"Heroes" - Season 2 on NBC

[helen]

The second season of Heroes (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0813715/) starts on Monday September 24. Since the original Heroes thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=9762) had over 300 responses it would be best to discuss the second season of Heroes here. If you want to discuss the first season episodes further the original thread is still open.

[Random]

What I want to know is why Hiro's idol, Takezo Kensei, is not Japanese but gaijin?

Is Mohinder hell-bent on treating the HEROES superpowers as a genetic disease that needs to be eliminated?

Will Ando exhibit any power?

Will Parkman's baby exhibit any power?

Will Claire move on with her life or will she search for her biological family, namely Peter and Nathan Petrelli (currently MIA)?

Will Kristen Bell be playing a good HERO or a bad one?

Will Jessica be having more split-personality episodes?

Will there be an Academy for "Gifted Children" for Jessica's son and Molly (the human tracker)?

Will Hiro's first love, Charlie, come back to life? (I missed her.)

Will there be Filipino, Hawaiian, and/or Chinese HEROES?

[Peshkwe]

It's on tonight, with no commercials, so get your snacks and settle in. :D

[Random]

That's okay. I developed a habit of taping my favorite shows. Tonight, I programmed my VCR for three hours of NBC programming.

My only problem is flipping channels between ABC and CBS. Also a bummer, at 9pm, I'll be flipping between CSI: Miami and KIKU's One Boyfriend Down.

[Peshkwe]

I must have misheard, there are commercial breaks but it's like in a big block of em. It must have been 'limited' commercial breaks...the girls were fussing at each other.

Kids...

Gotta love em

'Cause ya can't muzzle and duct tape em to the wall.

[Vanguard]

Bennet working at a Kinko's derivative was hilarious.

[helen]

David Anders (used to be Mr. Sark in the series Alias) playing Hiro's hero was kind of interesting.

I guess the person who threw off Hiro's dad from the roof is the same person that Molly is dreaming off.

[Lei Liko]

That's okay. I developed a habit of taping my favorite shows. Tonight, I programmed my VCR for three hours of NBC programming.

My only problem is flipping channels between ABC and CBS. Also a bummer, at 9pm, I'll be flipping between CSI: Miami and KIKU's One Boyfriend Down.

I DVR-ed CHUCK, Heroes, One Boyfriend Down, and the Hills tonight. I just got done with Heroes, and now it's time for last night's KIKU programs. I don't think I'll be getting any sleep this week.

Here I go again with this damn show...one more season of yelling *@#($@#$^!!!! at the TV at "...To Be Continued"

[alohabear]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070920/newcast_l.jpg
EW has the scoop on all the new heroes, including a pair of "WONDER TWINS".
Here's the LINK (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20058002,00.html)

[DaFerret]

While I liked last night's episode, because I'm a Heroes Junkie, I felt they introduced too many plot points at the same time. My head was spinning trying to keep up with the going ons.

Previews of next week's show seems to make it action packed!

My thought on Hiro and Takezo Kensei... (spoilered for those that didn't see the episode, yet)
My gut tells me Hiro will take up the reins of being the "real" Takezo Kensei. And I hope there's a connecting plot that gives proper reason for Hiro to be in feudal Japan and not just because it's cool and funny.
*edit* Reading the link by alohabear, it seems I may be wrong about Hiro and there will be a real plot tie-in.


A little off topic... I like the concept of Chuck better than Jake 2.0 and Journeyman was pretty interesting. There goes 3 hours on all following Monday nights.

[Peshkwe]

TEKEZO KENSEI - (David Anders)

Except, in reality, ''he is a drunk Englishman and a hired hitman, essentially,'' says Anders (Alias). But he does have powers, and when they're revealed, Kring says, ''they'll have major ramifications for the entire Heroes world.''


Any bets on whether Hiro takes over for his 'hero' becoming the Kensei of the legends causing Euro-Kensei (Anders) to get totally torqued and flip over to the big time dark side rather than stay on the small player opportunist side.

Kind of a mutant Hatfield and McCoys...the extreme edition.

[kiwidiva]

It must have been 'limited' commercial breaks

Yes, limited commercial breaks... am I the only multi-tasking heroes fan?

I was waiting for the ads so I could finish cooking my dinner, pull a load out of the washer, tidy up and do the million and one other things I usually do while I'm "watching" TV...

With 'limited' ads I ended up missing a lot and now have to watch it again online or catch the replay on Saturday...

Heroes is the kind of show where you really have to pay attention... I never thought I'd say this but BRING BACK THE ADS - I need the breaks or nothing will get done in my house on a Monday night!

[helen]

Why I do get the feeling that Peter's situation in Ireland is not an accident.
So Claire can regrow body parts
The Haitian is back
Is Claire's flying classmate a plant?

[Vanguard]

Why I do get the feeling that Peter's situation in Ireland is not an accident.

Because he was handcuffed to a container while wearing the Haitian's "godsend" necklace? ;)

The Haitian is back

The Haitian Sensation that's Sweeping the Nation !

Is Claire's flying classmate a plant?

He's just a perv that likes floating by the windows of pretty girls. I certainly hope he's not a company plant. It would be too much like Antitrust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_%28film%29).

[pzarquon]

The second episode was stronger than the first, so we're sticking with "Heroes" for the near term. There still seems to be too many threads coming in at once, especially given how frayed things were at the end of Season 1. "Wasn't he dead? Didn't she forget everything? Didn't they meet before? Oh, that was in the flash forward that ultimately didn't happen."

It's messy, but still fun.

There should be a Nissan Rogue drinking game (same rules as last year's Nissan Versa drinking game!).

[Vanguard]

There should be a Nissan Rogue drinking game (same rules as last year's Nissan Versa drinking game!).

Absolutely! I'm just waiting for the writers to find some way for Hiro to plug Nissan in the 17th century. :p

Favorite line of the night; "Why does he keep saying his own name?"

[helen]

Episode for today


DL Hawkins is dead
Sylar is alive, but still healing after 8 operations to repair the stabbing damage he took. Plus the powers he took are gone.
West reveals to Claire that he can fly
Hiro sends Ando messages inside the sword's handle
Nichelle Nichols makes an apperance taking care of Micah
Maya's power kills people while Alejandro undoes it
Isaac painted 8 scenes showing deaths of various people. One was about Hiro's dad and the one of Mr. Bennet himself with Claire overlooking.

[shaveice]

The second episode was stronger than the first, so we're sticking with "Heroes" for the near term. There still seems to be too many threads coming in at once, especially given how frayed things were at the end of Season 1. "Wasn't he dead? Didn't she forget everything? Didn't they meet before? Oh, that was in the flash forward that ultimately didn't happen."

It's messy, but still fun.
.
sorry for this very naive question; i like the series but haven't watched an entire episode since season two started (will try to catch up online). in an online interview, the creator said that the stories of season two would NOT be a continuation of season one (can't find that interview now, but even this article is enuf to support that idea: http://www.tervoo.com/blog/blogEntry.php?id=24). anyway, my naive question is: is it apparent that season two is NOT a continuation of season one? from what little i've seen, it appears that it is a continuation (even tho there are new characters; that is, the storyline seems to be the same).

anyway, i haven't watched an entire episode yet so i could be wrong. just wanted some clarification. thanks!

[pzarquon]

There are new characters and new plots, but there's definitely continuity from Season 1. It's just hard for me to remember, considering the spider web of twists and turns.

Last night's episode wasn't bad. I loved that Sylar woke up "in Maui."

[helen]

I wonder where in the world Sylar actually is? Maybe in the jungles of the Amazon. Well for sure he was in no shape to kill Hiro's dad. And I take it the company must have kept Sylar alive for some reason.

[shaveice]

There are new characters and new plots, but there's definitely continuity from Season 1. It's just hard for me to remember, considering the spider web of twists and turns.


i see. in that case, that talk of season two not being a continuation of season one is just wrong. hmmmm. i wonder why they would say that? no matter. i'll see if i can catch up. thanks.

[helen]

Well there are two things from season 1 that haven't been addressed yet in season 2 which are:
1) Nathan status as a US congressman. Did he drop out or did he accept it what was a rigged electron.
2) I really don't know how close the rest of the city knew about the events at Kirby Plaza, that at the last minute a nuclear type blast was moved away from the city. Or no one has looked into a sky blast that would have been visible to a lot of people.

[Vanguard]

I wonder where in the world Sylar actually is? Maybe in the jungles of the Amazon. Well for sure he was in no shape to kill Hiro's dad. And I take it the company must have kept Sylar alive for some reason.

I'm not entirely convinced that Sylar is seeing the real thing, or if he really killed Candice. Although, the body of her real self looks like the "real" Candice shown in the Heroes comics (which you can find on the Heroes website) before she started using her powers.

If what Sylar experienced really occurred, I would guess Amazon as well. Like where Ryu went in Ninja Gaiden 1 :p

[zff]

......or no one has looked into a sky blast that would have been visible to a lot of people......I realize a bustling modern-day New York is a far cry from sleepy 1960s Hawaii, but it seems an atmospheric nuclear blast has gone unnoticed before.

In the early 60s, the government detonated a nuclear bomb above the atmosphere near Hawaii. It created a spectacular light show, an artificial Borealis and caused all kinds of electrical problems. Yet, I've asked several people who were old enough to remember it, and not a single one remembers seeing or hearing of anything about it; neither the light shows nor the various electrical problems afterwards. Curious. (Perhaps I should start a thread and ask here.)

The operation was called Starfish Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime).

[Kelly0040]

My husband and I finally got on the Heroes boat since Lost isn't on til next year. We just finished the first season thanks to Netflix and just caught up with season 2.

-I like Claire's old boyfriend better than this flying dude.
-I hated Claire's dad sooo much, and now I think he's sooo nerdy cute.
-When Hiro is happy, I'm happy! When Hiro is sad, I am sad. I want to be Hiro for Halloween. <3<3<3.
-Sylar creeps me out every freakin time I see him. And I dont think Candice is dead, either.
-I kinda liked Officer Parkman at first, but more and more, I find him annoying. Mohinder is starting to annoy me, too.

I had to giggle when I saw Ando in a McDonald's commercial. I was like omgggg he has the power of the Big Mac ... harharhar

Like Lost, Heroes leaves us with a ton of questions. I feel like we're torturing ourselves with tv or something

[Vanguard]

-I like Claire's old boyfriend better than this flying dude.

Which one? Claire's sexually confused friend Zach or the waiter Andy who was a Zack Morris clone in the episode Five Years Gone? :p

-When Hiro is happy, I'm happy! When Hiro is sad, I am sad. I want to be Hiro for Halloween. <3<3<3.

On HT, every day is Halloween for me :D Hiro remains my favorite character.

-Sylar creeps me out every freakin time I see him. And I dont think Candice is dead, either.

I'm also inclined to think that she's not really dead. She had to have known that Sylar would try something like that. Also, it may not have been Candice in the first place. I believe the big villain, the one who has been killing the older Heroes, the one that Molly is afraid of, has access to multiple powers; illusion is probably one of them.

[Random]

TEKEZO KENSEI - (David Anders)

Any bets on whether Hiro takes over for his 'hero' becoming the Kensei of the legends causing Euro-Kensei (Anders) to get totally torqued and flip over to the big time dark side rather than stay on the small player opportunist side.

Kind of a mutant Hatfield and McCoys...the extreme edition.
BTW, it's TAKEZO ... like Musashi's name before he became the Miyamoto Musashi.

I think Hiro will tag along as Kensei's sidekick and only steps in when things go wrong, until Kensei is on the right history/legend track.

[Random]

My husband and I finally got on the Heroes boat since Lost isn't on til next year. We just finished the first season thanks to Netflix and just caught up with season 2.

-I like Claire's old boyfriend better than this flying dude.
From season 1? He's more of a boy-buddy than a boyfriend. The kid actor got a new regular gig in FOX's midseason replacement The Sarah Connor Chronicle (a TV spin-off of the well-known Terminator film franchise).

-I hated Claire's dad sooo much, and now I think he's sooo nerdy cute.
He's still a wildcard.

-When Hiro is happy, I'm happy! When Hiro is sad, I am sad. I want to be Hiro for Halloween. <3<3<3.
Great. That's what I need, every "Hiros" showing up my door yelling "Yattai!" :rolleyes:


-Sylar creeps me out every freakin time I see him.
If you think that's creepy, wait'll he do a sex tape. :p

Although it would be a lot better than Dustin Diamond's (aka Screech from Saved by the Bell).

-I kinda liked Officer Parkman at first, but more and more, I find him annoying. Mohinder is starting to annoy me, too.
They haven't gotten on my nerve yet. Sad to hear that Parkman is divorced though. But glad he stepped up to be Molly's guardian (or one of the two, Mohinder being the other).

Like Lost, Heroes leaves us with a ton of questions. I feel like we're torturing ourselves with tv or something
True, but it's much cheaper than those "dungeon" sessions ... um, so I've heard. :p

[helen]

For the episode aired 10/15/07.


Nathan seems to have some legal issues with his family.
Maya and Alejandro find Sylar lying on the road.
Matt and Nathan knows each other's power.
While Hiro's dad and Peter's parents knew one another, it seemed that Peter didn't know about the Nakamura's.
Matt's dad is part of the parent group of 12 and he is the one scaring Molly.
I only count 4 of the parent group that has passed away. Nathan's mom makes 5, Bob (Molindar's boss) is number 6 and Matt's dad is number 7. That leaves 5 people unaccounted for.

[zff]

When did Mohinder and Parkman become a couple? :D

[DaFerret]

Heroes is beginning to remind me of Gen13.

Still good stuff though.

Amazing how Sylar got to a road where he could be picked up when last we saw him was in the middle of a large expanse of forest. Or was that an illusion?

I still think Sylar should be dead. Like Garland, he was the first boss that the Heroes needed to beat to get to the meat of the story, past the "Prologue".

No Nikki or Peter this past episode and now the cousin shows to have some powers. I hope they don't overflow the casting and become convoluted with too many ends to tie up.

[Vanguard]

I still think Sylar should be dead. Like Garland, he was the first boss that the Heroes needed to beat to get to the meat of the story, past the "Prologue".

Garland, the boss in Final Fantasy 1? Nice reference :p To counter that, the party does have to go back to Garland's castle to reach the final boss realm :p Speaking of Final Fantasy, someone on TwoP said Monica's power is a lot like Gogo's from FF6, I liked that reference as well!

Sylar has such a huge fan following, I would fear the stampedes of fangirls worldwide if they ever killed Sylar permanently. That said, I hope they can find more villains, but of course, that would mean cast overflow, which brings us to this;

No Nikki or Peter this past episode and now the cousin shows to have some powers. I hope they don't overflow the casting and become convoluted with too many ends to tie up.

Takezo and Monica are my favorite new characters of the season. Bring back Hiro from Japan, another great character who should stay; have Sylar de-brain Maya y Alejandro; and have West die in a freak accident while he's gazing into Monica's window in NOLA. Or have HRG pull a "your last thought!" on West. That also works for me :P

[hawaiidreamin]

Has anyone been able to view this series? Maybe it's just my computer???

http://www.yamagatofellowship.org/videoEvents.shtml

[Vanguard]

I managed to watch every video as soon as they were released.

It sounds like you're missing a plugin. Also, try accessing the page with firefox if you haven't already.

[hawaiidreamin]

I did try with Firefox thanks and now I can watch...I will be catching up later for sure now... :)

[helen]

Well one thing is for sure this season's chapter of "Generations" is living up to it's name.

So is Matt's dad targetted picture for real or just a ploy?
So the girl trying to find Peter, it seems that her and Peter tangled before since Peter has her powers. And who is her dad?
Kind of wondering how the company knew of Monica since Molly has been unavailable for quite some time.

[Adri]

Regarding Micah and Monica When Monica began exhibiting her power I recalled (I think, unless I'm just disremembering) that Micah had earlier touched her back like he touched the tv. I wondered if he had somehow triggered her latent power or if he somehow rewired or reprogrammed her body or manipulated the way her body works the way he can manipulate machines. I was a little disappointed when the storyline seemed to indicate that Monica's power was the result of the power, manifesting differently as it does, just runs in the family.

[Vanguard]

Kind of wondering how the company knew of Monica since Molly has been unavailable for quite some time.

Perhaps the Company got access to the Suresh algorithm capable of generating "The List"?

Plus, Molly is very young, so before Molly, they must have had other ways to know about evolved humans.

[DaFerret]

Well one thing is for sure this season's chapter of "Generations" is living up to it's name.

So is Matt's dad targetted picture for real or just a ploy?
So the girl trying to find Peter, it seems that her and Peter tangled before since Peter has her powers. And who is her dad?
Kind of wondering how the company knew of Monica since Molly has been unavailable for quite some time.
My immediate assumption was the bald guy that's running the Company (I don't know his name; he hired Mohinder and was being strangled by Nikki).

I'm still trying to figure out if Matt's dad is really the killer or not. The figure that pushed Mr. Nakamura off the side didn't seem to have the same girth as Matt's dad. However, they showed that his talent can manipulate the minds of people... so maybe?

[helen]

That would be Bob, the one with the power to trasmute objects.

[Vanguard]

I'm still trying to figure out if Matt's dad is really the killer or not. The figure that pushed Mr. Nakamura off the side didn't seem to have the same girth as Matt's dad. However, they showed that his talent can manipulate the minds of people... so maybe?

I think the big bad is the guy who took the photo of the 12 Oldies :cool: The most obvious suspect may seem unlikely -- who was the first one to claim the red symbol being used in all the "target" photos?

As for Monica, I remembered something. Linderman had extensive background on DL and Niki. They portrayed it as if Linderman had orchestrated them to get together. So it's not unheard of that they are aware of some talent on DL's side of the family. In that case, the question is, why not now, and not before? Perhaps Monica's name was monitored and the moment it was caught on a police blotter (fast food employee fights back armed gunman), the Company moved to action.

[DannyWilliams]

I have yet to miss an episode so good thing I can play catch up online cuz "1" tv in the house and it was tuned in to DANCING WITH THE STARS :rolleyes:
Anyways I watched the show on NBC's site which IMO needs work. The streaming is very bad and took me a couple of times to actually see 99.9% what was aired this past monday. But the stream quits when Bell is commanded by Daddy to Come Home Now! Sooooo from what I read from another message board site that I am on Daddy was not revealed yet.
Did I miss anything from the last 3 minutes?


:curious:

[808shooter]

My wild guess is that Takezo Kensei is the killer.

He can't be harmed by physical damage - that includes cellular degeration (old age)

He lives till modern times and has become evil and unbalanced.

[helen]

Missed the first 15 minutes of tonight's episode but I am wondering if Hiro's "White Beard" bad guy makes it to the 21st century?

And it seems that this year event that the Heroes have to stop is a plauge that threatens New York.

[pzarquon]

Another flash forward to a decimated New York, revealing a catastrophe that our heroes need to avert? Didn't we do this last season? And the wonder twins? The incessant "LOST" parallels suggest that they're NBC's equivalent of Paolo and Nikki... which gives me some hope for an early demise.

My wife is now officially watching "Heroes" under protest. I feel like I'm watching now only to see how bad it can get.

[helen]

Looks like 808shooter's guest is right. Now what really causes the plauge. The one that the company made or Maya's?

[Random]

Looks like 808shooter's guest is right. Now what really causes the plauge. The one that the company made or Maya's?
I'm trying to remember the first two episodes of HEROES season 2, when Hiro met his idol Takezo Kensei for the first time. Did Takezo introduced his real name to Hiro?

[helen]

Tonight's episode tells show what really happened to Peter and Nathan and to DL. DL's passing was really bizzare, like he failed to phase out when the guy shot him.

[Adri]

I wondered about DL not phasing when he got shot as well. I guess he was just taken by surprise. But I somewhat expected Niki to revert to Jessica when that guy killed DL. I was glad to take a break from the cheerleader and flyboy. I don't understand how Claire could go from being self sufficient, cautious when she was waitressing and had a fiancee to being a bratty, reckless, rebellious teenager with a puppy love. I must have missed whatever caused the noticable reduction in maturity in Claire. But overall, the various side stories are tying in neatly into one overall plot.

[Vanguard]

The twins back story? Bo-ring! Alejandro's bride looked a little like Maya :eek: Maya's power must be the ability to bore people to tears. In that case, Alejandro's power would be to stop it by breaking to a commercial or transitioning to a more interesting Hero.

Instead of Maya y Alejandro, they should have used that air time to explain how Matt and Mohinder got together, or what happened to Sylar right after episode 1.23.

I hope DL's demise is only some obscure reference to him catching the virus. That death was so pointless. What's next? Hiro dying from falling cubicle walls?

[Peshkwe]

Dunno if you all caught this...but there may be some hope for the show:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

[pzarquon]

Yeah, Tim Kring gets credit for basically owning up to the mess that's been Season Two so far. But I still don't know if it's enough to save the show. I mean, basically they've come to realize that they did not get the same audience that "LOST" did, and fans are not half as patient or willing to piece random pieces together.

But it's been a mess until now, with flashbacks and flashforwards and superfluous characters and scenes, and there are "only three more episodes" until the shocking finale that wasn't even supposed to be a finale. I suspect this batch, on balance, is an unmitigated disaster. And I don't know if folks will come back for the "retooled" show.

[helen]

I don't understand how Claire could go from being self sufficient, cautious when she was waitressing and had a fiancee to being a bratty, reckless, rebellious teenager with a puppy love. I must have missed whatever caused the noticable reduction in maturity in Claire.

Claire being a waitress and a fiancee was a flash forward to 5 years
after the Kirby Plaza incident where New York did explode.

[Random]

I must be so cruel because I really do not like flyboy West. I can only handle one flyboy and that's Nathan Petrelli.

Of all the stories this season or thus far, I prefer Hiro's traveling back to meet his idol.

I have a feeling that we're going to see the main cast downsized. It worked in the first season, but now everyone have chosen their favorite hero and prefer to see more of their favorite being aired.

[salmoned]

I'd like to see them add a hero with extraordinary intelligence - capable of comprehending the significance of every butterfly flutter. That person could be pursuing obtuse lines of action which culminate in show cruxes.

I guess it's too much to ask - the possibility that superintelligence might be a natural, evolutionary development. No, flying is much more plausible - who hasn't dreamed of it.

Persons with super powers lacking super intelligence we have already - they're heads of state and industry. Unfortunately, we rarely discover them to be heroes.

[Random]

I'd like to see them add a hero with extraordinary intelligence - capable of comprehending the significance of every butterfly flutter. That person could be pursuing obtuse lines of action which culminate in show cruxes.
Bring back a MacGyver genius?

How do you portray a super-genius without turning the audience off or make them fall asleep as he presents a page-long thesis presentation on butterfly flutter? Also not look like Professor Eppes in a rival network's TV series, NUMB3RS?

[Vanguard]

I'd like to see them add a hero with extraordinary intelligence - capable of comprehending the significance of every butterfly flutter. That person could be pursuing obtuse lines of action which culminate in show cruxes.

Intuitive Aptitude is Sylar's ability, and what disappoints me is that they don't show him using it for anything besides seeing people's abilities in their brains (to grab the ability for himself) and fixing Chandra Suresh's watch in "Six Months Ago".

And Charlie had didactic memory.

What I'd like to see is probability alteration. A lucky hero. If someone tries to shoot him, the gun will jam. :p

I really thought this was going to be Linderman's ability before it was revealed that he could heal.

[Random]

I really thought this was going to be Linderman's ability before it was revealed that he could heal.
Come to think of it, what episode did Linderman exhibited his power?

[Vanguard]

Come to think of it, what episode did Linderman exhibited his power?

.07%, episode 1.19.

[salmoned]

Bring back a MacGyver genius?

How do you portray a super-genius without turning the audience off or make them fall asleep as he presents a page-long thesis presentation on butterfly flutter? Also not look like Professor Eppes in a rival network's TV series, NUMB3RS?

If MacGyver was a genius, why was he always dealing with 'crisis' situations? No, I think my ideal character would be pursuing apparently unrelated, mundane activities which would indirectly and propitiously affect the main characters at critical points in time. It's something we can all relate to, since we're all pursuing mundane activities most of the time [often with the objective of some future benefit in mind].

[helen]

Tonight's episode goes along the line of "even if you knew the future and it turns out that way you still get a surprise".

Noah Bennet gets shot in the eye by Mohinder with Claire and West in the background but some body gives Noah a transfusion of Claire's blood and he comes back from the dead.

Of course other surprise of the episode is that Elle is Bob's daughter.

[Zovo]

New to the forums so bear with me, but I'd like to voice a couple of my concerns for this particular show.

I've been following Heroes since the first episode of season one and, while I enjoyed the large scale plot and eventual climax of said season; I've found myself to be far moe interested in the small scale conflicts of Season Two. Perhaps because of the abbreviated duration of the season (writers' strike and all) or maybe just because it's easier to relate to small scale problems.

Peter's search for his identity was and interesting angle, but seemed superflous 1.) because we (the viewers) already knew what it was; and 2.) because it served no purpose. Yes, the Haitian erasing the incriminating memories was iportant for his own protection, but why erase his entire identity?

I like the twist with Hiro and his hero, I liked that ultmately Hiro became his hero and explicitly conceptualized that fact in ths episode. He is definitely the strongest (conceptually) character in the show and I really hope the writers don't eventually undercut him. The flash forward in Season 1 where he was all futuristic and acent-free was odd and ruined a little something for me. I'm glad the future is no loner and issue.

Which brings me to the ultimate flaw in the show (from my point of view). The show is alled "Heroes" and yet, excepting very few of them, none of the characters are particularly heroic. In fact, besides Hiro, all of the truly Heroic characters don't even have powers. Yes, pretty much all of the "good guys" have their moment in the sun; but a hero isn't someone who just sees a bad thign about to happen and tries to prevent it, a hero is a person who actively pursues noble goals, just causes, and protects more than just the innocent civiians but also his ideals.

Most of the characters are completely reactionary. In Season 1, they see the city is going explode so now they have to concern themselves with corrupt politicians, and the ever present "Company." Had they had no knowledge of the eventual destruction of New York and ultimately their own demise none of them would have reacted at all toward the true evils which caused said calamity.

Which is perhaps why I'm more interested in the small-scale conflicts of Season 2, because they allow the characters to fight for what they actually value in their lives rather than simply fighting to preserve their lives. Which is good; it lets us know more about who the people are rather than simply what the people can do. I was worried for a while because Season 2 looked like it was going the same direction as Season 1 ("Oh, I got a glimpse of the future now I have to save the world from something I didn't care about five minutes ago.")

Alot of people are sayin they really dislike this second season, that it's les cohesive. I think it's great. What are the odds that another great plot would be foiled by the same team of reactionary survivalists. I love that we'e gotten a chance to get to know the characters and witness how they are dealing with the fall-out resulting from Season 1.



On another note; I'm really bummed about the death of Noah Bennet. While his methods were somewhat unorthodox, he was definitely one of the most Heroic characters in the show (once he got his priorities straight.) I really hope they don't ruin him by ressurecting him.

[Random]

Of course other surprise of the episode is that Elle is Bob's daughter.
Not really a surprise at all.

And yes, I still hate flyboy West.

[Vanguard]

On another note; I'm really bummed about the death of Noah Bennet. While his methods were somewhat unorthodox, he was definitely one of the most Heroic characters in the show (once he got his priorities straight.) I really hope they don't ruin him by ressurecting him.

Didn't you see the last moment of the episode? He was brought back to life with Claire's blood. I think Mohinder did it out of guilt.

I loved this episode. One LOL moment for me was when West was carrying Elle's unconscious body in the Butler household and West is all smiles, "Oh Hi, Mrs. Butler!"

Hiro was awesome personified. May he always live in this series.

[DaFerret]

Hiro was awesome personified. May he always live in this series.
He's clearly among the top characters in the series. To me, it seems his storyline is going in the right direction. He's growing up/maturing and there isn't any deviation from that. Unlike say, Niki, who at the season 1 finale, seemed to have finally "dealt" with her split personality and her acceptance of the power she wields, only to get yet another personality and she breaks down becoming, once again, the weak Niki that's too afraid of herself to be of any use to anyone.

I think it would've been a stronger impact if Noah wasn't resurrected. But I suppose he needed to be, or else Niki would be cured and the virus wouldn't spread? Was that remorse on Bob's face when he saw Noah dead? Or was it regret for losing Claire's blood?

I'm still iffy on West. I suppose Claire needed a love interest. *shrug* Otherwise, he doesn't seem to be a great addition to the lineup.

[salmoned]

I'd have to agree that Hiro has been the most interesting character - he has outgrown some of his earlier misconceptions of reality. I just hope he doesn't attain vengeance for his father's murder (IOW, I hope there's a 'good' reason for those eliminations).

[Random]

I'm still iffy on West. I suppose Claire needed a love interest. *shrug*
Okay, but does it have to be West? Sighs.

[Zovo]

Didn't you see the last moment of the episode? He was brought back to life with Claire's blood. I think Mohinder did it out of guilt.

Yes, that's what I'm refering to when i say I hope they don't ruin his character by ressurecting him. He's a great character who seems to have fnally broken free of his love/hate relationship with "The Company" and finally sorted out his priorities (his family) and has shown he will go to any length to defend them and his life on his terms.

My concerns is that we will find that "Bob" used the sample of Claire's blood to bring him back from death as ameans of reindoctrinating him into loyal service of "The Company;" by showing him that their methods are truly benevolent and that if he jst hands over his daughter hundreds, if not thousands, of people can be saved.

I couldn't stand to see him duped again.


He's clearly among the top characters in the series. To me, it seems his storyline is going in the right direction. He's growing up/maturing and there isn't any deviation from that. Unlike say, Niki, who at the season 1 finale, seemed to have finally "dealt" with her split personality and her acceptance of the power she wields, only to get yet another personality and she breaks down becoming, once again, the weak Niki that's too afraid of herself to be of any use to anyone.

Niki is at a severe disadvantage that none of the other "Heroes" have to contend with; her powers are the only ones with a (maelevolent) conciousness of their own; her powers are the only ones which are actually actvely working against her. That is, assuming her multiple personalities are a symptom of her powers and not merely a pre-existing condition. Everyone else has to learn to control their powers, she actually has to combat hers.

[Random]

My concerns is that we will find that "Bob" used the sample of Claire's blood to bring him back from death as ameans of reindoctrinating him into loyal service of "The Company;" by showing him that their methods are truly benevolent and that if he jst hands over his daughter hundreds, if not thousands, of people can be saved.

I couldn't stand to see him duped again.
Unless HRG duped Bob first.

Let's be real. HRG is to HEROES as Gul Dukat is to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He's a rogue and a wildcard but deep down he's a bad guy. If an opportunity allows HRG to infiltrate The Company through deception, he will take it.

[DaFerret]

Niki is at a severe disadvantage that none of the other "Heroes" have to contend with; her powers are the only ones with a (maelevolent) conciousness of their own; her powers are the only ones which are actually actvely working against her. That is, assuming her multiple personalities are a symptom of her powers and not merely a pre-existing condition. Everyone else has to learn to control their powers, she actually has to combat hers.
That's what is weird to me. It seemed at the end of season 1, Jessica gave control over to Niki by helping her. Both personalities appeared to have become one. Wasn't it Niki that ripped the parking meter and thwacked Sylar? If not, they did a pretty quick and silent switch over between Niki and Jessica.

And the whole thing about Jessica and Niki was that Jessica was a twin sister and their father killed her, traumatizing Niki. Now there's yet another personality? So were there triplets? Or did I watch those episodes with her and her father completely with the wrong idea?

[jkpescador]

What are the powers of some of the previous generation?
Kaito, Ma Patrelli, Bob?
Only the older Parkman we know.

Could Claire and the Patrelli's be related to Adam?

[helen]

Bob could transmute objects. He turned a spoon into gold when he first meets up with Mohinder. I had the impression that's how the company was able to get funded, turning stuff into gold and selling it.

Ma Patrelli may seem to have the power of suggestion when she touches people. She tried that on Nathan's wife in the episode aired last week Monday.

Kaito. I don't know. He doesn't seem to have fast reflexes, fly, regenerate or stop time or any other power that would be useful in a fight. The sword thing he teaches to Hiro is more of skill than a power.

More than likey he would have a support type of power like enhanced memory.

[Zovo]

Could some explain a couple quick things for me.

1.) HRG? Who is that?
2.) Could someone explain what we believe Sylar's power to be? One member refered to it as Intuitive Aptitude, which basically means, he's just good at stuff.

[helen]

1.) HRG? Who is that?

HRG = Horn Rimmed Glasses. I think it's something that posters of HawaiiThreads coined for the character of Noah Bennet since during the early part of the first season of Heroes he had no name.

[Zovo]

Ah, well in that case I disagree.
I think he is one of the greatest of the good guys. A bit of a loose cannon, but he's definitely a good guy. :D

[jkpescador]

It seems that the previous generaton has passive powers. No wonder they can't defend themselves against Adam and Parkman's Dad.

Thanks Helen.

[Vanguard]

Kaito. I don't know. He doesn't seem to have fast reflexes, fly, regenerate or stop time or any other power that would be useful in a fight. The sword thing he teaches to Hiro is more of skill than a power.

Maybe he can teach people things very quickly. That would explain how Hiro became so proficient in a Japanese sword art in a relatively short amount of time (Future Hiro said he was a Battojutsu master).

2.) Could someone explain what we believe Sylar's power to be? One member refered to it as Intuitive Aptitude, which basically means, he's just good at stuff.

http://heroeswiki.com/Intuitive_aptitude

He has intimate knowledge of the inner workings of things, which he can use to decipher people's powers and take them for himself. It's very similar to Michael Scofield's low latent inhibition on Prison Break.

[Zovo]

Ok, so, isn't Sylar's power indicative of the idea that the Heroes aren't neccesarily genetically different in any form other than having innate human abilities switched on?

What I mean is, if Sylar can analyze the inner workings of their brains and understand "how it works," doesn't that mean that he (and likely all people) have the potential for super powers if they only understood how to unlock them; what makes them tick?

[Vanguard]

What I mean is, if Sylar can analyze the inner workings of their brains and understand "how it works," doesn't that mean that he (and likely all people) have the potential for super powers if they only understood how to unlock them; what makes them tick?

Sylar's initial power (Intuitive Aptitude) seems like just a talent; it's special, but it still seems mundane, not magical like flying or time travel. Look at Charlie's power, didactic memory. There are plenty of people in history who are strongly suspected of having this talent, but does this mean they were all drawing Takezo Kensei's symbol subconsciously? (Claire did this on her notebook early in season 1)

However, the series strongly paints Sylar's ability as something extraordinary. Some characters have iconic power usage cues. Hiro's concentration face, Eden's persuasion voice, Matt Parkman's mind sound effect. Sylar had the tick tock sound effect. He knew Chandra's watch was broken without even having a very good look at it. I would rather they show him actually using his base power more often, doing something besides sizing up brains. I think they did this in season 2 when he killed Derek. Remember the tick tock noise before he did the deed? It probably indicated his tactical analysis of the situation.

It's appropriate the writers gave him an insignificant power for his insecurities and insanity to kick in. It was such a subtle power, Chandra Suresh didn't even think he had any abilities. And that really upset Sylar.

[Zovo]

Right, and understand that, but what is it that makes him able to mimic the powers of other people once he's figured them out? Like the dude who could melt objects. . . Sylar couldn't do that before he encountered him, and now that he's "figured it out" he can, doesn't that imply that he had the capability before he even met that guy but just didn't know he did? That he had to "figure it out."

I guess what I'm saying is that, by use of his intuition, Sylar isn't stealing powers, he's unlocking them within himself. That, theoretically, if he didn't have to dismantle brains to figure it out, he could potentially unlock said powers within himself without having to kill people.

Am I making sense?

[jkpescador]

Maybe everyone does have some ability and that's why 93% of the population is dead because of the virus in 2008. I dunno just a guess. I thought the virus only affects "heroes."

[Random]

Maybe everyone does have some ability and that's why 93% of the population is dead because of the virus in 2008. I dunno just a guess. I thought the virus only affects "heroes."
Maybe it's like a flu virus. Sooner or later it will mutate and jump from the heroes to the mundanes.

[Random]

HRG = Horn Rimmed Glasses. I think it's something that posters of HawaiiThreads coined for the character of Noah Bennet since during the early part of the first season of Heroes he had no name.
Not just this messageboards. Everywhere, before HRG was given a full name later in the first season.

HRG is just a shortcut.

[pzarquon]

HRG was actually used as shorthand by the show itself. For example, in the listings the network provided to TV Guide, Zap2It and other services, they used "HRG" as if everyone knew exactly who that was. And most did!

[Random]

HRG was actually used as shorthand by the show itself.
Of course. If you have closed caption decoder, you may notice the shorthand for his dialogue.

[helen]

So what happen to Matt tonight? He wasn't around when Sylar went to Molly.

[Adri]

So what happen to Matt tonight? He wasn't around when Sylar went to Molly.

I didn't think Sylar actually went to Molly. I thought Sylar was with Maya and bluffing Mohinder? I need to watch it again (I wasn't fully paying attention at that point).

[Zovo]

So we're told that next week, 2 Heroes will eat it. Any speculations anyone?

[helen]

I hope it is not Peter and/or Hiro, those guys seem to be what anchors the series. I think Adam might count as one of the two. Maybe Maya.

[Zovo]

They would be the obvious choices;

Adam because he's essentially THE bad guy for this season.
And Maya because, well, Sylar has explicitly stated that he's going to kill her.

These are two reasons I'm expecting it to be someone else. Pretty sure Adam's gonna die, but I'm not sure he counts as one of the "Heroes" since he is the villain.

I see Maya lasting though, why? Because to give Sylar, literally, the powers to grant life or death, would be (as we dorks might call it) game breaking.:D

[kiwidiva]

Well, with Claire's blood out there - no one can ever really be DEAD on this show. I still expect DL to come waltzing in at any moment.

Adri - Sylar was with Molly when he made the call to Mohinder. He was standing over her while she was sleeping/unconscious.

RIP Alejandro - I hope he's not really dead coz he was CUTE!

[Adri]

Thanks kiwidiva!

[kiwidiva]

You're welcome.

Sylar said something indicating that he had given the babysitter the night off or taken over from the babysitter - so there was no mention of Parkman which made me wonder where he was too.

[Zovo]

Unless of course Parkman WAS the "babysitter" and by "giving [him] the night off" Sylar means that part of our query regarding who dies next week is already answered. :)

I could do without Parkman. He's kind of a boring character. He's resolved his Daddy issues so his ongoing personal plot has reached it's climax; the only place I could see them going with his character is watching him battle with the temptation of controlling people and ultimately being corrupted by the potential of his powers, much the same way his father was. Snore-fest.

I would like to see one of the super-healers done away with. Gets kind of redundant when a third of the characters are invulnerable to harm, sorry, nigh invulnerable.

On that note, there are questions I've always wondered about being nigh invulnerable. Namely; how do you know how much you can take? For instance, Adam, he says to Peter, "She was going to take your head off. There's no coming back from that."

How does he know? Has he ever had his head cut off? Obviously not if there's "no coming back." Has he cut off someone else's head? Is he lying to Peter in order to justify his killing the doctor lady? I mean, he was ground zero at the biggest explosion Japan had ever seen prior to WWII; there couldn't have been much left of him. How much body is required in order to regenerate?

Whatever the case, he and Hiro have to get it on, Highlander style. There can be only one!

[kiwidiva]

Unless of course Parkman WAS the "babysitter"

No way! They would surely have shown us if there was a showdown between Sylar & Parkman. Plus, Sylar is still trying to act the good guy with Maya (she was there too) so no way he's gonna kill Parkman with her around. Although, he did kill Alejandro practically under her nose...

"She was going to take your head off. There's no coming back from that."

Wasn't it Victoria that threatened to shoot Adam in the head? After she shot both Adam & Peter in their chests she aimed the gun at Adam's head which seemed to scare him. She acted like she thought that was the way to kill him - which his reaction to having the gun aimed at his head seemed to confirm. After Peter healed, he saved Adam from being shot in the head by getting the gun from Victoria. Adam reconfirmed the 'losing your head' thing when he said the above quote to Peter. So maybe while she was at "the company" their research uncovered a way to harm Adam but when he became a threat, rather than using it, they locked him up?

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/main/promos/heroes_createYourHero.jpg I saw this image on the Heroes website (it's the 'create your own hero' link which when I click on it, I get nothing) - WTH... is there going to be a Maori hero???

[Vanguard]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/main/promos/heroes_createYourHero.jpg I saw this image on the Heroes website (it's the 'create your own hero' link which when I click on it, I get nothing) - WTH... is there going to be a Maori hero???

The Haitian was originally going to be a Maori guy with tattoos. With a different name, of course ;)

[Zovo]

No way! They would surely have shown us if there was a showdown between Sylar & Parkman. Plus, Sylar is still trying to act the good guy with Maya (she was there too) so no way he's gonna kill Parkman with her around. Although, he did kill Alejandro practically under her nose...

Yeah, I was kinda kidding with that. But I really do dislike Parkman.

[kiwidiva]

The Haitian was originally going to be a Maori guy with tattoos. With a different name, of course

hahaha... what? DA MAORI??? it does have a certain ring to it...

so is "the haitian" like HRG - not named at all???

[Random]

hahaha... what? DA MAORI??? it does have a certain ring to it...

so is "the haitian" like HRG - not named at all???
We already know HRG's name: Noah Benett.

[Vanguard]

hahaha... what? DA MAORI??? it does have a certain ring to it...

so is "the haitian" like HRG - not named at all???

As pointed out, HRG has a full name, but yes, The Haitian currently has no name. He is simply a mysterious, morally ambiguous character (who seems to have allegiance with Noah Bennet, Angela Petrelli, and according to "Four Months Ago", he was working for the Company even after the events of "Company Man".

The information about The Haitian originally being Maori can be found in the commentary of the season one episode "Parasite".

One thing I do not like about the Haitian -- have you all been keeping up with the Heroes weekly comics (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/)? In chapter 53 "The Crossroads", before leaving Haiti, he talks to the voodoo Loa in a spiritual vision for absolution, and after this event, he goes with Noah to remove the personal memories of Noah's mentor in the Ukraine. It's as if the absolution meant nothing.

[Vanguard]

And in other news, the actor who played Yaeko's father the blacksmith on Heroes was arrested in Hawai'i.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/11/15/oh-that-guy-arrested-for-domestic-violence/1#comments

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Nov/15/br/br4691507328.html

[kiwidiva]

We already know HRG's name: Noah Benett.


Yes, but for the whole of season one he had no name and now we're almost at the end of season two and the haitian is still "the haitian".

I was just wondering if maybe he did have a name and I just missed it!

To me Bennett will always be HRG!

[salmoned]

I always assumed Sylar was opening his victim's heads in order to eat their brains and thereby acquire their abilities - didn't anyone else make that assumption? [What's for lunch/]

[Random]

To me Bennett will always be HRG!
He's always HRG to me, but at least I know his name. :D

Still don't like flyboy West. Still like the Haitian, even if I don't bother to read the web-comic. If he is seeking absolution, he's doing in the form of taking down the Company. Besides, Noah's mentor is just as bad as Noah. Who else taught him to be the best agent that he is?

[Random]

I always assumed Sylar was opening his victim's heads in order to eat their brains and thereby acquire their abilities - didn't anyone else make that assumption? [What's for lunch/]
Nah, too time-consuming and not to mentioned messy to eat the gray matter. He's better at studying the brain so he can "fix" his brain to acquire the powers.

[helen]

I thinking why Sylar opens the skull and takes the brain out is that whoever he encounters that he kills stay dead. Perhaps Sylars powers operate like Peter, he needs to be close enough to someone to mimic their power and he has got it. He is just killing them on the off-chance he is encountering another power mimic person or one who can heal themselves.

[helen]

I didn't think Niki would be one of the two to bite the dust. Or even Nathan.

[Zovo]

Nice touch on Bob's database password... Midas.

So, who killed Nathan? Any guesses?

[helen]

No doubt Bob ordered it, but as far as who actually pulled the trigger, I would say Noah but it could be someone new.

[Zovo]

No doubt Bob ordered it, but as far as who actually pulled the trigger, I would say Noah but it could be someone new.

Noah seems to be the obvious choice, but they made a real effort not to show his face, so I'll wager it wasn't him.

I was thinking, and this'll sound really out there, but perhaps Hiro's dad. I was under the impression that Adam was exiled to Hiro's fathers grave, but he looked really lonely inside that coffin; and Hiro looked particularly perturbed after returning from dispatching Adam.

[helen]

I was wondering about this while taking a shower after the episode aired but Nathan got healed by a transfusion from Adam's blood that was shown a few weeks ago. Now is the healing from tramua a one time thing or will it last for quite some time?

[Vanguard]

So, who killed Nathan? Any guesses?

Another "out there" theory. How about West? He was bent on keeping his secrets secret. :p

Did anyone else have the Popeye theme song in mind when Sylar TK grabbed the can of spinach?

I am sad that they would kill Nathan. :( But I am also glad that Hiro is safe. What he did to Adam, though, is something that Future Hiro would do, IMO.

[Zovo]

Another "out there" theory. How about West? He was bent on keeping his secrets secret. :p

Did anyone else have the Popeye theme song in mind when Sylar TK grabbed the can of spinach?

I am sad that they would kill Nathan. :( But I am also glad that Hiro is safe. What he did to Adam, though, is something that Future Hiro would do, IMO.


I'm gonna rule out West as the assassin because he would have had no idea that the press conference was going to take place. He was in California, they were in Texas, not likely he made it there that fast either; but he definitely had motive.

No, whoever performed the shooting had access to the security camera in the vault and knew about the press conference and what it was about before it was set up.

Actually, I liked the way Hiro dispatched with Adam and I don't think it was too out fo character. Hiro isn't a killer, he's just not that guy, but he knew something had to be done with Adam to keep him from being a nuisance in the future. Burying him alive, since he can't die, is essentailly a means of imprisonment; unless of course he CAN suffocate, or drown depending on how rainy it gets.:D

Absolutely on the Popeye thing though... my wife even burst out into song when the credits started rolling.

[Bob P]

I always assumed Sylar was opening his victim's heads in order to eat their brains and thereby acquire their abilities - didn't anyone else make that assumption? [What's for lunch/]

I think he removes the brains so he can 'study' them and how they're constructed - like taking apart a clock/watch and then remakes his own to match.

My vote as to who shot Nathan is the Hatian.