Reputation?

[helen]

Was going through the Member List option and there is a column for something called "Reputation". So far everyone has green squares. I take it that means you are okay? What are the possible values that goes into that column?

[admin]

Good question, Helen. It's one of the gadgets the forum software offers. Much like how other web communities self-moderate (Slashdot's "mod points" system, for example), reputations on this board are a way for you to give a thumbs up (or, hopefully never, a thumbs down) to your fellow HawaiiThreads.com members to tell the world, "This person is respected."

On every post, there's a little "scale" icon. Click it, and you can mark it as being particularly helpful (or not). Over time, a member who's recognized by others' as posting lots of informative or insightful things will get a higher reputation score (more green squares).

Also, the longer you've been a member, and the more posts you've made, the more weight your reputation input has.

Frankly the setup is a bit complicated, with rules governing the number of reputation points you can give other members and how often, for example. There are far too many separate levels, and I don't even know which ones add up to how many squares just yet. I wouldn't take it too seriously. If this ever becomes an enormous, thriving community, I'm sure we'd be able to look at these points as a way to separate the jokers from the thinkers. But for now, just think of it as another nifty gadget.

More useful, I think, is the ability to rate threads. So if a topic generates lots of good posts, and people rate it highly, you'll be able to see at a glance where the juciest, tastiest stuff is. Just as an example, I rated this thread you started four stars. If others rate it one way or the other, you'll get an average. Again, if my wildest dreams come true and this board is busting at the seams, it could be quite helpful.

[helen]

I tried to add to the reputation of one post that "admin" made. It took it and then I tried to add to the reputation to another post that "admin" made and it said You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to admin again.

[admin]

Yeah, that was one of the settings I mentioned above. You have to give reputation points (a.k.a. "props" or mod points) to I think ten separate people before you can give them to someone a second time. That keeps folks from pumping one person into reputation heaven in one lazy afternoon, I guess.

[helen]

You have to give reputation points (a.k.a. "props" or mod points) to I think ten separate people before you can give them to someone a second time.

:o Considering there is about 5 to 6 users who frequent these forums, this might take a while.

[helen]

Just wondering. When you add to one's reputation, it also allows to add a comment to that person. How does that person receive the comment?

[pzarquon]

Considering there is about 5 to 6 users who frequent these forums, this might take a while.Yeah, well. Here's hoping we eventually have more than 5 to 6 users. The Honolulu Weekly ad is out today...

How does that person receive the comment?When you click on "User CP (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/usercp.php?)" (control panel), one of the things you'll see are the latest reputation points you've been given, along with any comments that went with them. (I guess you'll only see this if you have reputation points... I'd never seen the list until now.) I've given you some additional reputation points on your last post with a comment for you to see it in action.

[helen]

And the Control Panel also list the number of Reputation Points. This is nice to know. Thanks!!!

[helen]

I never bothered to click on the reputation icon (the balance scale) on posts that I did. Figured it would complain saying that you cann't change the reputation on your posts. Well today I did and it would show you the reputation status of that post (seen balanced and slightly postive), as well as your overall points and the comments if any to that post.

The comments and reputation are also anonymous (at least to me it is).

[Albert]

Well, Helen, I did cast a vote to add to your reputation but now I have to, as I understand it, vote for nine other people before I can vote again?

[admin]

Right. Okay, y'all made me go back and actually read the instructions. If I understand what this system does, for HawaiiThreads.com, the current Reputation settings are as follows:



You need to have made 10 posts before you can give Reputation ratings.
At first, your Reputation ratings are worth one point each, either to increase or decrease another member's rating.
For every 90 days you're a member, your Reputation ratings are worth an additional point.
For every 100 posts, your Reputation ratings are worth an additional point.
For ever 10 Reputation points you get from others, your Reputation ratings are worth an additional point.
You have to give Reputation points to 10 people before you can give more points to someone again.
Clear as mud?

[helen]

I guess the question in my mind is that when we first join up is our Reputation set to some value other than zero, because I find it hard to believe that I got 15 Reputation points. I know I got 3 Reputation entries (2 had green squares and 1 gray square, dates to them was around a week ago and I didn't see a new one yet which I assume Albert's didn't come through since he only made his 10th post today).

I haven't been on for 90 days nor have I posted 100 posts.

[Albert]

Well, it says you are "on a distinguished road", Helen. Not quite sure what that means, but I suppose it's better than Kuhio Avenue.

[Albert]

It also told me I had to spread some more reputation votes around before I can vote for you again, so that first vote must have taken.

[admin]

I guess the question in my mind is that when we first join up is our Reputation set to some value other than zero, because I find it hard to believe that I got 15 Reputation points.Very perceptive (or, well, good math)... you're right, new, validated members enter with 10 points to begin with.

I'm not sure what the different colored squares mean, or for that matter what 'on a distinguished road' means, unfortunately.

Let's see. Okay, there's a whole series: "is on a distinguished road," "will become famous soon enough," "has a spectacular aura about," "is a jewel in the rough," etc. There's only a few steps going the other way (down): "has a little shameless behaviour in the past," and "can only hope to improve."

The forum came prepopulated with a lot of odd things like that, and if anyone wants to submit an alternative series of escalating phrases that might indicate someone's rising or falling reputation, go right ahead!

[helen]

First off I am not concerned with my Reputation ranking. While it would be nice to have more points, I won't be sad if it went to zero, or even a negative value if that was possible (okay I be bad :rolleyes: ). I am kind of wondering if the Reputation part is working correctly. Not that I have the power to fix it but rather to compare notes with others.

Secondly when Ryan said that you can view your Reputation status in Control Panels, I have been checking it very time I use HawaiiThreads.

When I saw it I had 15 points and the following three entries:

green square - Reputation? - April 21st, 2004 8:57 PM - Here's an example thread comment
gray square - Reputation? - April 21st, 2004 7:46 AM
green square - Friday night on the #9 ... - April 19th, 2004 10:59 PM

So today this entry shows up:

gray square - PDA's. Pocket PC's, Oh ... - April 29th 2004 11:39 PM

What's really strange is that my overall Reputation points is still at 15. It should have been at 14 if I assume that a gray square is not good sign or 16 if the color of the square means something else and again I haven't been on for over 90 days or made a 100 posts yet to offset what might be a bad reputation post. Unless of course making the various posting levels might also add a point to it?

[admin]

Green square is a positive click. Grey square is a neutral click. Red square is a negative click. So, even if you have lots of grey squares, your total reputation points won't change.

The other reason numbers will be funny, again, is because some members' clicks will be worth more points than others.

If you're confused, don't worry, I'm learning about this along with you guys. There's a basic overview of the Reputation system in the FAQ (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?), but it isn't nearly as detailed as your questions!

[helen]

Green square is a positive click. Grey square is a neutral click. Red square is a negative click. So, even if you have lots of grey squares, your total reputation points won't change.

Okay that makes sense. If I click on those entries in control panel it will take me to the post that I did. If I click on the balance scale icon, the posts that were marked by the green squares says my post were somewhat postive while the gray squares say it's even.

The other reason numbers will be funny, again, is because some members' clicks will be worth more points than others.

So I guess since I started off with 10 points, between the 2 green square entries gave me the other 5 points.

If you're confused, don't worry, I'm learning about this along with you guys. There's a basic overview of the Reputation system in the FAQ (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?), but it isn't nearly as detailed as your questions!

Looked at the FAQ at least twice and it makes no references to the Reputation. Unless that section is only available to the administrator or moderator.

In the vBulletin FAQ I can see:

User Maintenance
Why should I register?
Does this forum use cookies?
How do I clear my cookies?
How can I change the information in my profile?
What is the signature for?
I lost my password, what can I do?
How do I add a custom status to my profile?
How do I get a picture under my username?
What are the buddy and ignore lists?

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Can I search the forum?
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What is Private Messaging?
How do I use the Member List?
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Reading and Posting Messages
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Why have some of the words in my post been blanked

[admin]

Hmm. There should have been something about it in the FAQ. Just for you, helen, I've written up a guide (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?faq=reputation) to the Reputation system. (I have no idea why it wasn't covered in the "stock" FAQ.) Let me know if anything's missing or unclear. Note that in putting it together, I learned some new things that haven't yet been covered in this thread.

[helen]

Thanks for getting the FAQ updated to include the Reputation system. I guess I will wait and see what happens when I reach the point of a 100 posts (which I am over half way there :rolleyes: ).

Of course this thread has helped in doing that.

[MadAzza]

is anyone else sick n tired of owen wilson's ubiquitous slit eye pucker face as much as i am? and his annoying low whisper dialogue delivery style.
jeez. he's wearing out his welcome.

You got a red mark on your post for *that (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5936%20)*?? For voicing an opinion about a movie actor?

I think those reputation marks are for wimps. It's like leaving an anonymous note on someone's windshield. "I don't have to guts to say this to your face, so I'll leave this note, then run away and hide."

So Kimo gets a "bad reputation" mark because someone else is too chicken*** to actually state publicly that he/she disagrees with Kimo's assesment of Owen Wilson's charm. Nice.

[kimo55]

You got a red mark on your post for *that*?? For voicing an opinion about a movie actor?

I think those reputation marks are for wimps. It's like leaving an anonymous note on someone's windshield. "I don't have to guts to say this to your face, so I'll leave this note, then run away and hide."

So Kimo gets a "bad reputation" mark because someone else is too chicken*** to actually state publicly that he/she disagrees with Kimo's assesment of Owen Wilson's charm. Nice.

and this one, too,

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=30892#post30892

if you can believe that.
snipers taking potshots.... dilutes the already dubious "reputation" grading system to irrelevancy.

[admin]

Reputation is linked to the user, not to the post.

The system is designed to prevent one person from having a noticable effect on another user's reputation. (You can't repeatedly give a positive or negative score, and your scores are weighted by your own reputation). It is a community-based measure of credibility and respect. And since you actually earn points simply by remaining a member and posting messages (without anyone using the Reputation system at all), it would take some pretty adverse circumstances to have your score actually go down from the 10 you get automatically the day you sign up.

I would respectfully submit that Kimo's post on Owen Wilson was probably not a key part of his current Reputation score.

Let's keep discussion of the 'Reputation' system in its own thread.

[kimo55]

I would respectfully submit that Kimo's post on Owen Wilson was probably not a key part of his current Reputation score.

but these, quizically are;

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=32034#post32034
http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=32151#post32151

[cezanne]

Oh I always wondered what that square is. I thought it meant whether or not that person was online.

[pzarquon]

Let's see... a chest-thumping post where you call someone a cholo (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cholo), and another where you attribute Jodi Leong's stage presence to gastrointestinal distress. I fail to see the problem.

Mind you, the latter might for others' simply be a playful, joking post. But within the context of your overall behavior on the board, I can see how someone might easily take it as malicious.

[kimo55]

I fail to see the problem.
apparently I fail, too.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Oh I always wondered what that square is. I thought it meant whether or not that person was online.No, the little circle right after your name shows whether you're online.

I still can't figure out what the relationship is between the number of green squares and your reputation. Most people have one green square, some have two. Kimo is one of the only posters to have a red square.

[pzarquon]

Oh I always wondered what that square is. I thought it meant whether or not that person was online.Nah! That's what the round dot (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=2206) is for!

We're all about the abstract shapes, here, y'know. :)

Fortunately, if you hover your mouse cursor over various elements, most of the time you'll see some kind of explanation pop up.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Fortunately, if you hover your mouse cursor over various elements, most of the time you'll see some kind of explanation pop up.Hey, did that hover-over thing always work? I never noticed it before. Cool.

[helen]

Oh I always wondered what that square is. I thought it meant whether or not that person was online.
The symbol for one being on-line is next to the name. If it's green that person is on-line, purple means that they are not or choose not to known on-line.

[helen]

I still can't figure out what the relationship is between the number of green squares and your reputation. Most people have one green square, some have two. Kimo is one of the only posters to have a red square.
I noticed that the ranks have changed recently on the squares. If you list the membership by their reputation and move the mouse pointer over the squares the ranks have different names now.

I can assume that for every 100 points of reputation you earn you get another square.

[cezanne]

The symbol for one being on-line is next to the name. If it's green that person is on-line, purple means that they are not or choose not to known on-line.
Looking at this page there seems to be a few shades on different dots. I guess mine is a dark purple, Helen yours and pzars is green at the moment, Glens looks something in between those two... :confused:

[Miulang]

whatevas. Surprises me how huhu people get sometimes about the comments posted ova here. Would be different if you knew these people in da flesh. Den you would know if their "online" persona was really how they were in real life.

Maybe back in the 90s most people were naive enough to wear their hearts on their sleeves when they went online. But nowadays, it's caveat emptor...take everything with a grain of salt.

It's not proper netiquette to flame people. It's OK to criticize the content of their comments, but why would you want to disparage the character of someone who you don't even know for expressing his or her own opinion just because you don't agree? I thought this was still a free country.

As Ryan continues to remind us, there is an "ignore" feature on this board. If you don't like what somebody is probably going to post, den put 'em on ignore. So what if Kimo has a "red" reputation? I'm surprised I still have a "green" one. I am who I am, and Kimo is who he is and you are who you are. We all gotta live on this big blue marble, and there's much more serious pilikia going on in the world and in Hawai'i nei than picking on each other about what we do/don't say on these threads.

Miulang

[admin]

I still can't figure out what the relationship is between the number of green squares and your reputation. Most people have one green square, some have two. Kimo is one of the only posters to have a red square.I'm not sure what the "exchange rate" is, either. Reputation moves very slowly (in part by design, and in part because of only sporadic use), and while there is a fair amount of graduation within the system (if you mouse over the squares, you'll see a summary of the poster's standing, with point cutoffs at 10, 50, 150, 250, etc.), the squares are only a broad overview.

In fact, we only recently started seeing people getting a second square - like you. Congratulations!

I'd much rather see the Reputation system used to reward people who make a positive contribution to the site rather than a method of criticism (and it's designed to be five times harder to move down than it is to move up), but it can be useful, either way. With a little more visibility, newcomers will know whether someone is speaking with any degree of authority or not.

FWIW, if you're curious, here's the breakdown as it stands now:



A very poor reputation (-50).
A poor reputation (-10).
A mediocre reputation (0).
A fair reputation (10).
A decent reputation (50).
A good reputation (150).
A very good reputation (250).
A great reputation (350).
An excellent reputation (450).
A spectacular reputation (550).
A community leader (650).
A pillar of the community (1000).

[kimo55]

Kimo is one of the only posters to have a red square.
I am colorblind, so, to me it's a nice mauve/taupe/avocado with a hint of turquoise.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I am colorblind, so, to me it's a nice mauve/taupe/avocado with a hint of turquoise.Oops, I spoke too soon. It's green now.

[scrivener]

It's OK to criticize the content of their comments, but why would you want to disparage the character of someone who you don't even know for expressing his or her own opinion just because you don't agree? I thought this was still a free country.
I have given negative reputation on occasion (more often than not, though, my attempts are thwarted because I've too recently given positive reputation to the same poster), and "getting huhu" had nothing to do with it. I come here for discussion, and appreciate viewpoints that are not my own. What I don't appreciate is the overly negative and unwelcoming reactions some people have sometimes, especially to newer posters. Again, differing opinions are great; derision is not in keeping with the community spirit.

[cezanne]

Oops, I spoke too soon. It's green now.
Aww man. I was just about to start a "Rep Point Fund Drive for Kimo" thread! :D

[lurkah]

I still can't figure out what the relationship is between the number of green squares and your reputation. Most people have one green square, some have two. Kimo is one of the only posters to have a red square.
An explanation for reputation can be found here (http://hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?faq=reputation#faq_reputation_what).

[cezanne]

What I don't appreciate is the overly negative and unwelcoming reactions some people have sometimes, especially to newer posters. Again, differing opinions are great; derision is not in keeping with the community spirit.

Cha-ching! Scriv get another rep point from me. I'm in total agreement with you.

[lurkah]

So what if Kimo has a "red" reputation? I'm surprised I still have a "green" one.
I'm surprised too. http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/smileys/smileylaughevil.gif

[kimo55]

Hey, did that hover-over thing always work? I never noticed it before. Cool.


on my mac, it takes a few seconds to display a balloon with the info.
so i never noticed it till was mentioned.


Just saw yer rep...

"His name is Glen Miyashiro....
He's got two squares, i think that's neato...."

as frank delima would say...

[pzarquon]

Would be different if you knew these people in da flesh. Den you would know if their "online" persona was really how they were in real life.But, as with any online community, most of what we'll ever know is what's posted online, and we choose both how we present ourselves, and how we interpret others' characters, in that context.

I have no idea if {x} is as friendly in real life as he is online, or if {y} really is as mean-spirited or judgemental. Knowing the Internet, of course, we can presume that any character quirk is probably exagerrated online, and that what we read on the web is probably nowhere near what we'd get face-to-face. But at HawaiiThreads.com, what's posted is all we've got (especially if you can't or won't join us at our in-real-life gatherings!). For better or worse.

I thought this was still a free country.It is, but (1.) a message board, chat room, or website is not a democracy, no matter how much its operators' might want it to be, and (2.) I think we all generally know to criticize opinions rather than people (it's in this site's guidelines, as it is in most). So much so that other users start taking on the role of moderators! :p But, we are just people, and people have personalities, and since we certainly can't strip our personalities from what we post, we have to allow for the fact that people are going to react to them, positively or negatively.
As Ryan continues to remind us, there is an "ignore" feature on this board. If you don't like what somebody is probably going to post, den put 'em on ignore.Except there has to be more than one solution. Imagine a community where a user is on everyone else's "Ignore" list. I think that community would have to take a look at that and ask why... also keeping in mind what new users, who've never heard of the "Ignore" feature, might think of the community as a whole (since they don't have the historical context everyone else has).

I think the Reputation system is a relatively useful and time-tested way of adding depth and context to an online community. But, like everything else, you can choose to ignore it. A good reputation, really, doesn't give you any reward more tangible than a green dot, and a bad reputation doesn't stop you from posting. Yet! :p

We all gotta live on this big blue marble, and there's much more serious pilikia going on in the world and in Hawai'i nei than picking on each other about what we do/don't say on these threads.Good lord, of coursethere are more important things "on this big blue marble." Let's have a bit of perspective here, okay? We should definitely get more worked up about starving children and pollution and miracles and great accomplishments. But right here, right now, we're talking about this site, this community, and what goes on within is a perfectly reasonable topic of conversation.

I admit it, I care a lot about what we do/don't say on these threads. I care about the people who post here (including you, Miulang), and I care about how we treat each other online, and how we treat newcomers. Is that so wrong? :D

[Glen Miyashiro]

Except there has to be more than one solution. Imagine a community where a user is on everyone else's "Ignore" list. I think that community would have to take a look at that and ask why... You mean, like how I only listen to NPR, and Mel only listens to KHVH? :D :D :D
(Yes, very off-topic, and inaccurate too, I know!)

I think the Reputation system is a relatively useful and time-tested way of adding depth and context to an online community. But, like everything else, you can choose to ignore it. A good reputation, really, doesn't give you any reward more tangible than a green dot, and a bad reputation doesn't stop you from posting. Yet! :pBottom line is, on the net, people judge you by your words, both what you say and how you say it. Tools like the Reputation dots might help if you're unfamiliar with the poster, but it's not hard to figure out how someone is after reading a few posts of theirs.

[helen]

You got a red mark on your post for *that (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5936%20)*?? For voicing an opinion about a movie actor?
I must be missing something, but unless Kimo told you that he recieved a negative reputation for that post, there is no way for you or anyone else (other than maybe the admin) to know which post of his got him that negative (or postive) reputation mark. However the square that is displayed on the post itself is the poster's overall current reputation.

I think those reputation marks are for wimps. It's like leaving an anonymous note on someone's windshield. "I don't have to guts to say this to your face, so I'll leave this note, then run away and hide."

From what I understand about the reputation system is what meant to award posters for posting accurate information, not their opionon on matters.

[kimo55]

I have no idea if {x} is as friendly in real life as he is online, or if {y} really is as mean-spirited or judgemental. Knowing the Internet, of course, we can presume that any character quirk is probably exagerrated online,


As we get to know each other, things mellow out. The rash judgements are well, too rash sometimes.
When a newbie logs on and someone sez;
No come ovah heah brah. too much peepz arready.
then we go back and forth and may find da bruddah is real akamai, and sensitive and open to learning, we back off.
no need huhu. it all works out. as someone ponted out, those that may come here, may not find it to their liking. those that end up here and prove to be cool and maybe an assett to the workforce, we find that out. and it may take a few paragraphs of posts to see beind the persona (Latin/Greek for mask)

[Miulang]

But, as with any online community, most of what we'll ever know is what's posted online, and we choose both how we present ourselves, and how we interpret others' characters, in that context.

I have no idea if {x} is as friendly in real life as he is online, or if {y} really is as mean-spirited or judgemental. Knowing the Internet, of course, we can presume that any character quirk is probably exagerrated online, and that what we read on the web is probably nowhere near what we'd get face-to-face. But at HawaiiThreads.com, what's posted is all we've got (especially if you can't or won't join us at our in-real-life gatherings!). For better or worse.

It is, but (1.) a message board, chat room, or website is not a democracy, no matter how much its operators' might want it to be, and (2.) I think we all generally know to criticize opinions rather than people (it's in this site's guidelines, as it is in most). So much so that other users start taking on the role of moderators! :p But, we are just people, and people have personalities, and since we certainly can't strip our personalities from what we post, we have to allow for the fact that people are going to react to them, positively or negatively.
Except there has to be more than one solution. Imagine a community where a user is on everyone else's "Ignore" list. I think that community would have to take a look at that and ask why... also keeping in mind what new users, who've never heard of the "Ignore" feature, might think of the community as a whole (since they don't have the historical context everyone else has).

I think the Reputation system is a relatively useful and time-tested way of adding depth and context to an online community. But, like everything else, you can choose to ignore it. A good reputation, really, doesn't give you any reward more tangible than a green dot, and a bad reputation doesn't stop you from posting. Yet! :p

Good lord, of coursethere are more important things "on this big blue marble." Let's have a bit of perspective here, okay? We should definitely get more worked up about starving children and pollution and miracles and great accomplishments. But right here, right now, we're talking about this site, this community, and what goes on within is a perfectly reasonable topic of conversation.

I admit it, I care a lot about what we do/don't say on these threads. I care about the people who post here (including you, Miulang), and I care about how we treat each other online, and how we treat newcomers. Is that so wrong? :D
As Scriv says, he comes here to learn things. So do I. So, I bet, do the majority of people. I just get irritated when people make offhand remarks about other people and not about what they're posting. Believe me, I can handle myself in any flame war, but what's the point? Perhaps sometimes the words come out wrong, but the intentions of most people on this board are honorable. I care about many of the people who post here, too.

I think you guys should get more worked up about protecting the land you call your home. I want to be able to move back there in a few years, and I'd like to have something to move back to.

My heart goes out to all of you who are working 2 or 3 jobs because you have to, to those of you who are squished into small apartments with exorbitant rents because that's all you can afford or find. Believe me, if I was in Hawai'i right now, I wouldn't just be writing on Hawai'i Threads. I'd be sitting in on City Council meetings, I'd be doing something more than passively saying "nothing can be done to change things."

I had an epiphany last night as I was driving home. I now have a sizeable collection of Hawaiian CDs, and I realized that most of the songs on those CDs(meaning sung in the Hawaiian language) had some reference to the 'aina (either the 'aina or a reference to a particular place in the 'aina). I don't know if any of you have ever noticed that. That tells me that even though you don't know it consciously, you are tied to the land. You should be taking care of your little part of your 'aina, so that 7 generations in the future, those people can still have the songs that talk about places they still can see. Yes, I am an expatriate of Hawai'i, and my heart is still in the 'aina.

Miulang

[helen]

Reputation moves very slowly (in part by design, and in part because of only sporadic use)
It's mostly because of sporadic use, aside from myself, scrivener is the only one who admitted that gives reputation from time to time. And with the exception of three users (kimo55 is not one of them) I have being given positive reputation for the past year.

[scrivener]

Two things:

First, if you look at the member list and sort by reputation, you'll see that the number of green squares doesn't seem to correspond to the reputation score. I got my second green square when I hit 100, but there are people with two squares who don't have 100 yet. There's got to be another factor.

Second, I like giving reputation, whether it's meaningful or not. When someone writes something especially clear and well-worded or clever, I go right for that scale icon. When someone finds the external link that answers the question that's being debated, I hit that scale, too. If someone makes me laugh out loud, I go for the scale. Maybe it's the teacher in me, but I think that especially good contributions should be recognized in some way, so I appreciate the avenue for doing so. I only regret that many of the posts I think are notable don't get recognized because of the restriction on spreading the wealth, but I'm not saying it's not a good restriction!

[helen]

Two things:

First, if you look at the member list and sort by reputation, you'll see that the number of green squares doesn't seem to correspond to the reputation score. I got my second green square when I hit 100, but there are people with two squares who don't have 100 yet. There's got to be another factor.

Because the reputation text level is at 50, 150, 250, 350, 450, 550, and 650, you won't see the change in text level when a new square is awarded at 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 reputation points. So the people who have two squares and the text still says "decent reputation (50)" have a score between 100 to 149.

[lurkah]

When a newbie logs on and someone sez;
No come ovah heah brah. too much peepz arready.
then we go back and forth and may find da bruddah is real akamai, and sensitive and open to learning, we back off.
In odda words, you run da newbies chru da gauntlet (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gauntlet) first. :D

[1stwahine]

I've been watching this thread from the sidelines. All comments well deserved to be thought about. We are Ohana. No ands, ifs, or buts! We may have our squabbles, disagreements and sometimes throw blows online...still we remain an Ohana that is very different from the many Forums that one can venture to. I have learned many things from hawaiithreads.com. In real life, my reputation is cruel and Bitchy. Here, I smiled when I see the words "decent," as my reputation. It is from hawaiithreads.com that I have learned to get along with others and to put mistakes to rest. Although Kimo had a red reputation square, he does bring a flare to the forum. Plus, he is intellegent for his own good. Yes, the ignore tool works wonders but I'm the first to admit that I do use it off and on depending who I disagree with at that time.

This past Saturday I met Shaveice to listen to Jdub at O'tooles. It is always great to meet members in person. To see who is behind that name on screen. I had a fun time with Shavevice. A gent, with a calming voice and proud father of seventeen month old Relm. I'm all for having periodically get-togethers so that we can meet each other.

We can say many things online. We can make ourselves seem harsh, kind or a bit on the extreme...please know that I honestly love each and everyone of you. Life is to short to be wasted on trivial things.

Auntie Lynn

PS. Ok, now click my scale so I get points! nah, joke!!!!!

[MadAzza]

I must be missing something, but unless Kimo told you that he recieved a negative reputation for that post, there is no way for you or anyone else (other than maybe the admin) to know which post of his got him that negative (or postive) reputation mark. However the square that is displayed on the post itself is the poster's overall current reputation.



Oh! Well, then.

(Emily Litella)
Never mind.
(/Emily Litella)

[pinakboy]

I've been watching this thread from the sidelines. All comments well deserved to be thought about. We are Ohana. No ands, ifs, or buts! We may have our squabbles, disagreements and sometimes throw blows online...still we remain an Ohana that is very different from the many Forums that one can venture to. I have learned many things from hawaiithreads.com. In real life, my reputation is cruel and Bitchy. Here, I smiled when I see the words "decent," as my reputation. It is from hawaiithreads.com that I have learned to get along with others and to put mistakes to rest. Although Kimo had a red reputation square, he does bring a flare to the forum. Plus, he is intellegent for his own good. Yes, the ignore tool works wonders but I'm the first to admit that I do use it off and on depending who I disagree with at that time.

This past Saturday I met Shaveice to listen to Jdub at O'tooles. It is always great to meet members in person. To see who is behind that name on screen. I had a fun time with Shavevice. A gent, with a calming voice and proud father of seventeen month old Relm. I'm all for having periodically get-togethers so that we can meet each other.

We can say many things online. We can make ourselves seem harsh, kind or a bit on the extreme...please know that I honestly love each and everyone of you. Life is to short to be wasted on trivial things.

Auntie Lynn

PS. Ok, now click my scale so I get points! nah, joke!!!!!

i did click da scale fo u auntie but nuttin wen happen!! wat stay broke??!! :eek: still get only one green square... :confused:

[lurkah]

i did click da scale fo u auntie but nuttin wen happen!! wat stay broke??!! :eek: still get only one green square... :confused:
http://www.ablewise.com/images/extra_icons/giggle.gif

[helen]

It should have given you another window that either says:

How you want to rate this post
you can't give reputation twice to the same post
You must spread your reputation around before giving it 1stwahine again
you can't give more reputation today

[lurkah]

It should have given you another window that either says:

How you want to rate this post
you can't give reputation twice to the same post
You must spread your reputation around before giving it 1stwahine again
you can't give more reputation today

I think he meant he was expecting it to turn red. :p

[helen]

The main reason is that pinakboy's ability to give reputation is at 2 points. This is because his base score is 1 plus 1 for making over 100 post (currently at 125 posts). Since 1stwahine is at 50 or more (at the most 99 points due to one only green square) points, those 2 points he gave her either plus or minus didn't effect her overall score that much.

[Miulang]

The main reason is that pinakboy's ability to give reputation is at 2 points. This is because his base score is 1 plus 1 for making over 100 post (currently at 125 posts). Since 1stwahine is at 50 or more (at the post 99 points due to one only green square) points, those 2 points he gave her either plus or minus didn't effect her overall score that much.
eesh! So complicated! Why can't we buy reputations, just like they do in politics? ;) :D

Miulang

[1stwahine]

Aye soos, maria osep! Too much PILIKIA...just put up annada green thingy! Nah, Helen just wanted to make everybody SMILE! Your explanation is great. Thanks. :)

Eh, thanks Pinakboy. I visited your site this morning, great recipes! ;)

Auntie Lynn

[helen]

First of all I never made up the rules, but it is spelled out in the FAQ (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?faq=reputation). For you Miulang when you give reputation that value today stands at 28 points. The breakdown goes like this for you:
1 - base score
24 - for posting over 2400 posts
3 - for the number of 90 day periods you have been around. Next month you earn another point on that basis since you joined in August 2004. Of course by that time you may have posted more stuff to make over 2500 posts.

[lurkah]

Why can't we buy reputations, just like they do in politics? ;) :D
And how were you planning to pay, by promising to FEDEX home-made manapuas again? :rolleyes:

[Miulang]

And how were you planning to pay, by promising to FEDEX home-made manapuas again? :rolleyes:
Eh Bruddah, wit you, da manapua and some gien doi thrown in foa good measure! :D Actually, if you really nice to me, maybe I bring some wit me to LV for da Ho'olaulea! You staying at da California, or wat? I staying da Strat...I can have da manapua chauffeured to your room, if you like. Or betta yet, I go to da top of da Strat and use dat boingy boingy ride and shoot 'em ova to your hotel...air mail! hahahaha.

Miulang

[helen]

I only regret that many of the posts I think are notable don't get recognized because of the restriction on spreading the wealth, but I'm not saying it's not a good restriction!
To get around that restriction is to give reputation to others and then later on after giving it to 9 other users you can give reputation to that person again. You don't have to give reputation right then and there, you can always do it later (assuming you remember to do it).

[MadAzza]

I like the idea of giving good reputations anonymously. It's doing something nice for someone, and they never know it's you, and that's cool. I just don't like the idea of people giving other people bad marks anonymously. Just my .02.

[Palolo Joe]

First of all I never made up the rules, but it is spelled out in the FAQ (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/faq.php?faq=reputation). The breakdown goes like this for you:
1 - base score
24 - for posting over 2400 posts
3 - for the number of 90 day periods you have been around.Wow, so being a post wh*** does have it's benefits. At least in this situation.

[Miulang]

Wow, so being a post wh*** does have it's benefits. At least in this situation.
And what exactly is your point? How many times have you posted something where you actually contributed information people could use and not just made snide comments?

Miulang

[helen]

Just so that we are clear here. The length of time of being a member here in HawaiiThreads and the amount of posts you do here does not influence your personal Reputation score which by the way can be shown in the User Control Panel. What the length of time and the amount of post you do influences the value of the Reputation you give to others.

[LikaNui]

I'm sorry (not really) but this whole thread (and the volume of posts it's generating) just makes me laugh. I mean, who cares all that much about their online "reputation"? Everyone uses a screen name, not their real name, so what does it matter? Yes, if someone is a raging flamer it's good for the newbies to realize that that person doesn't represent the rest of us, but then newbies don't know what those red and green squares mean anyway (unless they stumble across this thread).
In the department store of life your screen name "reputation" is in the toy section.
:p

[pzarquon]

I don't get why everyone is ragging on this thread because it's not important in the grand scheme of things. Of course it's not. It's just one of the elements of interacting in this community, and its nothing new in online communities in general. I wouldn't say it's important, but it falls somewhere between weird fun and helpful.

Reputation scores might have no impact on our "real lives," but this isn't our "real lives," anyway. (Hey, if there was a way to make a living existing entirely on a message board, I'd be the first to sign up.)

I'd also say it's not unimportant, overall. Community reputation scores are a big deal in things like Ebay, or any site where credibility and established respect plays a large part in how one approaches or deals with another member. I hope it is useful to newcomers, when they post the inevitable "I want to move to Hawaii" thread for example, that some of the most unpleasant responses come from people who clearly don't represent the overall spirit we've built here.

[sinjin]

So if an Ali`i tends to beach slap the odd knucklehead they deserve a bad reputation? Better a cyber-pounding than an actual one.

[kimo55]

I don't get why everyone is ragging on this thread

because it's such a strange oblique quirky grading thing and many are still trying to understand it. I still don't know what the slightly different shaded tiny round cornered squares represent.
It is explained to me, but thankfully people keeep adding to this thread and i think I am comprehending it slowly but surely., At least i am being entertained in the process.

[btwnc2c]

Let's see... a chest-thumping post where you call someone a cholo (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cholo), and another where you attribute Jodi Leong's stage presence to gastrointestinal distress. I fail to see the problem.

Mind you, the latter might for others' simply be a playful, joking post. But within the context of your overall behavior on the board, I can see how someone might easily take it as malicious.

I don't want to hash this out. My wrists were slapped in a way by my responding post (on that thread) but I just wanted to say, thanks for pointing that link out. You are one of the few people here that has a lot of sense, is credible and well-spoken. Maybe some people are unfamiliar with the term or use it loosely. And that's why it kind of riled me. Here's a decent and apparently successful poster asking a decent question and he gets a flippant response. Maybe I just over-reacted. But you have to speak of what you know first-hand. Maybe he does. I don't know. But for my part, I lived in So. Cal for 15 years around in the cities that had large Hispanic populations...Carson, Gardena, Lawndale, Hawthorne. It doesn't get more gang-related than that! I worked at a site for the phone company in East L.A. Montebello, man, right on Whittier Blvd. We'd come into work on Monday after the weekend, and our building's parking lot would be full of empty beer bottles they'd toss there because they'd sit on the stone wall fronting our building, watching the infamous low-riding cruise down Whittier on Saturday nites. Does he know what a "cholo" really is or the connotation? I know first-hand...unfortunately, my younger sister in LA gang-banged with the Hispanic low-riders, the jumping in, the clothing, the tattoos, everything the "cholos" personify. And also, she was fatally shot in the back of the head in a drive-by shooting by a rival gang. Those are "cholos" and their culture! Enough said. Just be aware of what you say or call people. And I don't think I'm being over-sensitive on this one. Maybe the original poster didn't take offense but I did and also the cheap "Charlie Chan" imitation. Great. I'll probably be taken to task again for "hurling an insult" which is why I was going to take a respite from this forum. Oh, well. *Peace sign* Off the bandwagon...and utilizing my "Ignore" button from now on.

[scrivener]

You are one of the few people here that has a lot of sense, is credible and well-spoken.
Forgive me for going slightly off-topic here, but while you're more correct than you could know about Pzarquon being all of these things (well, depending on how you define "sense!"), I don't think it's fair (or very nice) to say he's "one of the few people here" to have these qualities. If you honestly feel this way, I don't think you've read enough of what's been written here in the last fifteen months, and I'd encourage you to continue to poke around. I suppose this is why the weight of reputation points awarded is greater for people who've been here longer; the implied experience SHOULD carry more weight.

I understand the intended spirit of your post, but don't you think that casually labeling the vast majority of the people in this community un-sensible, incredible, and not-well-spoken is perhaps as not well-considered as casually tossing out a word like "cholo?"

[btwnc2c]

Why are we quibbling anyway? You were exactly one of the ones that I thought of that's eloquent and knowledgeable in your posts. Apparently I'm remiss if I didn't give kuddo's to all in that vein? You assumed I meant that everybody else was this or that. Never mind. I didn't realize I had to acknowledge everyone. I just wanted to at least acknowledge one. Well, can't win 'em all. I'm spending too much time and energy either on the offense and defense here. Adieu...good luck to you all hashing it all out....whew.

[kimo55]

hype ur SEN suh tive!

[Mokihana]

I had an epiphany last night as I was driving home. I now have a sizeable collection of Hawaiian CDs, and I realized that most of the songs on those CDs(meaning sung in the Hawaiian language) had some reference to the 'aina (either the 'aina or a reference to a particular place in the 'aina). I don't know if any of you have ever noticed that. ... Yes, I am an expatriate of Hawai'i, and my heart is still in the 'aina.

Miulang

Great post... I was showing some kids and their parents how to make candy lei one day recently, and telling them about the whole concept of lei-giving. I brought along some of my gazillion Hawaiian CDs (traditional Hawaiian music), and tried to show the difference between the Hawaiian music, which talks about the ‘āina, the flora and fauna, the love for all of them; the connection to the land, to the people, to the kupuna and to traditions. I compared it to most mainland music which glorifies love, sex, violence, :eek: (I hear it at the gym all the time!), aggression, one-upmanship, and "I'll get you before you get me". There is music about spiritual things, and it's wonderful stuff; but as far as the connection to the land and traditions, etc, there is nothing. The kids and the adults, while good listeners, could not relate to what I was saying. It was as if I were speaking a foreign language which, is reality, I was, I guess. I was speaking English, but I might as well have been speaking Hawaiian. I have never heard a song about the glories of Mount Hood, or the Columbia River Gorge, Mount St Helens or the fir trees, sunsets and waterfalls, all of which are spectacular.

I find that it's very difficult for mainlanders to understand the connection, that we, as kama‘āina have for the land of our birth. I find this (so far) to be exclusive to the people of Hawai‘i among the people that I have met over here. I'm not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere; I'm saying I haven't met any people but those from home who understand what I'm talking about.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I have never heard a song about the glories of Mount Hood, or the Columbia River Gorge, Mount St Helens or the fir trees, sunsets and waterfalls, all of which are spectacular.

I find that it's very difficult for mainlanders to understand the connection, that we, as kama‘āina have for the land of our birth. I find this (so far) to be exclusive to the people of Hawai‘i among the people that I have met over here. I'm not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere; I'm saying I haven't met any people but those from home who understand what I'm talking about.Have you listened to much country music? I don't care for it much, but some of those guys have just as much love for the rolling hills of Appalachia, or that blue Kentucky grass, as any Hawaiian singer does for the rainbows above Wai'ale'ale or the misty rains of Mānoa.

[cezanne]

It's kinda odd to see how some seemed to go from green to red and vice versa overnight. What's to stop people from bombing someone's rep points just because they don't like the person?

I think the idea is pretty cool but how accurate it is, I'm not sure. It wasn't a big deal for me until *gasp!* I got one bad rep point for something I thought was kinda dumb lol. Is there an appeal process that we can go through? haha

[Mokihana]

Have you listened to much country music? I don't care for it much, but some of those guys have just as much love for the rolling hills of Appalachia, or that blue Kentucky grass, as any Hawaiian singer does for the rainbows above Wai'ale'ale or the misty rains of Mānoa.

I have listened to some of it, not a lot... and you make a good point. Do you think it's as prevalent in country music as it is in Hawaiian music?

Love your reference to Mānoa Valley... it's where I was raised.

[lurkah]

I think the idea is pretty cool but how accurate it is, I'm not sure. It wasn't a big deal for me until *gasp!* I got one bad rep point for something I thought was kinda dumb lol. Is there an appeal process that we can go through? haha
It reminds me of da olden days system of using merits and demerits or pasting da different color-rated (bad to good) stars next to your name up on da classroom bulletin board. You can appeal all you like but da ansah going always be NO...unless you get really good at shining da teacha's shoes. :D

[Mokihana]

It reminds me of da olden days system of using merits and demerits or pasting da different color-rated (bad to good) stars next to your name up on da classroom bulletin board. You can appeal all you like but da ansah going always be NO...unless you get really good at shining da teacha's shoes. :D

So u going tell us how many an wat color stars u wen get? Oa u wen shine da teacha's shoes?

[lurkah]

So u going tell us how many an wat color stars u wen get? Oa u wen shine da teacha's shoes?
I was too busy writing 1000 times on da blackboard someting I no can remembah right now. :confused:

[Mokihana]

I was too busy writing 1000 times on da blackboard someting I no can remembah right now. :confused:

Oh, I bet I know wat was...

I will nevah call da teacha one stupidhead again.

As why hahd, brah, as why hahd. :D

[Palolo Joe]

And what exactly is your point? How many times have you posted something where you actually contributed information people could use and not just made snide comments?Go search for some of my previous posts. My point was (and still is) pretty clear: In terms of doling out reputation, being a post wh*** does have it's benefits.

[Miulang]

Go search for some of my previous posts. My point was (and still is) pretty clear: In terms of doling out reputation, being a post wh*** does have it's benefits.
And you're a nimrod who wears tight shoes. LOBNAH

[Palolo Joe]

Now that's a post that deserves some negative repuation... too bad I already gave you some today...

[Miulang]

Now that's a post that deserves some negative repuation... too bad I already gave you some today...
Now I know it's only you who's been cowardly enough with the negative crap. I will consider the source of the negatives now and laugh myself silly. bahahaha!

[Palolo Joe]

Ahahahahaha... the pot calling the kettle black again...

[Stephen]

Does the reputation really matter? I want to be super red - like four or five squares. Can you guys blow me up? I want to look like a bad guy.

Mahalo - heh hee

[helen]

I am going to gently remind that for the purpose of this thread we should be discussing the Reputation feature of the Vbulletin software (which is what HawaiiThreads is using). Granted there are more important things in life than this feature and if wish to discuss those things then create those threads in other forums of HawaiiThreads where they do belong, but for here, let's stick to the topic at hand which is the Reputation feature.

For the Miulang vs Palolo Joe disagreement, I have this to say. Palolo Joe since your current reputation score is below 10, I am surprised the Vbulletin software didn't say anything to you about not being able to contribute to someone's reputation. So this means Miulang should have check the User CP, look at the score and to see if their are any entries with gray squares, that would have been from Palolo Joe. If you are getting any red square entries it's from someone else other than Palolo Joe.It's kinda odd to see how some seemed to go from green to red and vice versa overnight. What's to stop people from bombing someone's rep points just because they don't like the person?
The system is designed to prevent one person in the short term from rapidly changing the reputation scores for the entire userbase. At the most one person can change 10 different people in a 24 hour period. There is no safeguard that I am aware of in which a group of people are trying to gang up on a person to give that person either a good or bad reputation score.

As far as the oddness of someone going from green to red back to green in a short while, well between the top 10 posters on HawaiiThreads can give reputation anywhere from 10 to 28 points at one time.I think the idea is pretty cool but how accurate it is, I'm not sure. It wasn't a big deal for me until *gasp!* I got one bad rep point for something I thought was kinda dumb lol. Is there an appeal process that we can go through? hahaWell one suggestion is post more good stuff as opposed to posting bad stuff and hopefully people will see this and give you good reputation for it.First, if you look at the member list and sort by reputation, you'll see that the number of green squares doesn't seem to correspond to the reputation score. I got my second green square when I hit 100, but there are people with two squares who don't have 100 yet. There's got to be another factor.You got three green squares now. I take it your score is now over 200 but under 250?I like the idea of giving good reputations anonymously. It's doing something nice for someone, and they never know it's you, and that's cool. I just don't like the idea of people giving other people bad marks anonymously. Just my .02.There is a comment field so if you want to identify yourself in the reputation you could do so. Also you don't have to give bad reputations you can choose not to give a post your reputation mark on it.It reminds me of da olden days system of using merits and demerits or pasting da different color-rated (bad to good) stars next to your name up on da classroom bulletin board. You can appeal all you like but da ansah going always be NO...unless you get really good at shining da teacha's shoes.
I guess the Reputation is more or less a merits/demerits system but it's not the teacher who is given them out but rather your classmates (or in this case your peers) that is giving those merits/demerits.

[Palolo Joe]

What could have been one post turns into five.

I'm starting to get the hang of padding my post count. Gotta make it so my reputation votes mean more... lots of haters on these boards.

[admin]

Palolo Joe, stop being an ass.

Helen is a moderator. Post count and reputation is irrelevant. And if you haven't noticed, multiple posts are frequently combined later, anyway.

I think the reputation system is working perfectly. Kimo was modded down over a long period of time, but was redeemed fairly quickly. Meanwhile, to date, no one has been marked for unhelpful contributions more than you, which is particularly ironic considering how often you assume the role of message board cop.

It's also a shame, as you have a lot to contribute when you're not snarking at other users.

[lurkah]

"Louie (http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/thumbnails/150thumbs/178396.jpg), I think this is the beginning
of a beautiful friendship."
http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/graphics/motorcyclecartoon.gif

:p
I posted that hoping that maybe some light humor might help to diffuse the situation a little more and perhaps create an opportunity for ho'oponopono (http://www.alohaplentyhawaii.com/hoopono.htm) -- and instead end up getting sniped with a bum "Rep" from somebody. Whoever did that, could you please stop? Bumbye you going make me cry. http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/smileys/smileylaughing2.gif

[MadAzza]

I posted that hoping that maybe some light humor might help to diffuse the situation a little more and perhaps create an opportunity for hoopono -- and instead end up getting sniped with a bum "Rep" from somebody.

Aw, that's too bad. You can protest a bad rep, I think.

[helen]

The post below came from this thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5962).

I posted that hoping that maybe some light humor might help to diffuse the situation a little more and perhaps create an opportunity for ho'oponopono (http://www.alohaplentyhawaii.com/hoopono.htm) -- and instead end up getting sniped with a bum "Rep" from somebody. Whoever did that, could you please stop? Bumbye you going make me cry.

For each post that you do, each user can give you a reputation only once, be it good or bad, so there is no point in making a plea to that someone who gave you a red square to stop, because they can no longer give you more reputations for that post. Also that same some one can not give you a reputation on some other post that you made for at least other 24 hours.

As a suggestion you should be aware of your reputation score that is listed in the User CP and notice the changes in it, if your score went down by one or two points I won't worry that much and just move on.

I wasn't the one who gave you the bad reputation but if I had to make a guess as to why you got it, even through your attentions was to diffuse a situtation between 2 people who was hurling insults at one another, both them and you were posting off-topic stuff in a thread that was taking about stolen cars. Again this is a guest on my part.

[Tiger Beer]

I'm on another board.. there is an option to steal $$ from other posters. If you do and fail, then your reputation points will go way down into the negative!

[lurkah]

As a suggestion you should be aware of your reputation score that is listed in the User CP and notice the changes in it, if your score went down by one or two points I won't worry that much and just move on.
Okay, so for example, say that my point score is currently 50. Does this mean that my reputation indicator stays green until my points dip below zero, and that other users can only affect my score +1 or -1 within a 24-hour period?

[helen]

Okay, so for example, say that my point score is currently 50. Does this mean that my reputation indicator stays green until my points dip below zero,

Yes. Also you will notice the number of green (or red) squares is different for each user. The number of squares is a quick rank on who has earned their reputation from other users of HawaiiThreads.

and that other users can only affect my score +1 or -1 within a 24-hour period?

No.

A user can only give their reputation power to a post once and that's it. The next time that user can give you their reputation power on some other post that you have written is 24 hours later and have given 10 other users their reputation power. A user's reputation power initially starts at 1 power point and will increase in the number of post they have written and the length of time they have been on HawaiiThreads. For every 100 posts they have written 1 gets added to the their reputation power point. For every 90 days being on HawaiiThreads another 1 gets added to their reputation power point.

To have a better feel for the reputation power point the 20 people who have participated in this thread so far, which seems to be a good range of values is listed below.

I am going to list their reputation power point and the number of colored squares that they have. The reputation power point level will take the form of the base plus the 100 post bonus plus the number of 90 days bonus and the actual total.

helen - 1+11+5 = 17 (1 green)
admin - 4 (1 green) - see note #1
pzarquon - 1+21+5 = 26 (2 green)
Albert - 1+6+5 = 12 (2 green)
MadAzza - 1+1+3 = 5 (1 green)
kimo55 - 1+23+3 = 27 (1 green)
cezanne - 1+2+3 = 6 (2 green)
Glen Miyashiro - 1+10+5 = 16 (2 green)
Miulang - 1+25+3 = 29 (1 green)
scrivener - 1+5+5 = 11 (3 green)
lurkah - 1+1+4 = 6 (1 green)
1stwahine - 1+12+2 = 15 (1 green)
pinakboy - 1+1+0 = 2 (1 green)
Palolo Joe - 1+1+4 = 0 (1 red) - see note #2
LikaNui - 1+4+4 = 9 (1 green)
sinjin - 1+0+1 = 2 (1 green)
btwnc2c - 1+0+3 = 4 (1 green)
Mokihana - 1+1+5 = 6 (1 green)
Stephen - 1+0+0 = 1 (1 green)
Tiger Beer - 1+0+0 = 1 (1 green)

Note #1: I think the admin account has a set level that is not influenced by the post and time bonus that the rest of us has. I am guess it's at 4 but I don't know if it's valid or not.

Note #2: If Palolo Joe had a green square then his reputation power point would be at 6, but since he has a red square any reputation he awards to anyone will be zero (and hence will show up as a grey square).

The FAQ also states that there is another bonus. For every 50 reputation points you get from other members your reputation power point goes up by 1. I didn't factor those bonuses in the above list.

and that other users can only affect my score +1 or -1 within a 24-hour period?
The reason why I am quoting this passage again is because I need to say while a user can only give their reputation power points to a post only once, other users can give their reputation power points to that same post, and there is no time restrictions on that. But once those users give their reputation power point to that post, that's it, it's done.

[lurkah]

Mahalo, Helen, for taking the time to post such a detailed and thorough explanation! :D http://ohanalanai.com/lanai/images/smilies/shaka.gif

[kimo55]

Mahalo, Helen, for taking the time to post...



yea thanks. helps me unnastand it more. But the rep points system still confusing in it's intent and is so open to abuse;
lately, thru it, I was called a mormon with a red mark, and another red mark in response to my post on Jamba juice's use of King Kamehameha's personal war god in their merchandise/decor... and the c.s. writes: "You complain of images being misused while you choose different ones to misuse." where's the integrity in that? No sense of standing up for their beliefs as vacuous as they may be... by discussing it in the forum. Simply their peashooter potshot performed in a lowlife anonymous manner which sez; they hide behind the outhouse wallowing in their own effluvia and have no thoughts of their own, but they disagree with my perspective and will punish me if they can, for their lack of mental wherewithall and acuity. Like an insignificant insect buzzing around that will soon be forgotten, they try to leave a mark in the most unproductive way.
Oh... and no, this is not a complaint. Simply an observation of the human animal that, at worse, is just slightly entertaining...

[Menehune Man]

I've gotten a grey box(?) and a red one in my reputation list. But don't know what was disagreed with in the respective posts so have no way to address the concern at hand. Truthfully I prefer when I was just an unknown quantity. :rolleyes:

[Miulang]

I've gotten a grey box(?) and a red one in my reputation list. But don't know what was disagreed with in the respective posts so have no way to address the concern at hand. Truthfully I prefer when I was just an unknown quantity. :rolleyes:
I found out da grey box is a bad mark given to a post by someone who has a minus reputation or no reputation at all; that means, those don't count against your "reputation" (whateva that means).

I figga if you feel secure in your own skin, small manini mosquito bites lidat no mean anyting as long as what you posting are your own thoughts and opinions. Posting is a way to express yourself, so don't be intimidated. I believe most of the people at HT are sincere and honorable.

Miulang

[helen]

I found out da grey box is a bad mark given to a post by someone who has a minus reputation or no reputation at all; that means, those don't count against your "reputation" (whateva that means).

While a grey box is a neutral mark, neither good or bad, the value of that reputation is zero. It doesn't change your reputation score. All it does mean is that the person who attempted to give you reputation is ineligible to give reputation, either because their own reputation score is less than 10 or their post count is less than 10.

[scrivener]

I found out da grey box is a bad mark given to a post by someone who has a minus reputation or no reputation at all...
I'm pretty sure the grey box is the result of positive OR negative feedback.

[Miulang]

I'm pretty sure the grey box is the result of positive OR negative feedback.
Based on the snide commentary that accompanied the grey box, my guess is that the feedback was most definitely negative! ;)

Miulang

[helen]

Look on the bright side. While the comment for that reputation mark sounded negative, the score for that reputation mark is zero, so no changes to your reputation score. And since that person who marked that post of yours with their 0 reputation score, they can no longer mark it again should they be eligible to give reputation.

[cezanne]

I'm pretty sure the grey box is the result of positive OR negative feedback.
What I thought was a red mark is actually a gray one, but the commentary was positive so yeah I guess it can be either.

[helen]

I found this out over the weekend while going through vBulletin support forum:

If you give a negative reputation to a post, the score given to it will be half of your reputation power. For example if your reputation power is at 10, if you give a negative reputation to a post you will giving that post a -5 to it.

[1stwahine]

Helen, What if someone recieved one negative and got a grey box...there's no comment in the box to say why the negative mark was given. Ok, ok, someone gave me a "negative" for a post. I could care less about it but I would appreciate the courtesy on why it was given so that I can better myself in expressing my views so that others will be able to respect my input. I know I am not as edumacated as most of you but I have the belt of Life tuck somewhere in my whacko brain when it is working. I have come a long way in expressing and remaining focus on what the threads are about. I only post when I can contribute whereas in the beginning, I posted in each thread. So, if you must post a negative on me...have the guts to leave a comment so I won't make the same mistake again.

Thank you,
Aunty Lynn

[MadAzza]

Helen, What if someone recieved one negative and got a grey box...there's no comment in the box to say why the negative mark was given. Ok, ok, someone gave me a "negative" for a post. I could care less about it but I would appreciate the courtesy on why it was given so that I can better myself in expressing my views so that others will be able to respect my input.

Auntie, consider it a badge of honor and move on. Irritating someone who doesn't have the 'alas to leave his/her name isn't something to "fix" by changing the way you post. As you can probably figure out, I've gotten a couple of negatives, too ... it stopped bothering me when I realized the motivation. Heck, I'll probably get one for this post! Life's too short to worry about such manini stuff. Aloha.

[kimo55]

even tho... that's 1stwahine's job.

[1stwahine]

Auntie, consider it a badge of honor and move on. Irritating someone who doesn't have the 'alas to leave his/her name isn't something to "fix" by changing the way you post. As you can probably figure out, I've gotten a couple of negatives, too ... it stopped bothering me when I realized the motivation. Heck, I'll probably get one for this post! Life's too short to worry about such manini stuff. Aloha.

Mahalo MadAzza! ;) I needed to ventilate but if I ever find out who it was %$*&#@ B*%^&$&*!!!!! And a couple of whack whacks to your freakin head!!! :rolleyes: :mad: Now a cyber drink to you alls! Mmmmmm....taste good.

Auntie Pupule

[1stwahine]

even tho... that's 1stwahine's job.

BroKimo, don't you even start! MYOB and be nice!

Lynn

[kimo55]

yea. ok. luvya too.

[helen]

Helen, What if someone recieved one negative and got a grey box...there's no comment in the box to say why the negative mark was given. Ok, ok, someone gave me a "negative" for a post. I could care less about it but I would appreciate the courtesy on why it was given so that I can better myself in expressing my views so that others will be able to respect my input. I know I am not as edumacated as most of you but I have the belt of Life tuck somewhere in my whacko brain when it is working. I have come a long way in expressing and remaining focus on what the threads are about.
On any reputation mark you recieve you can click on the title of the thread and it will take you to the actual post that the reputation mark was given for. You could try to re-read that post to see what might have cause someone to give you that reputation mark.

I only post when I can contribute whereas in the beginning, I posted in each thread. So, if you must post a negative on me...have the guts to leave a comment so I won't make the same mistake again.

That's why you should try to re-read the post in question, any post that you do is eligible to get reputation, someone could have given you on an old post that you did.

[1stwahine]

On any reputation mark you recieve you can click on the title of the thread and it will take you to the actual post that the reputation mark was given for. You could try to re-read that post to see what might have cause someone to give you that reputation mark.



That's why you should try to re-read the post in question, any post that you do is eligible to get reputation, someone could have given you on an old post that you did.

Yaeh, It was a new post from last week. I re-read alright! So the person can use profanity and still be able to post? Rules and regulations sometimes don't go hand in hand. Oil and water! Ssshhhh!!!!

Lynn

[Menehune Man]

I'm back to just writing what I think and don't care what sort of rep I get. When I joined I felt comfortable to write whatevers, I defended my opinion when attacked, but when with this new "rep" situation it started me wondering what will "others" think. I've seen how people's reps have been attacked because others didn't agree with their opinion, so I will just no longer play this game. :p

[kimo55]

uh, wot game, bud?

[Palolo Joe]

Uh, the game of using reputation to further personal attacks against users... don't think it happens? Come read the spew posted on my User CP. Then again, I'm sure you already know what some of it says...

A big HOWZIT to all the other haters on HT... keep it up!

[1stwahine]

only you can read your comments palolo joe! you should see the ones i get. lol

[Palolo Joe]

Can't be that bad if you still get green squares... I keep teetering between a poor rep and being "infamous in these parts" because of a few people with enough posts to really make those negative votes count.

Remember, being a post whore makes a difference when it comes to reputation...

[lurkah]

only you can read your comments palolo joe! you should see the ones i get. lol
How many marriage proposals you wen get, Auntie? :p hee hee

[1stwahine]

uh? none? why? i suppose to get one? from who? tiny tadani? hahahahah! he married eh? ROFLMAO! plus i no like his name...hahahahahah!

[MadAzza]

Uh, the game of using reputation to further personal attacks against users... don't think it happens? Come read the spew posted on my User CP. Then again, I'm sure you already know what some of it says...

A big HOWZIT to all the other haters on HT... keep it up!

Hey, I left *nice* comments for you once! Even after you were snarky to me. I just can't resist a snark, I guess. Ha!!!

[1stwahine]

Ok, and I'm guilty the one who sent the one today saying, "i'm tired of seeing red!" it was ment as a positive and a friendly reputation not a negative one.

Auntie Lynn

(shut-up lurkah)

[lurkah]

(shut-up lurkah)
http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/smileys/smileygagged.gif

[1stwahine]

how do you do dat? das why dey call you lurkah! you pop up all the right time in just about all the places. odd, strange, spooky......."normal!"

[Menehune Man]

It's okay Palolo Joe. I think the whole "Reputation" thing is useless. Don't let it get you down or stop any true opinion you've got. Jus' givum brah!

[Pikake]

Where's the ni-ni bottle, da diaper and da binky...???

[Palolo Joe]

MadAzza and Aunty Lynn, I'm not talking about you... could pretty much tell when you weighed in. I'm talking about curse words and names that would bring people to blows if used in real life, face to face.

Buddy, I ain't worried at all. I follow the rules and back off whenever the big bad Admin decides to slap me around a bit. The situation is what it is.

But I am working on building my post count, for the day far far away when my reputation votes will count, instead of showing up as a poor little gray box... :cool:

And Pikake, I hope your crybaby comment wasn't directed at me. With just 38 posts, you haven't been around these parts long enough. Unless you've been reading all the old stuff - but I don't think you have.

[Pikake]

And Pikake, I hope your crybaby comment wasn't directed at me. With just 38 posts, you haven't been around these parts long enough. Unless you've been reading all the old stuff - but I don't think you have.
Dude - you're trippin! I'm not the one counting post and reps and making wee wee about it. You need to chill out!!! Those numbers don't mean crap to me - having x amount of post and one small green square doesn't make me who I am. So go dig it!
I'm here to have a good time and be in touch with my "island roots" - and I don't think I need to read them thousands of post to be apart of this "Ohana" so again go dig it! Better yet since you seem to relate my comment to yourself: go and daiper yourself, drink your ni-ni bottle, when pau stuff the binky in your mouth and go moi. Good Night!

[Menehune Man]

Let's vote on whether or not we would like to ask the Admins to remove the "Reputation" system.

[admin]

The results of the poll might be interesting, but I'm not going to remove the reputation system anytime soon. I feel it's functioning exactly as designed. You can use it, or dismiss it as silly, childish, or irrelevant, and ultimately participate or ignore as you so desire.

And Pikake, quit with the "dig its" and childishness to counter childishness. If you think the system is silly, fine. But leave the personal needling out of it. Unless you were cleverly trying to demonstrate the kind of post the Reputation system was designed to mark, of course. :p

[Glen Miyashiro]

One thing to keep in mind. HawaiiThreads.com, like any other online forum, is not a democracy. It is run by the Admin; whatever he says, goes.

[admin]

All your base are belong to us!

I really would be curious to see just how overwhelming the results might be, so I'm certainly not nixing it. I just didn't want to get detractors' hopes up.

To be sure there's some misuse of the reputation system. But (as explained in nauseating detail, at times, earlier in this thread) it's designed to ultimately reflect sentiment in aggregate, collectively. Two people can dink each other all they like, but any real movement requires a greater consensus.

I think I should emphasize more the importance of using the reputation system to reward good posts, but it's not surprising to me that overall it's seen as a reporting system for bad posts. For some online community systems, that's all there is!

[Leo Lakio]

Gotta admit, it's sad that some people think that the number of posts you made or the color of your squares determines the value of your opinions. Kinda like "size queens" --- or racism.

[kimo55]

ok, gotta ask.
HOW can the rep system be equated with racism?

[LikaNui]

I think I should emphasize more the importance of using the reputation system to reward good posts Yes. I'm hoping that even more people will give me reputation points for the Tiny Tadani thread!
:D

[Leo Lakio]

ok, gotta ask.
HOW can the rep system be equated with racism?
Fair question. Some posters here have made it clear that they feel the value or weight of other posters is directly affected by qualifiers such as how long you've been a member of HT, how many times you've posted, or your reputation rating.

That's the same as assuming someone's value to any community is determined by similar factors, such as how long your ancestors have lived in this region. I live in a city where more residents came from elsewhere than grew up here, and there is a notorious attitude of "I'm here now, but shut the door behind me, before anyone else moves here." (Which, I suspect, might amuse my Blackfeet ancestors.)

Or worse: "this neighborhood was fine, until the (insert choice of ethnic slur here) moved in." It happens everyehere on the Mainland; it happens in Hawai`i - any time you generalize people based on their ethnicity, it is racism, and it isn't the exclusive domain of haoles.

I didn't say the rep system is racist, only that there are similar behaviors, as when people classify others based on the qualifiers I mentioned above. I certainly disagree with some of the opinions expressed by posters on HT, but I would never claim that they have less value, simply because they registered for the site later than I did. That is ignorant behavior, as is the childish name-calling or cyber-threats of violence common to so many internet boards.

Fortunately, there seems to be a large group of people on HT who do not sink to such levels (which is why those who do stand out so.) Many posters here seem to be interested in a higher level of intelligent and open-hearted discourse; is it an ignorant generalization on my part to wonder if that is a trait more common amongst people who are linked to Hawai`i?

And we have moderators - that always helps. :D

[Glen Miyashiro]

Fortunately, there seems to be a large group of people on HT who do not sink to such levels (which is why those who do stand out so.) Many posters here seem to be interested in a higher level of intelligent and open-hearted discourse; is it an ignorant generalization on my part to wonder if that is a trait more common amongst people who are linked to Hawai`i?I think it's fair to say that here in the islands we are often wary and skeptical of outsiders. Sometimes, it's even justified.

[Leo Lakio]

I think it's fair to say that here in the islands we are often wary and skeptical of outsiders. Sometimes, it's even justified.
I'd buy that - particularly considering the history of the Islands.

I have certainly experienced mistrust from members of the Hawaiian communities with which I am involved, both on the Mainland and in the Islands. And I don't fault them for it at all. In most cases, however, they have given me ample opportunity to earn their trust, and to show that my interest in their history and culture is driven neither by greed nor a desire to pretend to be "one of them." To others, I will always be an outsider; nothing I can do to change that (or more than a century of history), short of being who I am, and being respectful of them as well.

But I have found people in the Hawaiian music and hula communities to be very welcoming, in general - and those are the communities with which I have the most connection. They teach me what it means to "live aloha" at a deep, daily level.

I have a lot more to learn than I do to teach. That's one of the reasons I wouldn't boycott an HT poster (or make their messages invisible); I want to read what they have to say, even if I'm in disagreement.

[kimo55]

the value or weight of other posters is directly affected by qualifiers such as how long you've been a member of HT, how many times you've posted, ...

That's the same as assuming someone's value to any community is determined by... how long your ancestors have lived in this region. ...any time you generalize people based on their ethnicity, it is racism, and it isn't the exclusive domain of haoles.




... you can't get there from here...

[Leo Lakio]

... you can't get there from here...
Seems like a pretty easy step, once you take off the blindfold.

[Miulang]

Regarding reputations, consider the saying by Dale Carnegie (and paraphrased later by John Wooden):
"Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are
--Dale Carnegie..."

Miulang

[kimo55]

in other words, don't believe your own press kit.

[Miulang]

in other words, don't believe your own press kit.
You got it, and it's not a Toyota, either! :D

[kimo55]

you've won... a toy yoda!

[HaolewaiianGirl]

you've won... a toy yoda!

LOL! Toy yoda.... :)

I think everyone (Leo) is thinking this rep thing too much. I think its good to have. Its like all info. You decide what to do with it. Better to have it than not to. I can look and see the length of time a person has been here, how much they've posted in that time, and the feedback on post quality. That's great! I also like being able to see what people have liked about things I've said.

I'm pretty new here. See keiki status. But no one has "descriminated" against me or my posts cuz I was new... or cuz I'm haole for that matter. Anyone reading that stuff in is just plain silly.

I like all the people I've talked to on here so far too anyway. I don't let a rating decide for me. I think we're all good boys and girls who can look at the info and make our own decisions... right?

[HaolewaiianGirl]

Oops... I meant BIG boys and girls, not "good boys and girls".... *sigh* Can you tell I'm blonde? Maybe there should be a ditz reputation score... I'd make ali'i on that scale! hehe :rolleyes:

[Palolo Joe]

Dude - you're trippin! I'm not the one counting post and reps and making wee wee about it. You need to chill out!!! Those numbers don't mean crap to me - having x amount of post and one small green square doesn't make me who I am. So go dig it!
I'm here to have a good time and be in touch with my "island roots" - and I don't think I need to read them thousands of post to be apart of this "Ohana" so again go dig it! Better yet since you seem to relate my comment to yourself: go and daiper yourself, drink your ni-ni bottle, when pau stuff the binky in your mouth and go moi. Good Night!
Hey Pikake, I tried to be nice, but now you can just kiss my ass.

If you bothered to read my posts, it's pretty clear that I'm not bitching and moaning about the reputation system. As I said before, it is what it is.

I think the system is flawed, and I also think there are a few select users who abuse it every chance they get. It hasn't stopped me from stating my opinion, and it sure as hell hasn't stopped me from backing down when confronted by idiots.

And since you don't want to bother reading old posts, I'm pretty sure your ignorant attitude won't change. And that's fine. No wonder you moved to the mainland - you've got the same I'll-do-it-how-I-want-and-it's-tough-shit-for-you attitude that's prevalent up there.

It's amazing too, because I think we have the same friends in common from when you worked at Worlds. Gotta go ask Rick and Buti about you. Was Danette there yet when you left?

Keep having a good time here on HT. You just have no business in this particular thread.

[Stephen]

Maybe a little off topic . . . . on the intro page, I posted some psuedo smart ass Napoleon Dynamite "ish" post about how cool I am. Someone gave me negative feedback. Why didn't they give me negative feedback in this thread when I asked for it. 26 more days till I land on O'ahu. So will I be in or on O'ahu?
Ragin Cajun

[Glen Miyashiro]

You'll be in the state of Hawai‘i, and you'll be on the island of O‘ahu.

[kimo55]

I don't let a rating decide for me.

what rating system?

[HaolewaiianGirl]

what rating system?
The reputation ratings. If I let em decide for me, I'd be hiding from you Kimo! hehe :D

[kimo55]

The reputation ratings.
what reputation ratings. I don't see no reputation ratings.

[HaolewaiianGirl]

what reputation ratings. I don't see no reputation ratings.

The little green squares on the top right side of your posts. What, you thought they were nicorettes?

[kimo55]

The little green squares on the top right side of your posts. What, you thought they were nicorettes?
I don't see no reputation square thing. Nothin li dat here. No, we ain't got that, never will. it don't exist. just a dream. you are getting sleepy, pay no attention to the nicorette behind the curtain...

[HaolewaiianGirl]

Hey you're right! I am sleepy... Who told? It was the nicorette wasn't it... That little bastard... ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

[kimo55]

well, hell, halloweengurl, it's one a.m. there!

[HaolewaiianGirl]

ick.... yes it is. I'm going to bed. G'night. Gonna have nightmares about nicorettes telling me how bad my posts are... and how I don't belong in this thread. hehe Peace out.

[lavagal]

ick.... yes it is. I'm going to bed. G'night. Gonna have nightmares about nicorettes telling me how bad my posts are... and how I don't belong in this thread. hehe Peace out.


I'm just trying to figure out your sig file. An homage to our Kimo? ALREADY? Crack me UP! Kimo you are such a flirt!

[kimo55]

Kimo you are such a flirt!
eh.
i nevah did NAHteeng!

[1stwahine]

Hi everybody! wat happen? did I miss something good again?

Auntie Lynn ;)

[kimo55]

don't say it helen. it will drift back on topic.

[helen]

I'm back to just writing what I think and don't care what sort of rep I get. When I joined I felt comfortable to write whatevers, I defended my opinion when attacked, but when with this new "rep" situation it started me wondering what will "others" think.

First of all the reputation system is not new, it has been here for as long as HawaiiThreads been active. This thread started in April 13, 2004 and there were 20 responses to this thread, that ended in April 30, 2004.

If you don't care about your reputation status, then you have nothing to worry about because I don't think HawaiiThreads is set to prevent you from posting stuff if your reputation status falls below a certain level.

yea thanks. helps me unnastand it more. But the rep points system still confusing in it's intent and is so open to abuse;

It takes a while to get the hang of it, but the intention is for the registrated users of a forum (in this case it's HawaiiThreads) to award reputation on a post they feel is informative. Of course one user's view of what a post is informative may not be the same as another user's view.

Running through HawaiiThreads list of users one gets the following as of 8/31/05:

number of registrated users - 1,291
number of registrated users who can award reputation - 197 (note #1)
number of registrated users who can recieve reputation - 721 (note #2)
number of registrated users who currently have postive reputation - 143
number of registrated users who currently have negative reputation - 27
number of posts - 32,030

Note #1: This is defined as anyone with 10 or more posts and their current reputation score is 10 or more (text level says "fair reputation (10)").

Note #2: Anyone with at least one post. This means we have 570 registrated users who hasn't posted a thing.

What I don't know is how many registrated users actually use the reputation system but is meant for the registrated user base to use. The more people that use it wisely the more likey they will be able to offset the people who don't use it wisely.

[kimo55]

It takes a while to get the hang of it, but the intention is for the registrated users of a forum....


ok, now i steh more confoozed.
Is that a high rated registered user?!

[helen]

Ahh, there are two different numbers for registrated users. The main page for HawaiiThreads says it's 1,582 but if you look at the Members List page it says 1,291. I used the Members List numbers for my basis. As to the difference, I guess it might be to users who tried to register but didn't complete the verification process.

[kimo55]

cool
the;
No, remove it.
bar is growing.
shoot dat mofo system (of a) down.

[Menehune Man]

Hi (Admin), The poll is neck and neck at this time. 13 fors and 12 againsts. I suggested the voting to see what people thought of the idea. Thanks for leaving it go. Sure stirred up alot of "thoughts". Of course I realize that your site is not a democracy and stated that the poll was to find out if we should ask anything of you. Again mahalos!

[helen]

I think the system is flawed

How is it flawed?

[kimo55]

uuummm... this much

[helen]

Hi Helen (Admin), The poll is neck and neck at this time. 13 fors and 12 againsts. I suggested the voting to see what people thought of the idea. Thanks for leaving it go. Sure stirred up alot of "thoughts". Of course I realize that your site is not a democracy and stated that the poll was to find out if we should ask anything of you. Again mahalos!
I am not the admin, the user known as pzarquon is the administrator of HawaiiThreads. While I am a moderator, my powers is really limited, I can only close or open threads and that is about it, everything else pzarquon does.

As far as the reputation system is concerned my role is just trying to understand how this feature works. It's tool that is available for the users to use to rate other users' post.

[Palolo Joe]

How is it flawed?

Go read my older posts.

[helen]

Are you talking about this post (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=37315&postcount=152)?

Which is where I quote it from originally, which is response #152 in this thread. Unless there is some other post in this thread you are referring too that I am not obvious to me?

[Palolo Joe]

Posts. As in plural.

So no, I'm not talking about that post.

[helen]

The only point I know you make a few references about is the point about the number of posts that factors into one's ability to give reputation to others (and again it's one of three factors that goes into the calculation of the amount of reputation power one can give). Is that flaw in the system that you are taking about? If so why is that flaw?

[Leo Lakio]

I think everyone (Leo) is thinking this rep thing too much.

Methinks you are right. Kimo55 has the right attitude: "I don't see no reputation square thing," etc.

[Leo Lakio]

Seems like a pretty easy step, once you take off the blindfold.
In retrospect, that sounds WAY too preachy for me - I apologize.
Judge, please ask the Clerk to strike that quote from the record.
*BOP!* Owwwww!!!!

[HaolewaiianGirl]

I'm just trying to figure out your sig file. An homage to our Kimo? ALREADY? Crack me UP! Kimo you are such a flirt!
hehe Actually it says that because my first post on HawaiiThreads Kimo tore me a new one right off the bat. We scuffled a bit and everyone said, "There he goes again. That's kimo!" I didn't need to look at no rep nicorettes to know me and Kimo were gonna get along just fine. :)

[lurkah]

I just received an email from someone here on HT saying that they themselves had rec