Non-Hawaiian student kicked out of Kamehameha Schools

[anapuni808]

I'm surprised no one has commented on this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21275483/

[Miulang]

I'm surprised no one has commented on this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21275483/
I was going to, and then decided against it because it appears to be a disciplinary issue and KSBE says he can return to classes if he gets good grades during this year that he can't attend Kamehameha. It is a shame that he did whatever he did to get into trouble with the school administration, though. I'm sure there have been quite a few kanaka kids who have also been disciplined by Kamehameha School.

Miulang

[anapuni808]

Maybe he will realize, after attending some other school, that he never belonged at KSBE anyway. Regardless of how many lawsuits it took to get him there. It certainly shows he didn't respect the privilege he had been given.

[glossyp]

Maybe he will realize, after attending some other school, that he never belonged at KSBE anyway. Regardless of how many lawsuits it took to get him there. It certainly shows he didn't respect the privilege he had been given.
That's a huge helping of assumption particularly when we don't know what happened.

[Miulang]

Maybe he will realize, after attending some other school, that he never belonged at KSBE anyway. Regardless of how many lawsuits it took to get him there. It certainly shows he didn't respect the privilege he had been given.
Did he really want to attend, or was it because his mother wished for him to attend, though? Usually a kid of 12 doesn't know what he wants, other than to go play video games.:p The KITV story (http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/14332550/detail.html)about him said that the station checked and so far he has not shown up on any public school's attendance rolls. So is he being home schooled, or in another private school for this year?

Miulang

[anapuni808]

if you choose to break rules, you show a lack of respect for those rules, and the place where the rules apply. Or maybe he was just frustrated with the whole experience and wanted out (now THAT is an assumption). Unless he chooses to explain what happened, anything is an assumption. as for where he is attending school - I'm not concerned with that. Maybe they've gone back to Kauai or something.

I just thought it was an interesting story and result of that court battle.

[cynsaligia]

Maybe he will realize, after attending some other school, that he never belonged at KSBE anyway. Regardless of how many lawsuits it took to get him there. It certainly shows he didn't respect the privilege he had been given.

That's a huge helping of assumption particularly when we don't know what happened.


having grown up in kalihi under the care of a single mother who, despite my having been granted a scholarship, had to scrape together the money for me to be able to attend another highly touted private school from seventh grade til senior year, i would say that i knew enough to respect the privilege of attending. if my mom had to go to court for me to attend a certain school, i'd make sure to bust my asterisk to keep my nose clean and earn good grades. that this kid broke rules severely enough or often enough to get suspended--whether he himself wanted to go to KS or not--leads me to believe he didn't respect the privilege (or his mom?) or want to be there enough.

[scrivener]

that this kid broke rules severely enough or often enough to get suspended--whether he himself wanted to go to KS or not--leads me to believe he didn't respect the privilege (or his mom?) or want to be there enough.
Agreed wholeheartedly. 'Though I didn't grow up in a single-parent household, my parents were not well-off by a longshot, at least not while we were in school, and they sent two kids to a (not as highly touted, but vastly superior) private school, and we knew how lucky we were, especially since we were also on scholarship.

Maybe he will realize, after attending some other school, that he never belonged at KSBE anyway. It certainly shows he didn't respect the privilege he had been given.
Of course, KS dismisses students all the time, the overwhelming majority of whom are Hawaiian, so the ethnicity of the student is really irrelevant, except that it's because of his ethnicity that this student's enrollment is news. Those Hawaiian students who are thrown out don't belong there, either.

[glossyp]

Clearly this thread is dominated by those who never broke a rule or rules nor acted in such a way as to bring shame upon themselves or their family. Just kidding, of course. My point was simply that we do not know what happened. For better or worse, this kid will be a lightning rod for criticism and judgment for years to come and that surely won't be easy.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I'm with glossyp on this one. Whatever the kid did, I'm guessing it wasn't related to his non-Hawaiianness.

[Mililani]

I agree Glen, I doubt his being kicked out had anything to do with him not being hawaiian. It's a total lack of respect!

I'm still trying to figure out how a student who was suspended for the rest of the school year be allowed back. I can see the 3-day suspension thing, but to be suspended for MONTHS? Hmm....

[cynsaligia]

Clearly this thread is dominated by those who never broke a rule or rules nor acted in such a way as to bring shame upon themselves or their family.

if i'm one of those who "dominated" this thread, i'll say here that i most certainly have broken rules and brought shame (more correctly, disappointment) to myself/my family.

Just kidding, of course.

ha. ha. ha. i'm laughing, of course.

My point was simply that we do not know what happened.

we know he broke rules severely enough/numerous times enough to get himself into his current sitch. we just don't know exactly why he did what he did or what specifically he did.

For better or worse, this kid will be a lightning rod for criticism and judgment for years to come and that surely won't be easy.

and he has whom to blame for that? (hint: it aint the people who "dominated" this thread.)

I'm with glossyp on this one. Whatever the kid did, I'm guessing it wasn't related to his non-Hawaiianness.

maybe it was, in the sense that if he was sent to a school he didn't want to go to, and was, on top of that, the only non-Hawaiian, he might have acted out enough to get himself kicked out. i won't bet that his non-hawaiianess was not a factor. like i said, we don't know the boy's reasoning (or lack of reasoning) for breaking whatever rules he chose to break.

I agree Glen, I doubt his being kicked out had anything to do with him not being hawaiian. It's a total lack of respect!


in this case, the former (not being hawaiian) does not necessarily mutually exclude the latter (lack of respect), and vice versa. it could be that both were true.

[scrivener]

I, too, have suffered the negative administrative consequences of my actions as both a private-school student and a public-school student. While I managed to avoid (serious) behavioral trouble in high school, I can't say the same for academic trouble, which I constantly either skirted or was right in the middle of, including one short stint on academic probation. In college, it was really more of the same: Suspended once, reinstated, dismissed, readmitted, dismissed again. And everything I said about this student applies as well to me.

I'm still trying to figure out how a student who was suspended for the rest of the school year be allowed back. I can see the 3-day suspension thing, but to be suspended for MONTHS? Hmm....
Since none of us knows what he did, even just speculation is unproductive, but let me provide a few examples of where this might make sense.

After my first two semesters at UHM, I was suspended for a low GPR. In this case, the school questioned my dedication to my studies. It gave me the one-semester suspension, saying I could return to classes if I did not attend post-secondary classes anywhere else during that semester. The idea was to allow me time to evaluate my role as a student and what that role implied for myself.

Later, when I was dismissed (read: kicked out) for not meeting the conditions of my probation (it was really not my fault, but I take responsibility for having been placed on probation in the first place), I was basically being told to pursue my education elsewhere. I went to LCC for three semesters and set it on fire. When I reapplied for admissions to UHM, I was not the same student who had been told to take a hike.

So here are two examples, one a suspension and one a dismissal, of how an educational instution might reasonably allow reinstatement or readmission.

As an educator, I have seen several students dismissed for behavioral reasons who were later readmitted. At my first school, the students were let go in eighth and in ninth grades. They went elsewhere, grew up a little, realized what they had given up, and reapplied. They, too, were no longer the students who had once been told to take a hike. In both cases, these students became terrific, contributing members of the school community.

Both of these cases were extraordinary, by the way. Both students were dismissed for very serious behaviors; both demonstrated upon application for readmission that they were ready to come back. In my twenty-six-year affiliation with that school, they are the only two people I know of who were granted readmission after behavioral dismissal.

But it happens.

[craigwatanabe]

it takes a lot to get kicked out of KSBE. The review process at any level allows for appeal by the parents as well.

There are several reasons why one can be expelled from KSBE. One is the sheer fact of disobedience or civil disruptions (such as causing harm to students or faculty, destroying school property). Others are academic.

One thing KSBE does allow for is the tutoring of students that fall behind. But the student has to be receptive to that tutoring.

And for any disobedient act, parents are notified thru mailings. There is no way a parent of a KSBE student can not know of poor grades, attendance, detention or tutoring. KSBE makes every effort to retain their students by encorporating remedial studies during class or after school detention.

Even when a child is expelled, it is typically conditional, meaning if they can show an improvement in their grades at the school they ended up in, KSBE will accept that student back...conditionally, meaning they have to show improvement in their grades and show a desire to expound on KSBE's values.

If they fail again well it's not KSBE that kicked that student out, that kid kicked themselves out. And that applies to any school or any institution where acceptance of that institution's value or vision is a requirement and a stipulation of enrollment or membership.

[Mililani]

And for any disobedient act, parents are notified thru mailings. There is no way a parent of a KSBE student can not know of poor grades, attendance, detention or tutoring. KSBE makes every effort to retain their students by encorporating remedial studies during class or after school detention.

Even when a child is expelled, it is typically conditional, meaning if they can show an improvement in their grades at the school they ended up in, KSBE will accept that student back...conditionally, meaning they have to show improvement in their grades and show a desire to expound on KSBE's values.


That's actually good to know. My son has his interview and testing scheduled for next week for 9th grade. Not that I expect him to be disrespectful or disruptive if he gets in, but any information I can get "outside" of the KSBE website, is always helpful. Thanks!

[Steven]

I don't know if it's the same there but here if a youngster is less than 21 and gets kicked out without the parents present at the hearing, then they have a right to appeal to the Educational Tribunal. (9 times out of 10, the young student is re-instated.)

[TuNnL]

My point was simply that we do not know what happened.We know that “he was suspended for the rest of the academic year for violating student rules.” And that in itself, is shameful.

I skipped class, broke athletic team rules, and was involved in numerous schoolyard fights (one in which HPD was called). I still never violated the student code severely enough to be kicked out of school for the year. :(

[i-hungry]

His mom must be really mad.

[Ms_Aloha_Nui]

I don't know what the circumstances were behind his dismissal but I think it's such a shame that he would even risk his enrollment. My son was admitted in the 4th grade and from then the point was made that it is a PRIVILEGE to be enrolled at KSBE. But then again, I always impressed upon both my sons that it doesn't matter where you attend school (my second son was not admitted to KSBE) you will always be my child and I will expect appropriate behavior. They have and will continue (eldest is almost 22 years and second son is almost 17) to be reflections of me......

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and i read these posts and in my own humble opinion,i believe that Non Hawaiian's should be allowed in Kam School is when i was asked by my now deceased father at the time he was living when i was a youth,he asked me what school i'd like to attend and he asked if i'd like to go to kam school and i shared with him that i wasnt allowed is it was only for hawaiian's and he said that's discrimination so i ended up going to Mckinley high school so in that school,we had half hawaiian's or student's with the hawaiian background and if they are able to allow student's with the hawaiian background,then they the kam school should allow Non hawaiian's into their school is it would only be fair,wouldnt anyone agree? I dont mean to be unkind only these are my Thought's from when my Deceased Father asked me what high school i'd like to go to at that time so i show no disrespect to anyone,only i was made to believe that anyone was able to attend hawaiian school's so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.

well thank's for your time:(

[scrivener]

Dang it. I already gave my post of the month award to ericncyn.

[kamuelakea]

:( hi this is sansei and i read these posts and in my own humble opinion,i believe that Non Hawaiian's should be allowed in Kam School .......and he said that's discrimination (


Hi Sensei,

Thank you for your kind and gentle and humble thoughts. Your opinion is very welcome and I do not wish to offend you as well. Peace be with you my friend.

Actually, the only discrimination in Hawaii today is the AJA Baseball league. You still must be of Japanese decent to play a haole game of baseball on baseball fields paid for by Hawaii taxpayers of all ethnicities.

Please let your people know of this. I am sure you are as surprised and offended as I am that this type of blatant racist discrimination occurs and you will work hard to end it. Thank you so much for your kokua. You are truly a kind and gentle man.

Also, I think the Cherry Blossom pageant has racist entry requirements. You must be of Japanese decent to enter. They only recently reduced the 100% requirement. PS: How does one test for pure breed 100% ethnicity in human breeds?

Also, I think to work for the HSTA and HGEA, and Territorial Savings, it doesn't hurt to be of Japanese ancestry.

Well, thank you for your time and attention. Please do not be concerned with my humble words as they are simply the thoughts of one simple man.

Oh, and arigato senor.

[zztype]

But non-Hawaiians are already allowed in Kam School. Fo' real! Check it out:

http://www.kamschool.com

Anybody can enroll, just pay the tuition and airfare.

[infinitypro]

But non-Hawaiians are already allowed in Kam School. Fo' real! Check it out:

http://www.kamschool.com

Anybody can enroll, just pay the tuition and airfare.

There's nothing to be said 'bout that link, it's all expressions! :D

[Kalei99]

But non-Hawaiians are already allowed in Kam School. Fo' real! Check it out:

http://www.kamschool.com

Anybody can enroll, just pay the tuition and airfare.

Blaine....Kurt said he like go Kam school and now he can! I think he just needs to learn to drive! heh heh heh :rolleyes:

[zztype]

Blaine....Kurt said he like go Kam school and now he can! I think he just needs to learn to drive! heh heh heh :rolleyes:

...on the wrong side... :D

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and to zztype,that's a driving school and i only meant the one in Kapalama and not this driving school and it's not lol. i dont find it amuzing. if in my time at our local public school's,that's when they should've accepted our half hawaiian or full blooded hawaiian student's so they wouldnt have to have gone to Public School's and this Kam school i mention is the kameamehama school's is shortened of my thought's as Kam school's on which my Deceased Father taught me how to say it so i thought to share my thought's with everyone.

well thank's for your time:(

[1stwahine]

Sansei, uhhh..uhhhh....eh, I going be nice.

Happy New Year 2008!!

Auntie Lynn

[Leo Lakio]

:( hi this is sansei and to zztype,that's a driving school and i only meant the one in Kapalama and not this driving school and it's not lol. i dont find it amuzing. ... this Kam school i mention is the kameamehama school's is shortened of my thought's as Kam school's on which my Deceased Father taught me how to say it so i thought to share my thought's with everyone.(Aloha, Sansei. As I understand it, many folks of Hawaiian ancestry do not find it "amuzing" to have people abbreviate the name of Kamehameha, an honored and revered name of Hawaiian royalty, as "Kam." Perhaps that is why zztype was teasing about the listing of "Kam School."

[zztype]

awww foggit.

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and in response to leo lakio, if island people who live here are able to incorrectly say Karaoke as Kereoke then we as an american people are able to say incorrectly Kam School aka Kamehameha school is people who live here i noticed always incorrectly say japanese name's incorrectly and that's not kind so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.Also who won WW2 for us,it was the American's and Japanese American's and from what my Deceased father shared before he left us that their werent any hawaiian's in WW2 so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.

well thank's for your time:(

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and in response to zztype,i dont kiss anyone's backside. im not an unkind person and i dont make false statement's here,it's not good so I Thought to share this with everyone.

well thank's for your time:(

[sansei]

awww foggit.

:( you foggit.

[Leo Lakio]

:( hi this is sansei and in response to leo lakio, if island people who live here are able to incorrectly say Karaoke as Kereoke then we as an american people are able to say incorrectly Kam School aka Kamehameha school is people who live here i noticed always incorrectly say japanese name's incorrectly and that's not kind I agree with your Japanese mispronunciation comment - I try to say words like "karaoke" (and other Nihongo words) correctly. I make the effort to learn from my errors, and to not be offended when I am corrected by those who can teach me.

Akemashite omedetou gozaimasu, Sansei!

[craigwatanabe]

Okay Sansei...I'm 100% Japanese and Sansei. I've had two direct uncles serve in the famed 442nd 100th battalion that ran took that hill. One is dead the other is still alive. I come from a family of US military vets including myself and my third eldest in the US Marines.

None of us ever...EVER abbreviated Kamehameha Schools unless we refer it to KSBE. Why? Because Kamehameha Schools is NOT a Chinese school, and it would be as mean of a racial slap to my face if someone abbrivated my ethnicty as a full-blooded Japanese as a Jap.

Just because your dad told you to say it that way that doesn't mean you have to.

Japanese kids born and raised in Hawaii (especially in Honolulu) think they know what it takes to be Hawaiian simply by living in Hawaii, but it takes more than that. I'll never fully know myself but embracing the Hawaiian culture with my family (my wife is part Hawaiian) has made me a very strong supporter of that culture who's lands were stolen from and their very culture forced to be redefined by western standards.

KSBE was created for their benefit. Remember the will of Bernice Pauahi Bishop was legalized under the authority of the Hawaiian Monarchy. A monarchy that was ILLEGALLY overthrown making that legal document still VERY MUCH LEGAL. You simply cannot use the US Constitution's laws of protections on another country's sovereign rights or discriminatory practices.

KSBE has every right to discriminate against all other races. The US Government has a duty to correct that injustice that reduced a proud monarchy to a woman under house arrest and left it's people as second rate citizens in the very land they nourished.

The fact is that KSBE isn't even asking for federal aid. All they want is to use the monies left by Pauahi to educate Hawaiians.

As Japanese and Sansei at that, we forget how easy it is for us to get things in Hawaii. Our last names open doors to employment and promotion in a local economy still in charge by many of our Nisei parents. But put a Hawaiian name on that resume and suddenly that Japanese kid is looking better and better.

KSBE only wants to level that playing field and if the US government cannot or will not give Hawaii back to the people it was stolen from at least they can simply stay out of the way and let Hawaiians be Hawaiian.

For a third generation Japanese living here in Hawaii not to see that injustice tells me you need to open your eyes more and let your senses feel what the lands on which you place your very feet on is trying to tell you. It'll make you cry for all Hawaiians and then you'll know why KSBE cannot fail.

IMUA Kamehameha!!:mad:

[kamuelakea]

hi this is sansei and in response to leo lakio, if island people who live here are able to incorrectly say Karaoke as Kereoke then we as an american people are able to say incorrectly Kam School aka Kamehameha school is people who live here i noticed always incorrectly say japanese name's incorrectly and that's not kind so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.Also who won WW2 for us,it was the American's and Japanese American's and from what my Deceased father shared before he left us that their werent any hawaiian's in WW2 so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.

Sansei,

Please keep talking. I believe you really are an AJA immigrant who choses to reside in Hawaii. There are more AJAs in California than Hawaii. There are more AJAs in Brazil than Hawaii. In fact, there are more Japanese in Brazil than there are in the United States.

Did you know 1/2 of all the AJAs who came to Hawaii to cut sugar actually returned to their homeland? The other 1/2 were mostly racist so they shipped in Japanese women cuz they wouldn't dare marry out of the master race.

Just some facts for you to munch on but I know you're doing your Hawaiian culture thing today and pounding mochi.

Arigato Sensei and Happy New Year!

:if island people who live here are able to incorrectly say Karaoke as Kereoke then we as an american people are able to say incorrectly Kam School aka Kamehameha school

Hah. That reminds me of the 1998? Nagano Olympics. All the Haole news people were saying Na GAH no. So all the Hawaii AJAs who think they know everything about what is Japanese started whining that the dumb haoles were mispronouncing the Japanese town name. They were saying it should only be NA guh no.

We'll the national news got wind and they started asking the real local residents of Nagano and they said they pronounce it either way.

Typical situation of Hawaii Japanese claiming the Japanese sun for themselves only to be corrected.

[scrivener]

Actually, it was the other way around. Locals thought it should be "na GAH no," while mainland journalists were saying "na guh no." But your point is well taken.

Most Japanese names are pronounced with no accented syllables, so the local pronunciations, especially of three-syllable surnames, tend to be quite wrong. That's why the mainland pronunciation of Senator Inouye's name, which sounds like they're saying "in a way" is closer to correct than the way we say it locally, "ee NOU eh." The senator himself pronounces it much more like "in no way," which is probably closest of all.

[kamuelakea]

Actually, it was the other way around. Locals thought it should be "na GAH no," while mainland journalists were saying "na guh no." But your point is well taken.

Mahalo brah. You right, had um reverse. Happy New Year Scrivener!

[craigwatanabe]

Just make sure you pronounce that mushroom shi-i-take when on the air:D

Back OT I would think it would be Naaga-no...no?

[Mililani]

:( ...and from what my Deceased father shared before he left us that their werent any hawaiian's in WW2 so I Thought to share my Thought's with everyone.

well thank's for your time:(

Are you serious? OK, somebody needs to tell my very-much-hawaiian grandpa that him being in WW2 was just a figment of his imagination. :rolleyes:

[timkona]

Humility is "supposedly" a revered trait in Hawaii. But that don't square with the protective ethno-centrism that surrounds the racial debate of KSBE.

Here's the truth. Your linneage doesn't matter. It's WHO you are that counts.

[scrivener]

There are more AJAs in Brazil than Hawaii. In fact, there are more Japanese in Brazil than there are in the United States.
Just want to make sure I understand what you're saying: There are more Americans of Japanese ancestry in Brazil than there are in Hawaii? Was there some kind of mass migration of Americans to Rio or something, or do we have some kind of massive military presence there, or what? I get the second statement, although I wonder if there are some stats that would back that up, but I'm puzzled about the first statement.

[Peshkwe]

Are you serious? OK, somebody needs to tell my very-much-hawaiian grandpa that him being in WW2 was just a figment of his imagination. :rolleyes:



Nah...sansei's daddy was just a mean sonovagun who filled his head with misinformation and made him speak like Warner Oland or Boris Karloff done up in yellow face.

Here sansei, educate yourself:

http://www.history.army.mil/topics/apam/hawaiians.htm

http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/ww2/army-casualties/us-territories.html

Stop the cycle so your children don't carry it on.

[kamuelakea]

Just want to make sure I understand what you're saying: There are more Americans of Japanese ancestry in Brazil than there are in Hawaii? Was there some kind of mass migration of Americans to Rio or something, or do we have some kind of massive military presence there, or what? I get the second statement, although I wonder if there are some stats that would back that up, but I'm puzzled about the first statement.

Oops,

Scratch the A in front of the first sentence with AJA. There are more Japanese in Brazil than all of the United States. I believe they went to pick sugar juss like Hawaii.

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