Reputation?

[AbsolutChaos]

It's really funny! The more I complain the better my "Status" becomes. HaHa. I just want to take this time to thank you for being in my corner. You know who you are and you're appreciated. Mahalos for offsetting the silly ass red ones.


Thanks on my behalf too. I noticed the same thing when I posted here, though I was NOT fishing for green squares, I promise! I just wanted to vent like everyone else who has received an anonymous red square with no explanation behind it. Yeah, I know, it was only one negative square, I shouldn't let it get to me, etc, but I'm used to constructive criticism, not silent potshots. So far when people disagreed with me, they let me know by responding to my post publically, and I've tried to do the same, unless I feel that a private PM would be the better response to a particular poster. I have given out green squares to people, but I haven't given out any red squares because I haven't really come across any posts that were totally inappropriate--the only exception were trolls who were obviously tooting the same one-note horn, and those people I simply added to my ignore list. Spammers were quickly dealt with by admin, so I never bothered red-squaring them.

There have been many times when I've heard things on this board I didn't like, but I respected the diference in opinon, as long as personal attacks were not used in the wording. Despite not meeting many of the HT users personally (although I'm sure I've probably passed many of you Oahu residents on the street without knowing it!), I have an enormous amount or respect for the quality of posts prior to so much attention being brought upon the reputation system. (I was much happier when I was blissfully ignorant of its existence too.) I must admit that at this point I always wonder if I'm gonna get anonymous red squares for inexplicable reasons when I post, and it's always in the back of my mind when participate on HT.

I've always considered this one of my favorite sites; I've learned a lot here. However, I've been looking for alternative HI message boards where there's no reputation system, since I've seen too much abuse of the system here and it's affecting my enjoyment of this site. Guess I'm just too thin-skinned. :o

[LikaNui]

The opposition is currently enjoying a 56% lead ahead of the supporters.
And for the record, I'm one of the 44% who voted to keep the system.
So far, only 57 people have taken the poll on whether to keep the reputation system -- 25 (44%) voted yes and 32 (56%) voted no. So perhaps saying "enjoying" a lead is a bit of premature excitation.
Folks are almost split down the middle on this one. Not exactly an overwhelming majority!
:p
And with only 57 out of 2,000+ members (just over 2%) voting, it's unarguably clear that the vast majority of members here just don't care about such a manini non-issue.
:)

[Menehune Man]

If someone wishes to make a private comment, they may do so through messages and that way positive or negative the recipiant knows who sent it. Cool yeah?!


Someone sent me a private message saying that this suggestion of mine wouldn't work because we're only allowed 50 messages. Untrue. We're only allowed to store up to 50 messages. It's not like I'm going to keep them as if it were a photo album or some such. Just wanted to clarify that. Also Thread members can choose to not receive email (I have chosen that option) or to not receive private messages if they so wish. I have left that option open for use. The point is that the user has control and can change the situation at any time. I like that!

[1stwahine]

Someone sent me a private message saying that this suggestion of mine wouldn't work because we're only allowed 50 messages. Untrue. We're only allowed to store up to 50 messages. It's not like I'm going to keep them as if it were a photo album or some such. Just wanted to clarify that. Also Thread members can choose to not receive email (I have chosen that option) or to not receive private messages if they so wish. I have left that option open for use. The point is that the user has control and can change the situation at any time. I like that!

Good morning Menehune Man! I had to laugh @ "It's not like I'm going to keep them as if it were a photo album or some such." Who would do such a thing? :eek: I delete mines ~ granted I do keep some good ones. :D

On the topic of Private Messages. Is it really "Private?" Sometimes, "talk stink" between members and get scared. :eek: NOT! hahahahaha

...oops! I going get onnada RED foa dis one. I no care. I got too much greens to off set um! :p

Auntie Lynn

[helen]

I am kind of wondering about this so called abusing the system. Is it fair to say that anytime someone gives out a negative reputation that person is abusing the system? Or does it depend on the following situtations:


awards negative reputation, leaves comment with foul language and doesn't leave the name
awards negative reputation, leaves comment with foul language and leave name
awards negative reputation, doesn't leave any comment
awards negative reputation, just leaves name
awards negative reputation, leaves comment
awards negative reputation, leaves comment and name
awards neutral reputation, leaves comment with foul language and doesn't leave the name
awards neutral reputation, leaves comment with foul language and leave name
awards neutral reputation, doesn't leave any comment
awards neutral reputation, just leaves name
awards neutral reputation, leaves comment
awards neutral reputation, leaves comment and name
awards postive reputation, leaves comment with foul language and doesn't leave the name
awards postive reputation, leaves comment with foul language and leave name
awards postive reputation, doesn't leave any comment
awards postive reputation, just leaves name
awards postive reputation, leaves comment
awards postive reputation, leaves comment and name


As far as accountabilty goes, it's there in some form and there are safeguards that make it hard to abuse it. Granted there is no way for you as a user to find out who awarded you a reputation, but I have to wonder what useful purpose that will serve. Could some one enlighten me about this?

[Menehune Man]

Seems to me... If someone agrees or disagrees with another's comments in a post on the boards, that the proper thing to do is to reply with their comments on the boards also. If that's not a correct assumption, please help me to understand why?

[Pua'i Mana'o]

...As someone else mentioned earlier, there is "no aloha" and certainly no accountability (that word again) on the part of those users who just throw anonymous red stones at us...


just a suggestion: anon. red square = dicklet (possibly, but not necessarily, preceded by these adjectives: little, red, small, etc)

ain't no finer way of labeling behavior that essentially being petty for the point. :p

[MadAzza]

I am kind of wondering about this so called abusing the system. Is it fair to say that anytime someone gives out a negative reputation that person is abusing the system? Or does it depend on the following situtations:

Gawd, Helen, that's a lot of free time.

[TuNnL]

Is it fair to say that anytime someone gives out a negative reputation that person is abusing the system? Or does it depend on the following situtations:


awards negative reputation, doesn't leave any comment



Mahalo, Helen for making possible this moment of clarity.

Personally, this situation is by far the most unfortunate and irritating part of this reputation system. There is absolutely no value to allowing this type of “awarding” (if you can call it that) points other than to indicate to a member that someone did not like what they posted.

It’s not enough that they choose to give you a red chicklet anonymously - but they choose to do it without giving you any clue as to why they felt that way. So now you feel shame, embarassment, and guilt for something that you may never understand.

This is not pono.

So Ryan, if you’re reading this, don’t you think this is something worth addressing? Thoughtful kanaka shouldn’t have to wala‘au like mynah birds. Even our Ali‘i here have spoken. Lend us your mind.

[LikaNui]

So now you feel shame, embarassment, and guilt Tell me you're joking. Please tell me you're joking!
We should feel "shame, embarassment and guilt" when we see starving children, but feeling those emotions for meaningless reputation points here?
Some of you folks really crack me up!
:p :p :p

Then again, if you're actually serious about this, well... it's just sad.
:(

[TuNnL]

To whoever gave the me the red chicklet anonymously for the message I posted in this thread, thank you for proving my point. As for your comment in anonymous feedback to “stop whining,” I will get to work immediately on trying to make my posts more gay, upbeat, and happy-happy joy-joy just for you. ;)

[anapuni808]

I'm kind of curious: what are "red chicklets" and why does anyone care? It seems to me that we should just be able to post our responses & opinions about other posts in an open democratic manner - as long as we are polite and don't "flame" each other. If someone wants to dis me for something I post, then that is their privilege. but, I'm certainly not going to worry if someone doesn't like what I post.

oh wait - does that mean I can get kicked off this board? oh dear :D

[Menehune Man]

It seems to me that we should just be able to post our responses & opinions about other posts in an open democratic manner - as long as we are polite and don't "flame" each other. If someone wants to dis me for something I post, then that is their privilege. but, I'm certainly not going to worry if someone doesn't like what I post.

Exactly... OPEN, not behind the scenes sneaky like. That's what I have a problem with and I think that's the same with the others that dislike the reputation system.

[LikaNui]

Six minutes after I posted something about Joe Moore in the Hawai`i Media section, some anonymous dweeb gave me a red reputation point for it, and included the comment "I've held back long enough, ZINGGGG!!! - Joe Moore - Now figure out my handle".
Man, am I ever gonna lose sleep over that.
:rolleyes:
I agree with you folks who say it would be nice if any red chiclets required the giver to identify themselves. But if the system won't allow that, no big deal.

[helen]

I got 4 green messages with commentary on why and one red with no comment at all for this very same post. See how weird this whole thing is?
Could you please clarify about this weirdness? What part was weird, that you got a total of 5 reputations for one post or 4 out 5 people approved of your post?

[1stwahine]

dances into room!!!! :D

I solved it!!!!

k-DEN. Listen up.

I went ova the light greens last week.

...many of you are getting there too. :D

when everyone reaches that divine status ~ Poof-Be-Gone! No Moa!

Why? The system can't give out anymore light greens! :eek:

Am I right Helen? hahahahahaha

[Leo Lakio]

or 4 out 5 people approved of your post?Maybe they were dentists; you know, 4 out of 5 tend to agree on things...

[Menehune Man]

Could you please clarify about this weirdness? What part was weird, that you got a total of 5 reputations for one post or 4 out 5 people approved of your post?

Okay Helen... To run by it one more time. I think it's weird that there is in place a system that allows someone to anonimously affect (rep or otherwise) another poster and that they would do that without even leaving a comment on what their reasoning was. Both of those instances happened on that post through one disapprove rep award. Then on the otherhand four other posters awarded aprove rep awards with commentary as to what they liked or agreed with concerning the very same post. That's weird to me.

Feels as though you(Helen) keep rewording the same question while I've had to repost my stance again.

This is my very last post in this thread. Aloha.

See you elsewhere on HawaiiThreads!

[adrian]

If I'm getting graded, then I won't be mouthing on about topics here; that's the main purpose for forums.

I don't want to speak my mind, only to let the opportunity for someone who completely disagrees with me give me a red dot for that.

Heck, I don't even like the way we're ranked (but that's for another thread). But this is someone else's forum, not mine; so I'll just go with the flow.

[TuNnL]

That’s very diplomatic and agreeable of you, Doc. Someone will give a you a green chicklet I’m sure. ;)

[mel]

I got another f****ng red square because I just posted a factual item that referred to the whitehouse.gov website.

This is the post.

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=57244#post57244

The asshole who gave me the red square only gave me a red square, left no ID and no comment.

This f****ng reputation system has got to go. It is being abused!!!!!!


:mad: :mad: :mad:

Am I unhappy? You damn well better believe it. The reputation system is truly a divide and conquer mechanism that only hurts the community and nothing else.

[1stwahine]

Mel, sent you a greenie to offset the red!

...I'll probably get a red for this too. It's ok.

The system is abused. We know that already. Let's not waste anymore energy.

Auntie Lynn ;)

[helen]

7 months ago someone posted that someone else was abusing the reputation system by leaving offensive comments. Is this is still true as the definiation of abusing the reputation system or is it now defined as simply leaving a negative reputation with no comment at all?

[TuNnL]

7 months ago someone posted that someone else was abusing the reputation system by leaving offensive comments. Is this is still true as the definiation of abusing the reputation system or is it now defined as simply leaving a negative reputation with no comment at all?

I would say both should be considered abuse, but to me, it’s far more abusive if it’s negative reputation with no comment at all, and even more offensive if they do it anonymously (which really shows no spine at all).

I don’t understand why members here can’t make their displeasure known by simply posting a rebuttal in the thread in which the post they disliked appeared. Why punish someone with a red chicklet? The answer is because it’s there and people will be immature.

So we basically, this system is about stifling free speech. To me, chicklets, red or green, should only be given out by moderators or the administrator. Right now it’s a toy for the kiddies to play with.

[helen]

I would say both should be considered abuse, but to me, it’s far more abusive if it’s negative reputation with no comment at all, and even more offensive if they do it anonymously (which really shows no spine at all).

I understand the frustration of getting a negative reputation with no comment, I know what it feels like, you try to figure out why, sometimes it obvious, other times it's not. Sure it can be a pain in butt but you know what if I got a negative reputation that was worth 1 to 10 points I am not going to worry about too much. I might scream to myself if I got a -30 reputation.

Currently there is no rule that says you have to leave a comment with the reputation. And even though if there was such a rule that made leaving comments mandatory how does it know that the comment is meaningful? Someone could simply leave 'bbbxxxxqqqq' as a comment.

I don’t understand why members here can’t make their displeasure known by simply posting a rebuttal in the thread in which the post they disliked appeared. Why punish someone with a red chicklet? The answer is because it’s there and people will be immature.
To me at least there are times when assigning negative (or postive} reputation would be preferred than adding a response to thread that would either fuel a flame war or drifting the thread off-topic.

So we basically, this system is about stifling free speech. To me, chicklets, red or green, should only be given out by moderators or the administrator. Right now it’s a toy for the kiddies to play with.
No, the reputation system was meant to be used by all registrated users of that forum. Guest can not assign reputation to post, moderators are treated no differently than regular users.

The administrator on the other hand if memory serves can give out unlimted reputation assignments, I know they are not bound by the 24 hour limitation rule of 10 reputations during that period but I am not sure about the reputation spread (the one that enforces you have to give it to 10 other users before giving it to that person again).

I am also guessing that the administrator used to give out 4 points of reputation but I am guessing that is no longer the case since there is a good number of people who can give 20 or more reputation points.

The real question is not 'if the reputation system is flawed or not' but rather 'how well do you trust your fellow HawaiiThreads user in using the reputation system wisely?'

[mel]

Another damn red chiclet this morning from another anonymous person who does not want to be accountable.

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=57544#post57544

I am telling you. We are supposed to pay quick attention when people on this board hurl libelous statements at other people who are not on this board. As moderators we have to take quick action against rocks being hurled by anonymous or unknown users to people on the outside who are not members of the board.

I got a possible legal threat from 2 people in the last month regarding irresponsible posts made by members of this board. With the admin's knowledge, I had to DELETE the posts, take action on the matter.

We did it quickly and so far amicably between all of the parties involved.

Why can't admin do something about satisfying the users of this board who are very unhappy with the system. We already have people fleeing the board because of the reputation system and talking about it on another board. It is a big deal because now outside of this board, the notoriety of the board, some of the people inhabiting this board is now a discussion topic:

The Other BBS (http://www.zztype.com/walaau/index.php?topic=80.0)

One of the posts there got so nasty about the people on this board that the admin there had to remove it.

The notorious reputation about this board's reputation system is spreading.

If admin is concerned about the reputation of HT, he should do something quickly like removing the reputation system ASAP.

Perhaps from this point on, all of us who hate the reputation system and the red points we get from time to time need to post that here as well as send the post in PM to admin and his alter ego pzarquon.

It is kind of hard to PM admin at this time because his PM box is up to its quota of 50 messages (I tried CCing him with a PM regarding the libelous statement made here).

Perhaps sending our red chiclet complaints to his email address may also be in order.

[mel]

The meaness of this board is perpetuated by the reputation system (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=13), those members who continue to throw anonymous red rocks at fellow members and the inaction by admin to not deal with the problem in part to satisfy the end users who do not like the reputation system. The option exists for those who do not like the reputation system to opt out if only admin activates the option.

The meaness here is the fact that after more than 15,000 topic views, more than 500 messages in the reputation thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=13), that nothing has been done to change things here in regards to the rep system.

On the part of admin and those who continue to hurl anonymous red rocks at fellow users, that is indeed mean.

[scrivener]

Mel, you know I respect you and your opinions, but you can't use the argument that the fact that somewhere else, someone got abusive about members of the HT community as evidence that people here are too mean. It says much more about the people THERE than about the people HERE, if that makes any sense.

I'm almost willing to change my vote now, just because this upsets you and Blaine so much.

[lurkah]

I'm almost willing to change my vote now, just because this upsets you and Blaine so much.
When you say that you'd change your vote, did you mean to say that you'd change the poll option you chose regarding whether or not to keep the reputation system? And if so, what end result would you be hoping to accomplish in doing so?

The reason I'm asking is because I take the word "vote" to mean that some kind of Yes/No change would occur after a vote is taken, unless said vote turns out to be a draw, for which nothing would change.

This unofficial Reputation Poll is only a litmus test to poll the participants on how their feelings are towards it, for or against, and it would really be something to behold if Scrivener changed his poll option and it caused a ripple effect that resulted in the reputation system either being disabled, or the option to have participants opt out of participating in the reputation system being enabled. :D

[LikaNui]

I received another anonymous red chiclet around 1am today for posting my opinion in the "KHON TV sold" thread. I chuckled when I saw the reddie, then instantly moved on. My life was not affected by it in the slightest.
So someone out there didn't like what I said. Good. I don't want everyone to like what I say, I just want to be able to express my opinion. Sure, it would've been interesting if they'd left a reason for the reddie, but frankly, Scarlett...
Mountains.
Molehills.
And Mel, my hunch is that you're getting all those red marks because you let them upset you so much that perhaps some folks find it amusing to try to set you off even more. You're letting those people push your buttons, and you're making it darned easy for them to do so. Something to think about.
Mountains.
Molehills.

[admin]

The reputation system has been disabled. We now return you to your regularly scheduled... everything else. Happy early Valentine's Day.

[1stwahine]

The reputation system has been disabled. We now return you to your regularly scheduled... everything else. Happy early Valentine's Day.

Mahalo! Happy Valentines Day too! :D

Auntie Lynn ;)

[lurkah]

This unofficial Reputation Poll is only a litmus test to poll the participants on how their feelings are towards it, for or against, and it would really be something to behold if Scrivener changed his poll option and it caused a ripple effect that resulted in the reputation system either being disabled, or the option to have participants opt out of participating in the reputation system being enabled. :D
:eek: Well, I'll be...

[Leo Lakio]

The reputation system has been disabled. We now return you to your regularly scheduled... everything else. Happy early Valentine's Day.My first reaction was to send you a green chicklet for doing this, but...thanks!

[lurkah]

Isn't it funny how everyone now looks...well, looks...naked. :p

[1stwahine]

Simply wonderful! Just devine! AWESOME!!!!!! :D

Auntie Lynn ;)

[lurkah]

Simply wonderful! Just devine! AWESOME!!!!!! :D
Because everyone looks naked?

[1stwahine]

Because everyone looks naked?

AWESOME! :p

[Menehune Man]

Thank You! Very Cool. :cool:

[Surfingfarmboy]

I was told that if a Hawaii Threads member had (at a minimum ) a good reputation, he/she could ride on TheBus for that fact and $2. TheBus would even throw a transfer in for no charge as well!

During my last visit to Honolulu, I took advantage of this member discount everytime I rode TheBus. Worked like a charm!

Now that there is no reputation to strive for, will this discount for Hawaii Thread members be eliminated? ;)

[helen]

The system can't give out anymore light greens! :eek:

Am I right Helen? hahahahahaha

I have no idea but since the reputation system is disabled I guess I am off the hook in to futher researching an answer to that question.

[1stwahine]

I have no idea but since the reputation system is disabled I guess I am off the hook in to futher researching an answer to that question.

A doz. Cyber Long Stem Red Roses w/ babies breath for your hard work in researching on this ReputationThread! Now, you can use your expertise in the other threads as well? ;)

Auntie Lynn :D

[sinjin]

Now I'll never know if I'm gaining on that hanai thing. Rats. Guess I stey haole to da max fo eva.

[Leo Lakio]

If nothing else, we may have prevented Mel from having a stroke.
That's worth the elimination of the reputation system, don't you think?

[lurkah]

If nothing else, we may have prevented Mel from having a stroke.
That's worth the elimination of the reputation system, don't you think?
I won't even suggest that you run a poll on that. :rolleyes:

[scrivener]

It is said in America that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It is said in Japan that the nail that sticks up is quickly hammered down.

[lurkah]

What is the sound of one hand clapping? ;)

[glossyp]

My thanks to admin for the change.

[Palolo Joe]

What a crock of crap.

Mel gets his panties in a bunch yet again, and manages to get the wishes of a select few applied to everyone else.

But it IS Ryan's decision, and we've got to respect that. Although it definitely says something about the way things are run around here.

[mel]

Mel gets his panties in a bunch yet again, and manages to get the wishes of a select few applied to everyone else.

Now I know YOU have an infatuation with panties because everytime anyone disagrees with you, that is your standard statement. Perhaps you better check your stained wet ones before hurling them at the members.

And yes, I am happy (Thanks Ryan) for having the reputation system discontinued here. Now our accusers can hurl their insults at us in public instead of resorting to anonymous red rocks.

BTW, I surely did not intend to make this my first post after the rep system was discontinued, but hey, I guess this is the best one to reply to.

Thank you Palolo Joe for being so accountable! :)

[Palolo Joe]

Keep on hurling those insults Mel... do all the things that others would get spanked and banned for.

I save that descriptive form of you getting all bent out of shape, just for you. It's the big, red, "Please F*ck With Me" button you've got protruding from your head.

The way you can bitch and moan until you get what you want is the most pilau thing here. Don't worry about my underwear... besides, how you know I'm not free-balling it?

Let's see if your execrable spewing will get this thread locked...



Now I know YOU have an infatuation with panties because everytime anyone disagrees with you, that is your standard statement. Perhaps you better check your stained wet ones before hurling them at the members.

And yes, I am happy (Thanks Ryan) for having the reputation system discontinued here. Now our accusers can hurl their insults at us in public instead of resorting to anonymous red rocks.

BTW, I surely did not intend to make this my first post after the rep system was discontinued, but hey, I guess this is the best one to reply to.

Thank you Palolo Joe for being so accountable! :)

[mel]

And the meaness continues. :)

[Palolo Joe]

Just as you continue to dodge my point.

You bitched and moaned until you got what you wanted. The wishes of a select few have been applied to the rest of us.

That's bullsh*t.

Plus, you keep running your mouth in a manner that would get us makaainana spanked and banned. Being a luna really does have it's benefits, huh?

[mel]

Is it possible this topic will pass 16,000 views by tonight?

[Menehune Man]

Just as you continue to dodge my point.

You bitched and moaned until you got what you wanted. The wishes of a select few have been applied to the rest of us.

That's bullsh*t.

Plus, you keep running your mouth in a manner that would get us makaainana spanked and banned. Being a luna really does have it's benefits, huh?

Yes he complained about what he didn't like about the system and you know what so did I! Why don't you just praise it's merits if you can find any instead of just spouting off your brand of crap, eh?

[manoasurfer123]

to those that are worried about a reputation...

I feel for you...

thats all

Sounds like small kine kids stuff... "who is most popular....etc..."

[Palolo Joe]

I said my peace about this subject in this very thread a long time ago.

I, like many others, learned that reputation in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean that much at all here at HT. You disagree, fine. You like get all huhu and hurl insults at me like Mel, fine. I can deal either way.

My brand of crap is my opinion, and screw you if you think you'll stop me from expressing it.

Yes he complained about what he didn't like about the system and you know what so did I! Why don't you just praise it's merits if you can find any instead of just spouting off your brand of crap, eh?

[Menehune Man]

Cool. I don't want to stop you from expressing your opinion, but Ryan isn't the only person that deserves respect on these boards. And if you wish to be shown respect then act respectfully.

[Palolo Joe]

And if you wish to be shown respect then act respectfully.
You just had to go and edit that in.

Same to you man. Like I said, if you like get all huhu and start hurling insults as Mel did, fine. It'll come right back at you.

Mel has long since shown he has no respect for me. So I show none when dealing with him.

[Menehune Man]

You just had to go and edit that in

Yes, yes I did...

[Menehune Man]

What a crock of crap.A resepectful way to express an opinion?

Mel gets his panties in a bunch yet again,Respectful? and manages to get the wishes of a select few applied to everyone else.I don't agree

But it IS Ryan's decisionThat's right! , and we've got to respect that. Although it definitely says something about the way things are run around here.So respectful.

Sheesh, I got worked up over how this post was written and took offense. I wish you all the best and hope to have better relations elsewhere on the boards Palolo Joe. I'm sorry. Menehune Man

[kimo55]

I... think we threw the baby out with the bathwater.
I may be wrong, but from my perspective, all or the vast majority of vehemence was directed toward the infamous red chicklet. NOT the rep system as a whole. Thus; why did the red chiklet not be excorsized only?
and retain green and gray only?
IF... one has a complaint re; someone's post, they can damn well tell the person. or shaddup. Only those two choices. Now: IF they liked the post, they green it.
If they didn't like it too much or got a bad taste in their mouth from it, a grey mark. but IF.. they were pissed about it, they again, had the option to talk about it publicly, or NOT... AT... ALL..

See, the "no mark" is the new red mark.
kay?

this format prevents the sniper from taking potshots and running away.
Sometimes physical parameters must be put up to help the lil kids in the autopia from bangin into trees or other people in other lanes, no matter how much or if or when they wanna.

have a few beers and contemplate the simile.

[TuNnL]

I... think we threw the baby out with the bathwater.
I may be wrong, but from my perspective, all or the vast majority of vehemence was directed toward the infamous red chicklet. NOT the rep system as a whole. Thus; why did the red chiklet not be excorsized only?
and retain green and gray only?


I have to admit, I never even considered this possibility until you brought it up. Then again, I am a relative newbie to this forum. That’s what I like about Helen. She was truly interested in determining what was good and bad about the reputation system. I think the majority here were more upset at the way the system worked then the fact that it was there. Who’s to say that it can’t come back in a new and improved format? Your suggestion gets my vote. Poll, anyone?

[1stwahine]

Is it possible this topic will pass 16,000 views by tonight?

Dang! It did go OVA 16,000!!!!

Auntie Lynn

Happy Aloha Friday Everyone! :D

[LikaNui]

Why can't admin do something about satisfying the users of this board who are very unhappy with the system. We already have people fleeing the board because of the reputation system and talking about it on another board. It is a big deal because now outside of this board, the notoriety of the board, some of the people inhabiting this board is now a discussion topic:
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One of the posts there got so nasty about the people on this board that the admin there had to remove it.
The notorious reputation about this board's reputation system is spreading.
Okay, I've been holding my tongue, or biting my tongue, or whatever, for the last couple of days... but no more.
Personally, I liked the reputation system and thought it was amusing to watch. The vote was 35 people (57%) to remove it versus 26 people (43%) who wanted to keep it. As I said before, that is far from being an overwhelming majority. I'm disappointed that the ranting and raving of just one or two people caused Ryan to finally cave in.
Mel, you're one of the moderators here, and as such your complaints should have gone to Ryan privately. Making such a huhu publicly did not shed a good light on yourself or on anyone else. I also feel that you showed quite a bit of disloyalty to the person who allowed you to bring your Media board here. And I've pointed out previously as well that I couldn't understand your extreme anger at the reputation system, because even with a few red chiclets you still had one of the best reputations of anyone. And you've caused a verbal riot here in this thread. I've noticed over the past couple of weeks that the message count here on HT seemed to have dropped noticeably after all this huhu, most probably due to the fear of retaliation that you instilled in people.
And beyond that -- and perhaps worst of all -- you and a couple of others had the gall to set up a competing board almost identical to this one and even used this board to solicit members to that one!!! I find that also incredibly disloyal, immature, and tacky.
I personally have time for just one board, and it will remain this one. I see no reason to participate in two boards and to have to read the same things from the same people twice and repeat replies twice. I'll miss the postings of some of those folks over there, but such is life.
Your endless whining in this thread has caused too much dissension, disruption and discord in the ranks. And all because of silly little meaningless chiclets. SHEESH.
:mad:
I hope Ryan locks this thread up, and even better I hope he archives it somewhere out of sight.

There. I feel better now.
:)

[1stwahine]

Likanui, I asked ZZtype how to set up a BBS Forum as I was interested. It was in no way anything to deter members away from HT. Infact, It was only made within less than 10 minutes when I started to invite others from my own personal address book and yes, from this Forum.

I thought it would be another good fun place to express one's opinion. I still do. At Wala'au we have other things in which we can enhance our posts. We also feature pictures of Local Grinds, Resturants, favorite places, things, etc.

There is a vast difference. However, I still post and still love HT. I have been a part of this online Ohana and I will continue to be in it.

Mel and ZZtype is not to blame. The blame is on me.

Sincerely,

Lynn

btw: The only one guilty so far of double posting is me. Not in the exact words, of course...still the same. I'll stop that. :D

[admin]

For the record, no specific recent post prompted the removal of the "Reputation" system. Just several futile weeks of hoping the debate would end, looking at some of the middling options (sadly, I didn't see a "positive only" implementation), and deciding it wasn't worth the bad juju... which unfortunately (if somewhat unsurprisingly) seems to have continued despite the change.

And secondly, as far as I'm concerned, there's no ill will (from HawaiiThreads itself) at all toward Wala'au (http://www.zztype.com/walaau/), the message board zztype and 1stwahine built. (And to clarify, I'm fairly certain Mel is a member, not an organizer.) Zztype courteously told me about it early on, I was invited to check it out, and I know many of our regulars were invited over as well.

In this "Reputation" debate in particular, and elsewhere, it's been said many times that HawaiiThreads is HawaiiThreads, for better or worse, and if you don't like it, try another message board or start your own. Well, they did. And more power to them.

There should never be "one forum to rule them all," and I'm glad there are so many options, with different strengths and personalities. From HawaiiThreads to Ohana Lanai to Hawaii.com to the Advertiser forums to Wala'au and who knows how many others... they've all got something to offer, and I'd rather people go where they feel most comfortable then feel bad trying to fit in someplace else.

That said, I do try to make HawaiiThreads a broadly welcoming place, albeit one that sometimes has more than it's share of... color. Since the start of the new year, I've felt as if we started off on the wrong foot to some extent, with higher than average snark levels and the presumption of a "gauntlet" to haze newbies. Given that, to see alternative venues pop up makes perfect sense. It also made me think I could do at least one thing to cool things down here, just a little. So I did.

And with that, and with the Reputation system but a memory, this thread is most assuredly closed.

[manoasurfer123]

Quote is the "Reputation" part of HT ever going to be brought back?

I just noticed that it's still listed in the FAQ's

* What is Reputation?
* How do I give Reputation points?
* On what basis should I give Reputation points?
* How do I find out my Reputation score?
* How many Reputation points can I give?
* I don't agree with a Reputation score I received. What do I do?

[helen]

In case you or anyone else who is new to HawaiiThreads is interested about the Reputation system you can read through this thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=13) that spanned 566 replies across 22 months.

But the bottom line the Reputation system is a tool that has a lot of rules, lot of misunderstanding to what it can and can not do, and was pain to deal with since one didn't know how much weight a single reputation award was worth (you only knew that total amount that you had).

The best anaolgy I can come with is that the Reputation system is that it's like a pair of scissors inside a bag. It can be useful if one needs to cut things if you can feel what you are cutting but running with scissors can be very bad thing if you are not careful with it.

[TuNnL]

sadly, some people don’t know when to give up. :(