In Defense of "Honkeys"

[cynsaligia]

two things that tick me off all too often:

1. people who are turning left off piikoi to get on lunalilo (is it lunalilo? or liholiho? i get them mixed up) so that they can go on the freeway, and in the process BLOCK THE INTERSECTION for the one lane that becomes two on the left side. i deal with this several times a week, and esp on weekends, this causes major traffic jams for those of us who live in that area and don't want to go on the freeway but want to get to pensacola street.

then again, i generally hate people who block intersections and i WILL drive up to your car and honk obnoxiously (but within what HRS allows) until ya frigggin move out da dang way, dangit! and i'll point at the sign that says "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION" to educate you on the error of your ways!

2. people who do not signal when switching lanes or turning. my feeling is if you can't flick your middle left finger to do something useful (versus just giving others the bird), then you shouldn't drive, and your middle finger should be cut off. i know--hammurabi-ish of me, but what the heck.


oh yeah--people who say "people that" versus "people who" but then again, if you're the kinda person who (1) blocks intersections and (2) doesn't signal then i suppose you get demoted to being a "that" versus a "who."

:D

[adrian]

2. people who do not signal when switching lanes or turning.


I feel your pain. However, I use a 5 second following distance, and I always scan my viewing area.

[tutusue]

[...]oh yeah--people who say "people that" versus "people who"[...]
Bingo!!! Altho' it's a pet peeve of mine rather than something that pi$$es me off. I make too many of my own grammatical errors to let other people that make errors anger me! :D

[craigwatanabe]

then again, i generally hate people who block intersections and i WILL drive up to your car and honk obnoxiously (but within what HRS allows) until ya frigggin move out da dang way, dangit! and i'll point at the sign that says "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION" to educate you on the error of your ways!

:D

Hey wait a minute. If he's blocking the intersection and then you drive up to honk at them, aren't the two of you now blocking an intersection?

Remember the HRS does indicate that you cannot enter an intersection unless it's clear or safe to enter. If someone's blocking it, you shouldn't be driving out into it either even if you do have a green light.

[cynsaligia]

But Sheesh I understand there are morons out there who don't know how to drive or read signs, but doing the incessant honking to prove their ignorance isn't helping the situation either. It's just pissing off Tufi in the Nofa that's blocking you out and pretty soon Braddah's gonna come out and show you how ignorant he really is.

Not worth it to engage in road rage. As we all know: This is Hawaii...slowwwww down. :)

Hey wait a minute. If he's blocking the intersection and then you drive up to honk at them, aren't the two of you now blocking an intersection?

Remember the HRS does indicate that you cannot enter an intersection unless it's clear or safe to enter. If someone's blocking it, you shouldn't be driving out into it either even if you do have a green light.

if tufi tries to show me how ignorant he really is, in the end, i'll make sure he has a criminal record and either an empty bank account or lien against any future earnings. and if he busts out a gun? well, that's still on him, not on me, and i would figure that God wanted to call me home that day.

as for the other--i've found that my purposeful and educational obnoxoius honking and pointing to the sign that says "DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION" makes them clear the way right quick. problem solved. i've even been applauded by the people behind me for doing it.

[craigwatanabe]

if tufi tries to show me how ignorant he really is, in the end, i'll make sure he has a criminal record and either an empty bank account or lien against any future earnings. and if he busts out a gun? well, that's still on him, not on me, and i would figure that God wanted to call me home that day.

as for the other--i've found that my purposeful and educational obnoxoius honking and pointing to the sign that says "DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION" makes them clear the way right quick. problem solved. i've even been applauded by the people behind me for doing it.

yeah...works in theory that is. Becoming obnoxious isn't part of the solution. When someone blocks an intersection I just tell myself that yes there is a God and he has a special place for braddah blocking the road ahead of me.

Cool head is what's needed during rush hour, not high blood pressure, life's too short to get sucked into someone elses problem.

[tutusue]

[...]Cool head is what's needed during rush hour, not high blood pressure, life's too short to get sucked into someone elses problem.
So true. With age comes wisdom! ;)

[craigwatanabe]

So true. With age comes wisdom! ;)

Eh wait a minute there! Just because junior at Jack in the Box offered me a senior coffee and AARP's been sending me applications for membership, I ain't that old...yet. I'm only 46 (soon to be 47 in a couple of weeks) but boy oh boy, living out here on the Big Island has sure made me slooooowwwww down and boy that Maile smells sooooo good as I drive to work on Volcano Highway every afternoon.:)

[cynsaligia]

yeah...works in theory that is. Becoming obnoxious isn't part of the solution. When someone blocks an intersection I just tell myself that yes there is a God and he has a special place for braddah blocking the road ahead of me.

Cool head is what's needed during rush hour, not high blood pressure, life's too short to get sucked into someone elses problem.

i find it works in reality just perfectly fine for me, thank you very much.

and god helps those who help themselves...so...thank you god, for giving me the desire to educate people about the error of their bad driving!

[craigwatanabe]

i find it works in reality just perfectly fine for me, thank you very much.

and god helps those who help themselves...so...thank you god, for giving me the desire to educate people about the error of their bad driving!

Being obnoxious works fine for you? Well that's your drift I guess. I'm just trying to warn you that one day that attitude will come back and bite you. Getting pissed off is one thing you control, but pissing off someone else to the point of getting out their car and decking you regardless of their consequense is another.

Unless you can defend yourself against all odds, I'd lay off the horn while in traffic. People in your vicinity may applaud you, but people not in your proximity may find you (and correctly so) obnoxious enough to take some form of action (whatever that may be) And that someone may be a police officer just waiting to cite you for whatever he wants.

Yeah drivers who block intersections do piss me off like they do to you, but quite honestly if their actions cause you to react then they got to you.

If it were me that accidently blocked an intersection (and we've all done it once before) and someone kept blaring their horn at me I'd simply roll up my windows and turn up NPR on my car radio. What more could you do to me other than to report me? What would you tell the 911 dispatcher: This guy is blocking the intersection and I'm incessently honking my horn obnoxiously to let him know that.

911 Operator: Police, Fire or Ambulance...

By that time the incident is over and if you weren't breathing up my tailpipe to let me know I'm blocking an intersection you'd be able to read my license plate.

Police dispatcher: What do you mean you can't read his license plate because you're too close, that means you're blocking the intersection as well. We'll send an officer down right away so he can cite both of you...it's the end of the month you know and we have a quota system.

Hey it could happen...technically.:) But not probably.

[tutusue]

Some good anti road rage, rather anger, advice above. The only reason I can come up with for impatient driving is a medical emergency. There are a lot of idiots on the road and there's nothing we can do about it except to allow extra time for their faux pas.

"Resentment is like taking poison and hoping the other guy dies." (Susan St. James)

[anapuni808]

I was in the car with my mother in SoCal some years ago & we got stuck behind a car that had stalled. An idiot pulled up behind us, started leaning on his horn because we didn't move when the light changed.

My mother very calmly got out of the car, walked back to the honker & politely told him "if you'll come up here & get the stalled vehicle started, I'll sit in your car & honk your horn for you". Well, needless to say - the man just got ticked off more, called her several rather colorful names then did a quick u-turn & peeled out in the other direction. Personally, I think she scared the stuff out of him by the confrontation - but, on the other hand, he could have just as easily pulled out a gun & shot her!

Road rage is so stupid - what difference does it make if you have to sit a few seconds or even minutes in traffic? Maybe the person causing the tie-up is having car problems, is sick, passed out - whatevers. I agree with Kimo - horn honking has no place here. and try looking at the people honking most of the horns - I don't think they're from around here ;)

[kimo55]

Being obnoxious works fine for you? Well that's your drift I guess. I'm just trying to warn you that one day that attitude will come back and bite you. Getting pissed off is one thing you control, but pissing off someone else to the point of getting out their car and decking you regardless of their consequense is another.

Unless you can defend yourself against all odds, I'd lay off the horn while in traffic.
horn honking has no place in Hawaii. take that back to the conus where it is standard way of saying: I am the center of the universe. I DO own the whole road and I will justify my impatience any way i wanna.

as well as it being a plain obnoxious move, it should not be an inducement to continue along these lines simply because you happen to have other like minded drivers behind you apparently applauding ( how IS that perceptible?!)
wanton honking is most emplhatically, illegal here. And in the states. (tho ask a cop why they don't pull over honkeys in el lay and they will say, then the road would be damn near empty!)
so i beseech you with as much aloha spit i mean spirit as I can muster; puleese, take it calm and easy on the island roads. If ya don't wanna think about others, how 'bout: drive with aloha; you yourself may feel better for it.
(and if you accidentally end up stuck in an intersection, maybe blocking it, cuz trafic stopped suddenly, or the light was too quick, here's hoping others will be mellow behind you too. cuz they prolly will be.
start early if you need to get somewhere at an appointed time.
"we" thank you in advance.

exatimo. I have seen this island's population "grow" far too fast the last few years. and two areas most hit by a couple maladies; horn honkingitis and an influx of people "not from here" is Kailua. And Hawaii Kai. And well, hate to tell ya; and it may be very surprising to ya, but in these two places mostly, there is an awful lot of impatient horn honking. By people who look "not from here"...

[LikaNui]

puleese, take it calm and easy on the island roads. Maybe we oughta clarify that just a wee bit. Don't take it too calm and easy, cuz while the tourists slow to a crawl to look at the pretty scenery, the rest of us are late to work!

[kimo55]

yea. nice and eazzzyyy braddaa. lah dees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76GZUPxGQjQ

[cynsaligia]

there is an awful lot of impatient horn honking. By people who look "not from here"...



horn honking has no place in Hawaii. take that back to the conus where it is standard way of saying: I am the center of the universe. I DO own the whole road and I will justify my impatience any way i wanna.

as well as it being a plain obnoxious move, it should not be an inducement to continue along these lines simply because you happen to have other like minded drivers behind you apparently applauding ( how IS that perceptible?!)
wanton honking is most emplhatically, illegal here. And in the states. (tho ask a cop why they don't pull over honkeys in el lay and they will say, then the road would be damn near empty!)
so i beseech you with as much aloha spit i mean spirit as I can muster; puleese, take it calm and easy on the island roads. If ya don't wanna think about others, how 'bout: drive with aloha; you yourself may feel better for it.
(and if you accidentally end up stuck in an intersection, maybe blocking it, cuz trafic stopped suddenly, or the light was too quick, here's hoping others will be mellow behind you too. cuz they prolly will be.
start early if you need to get somewhere at an appointed time.
"we" thank you in advance.

what countenance, pray tell, is the kind that "looks not from here"?

if a driver blocks the intersection, clearly, s/he was the first to be impatient, self-centered, and of the thought that s/he is the only one on the road. if you look at my initial post and read it carefully and with comprehension, i name a particular location, where if you're blocking the intersection, you're doing so for more than one lane of traffic. additionally, maat this intersection, many people rush the light or run it to get on the other side of the line.

driving with aloha includes not inconveniencing other drivers. so, in effect, by honking, i am actually spreading aloha not only by reminding the intersection driver of his/her lack of aloha, but also by attempting to clear the way for the other inconvenienced drivers behind me, who have, as i said, in turn shared their own aloha with me by applauding (which i saw once when i happened to glance in my rearview mirror).

i'm not perfect--i, too, have suddenly found myself blocking an intersection. but i've gotten out of the way very quickly. if you find yourself "accidentally" blocking the intersection, it's very rare that you can't move into another lane of traffic going the same direction you are (just not in the lane you prefer to be in) so that you are no longer blocking the intersection. if if have time to drive up to you when you're blocking an intersection, then you've not taken the time to move out of the way, which is an option for you many more times than not.

honking has no place in hawaii? then how come horns are a requirement in order to get your hawaii safety check?

while it may be obnoxious, my honking is not wanton. my honking is not arbitrary. my honking is judicious. my honking is educational. and my honking is legal. blocking the intersection is not.

by the way, if you're blocking the intersection and i drive up to you, of course there is no way i can see your license plate.

think about that one for a minute.

take longer if you need.

i'll add here another pet peeve--people who want to correct me about my pet peeve. especially if my pet peeve is about something that is clearly wrong in the first place! wasn't this a thread about pet peeves, where we were invited to post our, duh, pet peeves?

i am of the belief that in a thread like this specific one, true aloha spirit allows someone to post their pet peeve without having to suffer being told to go back to CONUS for it.

so...aloha spit? right back atcha, babe. right back at cha.

[kimo55]

...contemporary definition of aloha, courtesy of the local Lawyers union and Paralegals United for Verbal Obvuscation Department Of Redundancy Department.

my pet peeve?
the fact we don't have shows like Martin and Lewis anymore. But it ain't so bad now with this!

>what countenance, pray tell, is the kind that "looks not from here"?

the kind ya recognotice if yer from here.

>if a driver blocks the intersection, clearly, s/he was the first to be impatient,

He started it!

>if you look at my initial post and read it carefully and with comprehension,

how about if I look and read just with comprehension but NOT clearly?
or slightly clearly and with some comprehension? like maybe 50/50?

> by honking, i am actually spreading aloha

wheeee!
the HVCB aint got NUTTIN on this one!

> the other inconvenienced drivers who have shared their own aloha with me by applauding

the true spirit of Hawaii: hitting two palms together in rapid succession to elicit noise.

>i'm not perfect--i, too, have suddenly found myself blocking an intersection

I, too. But then I wake up. Musta been the chiles.

>but i've gotten out of the way very quickly if you find yourself "accidentally" blocking the intersection, it's very rare that you can't move into another lane of traffic going the same direction you are (just not in the lane you prefer to be in) so that you are no longer blocking the intersection. if if have time to drive up to you when you're blocking an intersection, then you've not taken the time to move out of the way, which is an option for you many more times than not.

uhhh. what was that middle part?

>honking has no place in hawaii? then how come horns are a requirement in order to get your hawaii safety check?

uuuhhhh. Eleven!
wait.
is this a trick question?

>my honking is educational.

wheeee! (part 2)

>by the way, if you're blocking the intersection and i drive up to you, of course there is no way i can see your license plate.

ok, all seriousness aside, tho it will be argued in three paragraphs that you yourself MUST tailgate and ride the bumper, a legal stop is one that allows the person behind to see the bottoms of the tires of the car in front. This of course will allow for full ocular proof of the licence plate of said car in front nothwithstanding the aforementioned limitation of the parametersaaaaagghhhh! ya got me doing it too!

>think about that one for a minute. take longer if you need.

I'm going to Europe, on this one.

>i'll add here another pet peeve--people who want to correct me about my pet peeve. especially if my pet peeve is about something that is clearly wrong in the first place!

while i gotcha here:
Do you like how they allude to you in Churches? or would you prefer a more nondenominational, less kingly, grandiose sounding epithet? do you really hear prayers? What does heaven look like? ok, the pearly gates... Is that a color, a finish or are they actually made of pearls?

> true aloha spirit allows someone to post their pet peeve without having to suffer being told to go back to CONUS for it.

You are not the only one suffering.

>right back atcha, babe. right back at cha.

I am NOT a babe
well, I may be. But I don't swing that way.

[cynsaligia]

I am NOT a babe
well, I may be. But I don't swing that way.where'd you go to school? punahou???!! (those of you who read this and know, know)

tsk tsk tsk, kimo. it took you TWENTY minutes to come up with this?

no wonder you're so vehement and blustery. if you're this slow and inept at coming up with a comprehesible retort, it's likely you're too slow to move out of the way when you've blocked the intersection.

you must have had a hard time with math word problems.

let me live some aloha and help ya out here.

if i am blocking the intersection, and you come up to me, to honk at me as an indication that i am in the way, then clearly, you are looking at the side of my vehicle.

where

there

is

no

license

plate!


i am kalihi born and raised, and am neither an attorney or paralegal. still no one needs to be 'from here' to 'recognotice' you for what you are.

here endeth the lessson.

thanks be to god!

[kimo55]

> kimo. it took you TWENTY minutes to come up with this?

thanks for waiting anxiously for my reply.
twenny minnits? yea ok, sounds good ta me.


> if you're this slow and inept at coming up with a comprehesible retort,

who sez I tried for comprehesible?


>it's likely you're too slow to move out of the way when you've blocked the intersection.

hmmmm...one follows the other I suppose in another universe.


>you must have had a hard time with math word problems.

hell, I dunno even what dat IS!


>let me live some aloha and help ya out here.

Nononoooo! I just showered!

[Leo Lakio]

honking has no place in hawaii? then how come horns are a requirement in order to get your hawaii safety check?It ain't about Hawai`i. Car horns are valuable tools for safety, not for expressing opinions.

[anapuni808]

i am kalihi born and raised, and am neither an attorney or paralegal. still no one needs to be 'from here' to 'recognotice' you for what you are.

You may have been born & raised in Kalihi - but you obviously didn't learn your manners & behaviour here. You are rude in your manner of speaking to others and obviously have anger problems when driving. Anyone who was around, say back in the `70's or so - will remember when you hardly ever heard a horn honk. It was considered rude to honk your horn at another driver - and yes, the honker was usually someone with "foreign" plates still on their car.

and before you can ask - no, I was not born here, not raised here, & did not go to Punahou. However, when I did come here at age 20, I was taught right away by my Hawaiian friends how to behave and what was the customary form of behaviour and what was considered good manners. I forget once in a while (like now) but it usually doesn't take long for me to remember my lessons.

Leo Lakio phrased it very well - There really isn't that much more to say about horns honking.

Now, can we please get this thread back to just "what pisses us off" instead of attacking each other? It was so delightfully self-centered before.

[cynsaligia]

first of all, let me start by saying that i hope i put this post in the right place. please move it if i didn't place it appropriately.

here is my original post that started some bitterness on the "what pisses you off thread"

two things that tick me off all too often:

1. people who are turning left off piikoi to get on lunalilo (is it lunalilo? or liholiho? i get them mixed up) so that they can go on the freeway, and in the process BLOCK THE INTERSECTION for the one lane that becomes two on the left side. i deal with this several times a week, and esp on weekends, this causes major traffic jams for those of us who live in that area and don't want to go on the freeway but want to get to pensacola street.

then again, i generally hate people who block intersections and i WILL drive up to your car and honk obnoxiously (but within what HRS allows) until ya frigggin move out da dang way, dangit! and i'll point at the sign that says "DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION" to educate you on the error of your ways!

2. people who do not signal when switching lanes or turning. my feeling is if you can't flick your middle left finger to do something useful (versus just giving others the bird), then you shouldn't drive, and your middle finger should be cut off. i know--hammurabi-ish of me, but what the heck.


oh yeah--people who say "people that" versus "people who" but then again, if you're the kinda person who (1) blocks intersections and (2) doesn't signal then i suppose you get demoted to being a "that" versus a "who."

:D

reactions to my post included the rather grandfatherly and officious advice to cool it because "tufi in the nofa" will be inclined to show me how truly ignorant he is (craigwatanabe, 01/03/2007). i was scolded repeatedly for what they called my road rage (craigwatanabe, ibid, and 01/10/07, seconded by tutusue on 01/10/2007, and so on). but there are other responses which floored me (starting with kimo55 on 01/13/2007).

what was ignored or perhaps not clear was the fact that this specific blocking of the intersection that i'm referring to happens constantly in MY neighborhood, just several blocks away from where i have resided for more than five years. to be clear, this is the intersection of piikoi and lunalilo street. the far left lanes on lunalilo after piikoi are meant either to go to the makiki post office or turn left onto pensacola from lunalilo, but these two lanes are often blocked by drivers turning left from piikoi who want to get on the freeway. intersection blockage here has become worse and worse over the years that i've lived in this neighborhood--enough that it's not a rare topic of discussion amongst my neighbors. it causes a domino effect of traffic in the area, because of the one way nature of lunalilo, pensacola, and piikoi. many of us who get stuck on lunalilo for more than three light cycles feel like we are held hostage by the selfish whims of those who block the intersection. we already have to deal with the fact that we can't get on the freeway going ewa bound during weekday mornings--we have to hop onto vineyard and then turn onto punchbowl to get to H-1. our trying to get on the freeway diamond head bound is similarly affected daily.

we've tried asking police for help, and sometimes, they do come out and enforce the law. there are already at least two signs saying "DO NOT BLOCK THE INTERSECTION." having to deal constantly with the obtuseness of other drivers (many of them having come from ala moana center and going to parts west--this we know because blockages increase during the mall's busy times), many of us are frustrated. so i, like others i know in my neighborhood, honk our horns and point to the signs that say, "DO NOT BLOCK THE INTERSECTION." we call it proactive citizens' enforcement.

i've seen other people react proactively to other constant traffic/parking problems in their own neighborhoods which are caused by non-neighbors, like liliha, kaimuki, and manoa.

as for the heated comments made in the thread in response to my original post, let me point out that i was not the one who initiated a personal attack, or made this about hawaii/conus or said anything about people being or looking like they are "not from here." i wasn't the one who brought god into it, and i certainly wasn't the one who tried to make some inexplicable sideways insult towards attorneys, paralegals or anyone of any ethnicity.

i defended my point of view, and when someone personally insulted me because of outlandishly wrong assumptions about me, i stood up for myself, and i have to say, i did quite well, using both logic and wit.

if someone attacked you personally, wouldn't you try to fight back in an effective manner?

to be clear...the punahou comment i made refers on several levels to the fact that kimo55 evidently wrongly assumed i was white or at least "not from here" (i'm mostly pinay, and as i said, am a kalihi girl) and that he couldn't grasp the logic that if i'm driving up to someone who is blocking the intersection, i can't see that person's license...and the fact that i'm an iolani grad (which is something i wrote in depth about in a thread about public/private schools).

i expect that in every online bulletin board or blog there are going to be trolls. i'm not naive about that. deduction led me to the conclusion that kimo55 is a troll or tends towards the troll-ish, and i dealt with him as i felt appropriate based on that deduction.

so let me ask this, after reading some responses from others of you:

i'm the one who lacks manners and (good) behavior?

i'm the one who is lacking aloha?

the truth of the matter is that i really don't have to prove anything to any one of you.

the truth of the matter is also that not a single one of you has to prove a damned thing to me or anyone else on here, either.

whatever your opinions are about honking or not honking are your opinions. shoot--you can have whatever opinions you want on anything you want--this is still a free country, as best as we can make it.

whatever your background is, in terms of ethnicity, place of origin (eg, hawaii or not), profession, etc really shouldn't matter, especially here on HT (if i understand the mission of HT correctly). certainly, commentary on whether i am "from here" or "not from here" or a "honkey" (pun apparently intended, but errant) or whether i am or anyone else an attorney or paralegal or whatever doesn't and shouldn't matter, and should not be commented on derogatorily.

check my posts. i may have disagreed with some people's post, and perhaps once or twice, i did so vehemently. more often than not, i've tried to be supportive or helpful or educational.

but never, never, never once in the entirety of all my 70 odd posts in HT have i attacked someone else's opinion or stance. never did i tell someone they didn't belong in hawaii. never did i say that someone was "not from here." never had i been without respect, until, as i said, someone attacked me personally.

i mean, i was even figuratively spat on in a post...while being chided for lack of aloha!

i hope that there are some of you who still welcome my presence on HT, because there are many of you whose posts i enjoy reading and responding to.

i will not change my opinion about my honking, especially in specific reference to blocking that particular intersection. i know i wasn't wrong for posting my thoughts about that. the point of the thread, after all, was to post our pet peeves, which is what i did.

nor am i one single bit sorry that i defended myself in the manner that i did.

still, somehow i am regretful. but it doesn't have much to do with how i conducted myself.

[kimo55]

dass alotta work there. this post was too much anal izing. whew.
I would just chill and enjoy life and not worry about traffic li dat.
k?

reminds me; some people would rather get even than get ahead.

let's get ahead of dis kukae.

a'ole pilikia
nuff arready.

[Miulang]

OK, now I have a question: is there an alternate route for you to get into your neighborhood? Because if it was me, I would avoid making left turns on streets where I know intersections will always be blocked by idiot drivers who should realize that blocking intersections is not only rude, but illegal. Driving anywhere is aggravating enough as it is, and with road rage being so prevalent everywhere (yes, even in Hawai'i) , sitting on your horn might result in dire physical consequences for you someday (remember, you don't "own" that street).

Or maybe your Streets Dept (or whoever controls the traffic signals) should make that left turn signal stay on longer during the morning and afternoon rush hours so more cars can make that left turn before the light changes to red. Of course, then everybody not wanting to make a left turn would get all huhu because they would then have to wait longer!:rolleyes:

Miulang

[anapuni808]

To start off - you are not the only one who lives in Makiki and is affected by the situation you've described. However, it used to be much worse - until the traffic flow was changed to prohibit certain turns & freeway entrances at that particular intersection. Maybe more corrective action needs to be taken. If you are unhappy about what goes on there - go talk to the neighborhood board or Councilman Tam's office. That is how you effect change. Your mild road rage doesn't help matters.

Secondly, I don't think anyone told you to leave town or accused you of being white. Yes, I did chide you about your manners and yes, I did call you rude. I don't plan to apologize for that either. Loud, honking horns are rude - to the nerves and to the ears. and sometimes that person blocking the intersection may be stuck behind other cars and can't move. So what's the point of the honking? It's like commenting to a fat person that they should go on a diet. Well, DUH - like they don't know already?

Most drivers see that sign - it isn't exactly hidden away! Maybe it's more an age thing - I'm old and you come across as somewhat young & impatient to get where you're going 10 minutes ago. What I think was being put out there was a message to just chill.

You're totally correct saying that you don't have to defend yourself. However, If you don't want to be put in that position - don't keep coming back to have the last word. Someone WILL respond to you every time. If you've said what you wanted to say - just let it go & move on to other topics. But, don't stop engaging people in discussions here - you more than held your own. and I for one want to read more of your postings. We won't always agree and I may say things to you that you don't appreciate - as you stated, we all have strong opinions on here. You are certainly entitled to criticize me - you won't be the first and I'm sure you won't be the last.

Now, moving on.......................:)

[Mike_Lowery]

*enters thread; immediately feels discomfort*

*exits thread*

[Leo Lakio]

Couple-a quick comments:if someone attacked you personally, wouldn't you try to fight back in an effective manner?Well, past experience has shown that flaming back and forth in an internet discussion group is far from effective.i hope that there are some of you who still welcome my presence on HT, because there are many of you whose posts i enjoy reading and responding to.Of course, Cyn. Just because someone disagrees with you on a particular topic doesn't mean they wish you ill will or want you gone.

Please, consider putting a lot less value on what we do and say here - HT is a very enjoyable activity, but you needn't let it stress you to this level. (Some would say that's how we off-islanders would react, not residents of Hawai`i!)

[kimo55]

reads post of mike describing his actions.. wonders... posts.
hits submit reply,
goes to get another beer.



uh mike. is this some new internet trend? it's dumb.


oh. sorry.
back on topic
uh.... honkey? ya don't HAVE to defend yerself.

[Mike_Lowery]

uh mike. is this some new internet trend? it's dumb.
oh. sorry.
back on topic
uh.... honkey? ya don't HAVE to defend yerself.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/thealmightymiranda/smileys/laugh.gif

[admin]

Ericncyn's new thread and the tangent in the original thread have been combined into this single "to honk or not to honk" thread, just in case folks aren't ready to hold hands and sing Kum-Ba-Yah just yet, or for whatever reason wish to again take up the topic of car horn use.

[kimo55]

a black spiritual song from the 20's
hmmm.
looks at Mike and asks. Mike, ya wanna hold hands and sing with..
Naah didn't think so.
turns on the simpsons.

[Marco]

I was raised not to honk my horn unless it was absolutely necessary. I don't remember who told me that. I guess I thought it was just understood that to do so was kinda rude. I do know that I hear choke complaints from tourists all the time about the situation described: someone blocking up the intersection. I jus laugh and tell them that's what all locals do. I don't even think it's a recent phenomena. It's just what we do :p

But then again, it does kinda suck. I'm a little surprised that Eric (who I guess is a local) is surprised by this, as it's been happening for as long as I remember. Anyways, I wouldn't get too pissed about the responses here, Eric. Everyones got their opinion on it, and what else is a message board for but to exchange/debate differing opinions.

[cezanne]

Stuff like that happens. It's when there's no effort to get out of the way that kinda irks me. Dunno if I would sit on my horn and make a big scene though...but that's just me.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

just reading this thread and finding it quite entertaining. I am reminded of the time when some lady was furious and pounding her horn and the truckdriver in front of her, committing whatever offense it was the the horn-honker was protesting, returned her ire in kind by whipping a doo-doo diaper onto her windshield/hood of her car.

The car was a late model Honda Civic. The truck was an older Mazda. Both drivers were young and female. And I couldn't stop laughing or recounting that tale for a good week.

[MixedPlateBroker]

horn honking has no place in Hawaii. take that back to the conus where it is standard way of saying: I am the center of the universe. ...

so i beseech you with as much aloha spit i mean spirit as I can muster; puleese, take it calm and easy on the island roads. ..."we" thank you in advance.

there is an awful lot of impatient horn honking. By people who look "not from here"...

Let me place myself in Ericncyn’s shoes. Or vehicle, as it were.

If Wikipedia (admittedly not the best source for Hawaiian etymology) is correct and the word aloha derives from the Hawaiian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language) words alo meaning "presence," "front," "face," or "share"; and ha, meaning "breath of life" or "essence of life,” then….

If I’m driving my vehicle, I’m using the public roadways to carry on the business of my life. This applies to the other well-meaning drivers on the road as well. If someone were to block the intersection of Piikoi and Lunalilo, they could be obstructing dozens of people from carrying on the business of their lives. Please note that an automotive horn comes under the classification as an emergency signaling device. An emergency signaling device by its very definition is designed to help preserve one’s life and/or the lives of others.

So when someone voluntarily decides to block the particular intersection Ericncyn refers to and does not move out of the way when their light turns red, not only are they breaking the law, they’re displaying their lack of aloha for other drivers they’re blocking. If I am at that intersection and take the initiative to honk at someone who is blocking me at the intersection in question not only am I using my emergency signaling device to “breathe” some life into their ears, but I’m also attempting to clear the way for other law-abiding drivers to pursue the business of their lives – spreading the aloha you could say. Such honking is legal in Hawaii as long as it is within the two minute limit allowed by law.

And if someone were to take so much offense at my attempt to spread aloha that they would attempt an assault on my person (can you say felony assault in addition to a moving violation?) in front of dozens of witnesses, I’d hope that Honolulu’s finest would spread their special version of aloha by riddling the intersection-blocking, aloha-quashing person’s body with the appropriate amount of 9mm hollowpoint expressions of aloha … or at least take them into custody so the perp might at least have an opportunity to contemplate the true meaning of aloha with some new buddies in jail.

Let me put it another way. Would you also object to my calling out for help if I saw a couple being robbed at knifepoint in an alley in Waikiki? Would my yells offend you by intruding on your selfish desire for quiet existence and popping your bubble of “aloha?” Perhaps you should contemplate the true meaning of aloha as you seem to confusing it with complacency and cowardice.

In case anyone is curious, my family’s lived several generations in Hauula, my grandfather spoke Hawaiian, my dad graduated Kahuku with Sam Choy, and have an uncle who is a cop, so let there not be any questions as to whether I am local.

[D'Alani]

...and what about all the cars, big rigs, tour buses, taxis, etc. that turn into the right lane only to cut into the left lane after Pensacola?:(

[kimo55]

>so let there not be any questions as to whether I am local.

there's still a question. ya sure don't sound local.


too many problems here.

ya use wikipedia to help define aloha.
haha.

you are redefining aloha
and
local

anyone acting like someone who enjoys and justifies to such a heavy verbose degree, the arrogant pushy driving style as illustrated in this thread... sure don't sound local. and for the past 50 some odd years here, the usual response to this kinda behaviour is; "shame, shame".

[hebeasor]

horn honking has no place in Hawaii. ...

I disagree. When a driver who is so distracted with his cell phone converstaton (another topic altogether) suddenly starts veering into my lane, I'll lean on my horn without regret. :mad:

[kimo55]

I disagree. When a driver who is so distracted with his cell phone converstaton (another topic altogether) suddenly starts veering into my lane, I'll lean on my horn without regret. :mad:

well that is quite obviously an exception
and obviously the point of the whole discussion does a whoosh her for ya.

[pzarquon]

When a driver who is so distracted with his cell phone converstaton (another topic altogether) suddenly starts veering into my lane, I'll lean on my horn without regret.I think there's a big difference between someone endangering your safety in a moving vehicle and someone stuck in an intersection. The horn is for safety and emergencies, and a blocked intersection and a couple of minutes of inconvenience does not, IMHO, qualify. A DWY (Driving While Yacking) weaving and venturing into your lane does.

On the other hand... while I wouldn't say horns are used for positive reasons as much as negative ones, I'm certain the ratio is higher in Hawaii than elsewhere. A ten-second pissed off honk is one thing, but a friendly toot-toot to let someone know it's safe to reverse out of a stall or cut in isn't something I'd object to very strenuously.
there's still a question. ya sure don't sound local.
And Kimo, just drop the personal sniping and your ridiculous "from here/not from here" localness litmus test... 'cause I know plenty of locals who lay on the horn now and then. They might not have the right attitude, or whatever measure you're trying to apply, but you (nor I) can hardly presume to define which mode of thinking is automatically assigned to "locals" -- whatever that means.

People in Hawaii don't have a lock on being gracious or considerate, nor on being obnoxious jerks. I don't care where someone is. Dumbass is as dumbass does, you know?

[kimo55]

And Kimo, just drop the personal sniping and your ridiculous "from here/not from here" localness litmus test... 'cause I know plenty of locals who lay on the horn now and then. They might not have the right attitude, or whatever measure you're trying to apply, but you (nor I) can hardly presume to define which mode of thinking is automatically assigned to "locals" -- whatever that means. People in Hawaii don't have a lock on being gracious or considerate, nor on being obnoxious jerks.

when i make an observation someone doesn't appear 'local" it obviously is a generalisation. "you don't act what is generally considered a local" as in what many perceive us to be here. and what for many decades we pride ourselve to live. and display. (of course the natural degredation of this, examples you point out, will be self evident in contemporary society, a result of many factors covered completely in other threads.)

When for example they say; "I just moved here and everyone is SOO nice and fulla aloha! Take it from someone that has been here for only a few weeks..... the people here are the nicest people I have ever met. I have been all over the world so I know the difference. I have met nothing but good hearted people and everyone is willing to help me and direct me in the right direction. I meet people everywhere I go and several things have happened to me in the last few weeks that made me question...wow... is this for real... because the actions of kindness of people here are just unreal and the best part is this place makes you a better person"

ya wanna tell those newbies, hey what're ya sayin? everyone on the conus is angry and grumpy? WE don't have a lock on niceness.

aaaahhh c'mon pzarq. yer better than that bulls#!t PC arguement.

[MixedPlateBroker]

>so let there not be any questions as to whether I am local.

there's still a question. ya sure don't sound local.
Weak braddah, weak. Take in the look in the mirror before you launch stones from your glass hale.


too many problems here.

ya use wikipedia to help define aloha.
haha.
Hahha. Yah. Figga bettah use some outside resources to help edumacate you. Lemme know if need flash cards.

you are redefining aloha
and
local
Nope. Jus helpin you out since you neva learn 'em right da firs time. No charge. Once again, das aloha, braddah.

anyone acting like someone who enjoys and justifies to such a heavy verbose degree, the arrogant pushy driving style as illustrated in this thread The only thing arrogant and pushy as far as driving styles in dis thread is someone who blocks the intersection and refuses to move out of the way when they easily can. Sounds like you're one of those no-aloha drivers and jus tryin to justify this illegal driving behavior. ... sure don't sound local. Actually, most of the people I've seen blocking the intersection look like they not from here. So you half right. Right on. and for the past 50 some odd years here, the usual response to this kinda behaviour is; "shame, shame". That intersection in question didn't exist 50 years ago ... same with most of the traffic. Ho brah, you didn't know that? Mebbe you da one not local. Howz da mirror?

Like I said before, don't confuse aloha with laziness and complacency. People who don't show aloha by helping out our braddahs and sistahs on the road by using legal means of discouraging illegal behaviour are just as bad as the perps. Might as well say, "Oh, I wouldn't leave a note one someone's windshield if I saw someone bang their parked car and dig out. 'Cause squealing isn't showing aloha." Blala please.

Hawaii has less "honkiness" than most other metros simply because we have fewer a-holes who would arrogantly block an intersection for their own convenience, among other illegal and/or pushy driving behaviors. If the little honking that goes on helps curb pushy driving behavior even further, then it's a bearable inconvenience. Who knows, the same a-hole you decide not to honk for blocking an intersection may feel like he can get away with anything and den go speeding on the freeway, crashing into your aunty's Corolla and killing her. So who does your perverted version of "lazy aloha" help then? If you too lazy to take some responsibility, or too scared of pissin off some batu head, jus call your kukae what it is ... kukae. Don't hide behind your "Drive Aloha" bumpah sticka and fake aloha.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King Jr.

[AbsolutChaos]

When people block intersections at rush hour here, I just remember an incident that happened earlier this year on McCully. It wasn't even rush hour, but I witnessed two cars obviously locked in a road rage battle around noon. They were switching lanes and blocking each other off. I don't know when it started, but there was no question that there was wreckless driving going on. To my surprise, when I got a look at the drivers, they were both older gentlemen, not teens or people who looked like inexperienced drivers. Finally at the Kapiolani light, I saw one driver get out of his car, walk up to the other car, reach his hand in the window, and start punching the guy repeatedly.

Yes, that was here in Hawaii. I didn't have my cell phone on me or I would have called the police. As it was, I'm hoping someone else did, as the drivers were blocking traffic and still fighting when the light turned green.

My point is that recalling this makes me a lot more patient about other drivers on the road. It also reminds me that none of us are perfect, a lot of us make mistakes, and when I see someone choosing to deliberately be selfish and block an intersection (or do it on accident), I choose to roll my eyes about it, not honk and call more attention to myself. I don't want to find myself punched in the face! ;)

[kimo55]

I choose to roll my eyes about it, not honk and call more attention to myself. I don't want to find myself punched in the face! ;)

i choose to not honk, not to avoid punches, but (and this may be an anomaly,) I just seem to have more patience and time, and a tendency to wanna allow people to exhibit human foibles, as I would hope they allow me mine, than a need to make noise and push and exhibit road manners in diametrical opposition to the way I was raised.

[PoiBoy]

Laid back locals? Road rage...internet rage...too much rage if you ask me. :D

[Pua'i Mana'o]

i choose to not honk, not to avoid punches, but (and this may be an anomaly,) I just seem to have more patience and time, and a tendency to wanna allow people to exhibit human foibles, as I would hope they allow me mine, than a need to make noise and push and exhibit road manners in diametrical opposition to the way I was raised.

kaaaaaako'o! beautifully stated, Kimo.

[craigwatanabe]

i'm the one who lacks manners and (good) behavior?

i'm the one who is lacking aloha?

Yes you don't need to prove to anyone of us but you just did. Nobody ignored your original concern of people blocking intersections, I think I did say twice that I agree with you that those people are really bad, BUT becoming part of the problem by what you indicated makes you a target for what pisses other people off and suddenly the focus is on you and not the ignorant slut blocking the intersection.

You call it a scolding, I call it a warning. I take it you cannot take constructive criticism because most of us here agree that your actions are equally pissy yet you defend yourself believing there is nothing wrong with what you imply. It's obvious your view is not the popular one to heed.

My warning is a simple one from one poster (myself) to you as a concerned person that your actions on the road eventually will result in someone with less smarts than you will take the emotional route and educate you with his bare hands or some sort of lethal weapon.

Hey if I didn't care about your safety, I wouldn't keep warning you about CONSEQUENCES. Like I said before to Timkona: Sometimes your worst enemy can be your best friend.

Blocking intersections is a pet peeve of yours, it's all of ours, but it's how we digest this incident and keep it that asshole's problem and not yours is the difference in how we make it less pissy to each of us. It bugs you it bugs me, but I won't get punched in the face by Tufi one day, you on the other hand is just asking for it. I intend to keep Tufi from tuning your okole by my warning.

Friends? Hey if I didn't care, I'd be selling tickets to that brawl on Piikoi and Lunalilo and making money off of your pain.

And to all of us here, we're all friends here and have been the subject of being flamed but we come back because you can lose that spouse but one's greatest assets are their friends.

<group hug>:)

And you notice this thread has developed it's own Title. Thanks Admin for keeping this one alive.

[cynsaligia]

latest update on my honking against those who block intersections:

today, the beau was driving me downtown in afternoon traffic. we were approaching the beretania/pali-bishop intersection when--surprise, surprise--five cars, on a yellow, purposely squeezed their way across from the diamond head side of beretania. while most of those drivers worriedly scrambled to try to unclog the blockage they caused, one driver insisted on sticking out, preventing the two rightmost lanes of pali-bishop from moving. we were in the second lane to the right.

for some serendipitous reason, eric had left the walmart special hand horn-y thing in the car. i gave the driver of the blocking car a good three seconds to reconsider her lack of movement and switch lanes so that we could go forward. my brief leniency did no good, so i picked up the horn-y thing, pointed it right at her open window, and let her have it with a good, loud, satisfying BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT of a honk.

hmmm. i should mention that she was putting on mascara whilst she was blocking traffic??!!

i'm glad some of the mascara ended up on her cheek.

doubt she'll be blocking traffic like that again.

:D

[Leo Lakio]

Best reason for reviving a dead thread - for a funny story.

[pzarquon]

Here we go again.

Funny story... since it was a hapless female driver with mascara issues. Probably would've been funny (or even likely) with an amped up muscle-bound dude who just got dumped by his girlfriend.

Have your fun, play your games, but you might not always have the last laugh.

[Pomai]

The only time I honk my horn is when:

Someone is about to hit my me backing out in a parking lot (that saved me from a collision several times)
Someone is about to merge into my lane (without looking or paying attention) and hit me (again, prevented an accident)
Someone is sitting in front of me at a traffic light on a green signal and doesn't go after, say about 10 seconds (usually on their cellphone :mad:).
...and that doesn't happen very often.

Unlike say, New York or the Philippines, most Hawaii locals are conservative about using their horn, and with that, sometimes translate the use of it as someone telling them the F-word in one context or another. With that, as Craig pointed out, horn-honking can instigate a roadrage incident, such as someone throwing a doo-doo daiper at your windshield, as Puai witnessed. :eek: :D

My girlfriend is from laid-back Maui, yet she honks her horn at drivers in Honolulu more than I feel comfortable with, which I get on her case about and attempt to stop her if I see her about to honk at what's nothing more than just a frustrated reaction.

[Leo Lakio]

Hey, Cyn --- I guess people (myself included, last time) feel they didn't give you enough heat for honking your horn at a blocked intersection last time; looks like there's more to come.

Hope you put up your heat shields before choosing to revive the thread.

[timkona]

I always honk when somebody, who thinks they are driving with Aloha, comes to a stop in the middle of a green light intersection, to let somebody merge in from the right.

I always honk when I see a ciggy butt (or any other litter) come flying out of a window.

And if you pass me on a double yellow line, in 5 mph, stop & go traffic, then I will honk at you until you are no longer in front of me, or I have goaded you into a road rage performance.

"Evil men, and good lawyers, know that Self-Defense is an airtight excuse."

[oceanpacific]

I keep my honks to short beeps, not long blaring blasts.

[pzarquon]

Horn honks can be friendly in intent. I've toot-tooted folks who fail to notice a green light for example. And yeah, I've gotten beeped at myself. A chagrined wave and a smile is generally all that follows.

An air horn in the face? Making friends is definitely not the intent.

Life's too short. And I say this having once been a serious road rager. I'm doing a fine enough job shortening my life on my own without wasting time and taking risks with other people's stupidity.

[anapuni808]

I guess when I made the remark some time ago about the "honkeys" being "not from here", I should have added that the word "haole" does not always mean someone who is white or a newcomer. Its also a description of behaviour.

and - someone who gets so impatient that they will use an airhorn in someone's face is just hopeless. The corner of Beretania/Pali/Bishop Sts. is the site of 2 major condo construction sites. If you must be impatient - then just don't try that intersection for the next couple of months. I go through that intersection every morning on the bus - sometimes the traffic causes the bus to miss the light. Big F*****G deal! If you insist of being there - expect delays. Expect folks to not always be fast, like on the continent.

and for "whoevers" sake, get a life! If you are delayed a few minutes with someone putting on mascara - it's not the end of the world!! It's just not that important. Maybe she was putting on mascara because she was stuck in traffic. Ending the war in Iraq, ending world hunger? those are important. Being stuck in traffic for a few minutes is a very manini problem - not the end of the world. and not worth the anger you seem to exude when confronted with others who may not be as smart or quick as you are. Your pet peeve, anger, rage - whatever you want to call it is just wasted on these minor traffic situations.

[joshuatree]

I guess when I made the remark some time ago about the "honkeys" being "not from here", I should have added that the word "haole" does not always mean someone who is white or a newcomer. Its also a description of behaviour.

and - someone who gets so impatient that they will use an airhorn in someone's face is just hopeless. The corner of Beretania/Pali/Bishop Sts. is the site of 2 major condo construction sites. If you must be impatient - then just don't try that intersection for the next couple of months. I go through that intersection every morning on the bus - sometimes the traffic causes the bus to miss the light. Big F*****G deal! If you insist of being there - expect delays. Expect folks to not always be fast, like on the continent.

and for "whoevers" sake, get a life! If you are delayed a few minutes with someone putting on mascara - it's not the end of the world!! It's just not that important. Maybe she was putting on mascara because she was stuck in traffic. Ending the war in Iraq, ending world hunger? those are important. Being stuck in traffic for a few minutes is a very manini problem - not the end of the world. and not worth the anger you seem to exude when confronted with others who may not be as smart or quick as you are. Your pet peeve, anger, rage - whatever you want to call it is just wasted on these minor traffic situations.

I'm surprised at the amount of heat ericncyn is getting. Unless I misread the story, the mascara lady on purposely squeezed herself across the intersection knowing the light was turning yellow and also knowing she be stuck out in the middle of the intersection blocking cross traffic. You know that's an actual traffic violation right? It is people like this that cause accidents. At least the other perpetrators tried to change lanes to squeeze themselves past the intersection markers according to ericncyn. So are you saying mascara lady did not deserve a honk? Guess the only real question is, was using the air horn a little overkill? Personally, I think it was a little deserving on the mascara lady's end. People who are driving shouldn't be doing anything but driving. All too often, we see people putting on makeup, shaving, etc. Cell phone I'm iffy, depends if you got a head set or not. Mascara lady was committing two infractions, purposefully and selfishly blocking traffic, and not giving devoted attention to the wheel.

[Keanu]

First of all, I'll admit that the Piikoi /Lunalilo intersection is notorious for being blocked by inconsiderate assclowns turning left onto Lunalilo from Piikoi. This makes it very annoying for people who want to turn into the Makiki Post Office or left onto Pensacola street so I can relate to Cyn's frustrations. To avoid getting pissed off by dumb drivers, I usually take Wilder to Pensacola and avoid that stupid intersection all together.

As far as horn usage is concerned, I echo Poiboy's sentiments. I refrain from using the horn. I think it's rude and inconsiderate. Just because somebody else is being an ass, doesn't mean you have to be one as well.The Air horn is kinda over the top.

There are people I know who would put their foot through the windshields of cars who toot. Toot with caution people and if you look too white or have out of state plates on your car, don't toot at all unless you are ready to throw down on the street.

[Miulang]

I know the title of this thread was meant to be humorous, but perhaps it should have been titled "In defense of honkers"? Might as well start from now...

honkey (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=honkey)

honker (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&defl=en&q=define:honker&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title)

;)

Miulang

[Leo Lakio]

honkey (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=honkey)
Gotta love definition #7:
When the white man came to get a slave in the old days, he would drive up in his truck and signal the slave owner by honking his horn, thus the slaves would call them 'honkey'. White people are not offended by this term.

Imus got himself a new job already?:p

[cynsaligia]

naaaah, no need for shields. if anything, the criticism i got made me rethink my habit of judicious, educational honking and i've become more convinced i am doing the right thing. in fact, i see the honking i do as not only judicious and educational (albeit sometimes obnoxiously harsh) but also as a protest against the social malaise that crucifies people who honk while allowing selfish and even dangerous drivers to believe that their driving habits are completely acceptable. in my opinion, if you're the kinda person who purposely blocks an intersection while applying beauty products, you're the same kinda person who won't get out of the way when an ambulance approaches.

that certain people here imply i would deserve possibly getting beat up by some enraged dum-uff says more about them than it does about me (declaring self defense evil could lead me to believe said declarant to be the kind of person who thinks a battered woman who kills her beater is a cold-hearted murderer or that a woman who wears a short skirt deserves rape).

anyway, another honking story, fresh from this morning at about seven thirty:

the beau and i were on the freeway in the rightmost lane, heading towards downtown, approaching the university onramp. we noticed a ricer rounding the onramp, speeding and not signalling as he approached what should have been a yield.

of course, he didn't yield, but tried to blow past us, either with the arrogant and/or ignorant expectation that we would yield to him or switch lanes.

of course, we honked.

long. loudly.

we didn't fully switch lanes to avoid the collision even though we could have, but stayed just close enough just to let the ricer fully understand his the possible repercussions of his actions.

and we simultaneously gave him the gift of the middle finger.

one more lesson taught, as evidenced by the ricer's dramatic slowing down. cause sometimes people need more than a friendly toot. ;)