How many prior arrests does it take...

[LikaNui]

How many prior arrests does it take before they remove the scum off the streets?!?
Reading the Windward supplement in today's MidWeek, I noticed something in the Police Beat section -- two people arrested for breaking into cars, and the two had 25 and 31 prior arrests. That's fairly upsetting, although I've seen numbers higher than that. However, the article went on to say that another person arrested in the same case had... (are you sitting down?)... 210 prior arrests!!! Yes, two-hundred and ten.
Why the hell don't we have a "three strikes" law?

[PoiBoy]

[QUOTE]How many prior arrests does it take before they remove the scum off the streets?!?
Reading the Windward supplement in today's MidWeek, I noticed something in the Police Beat section -- two people arrested for breaking into cars, and the two had 25 and 31 prior arrests. That's fairly upsetting, although I've seen numbers higher than that. However, the article went on to say that another person arrested in the same case had... (are you sitting down?)... 210 prior arrests!!! Yes, two-hundred and ten.

Breaking into cars? How about breaking into a nation and stealing it?
I'm with you...life sentences. :D

On a serious note: I would assume that there is an underlying issue such as "drug addiction". This doesn't justify that persons actions...but I try to look at from a different perspective. He should be locked up for a couple years...and he can kick his habit there.

Why the hell don't we have a "three strikes" law?
For a good reason. Wouldn't want someone to get "a life" sentence for getting into 3 fights. Or even lesser crimes. Each case should be handled individually. But in some cases people never learn but I wouldn't want to be the judge of who is able to "rehabilitate" and "who is going to prison for life"

[cynsaligia]

How many prior arrests does it take before they remove the scum off the streets?!?


i'd asked myself this question, too. the ex, before i came along, had been arrested for hitting his then-gf (lest you ask, i didn't know about this arrest before he and i had gotten involved and i foolishly fell "in love"). despite the fact that her dad was a cop, he was able to DANGP as long as he took anger management and stayed out of trouble for a spell.

during our too-long time together, he choked me til passing out and broke two of my ribs. he got four months for that, but that was only bcs his mom and dad weren't around to make bail. then he got five years probation plus anger management.

his next gf, along with the usual kicking, punching, and choking, got her face slammed into the kitchen table several times. luckily for her, she didn't have any broken bones but still.

the ex only had a week in jail, more probation, more anger management. a year later, he was allowed to work on a cruise line and has since moved to europe.

nice, huh?

[timkona]

You must understand the term "Restorative Justice" in order to comprehend why your old BF is gettin away with all that crap.

It's a Liberal term that basically says that "wife-beaters" and "child-molesters" and other villains should be "counseled" in order that they can be cured.

In America, Doctors take care of villains, while the police are in charge of drug addiction. Very bass-ackwards.

[PoiBoy]

You must understand the term "Restorative Justice" in order to comprehend why your old BF is gettin away with all that crap.

It's a Liberal term that basically says that "wife-beaters" and "child-molesters" and other villains should be "counseled" in order that they can be cured.



I don't think "wife-beaters" and "child-molesters" should used in the same context. :rolleyes:

"habitual wife-beaters" should serve some time. "Child molesters" should be put to death.

ericncyn-I think your ex-boyfriends judge should be doing some time.

[buzz1941]

another person arrested in the same case had... (are you sitting down?)... 210 prior arrests!!! Yes, two-hundred and ten.

There really aren't that many criminals on the street. The ones that are there are working overtime.

[timkona]

Well PoiBoy, perhaps those two words should not be used in the same context, but I was trying to point out the inherent lunacy in the notion of "Restorative Justice".

I may not agree with all the time, but we are certainly on the same page in this particular thread. Hat's off to ya........Cheers Mate.;)

[LikaNui]

From today's Advertiser at this link (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/07/br/br9840573162.html), we find this:

"A 46-year-old Wai'anae man was arrested at the Pearlridge Shopping Center about 3:10 yesterday afternoon after a loss-prevention officer allegedly saw him taking items from one of the stores without paying for them. A struggle ensued, but the security officer was able to subdue the man, police said.
"Officers arrived at the shopping center and arrested the man, who has 80 prior arrests and who is currently on felony probation, on suspicion of second-degree robbery."

:mad:

[PoiBoy]

I'm curious....What are you prepared to do about it LikaNui ? Do you still stand by the 3 strikes law?

[Miulang]

I'm curious....What are you prepared to do about it LikaNui ? Do you still stand by the 3 strikes law?
Maybe not throw him in da calaboose (which is already overcrowded) but at least make him wear a GPS cuff on his ankle so the cops can monitor where he is at all times. I doubt any kind of rehabilitation would work on somebody who insists he is above the law that way (or maybe he's just a kleptomaniac) and just locking him up only costs money. So maybe tell him next time he messes up, he will be shot on sight to save the taxpayers some money!:p

Miulang

[PoiBoy]

I was hoping LikaNui would put on a cape, tight spandex, and a mask....then rid the world of all the petty evil doers. :D I would be rooting for him. :D

[tutusue]

I was hoping LikaNui would put on a cape, tight spandex, and a mask....[...]
Me, too! Ooooowheeeeee, baby! <pant><pant>
:D

[LikaNui]

From a story at this link (http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070209/NEWS01/702090358/1001) in today's Advertiser:

"Honolulu police are accusing two convicted felons of stealing copper wire from a series of light poles and darkening a stretch of H-2 Freeway near the Wai'anae off-ramp.
(...)
"Bryan has 64 prior arrests and 10 total convictions and Seyler has 104 prior arrests and 45 total convictions."
:mad:

[timkona]

First of all, prisons would be a lot less expensive if the ACLU/Liberalism would stop crying poor-mouth for prisoners. PRISONERS DO NOT NEED BLANKETS, CLOTHING, SHOES, HOT FOOD, TELEVISION, WEIGHT ROOMS, LIBRARIES, REHAB, COUNSELING, ETC, ETC. A prisoner simply needs a soft place to lay down (some hay in a burlap sack), a bowl of multi-nourish mush (Soylent Green), access to drinking water, a sewer hole for sanitation, and a temperature controlled environment (about 75 degrees). Beyond that, you're just wasting money.

Jail should be so FN bad that it should be its' own deterrent.

2 Poi Boy - If 3 fights won't do, how about 4? 6? 36? 247? ....... glurg :cool:

2 Miulang - GPS, monitor, rehab, guards, psychologists, money, money, money, money, money, money, money ....... glurg :rolleyes: . I can tell that you, like most liberals, applaud the notion of "restorative justice", without regard to cost.

Dang, I'm surly this morning. But morons are attacking me from every side, including my telephone.

[Miulang]

2 Miulang - GPS, monitor, rehab, guards, psychologists, money, money, money, money, money, money, money ....... glurg :rolleyes: . I can tell that you, like most liberals, applaud the notion of "restorative justice", without regard to cost.

Prison should be where hardened criminals (murderers and pedophiles) are kept. There's no room for criminals convicted of lesser offenses, particularly if they involve property crimes. But you still should be able to keep track of them. I wonder if you realize, TK, that a goodly number of Hawai'i prisoners are being shipped to CONUS because there's no room in Hawai'i facilities because drug users, etc. are also being incarcerated? How much do you think it's costing the state every year to do that?

You obviously have not seen posts where I've said that there's nothing wrong with "tough justice" like that sheriff in AZ uses in his jail (pink underwear, loaves of "health meatloaf" and work on chain gangs) as ways for criminals to repay society.:rolleyes:

Miulang

[alohabear]

Why the hell don't we have a "three strikes" law?

Because Hawaii is full of liberals, It's as simple as that.
When I was a child we were taught "shame" Nowdays the kid are taught "that's alright no' shame". Bring back the good ol' family values and problems will be less. Da keiki act naughty ...give dem lickin's.

[Leo Lakio]

First of all, prisons would be a lot less expensive if the ACLU/Liberalism would stop crying poor-mouth for prisoners.Because Hawaii is full of liberals, It's as simple as that.Is there something in the water supply on Hawai`i Island...?

Tim is right about the twisted logic of some people - especially those who can find a way to link EVERY damn issue to "it's the fault of the liberals/conservatives/middle of the roaders/people who won't take a stand/f'in haoles/kanakas/mainlanders/libertarians/fundamentalists/terrorists/administration members/BOE/homeless/Lemurians/immigrants/any entire class of beings, as if every member of that group thinks like every other member of that group."

Weakest, whiniest argument in the world, and it takes no mental talent to fall back upon it so often. (There, Tim - you can count me among the morons who are adding to the enjoyment of your day; I still respect you, though.)

[1stwahine]

Is there something in the water supply on Hawai`i Island...?

Tim is right about the twisted logic of some people - especially those who can find a way to link EVERY damn issue to "it's the fault of the liberals/conservatives/middle of the roaders/people who won't take a stand/f'in haoles/kanakas/mainlanders/libertarians/fundamentalists/terrorists/administration members/BOE/homeless/Lemurians/immigrants/any entire class of beings, as if every member of that group thinks like every other member of that group."


Hey! I'm in that GROUP too....I not going say which one. :p heheheh

Auntie Lynn

[Leo Lakio]

Hey! I'm in that GROUP too....I not going say which one. :p hehehehBeware the WHACK-WHACK terrorist...:D

[LikaNui]

"Bryan has 64 prior arrests and 10 total convictions and Seyler has 104 prior arrests and 45 total convictions."
:mad: And Gary Sprinkle just reported (on the 5pm newscast) that both men were released by the judge today on a bail of $1,000. Yes. A measly one thousand bucks. :mad:
Given the records of those two career criminals, I'd have added another comma and another three zeros to the figure.
:cool:

[alohabear]

And Gary Sprinkle just reported (on the 5pm newscast) that both men were released by the judge today on a bail of $1,000. Yes. A measly one thousand bucks. :mad:
Given the records of those two career criminals, I'd have added another comma and another three zeros to the figure.
:cool:They nevah need call the DOG for that little money:p Auwe!

[GeckoGeek]

I wonder if you realize, TK, that a goodly number of Hawai'i prisoners are being shipped to CONUS because there's no room in Hawai'i facilities because drug users, etc. are also being incarcerated? How much do you think it's costing the state every year to do that?

I thought part of the reason we were sending them out was because it was cheaper. Secondly, how much is it going to cost the taxpayer to fix the damage these two clowns did? In this case, I think it may be cheaper to keep them behind bars.

[Miulang]

I thought part of the reason we were sending them out was because it was cheaper. Secondly, how much is it going to cost the taxpayer to fix the damage these two clowns did? In this case, I think it may be cheaper to keep them behind bars.
According to this Advertiser story today, it IS cheaper to house Hawai'i's prisoners (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070210/NEWS02/702100348) on CONUS, but the more alarming thing is that more than HALF of Hawai'i's prisoners are shipped off island!:eek:

The state Department of Public Safety statistics show it costs state taxpayers almost twice as much to hold women prisoners in Hawai'i as holding them in privately run prisons on the Mainland.

The department calculates it costs the state about $117 per day to hold a woman inmate at the Women's Community Correctional Center in Kailua, and $104 per day to hold a male inmate inmate at Halawa Correctional Facility.

By comparison, it costs about $62 per day to hold the same prisoners on the Mainland, according to the department.

At the end of January, the state was holding 2,115 prisoners on the Mainland, which is about 58 percent of the state's total prison population.



Wouldn't it be more cost effective to try to fix the root causes of the problem than to pretend the problem doesn't exist because you can't see the prisoners???

Miulang

[GeckoGeek]

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to try to fix the root causes of the problem than to pretend the problem doesn't exist because you can't see the prisoners???

*Sigh* OK, I'll bite. What is the "root cause"? I'm sure some will point to the educational system, or some social ill such as the gap between the wealthy and the poor or whatever social cause is the one they work for. Personally I think it has to do more with lack of parenting.

Whatever it is, it will take time to trickle down to tomorrow's adults. In the meantime, we've got to deal with these one-man crime waves and the only answer that seems to work for them is to lock them out of society.

[timkona]

Miulang, I was not aware that you oppose the War on Drugs. Good on ya. Prisons are full of medical problems that America chooses to solve with criminal solutions. Might as well let cops perform heart surgery.

I humbly ask your apology while basking in the glow of your brilliance.

[Mike_Lowery]

I oppose 3 strikes laws. they're inconsistent and unequal. Look at how many offenders are given life sentences for "lesser" crimes while others get life sentences for more serious crimes. it's like equating rape with terrorism (although both are horrible crimes).

[Miulang]

*Sigh* OK, I'll bite. What is the "root cause"? I'm sure some will point to the educational system, or some social ill such as the gap between the wealthy and the poor or whatever social cause is the one they work for. Personally I think it has to do more with lack of parenting.

Whatever it is, it will take time to trickle down to tomorrow's adults. In the meantime, we've got to deal with these one-man crime waves and the only answer that seems to work for them is to lock them out of society.
I hope you were asking a rhetorical question, Gecko, because I think you answered your own question!;)

Or put another way, because there aren't enough spaces for all the people who are convicted of crimes which require incarceration, would you prefer to jail someone who breaks into houses or a child molester or a murderer or a rapist if you only had one more open space in OCCC?

Miulang

[timkona]

One more "space" in OCCC. ??

Seems to me the prisons could be a LOT more crowded and run with a lot less money. But the rights groups won't allow such inhumane treatment of criminals. :cool:

The solution is not more prisons. The solution is to lighten the scope of laws that sometimes put undeserving people into prison, most especially on the manini crime scenarios ie drug use, prostitution, etc. The savings from a judicial point of view alone would be staggering.

[craigwatanabe]

would you prefer to jail someone who breaks into houses or a child molester or a murderer or a rapist if you only had one more open space in OCCC?

Miulang


I think you should put all the petty theft criminals that have children with the child molesters and rapists in one cramped room and encorporate the Darwin Theory of Survival. Then make a reality TV show and use the advertising monies for awareness and councelling programs.

But then my pig hunter friends tell me the cost of a single bullet is far cheaper than a lifetime of incarceration. I told him if they were the firing squad they could write off their guns and ammo on their taxes.

These buggahs would volunteer in a heartbeat as they are former Vietnam vets that didn't get enough post war trauma councelling and love to hunt pigs.

But then again we are humanists right, spare the rod spoil the child. Thank you Mr. Spock.

So maybe we should put all the prisoners in our delapidated public school rooms and die from heat exhaustion and let the kids eat free in the prison cafeterias.

I think it's high time to get tough with prisoners and make all jail sentences Hard labor intensive.

[Miulang]

I think you should put all the petty theft criminals that have children with the child molesters and rapists in one cramped room and encorporate the Darwin Theory of Survival. Then make a reality TV show and use the advertising monies for awareness and councelling programs.

But then my pig hunter friends tell me the cost of a single bullet is far cheaper than a lifetime of incarceration. I told him if they were the firing squad they could write off their guns and ammo on their taxes.

These buggahs would volunteer in a heartbeat as they are former Vietnam vets that didn't get enough post war trauma councelling and love to hunt pigs.

But then again we are humanists right, spare the rod spoil the child. Thank you Mr. Spock.

So maybe we should put all the prisoners in our delapidated public school rooms and die from heat exhaustion and let the kids eat free in the prison cafeterias.

I think it's high time to get tough with prisoners and make all jail sentences Hard labor intensive.

I was kinda thinking the same thing, but I didn't want Tim to think I wasn't one of "those" liberals anymore!:D

Miulang

[Pua'i Mana'o]

How many of you have seen the inside of Halawa prison?

I have.

It is a medium and maximum security facility. If you are sentenced to six months or more, you go to Halawa.

Nothing there is soft. All cement. The ground, the chairs, the beds are cement with a thin mattress pad on top. No soft place to rest.

The worst lickens I've seen was a guy being taken to the infirmary after recieving a beatdown (I never knew why). The lump on his neck looked like a tumor; somebody stepped on the side of his throat when he was down.

Library privileges must be earned. If you saw what I saw, there was a young guy who had earphones on his ears negotiating Dr Seuss' Hop On Pop. It is the only place in the whole facility that prisoners are allowed to go into that's carpeted. Again, not every prisoner is allowed into the library.

On the max security side, the guys are in a small cell. They are allowed no more than two books at a time, if that. They are in their room 23 hrs/day, and that hr that they are allowed into the max security courtyard is never known before hand (one day it might be 2pm, the next 2am). In that courtyard (pure cement and gray), they are allowed to play with one rubber ball--the little 1" guy that kids use for playing jacks, and zings all around. That's their hour of exercise and activity.

The idea that jail is a cozy place to chill is a myth. The idea that one can be rehabilitated inside is also a myth. Prisoners either a)still possess the mental/emotional faculties to be scared out of ever, ever going back in or b)don't possess such abilities and re-f*ck up and revolve in. In my family, I have both sorts of relatives. And if I had my way, I would make all teens tour those facilities and scare them young while they still have hope.

I thank God for that tour. I will never, ever forget Halawa prison.

[LikaNui]

But then again we are humanists right, spare the rod spoil the child. Thank you Mr. Spock. Um, Craig... you mean Dr. Spock? I think Mr. Spock was the one on Star Trek, and Dr. Spock was the kid doc. :p

[craigwatanabe]

Um, Craig... you mean Dr. Spock? I think Mr. Spock was the one on Star Trek, and Dr. Spock was the kid doc. :p

Um...yeah I knew him before he got his PhD...yeah right that's the ticket...he'll always be mister to me, you know we're casual with each other...yeah right casual...that's the word I was tinking.:D

[craigwatanabe]

How many of you have seen the inside of Halawa prison?

I have.

It is a medium and maximum security facility. If you are sentenced to six months or more, you go to Halawa.

Nothing there is soft. All cement. The ground, the chairs, the beds are cement with a thin mattress pad on top. No soft place to rest.

The worst lickens I've seen was a guy being taken to the infirmary after recieving a beatdown (I never knew why). The lump on his neck looked like a tumor; somebody stepped on the side of his throat when he was down.

Library privileges must be earned. If you saw what I saw, there was a young guy who had earphones on his ears negotiating Dr Seuss' Hop On Pop. It is the only place in the whole facility that prisoners are allowed to go into that's carpeted. Again, not every prisoner is allowed into the library.

On the max security side, the guys are in a small cell. They are allowed no more than two books at a time, if that. They are in their room 23 hrs/day, and that hr that they are allowed into the max security courtyard is never known before hand (one day it might be 2pm, the next 2am). In that courtyard (pure cement and gray), they are allowed to play with one rubber ball--the little 1" guy that kids use for playing jacks, and zings all around. That's their hour of exercise and activity.

The idea that jail is a cozy place to chill is a myth. The idea that one can be rehabilitated inside is also a myth. Prisoners either a)still possess the mental/emotional faculties to be scared out of ever, ever going back in or b)don't possess such abilities and re-f*ck up and revolve in. In my family, I have both sorts of relatives. And if I had my way, I would make all teens tour those facilities and scare them young while they still have hope.

I thank God for that tour. I will never, ever forget Halawa prison.

Sounds like our breakroom and job training at work:D

[LikaNui]

So the guy who shot the cop last weekend had five prior FELONY convictions, but was only given "rehab" from which he KILLED A COP.
Someone want to tell us WHY there shouldn't be a 3-strikes law for felonies?
:mad:

[Miulang]

So the guy who shot the cop last weekend had five prior FELONY convictions, but was only given "rehab" from which he KILLED A COP.
Someone want to tell us WHY there shouldn't be a 3-strikes law for felonies?
:mad:
I used to think "an eye for an eye" was wrong. Now, I think if we went back to frontier justice in some cases (if you kill somebody deliberately, you automatically get killed...no second or third chances, no long drawn out appeal process). That's about the only way I can think of to make potential murderers think twice before they shoot, stab or strangle. And it would leave lots of room in the prisons for all the child predators and perpetrators of domestic assault.:mad:

Most multiple-time offenders are just playing the system, because they know that if they get punished, it will take a looooong time before anything serious happens to them (unless they get killed by their fellow inmates while incarcerated).


Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

So the guy who shot the cop last weekend had five prior FELONY convictions, but was only given "rehab" from which he KILLED A COP.
1) The guy wasn't "given" rehab. He had already been convicted and was awaiting sentencing. The judge handling his case gave him time to complete a drug treatment program.

2) The victim was an off-duty deputy sherriff. He had just finished a shift as a barback when the robbery attempt took place.

If anyone deserves the blame in this case, it's the judge who didn't send this repeat offender back to prison immediately after he was convicted AGAIN.

[Lei Liko]

So the guy who shot the cop last weekend had five prior FELONY convictions, but was only given "rehab" from which he KILLED A COP.
Someone want to tell us WHY there shouldn't be a 3-strikes law for felonies?
:mad:

I'd like to know why too.

Because I'll be saying goodbye to a loyal friend on Sunday.

Thanks, judge.

[Miulang]

I'd like to know why too.

Because I'll be saying goodbye to a loyal friend on Sunday.

Thanks, judge.
My condolences to you, Lei, and to the officer's family. It's always sad to hear about officers who die either in the line of duty or doing something that they're trained to do and would do as an automatic response even if they weren't on duty.:( They are public servants 24x7x365.

Miulang

[PoiBoy]

If anyone deserves the blame in this case, it's the judge who didn't send this repeat offender back to prison immediately after he was convicted AGAIN.

BINGO!!!!!!!

[lavagal]

1)
If anyone deserves the blame in this case, it's the judge who didn't send this repeat offender back to prison immediately after he was convicted AGAIN.

I was thinking the same thing all day. Is Judge Karl (carl?) Sakamoto going to stand beside this criminal and apologize to the mother of this dead young man, this dead deputy of the state of Hawaii? I've often been surprised by the verdicts handed down by this particular judge. I don't know what opinion the legal community holds of him, or even what our City Prosecutor might betray, but I certainly do not understand this man's decisions. Has he even slept since this shooting?

[GeckoGeek]

Or put another way, because there aren't enough spaces for all the people who are convicted of crimes which require incarceration, would you prefer to jail someone who breaks into houses or a child molester or a murderer or a rapist if you only had one more open space in OCCC?

Well if you execute the child molester or murderer or rapist, then you'd have space for the burglar. :D

But I think you've missed my point. Whatever the root cause we need to fix, the damage is done. We've got a lot of criminals that we have to house even if we were to identify and rectify the "root cause" tomorrow. So we'd better get busy and start creating some prison space or some alternative that keeps the repeat criminals out of society.

[Adri]

There was a time when there was a push to have people found guilty of "lesser offenses" wear monitoring devices on their ankles and be restricted to house arrest or a very limited roaming range instead of being jailed. I haven't heard as much about it lately. I don't think it had any deterrent effect. a couple years ago I saw a younger guy in McDonald's with his pants leg hiked up to show his friends his ankle bracelet and they all seemed to think it was very cool.

[lavagal]

I heard there is legislation being mulled to have GPS chips inserted in sex offenders. I think you'd have to stick it in a bone, the heart, or an essential organ. Or put it in and not tell them where it is! I would expect that anyone who got this wouldn't think twice of cutting themselves and digging it out.

[Miulang]

Justice for slain off duty officer Browne-Sanchez might still prevail: the FBI is now investigating the case, and the killer might get the death sentence (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070214/NEWS01/702140394/1001).

The FBI is investigating the death of an off-duty deputy sheriff during a botched robbery at a nightclub, which means the alleged shooter might face the federal death penalty.

The FBI's findings will be given to the U.S. attorney's office, which will decide whether to prosecute the case at the federal level.

...He declined to speculate about the death penalty possibility, since the case is currently being handled at the state level, where the death penalty is not an option.

A crime in an establishment that conducts interstate commerce — the deputy was killed in a bar that buys goods from out of state — allows the federal government to intervene.




I personally hope da sucka FRIES.:mad:

Miulang

[1stwahine]

Tita Miulang, I share your feelings too on this terrible senseless incident. However, what comes to my mind is the fact that many murders have occurred in the past in 'Bars'...and the FBI never took action. Now they seek to do something on the grounds "the bar buys goods from out of State?":confused:

No. That is not right. That is not just. He was not working as a Sheriff at the time of his Death but as a bartender's helper. The suspect is a menace to Society and should be dealt with according to the Law. Not a Law made up just for him.

He will pay for his heartless and insane crime.

I have faith in our system.

Lynn

[Miulang]

Tita Miulang, I share your feelings too on this terrible senseless incident. However, what comes to my mind is the fact that many murders have occurred in the past in 'Bars'...and the FBI never took action. Now they seek to do something on the grounds "the bar buys goods from out of State?":confused:

No. That is not right. That is not just. He was not working as a Sheriff at the time of his Death but as a bartender's helper. The suspect is a menace to Society and should be dealt with according to the Law. Not a Law made up just for him.

He will pay for his heartless and insane crime.

I have faith in our system.

Lynn
The reason why this case might be a little different from other cases where people have been murdered in bar fights is because of the officer's status. Even though he was off duty at the time, law enforcement takes a dim view of any of its officers being hurt or killed even when not in uniform. Hawai'i doesn't have the death penalty, which is probably why the Feds decided to look at the case.

Even if the FBI recommends the death penalty, it's still the jurisdiction of Hawai'i to decide whether or not to ship the prisoner off to a Federal prison where he could be put to death.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

I understand Law Enforcement Officers are 24/7 on the job. But the fact remains he was not 'working' as a Sheriff in the Bar! He Life is gone because he was doing what he always do ~ Help and Protect. Unfortunately, this time it took his Life.

Don't get me wrong. If the FBI hangs um...I'm happy too. But would they have a STRONG CASE?

Lynn

[craigwatanabe]

I understand Law Enforcement Officers are 24/7 on the job. But the fact remains he was not 'working' as a Sheriff in the Bar! He Life is gone because he was doing what he always do ~ Help and Protect. Unfortunately, this time it took his Life.

Don't get me wrong. If the FBI hangs um...I'm happy too. But would they have a STRONG CASE?

Lynn

Neither was HPD Officer Troy Barboza when he was murdered while sleeping at home, but he was listed as a slained officer.

[1stwahine]

Neither was HPD Officer Troy Barboza when he was murdered while sleeping at home, but he was listed as a slained officer.

I guess I not getting any where with my question....

Hang the BASTARD!!!!

Lynn

[LikaNui]

He will pay for his heartless and insane crime. I think he's had a start already. Did anyone happen to see his face at his first court hearing? Looked like he'd already had a beating or two.
Heh.

[Miulang]

That John Lorenzo (http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/11065894/detail.html)guy who murdered the off-duty officer is going to be tried in front of the very same judge who let him out for drug treatment last time (which is how he happened to be loose and killed officer Lorenzo). Wonder if Judge Sakamoto be less lenient in his sentencing this time, with all the eyes that will be watching him this time around?:rolleyes:

Miulang

[LikaNui]

The judge won't be lenient if he wants to keep his job.

[Miulang]

Update on the trial of John Lorenzo (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Mar/01/br/br9458612073.html): he got sentenced (by the same judge who allowed him to be out of jail in order to enter drug rehab) to 50 years for his prior drug convictions. Nothing was said about his having to stand trial for murdering the off-duty officer for which he is in jail without bail. Hopefully they add another 50+ years to his sentence for the kidnapping and murder so he never sees the light of day again.:mad: Or even better, have the feds take over this trial, convict him and put him on death row.

Miulang

[Leo Lakio]

Or even better, have the feds take over this trial, convict him and put him on death row.Excerpting from a Star-Bulletin (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/12/editorial/editorials.html) editorial of 8/12/05:Capital punishment was abolished in Hawaii prior to statehood, but the Justice Department might extend to the islands its recent effrontery of seeking the death penalty in states that consider it barbaric. (Regarding the case being discussed at the time of the editorial) U.S. Attorney Ed Kubo...should respect the state's abhorrence of the death penalty -- even in the face of the most reprehensible of crimes -- by recommending pursuit of humane punishment.
Prior to the Bush administration, the Justice Department refrained from seeking the federal death penalty where capital punishment was illegal under state law. That changed when John Ashcroft became attorney general and won reversal of a federal judge's 2000 rejection of capital punishment as "locally inapplicable" in Puerto Rico, which forbids the death penalty.Miulang, this may be one of the rare occasions where you side with the Bush Administration on something.:eek:

[Miulang]

Excerpting from a Star-Bulletin (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/12/editorial/editorials.html) editorial of 8/12/05:Miulang, this may be one of the rare occasions where you side with the Bush Administration on something.:eek:
Which goes to show that I'm not as "liberal" as some people think I am!;) And in this circumstance, keeping him in jail, in the hopes of "rehabilitating" him, would be a waste of time. The guy is bad to the bone, period. No chance he will ever "see God" and be reformed.

Miulang

[Lei Liko]

Or even better, have the feds take over this trial, convict him and put him on death row.

I have mixed feelings about this.

I miss Dan and even weeks later I am still grieving for him. I don't think it's really even hit me that he's gone.

But put me in the minority that does not want to see John Lorenzo face the death penalty. I can't speak on behalf of my departed friend, but knowing what kind of person he was and judging from those endless drunken talks we'd have about everything and anything in the parking lot at 4am, he probably wouldn't have wanted the death penalty, either.

[Leo Lakio]

And in this circumstance, keeping him in jail, in the hopes of "rehabilitating" him, would be a waste of time. The guy is bad to the bone, period. No chance he will ever "see God" and be reformed.I'm no proponent of the death penalty, and I'm quite comfortable with putting some criminals away for the rest of their lives, without worrying about their rehabilitation prospects.

And don't anyone respond with the argument of "a single bullet through the heart is cheaper than keeping them alive in prison for decades." Negating the value of any human life in this fashion takes you right down to the level of the murderers themselves, and I don't believe anyone participating here is that low.