3 Ex-Governors Crying About The Mess They Made

[kamuelakea]

http://starbulletin.com/2007/11/04/news/story06.html

This is fascinating and funny same time. 3 ex-democrat governors commiserating about the sad state of the State and looking for something to blame.

You got Ariyoshi, Mr. “Quiet but effective” which translates into “Back room deals by Plantation Asian”, the guy whos name was on plenny Huis as he oversaw the indiscriminate bulldozing and paving of Hawaii. More beaches taken over under this man than maybe any single political leader in human history.

Then you got Lolo Waihee. Wasn’t his house being foreclosed upon not too long ago? Wonder who bailed him out? This is the guy that spent Hawaii into massive deficits and was a king of old boy politics. He was drooling to be either a Bishop Estate Trustee or a Senator and knew he was going to be one of them. His genius choice for Bishop Estate trustee, who he pressured the Supreme Court Justices to appoint, was Mr. Gerard Jervis, the guy who thought acceptable behavior for his million a year was to have sex in a bathroom in Hawaii Prince Hotel with his secretary (who then committed suicide.) Waihee was an old boy horse trader who couldn’t run a lemonaide stand.

And then the bulldog with a Napoleon complex, Ben Cayetano. This guy loves to talk about “Us local people”, “we built dis place”, “us, us, us, us, we, we, we” but he only means PLANTATION ASIANS and couple token Hawaiians.

So what happens at this pathetic Plantation Asian meeting? I think they were mostly longing for the good ole days. That’s why they had to go to ewa where some evidence of the plantation still exists. And of course Waihee has nothing intelligent to say. Ariyoshi is concerned because “Today, the homeless people are our own people," Brah, the homeless people I’ve known over the past 50 years have been MY people, the HAWAIIAN people. Of course when Ariyoshi says “our own people”, he means PLANTATION ASIANS. That’s all this immigrant is worried about.

And angry Cayetano can only talk about how "The Republicans in the Legislature should be irrelevant given their numbers” yet he can’t figure out why Lingle (that %&)#)(* Haole lady in his mind) has any power at all. Here, Cayetano is obviously longing for the good ole days when any opposition party was completely irrelevant. Basically, the mess that Hawaii has become over the past 50 years is all Lingle’s fault.

But I did find this pow wow to commiserate about the state of the state refreshing in ways. It is a sign that these fools are loosing their grip. Cayetano can’t figure it out cuz many of the 40 and under generations of Plantation Asians are not blindly supporting the Democrat party line because many of them are struggling to survive themselves. Not like the ole days when you support HGEA, ILWU, HSTA and bam, guaranz cherry job for life. Nope, not like the good ole days. And that’s a good thing.

[zztype]

That’s why they had to go to ewa where some evidence of the plantation still exists.

Just small clarification: They met at Dole Cannery Ballroom, down 'Iwilei, not down 'Ewa side.

[1stwahine]

Just small clarification: They met at Dole Cannery Ballroom, down 'Iwilei, not down 'Ewa side.

heheheh

Just a little bit across IHS foa Men and dee C&C Morgue.;)

Auntie Lynn

[kamuelakea]

Just small clarification: They met at Dole Cannery Ballroom, down 'Iwilei, not down 'Ewa side.

Hahaha. I just read the article. Obviously, I wasn't invited to attend. Probably couldn't hold my lunch down if I had to look at the 3 stooges who all came down from their multimillion dollar homes in Nuuanu and Waialae Iki to talk about the big bad republicans.

Anywayz, I saw Dole and Cannery and assumed Waipahu. I always forget about that Cannery place as a place to meet and shop. Never go. Terrible traffic juss like Costco.

I guess they can't even find real Plantation Hawaii anywhere on Oahu so they have to go to the "museum of Plantation history". Even better. :)

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and i just read this post and i agree with that one former governor is what my deceased father called the hawaiian playboy and it's wahiee and my Deceased father voted for both Ariyoshi and cayetano is he believed that these 2 former governor's were right for the job at the time and he didnt like current governor,Linda Lingle and i agree with him on linda lingle is she's much like the old boy network and im hoping she get's impeached so we'd vote and have a better governor like Former Governor's Ariyoshi and Cayetano.


Well thank's for your time:(

[kamuelakea]

:( hi this is sansei and i just read this post and i agree with that one former governor is what my deceased father called the hawaiian playboy and it's wahiee and my Deceased father voted for both Ariyoshi and cayetano is he believed that these 2 former governor's were right for the job at the time and he didnt like current governor,Linda Lingle and i agree with him on linda lingle is she's much like the old boy network and im hoping she get's impeached so we'd vote and have a better governor like Former Governor's Ariyoshi and Cayetano.


Well thank's for your time:(

As we say in Hawaiian "local style",

Arigato Gozaimasu Sansei San

Your people destroyed Hawaii. Congratulations! How do they say that in Japanee?

[sansei]

:( hi this is sansei and in my own humble response,you'd say omedeto gozaimasu and we didnt destroy hawaii,it was war and war only made it better for our generation which is now us and our parent's who are passing away and they did it for us.i hope this may help with your thought's?


Well thank's for your time:(

[oceanpacific]

Just to clarify the Gerard Jervis scandal at the Hawaii Prince Hotel. It was NOT his secretary, but a KSBE staff attorney he was involved with. :eek:

[kamuelakea]

:( hi this is sansei and in my own humble response,you'd say omedeto gozaimasu and we didnt destroy hawaii,it was war and war only made it better for our generation which is now us and our parent's who are passing away and they did it for us.i hope this may help with your thought's?


Well thank's for your time:(

Enjoy the final part of your ride cuz its coming to an end. If this is what you call winning a war, you funny kine.

Here's Why the AJA immigrant party is ovah!

1) You guyz stopped having babies. Just a matter of time before the Hawaiian, Soles and Portagees outnumber you 10 to 1.

2) This last generation started out marrying. Neva used to see an old Japanee grandma in Manoa or Pearl City holding a brown hair baby (grandchild). Now you see um.

3) Haole immigration is going to take over your old Shugah Kane stomping grounds on the Big Island and on Kauai and on Maui.

4) A Hawaiian Nation will be established and you won't be invited.

5) Japanese cultural center was run by a 1/2 japanese after it almost went bankrupt.

6) Cherry Blossom queens got haole faces and haole names.

7) No garanz job for the 20 something AJAs with the State or Unions anymore.

8) AJAs sending their kids to Punahou and Iolani now so that when they grad, they gotta go mainland for jobs. See U soon.

9) AJA Baseball will be sued or disbanded soon. Just a matter of time. Funny how everyone wants to sue Kamehameha Schools but not AJA Baseball?

10) Hawaiian Renascence allowed Hawaiians to finally feegah out AJAs were just Missionary Haoles with a different style to gaining power and destroying Hawaii.

Plantation is ovah brah. Maybe time to immigrate once more, no? As we say in Hawaiian, Sayonara!!!!!!!

[Leo Lakio]

Ah, once again the pathetic racist ramblings of Kamuelakea erupt forth...

[kamuelakea]

Ah, once again the pathetic racist ramblings of Kamuelakea erupt forth...

Ahhh once again Leo Lakio calls anyone who says anything that makes him uncomfortable a "racist" or a "bigot" or a "troll".

You are too predictable.

If you are going to call someones comment Racist, could you please identify them??

Funny how the comment made by Sansei that the 2nd overthrow by and for Japanese (implied in his post) was "war" and therefore all actions justified. That comment didn't bother you. Or how about my mention of the RACIST AJA Baseball league. No, that doesn't bother Leo Lakio. Just a list of facts and opinions, all of which are far from racist!!!!!

If someone wants to debate my points, bring it on. Don't just wimp out and call me racist. That's weak and rude.

[oceanpacific]

Ah, once again the pathetic racist ramblings of Kamuelakea erupt forth...

It's these kinds of rants that lower Kamuela's credibility and diminish my opinion of his views ................

[kamuelakea]

It's these kinds of rants that lower Kamuela's credibility and diminish my opinion of his views ................

Again, the passive agressive swipe at me.

If I am wrong, why not engage? Why not tell everyone reading this thread where I am mistaken. Or show how my comments are racist.

Really.

I looked over my top ten list and couldn't find anything racist except for AJAs in AJA Baseball.

[Leo Lakio]

racist
adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

Your general classification by racial characteristics of the behaviors, values, beliefs, attitudes, actions of an entire group of people - stating your prejudicial belief that all members of that group ("Plantation Asians" is one example) act and think the same, rather than as individual persons, is what would be classified as "racist."

Sorry that you are having trouble grasping the concept, Kamuelakea, and I hope this helps you to understand what I mean.

[kamuelakea]

racist
adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

Your general classification by racial characteristics of the behaviors, values, beliefs, attitudes, actions of an entire group of people - stating your prejudicial belief that all members of that group ("Plantation Asians" is one example) act and think the same, rather than as individual persons, is what would be classified as "racist."

Sorry that you are having trouble grasping the concept, Kamuelakea, and I hope this helps you to understand what I mean.



Oh, I get it. You mean like AJA Baseball only allowing Japanese to play on their baseball (isn't that funny?, not sumo but baseball?) teams. Yeah, that seems racist.

[Leo Lakio]

Sorry, Kam - I'm not going to play your game of psychological projection. I'm not talking about AJA Baseball, or Sansei's posts, or other people calling you "troll" in other threads; I'm talking about YOU and YOUR racist postings. Dance out of the spotlight all you like - you're not fooling anyone.

[kamuelakea]

Sorry, Kam - I'm not going to play your game of psychological projection. I'm not talking about AJA Baseball, or Sansei's posts, or other people calling you "troll" in other threads; I'm talking about YOU and YOUR racist postings. Dance out of the spotlight all you like - you're not fooling anyone.

Check Mate

[oceanpacific]

Again, the passive agressive swipe at me.

If I am wrong, why not engage? Why not tell everyone reading this thread where I am mistaken. Or show how my comments are racist.

Really.

I looked over my top ten list and couldn't find anything racist except for AJAs in AJA Baseball.


I don't waste my time fighting "unarmed" opponents. Why should I?

[kamuelakea]

I don't waste my time fighting "unarmed" opponents. Why should I?

Stick head in sand, elemu in da air, and everting looks jusss fine.

[oceanpacific]

Kamuela, you're just plain HOPELESS ........... *sigh*

[Composite 2992]

Anywayz, I saw Dole and Cannery and assumed Waipahu. I always forget about that Cannery place as a place to meet and shop. Never go. Terrible traffic juss like Costco.

Waipahu had a sugar mill. No cannery there.

As for the Hawaiians and Samoans outnumbering the AJA's, that's fine with this sansei. About time more Polynesians start thinking seriously about taking care of this place. My thought: If Hawaiians want justice, get an advanced education and take it all back. Very legal, very possible. But sometimes great tasks take time.

That's what lots of immigrants did: Get their kids an education that was good enough to earn a good living as doctors and lawyers. Then buy land in Kahala and Hawaii Loa Ridge. Some of the most affluent restaurant owners here left Vietnam and the Philippines with absolutely nothing. Now they own homes in some of the most posh neighborhoods.

Don't like your plight? Well, get smart and build something. Don't just sit there and whine.

As for a Hawaiian Nation, the members of the Hawaiian community have to become unified before it can ever hope to be established. Too many are thinking about their own interests and not putting the interests of the native Hawaiians first. Years have gone by and the various factions remain separate. Sad.

BTW, the "plantation asians" were the ones who built the Democratic Party and got unions the needed clout to bring many a living wage. Unfortunately absolute power sometimes corrupts absolutely. But if it weren't for these plantation types getting organized -- and that included a wide range of ethnic groups -- we'd all be carrying bango tags and owing our soul to the company store.

[kamuelakea]

BTW, the "plantation asians" were the ones who built the Democratic Party and got unions the needed clout to bring many a living wage. Unfortunately absolute power sometimes corrupts absolutely. But if it weren't for these plantation types getting organized -- and that included a wide range of ethnic groups -- we'd all be carrying bango tags and owing our soul to the company store.

Living wage? Who in Hawaii has a living wage? Only way you can live in Hawaii today, even with union wages, is to pile in 3 generations and 15 people along with 7 cars parked on the street outside.

Your Plantation Democrat Unions were so successful that they drove sugar prices up to the point where it became cheaper to get it from the Philippines and the Caribbean. So good, they killed their own business. And that even was with Dan Inouye's sugar protection for decades.

As far as owned by the company store, Hawaii hasn't changed in 200 years. Whether it was the one party Hawaiian Monarchy, the one party Haole Republicans or the one party Asian Democrats, it’s always been the same. People in Hawaii today are owned, psychologically and economically, by the plantation Asians. That's what makes most of you reading this very uncomfortable. You can't take attacking the monopoly power Plantation Asians. It makes you cringe in discomfort. Why? Cuz they own your mind. Seriously. And you probably don't even realize it and will argue the opposite.

You're more comfortable with the "absolute power corruptors" cuz it’s your people. But the problem is the same. You're all missionary Haoles or Ruling Monarchs to me.

[TuNnL]

Your Plantation Democrat Unions were so successful that they drove sugar prices up to the point where it became cheaper to get it from the Philippines and the Caribbean. So good, they killed their own business.Last time I checked, both Gay & Robinson and Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar Company were still in business. My guess is they will see record profits now that Hawai‘i has been tasked with producing its own ethanol.

As far as owned by the company store, Hawaii hasn't changed in 200 years. Whether it was the one party Hawaiian Monarchy, the one party Haole Republicans or the one party Asian Democrats, it’s always been the same. People in Hawaii today are owned, psychologically and economically, by the plantation Asians.Just what part of the company store do you think they own? The Big Five is still the Big Five (haole). KSBE is still KSBE (though they cleverly have taken the “BE” out of their name. Akamai, dees kanaka maoli!), and Campbell Estate is still Campbell Estate (haole/kanaka maoli). What da plantation Asians get? Servco? Oh wow, free Aerosmith concert at UH for their Toyota subsidiary. Big whoops.

That's what makes most of you reading this very uncomfortable. You can't take attacking the monopoly power Plantation Asians. It makes you cringe in discomfort.Oh, I'm totally comfortable with it. As far as attacking, I’m actually laughing at your sly, intentional attempt to confuse “political power” with “company store.” Try focusing on one argument for a change, instead of throwing everything but the kitchen sink into your absurd racist rant against Asians.

You're all missionary Haoles or Ruling Monarchs to me.And perhaps it's because you and other kanaka maoli think this way that has created your own dilemma, Kamu. Your braddahs have been selling out to the GOP from Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole to Duke Aiona. And what da Hawaiians got to show for it? Maybe it’s time to wake up, eh?

[kamuelakea]

Just what part of the company store do you think they own? The Big Five is still the Big Five (haole).

from answers.com

In the 1970s, as sugar plantations closed, many of the Big Five companies themselves were bought out. Where the companies are now:

* Theo H. Davies was bought in 1973 by British firm Jardine Matheson. The company now sells luxury cars. Until December 2004 it owned the Pizza Hut and Taco Bell franchises in Hawaii.
* C. Brewer was bought in 1978 by Philadelphia-based IU International, and was later bought out by its management in 1986. In 2001 the company's shareholders voted to liquidate the company over several years.
* In 1985, Castle & Cooke merged with Flexi-Van Corporation, owned by David H. Murdock. Murdock became its chairman after the merger, then took full control in 2000. It still owns large portions of Central Oahu and the Iwilei area of Honolulu around the former Dole Food Company pineapple cannery, as well as nearly all of the island of Lanai.
* Amfac was bought out in 1988 by Chicago-based JMB Realty. In 2002 Amfac declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy and emerged as Kaanapali Land, LLC. It owns 5,000 acres (20 km²) in West Maui. Its department store, Liberty House, was sold to Federated Department Stores and is now part of the Macy's chain.
* Alexander & Baldwin was not bought out and remains strong thanks to its ownership of Matson Navigation, the leading ocean transportation company between Hawaii and the U.S. Mainland. Today it owns about 91,000 acres (370 km²) of land and is the fifth-largest landowner in the state.


The Big 5 are dead or have long left Hawaii. You show your ignorance.

KSBE is still KSBE (though they cleverly have taken the “BE” out of their name. Akamai, dees kanaka maoli!), and Campbell Estate is still Campbell Estate (haole/kanaka maoli).

These estates were created by the Hawaiian Nation through Koko lines. That an AJA didn't get a cut is irrelevant to me. You should quit coveting that which was never Japanee. These estates were/are Hawaiian. You just show you assumption that you, as an Asian immigrant, should have some interest in that which is Hawaiian. If that is how you think, you have no business in Hawaii and should move to Japan or the continental U.S.

[TuNnL]

The Big 5 are dead or have long left Hawaii.No, they are alive and well. Some of them just have different names. Read your own post. Also, answers.com conveniently leaves out what wikipedia left in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Brewer_&_Co.). C. Brewer will continue under Doc Buyers.

(Bishop and Campbell) estates were created by the Hawaiian Nation through Koko lines. That an AJA didn't get a cut...Thank you for proving my point, Kamu. Except for Servco, AJA’s never owned the company store (WWII internment camps made sure of that). It was all Hawaiian, Haole and a brilliant pākē named Chinn Ho (http://starbulletin.com/1999/10/08/news/story9.html).

But hey, AJA’s have proven to be brave soldiers and akamai politicians, haven’t they? :D

[oceanpacific]

My old boss, an Air Force Lt. Col. in WWII, told me that he sympathized with the plight of the Nisei: they had to prove their loyalty in the face of the internment by fighting as members of the 100th Battalion and 442 Regimental Combat Team, with many losing their lives. Meanwhile, the "Pakes" (he himself was Chinese) at home bought all the land.

[kamuelakea]

But hey, AJA’s have proven to be brave soldiers and akamai politicians, haven’t they? :D

My old boss, an Air Force Lt. Col. in WWII, told me that he sympathized with the plight of the Nisei: they had to prove their loyalty in the face of the internment by fighting as members of the 100th Battalion and 442 Regimental Combat Team, with many losing their lives. Meanwhile, the "Pakes" (he himself was Chinese) at home bought all the land.

I completely agree with both of you. Nothing I say or have said (yet) can take away from the courage and bravery shown by AJAs in WWII. They were better than I would have been in the same situation. My country imprisoning citizens of my background? I think I would join the enemy's army first, but das juss me.

There are 2 separate issues here. The AJAs fighting for rights and repspect from the U.S.A and the AJAs using their overwhelming numerical majority and good ole fashioned American democracy to conduct the 2nd Hawaiian overthrow. While they are interconnected, they are not the same and I support one, not the other.

[nachodaddy]

...........the 2nd Hawaiian overthrow.

So when are we going to see the 3rd Hawaiian overthrow??? The one that undues all the evils of the last 150 some odd years and restores Hawaii to it's pre-colonial glory.

Not plantation asian BTW. I can track my ka-mon back to the mid Tokugawa period. My ancestors owned land, people, that kind of stuff. Like you, I can define when everything changed. In my case, my ancestors lost their way of life when Commodore Perry stormed into Tokyo Bay in 1852. It took time of course, but the bell was rung so to speak.

Tracing my family history, I obvious stumbled across the term 'colonization' and all of its analogs and was really interested how and if things came back full circle (with respect to not only the US, but the other superpowers at the time). What I have learned is the more violent the colonization, the more violent the repercussions were (and to a degree how successful the overthrow was). That kind of hate can transcend generations and keep people as a whole singularly focused. That in itself is a good thing if you are the one who is being, uh, don't want to get banned here, oppressed. Keeps you warm at night. And if you study it close enough from the outside, it makes you a student of war. Cuz their ain't been a successful overthrow for some time now without weapons involved.

But in your case, the overthrow, illegally I may add, was done with relatively little bloodshed. Which puts you in a little conundrum, if you follow history of course.

You got all the right reasons for a good ol' fashioned revolucion. But something has got to happen soon. Time is not on your side, Samuel. You said it yourself at one point. It is all about bloodline. And yours get thinner every generation.

I see a day where all that hate and anger and vibing of tourists is not going to be there. Locked in some history book, maybe. Lost in time.

...........Unless something happens. And I may add, I look forward to that day, if it does indeed happen before I leave this earth. You earned it. I got no horse in this race, nothing to gain, nothing to lose. Just kinda curious.

So I say again, when are we going to see the final overthrow? And what channel is it going to be on?

[Composite 2992]

There are 2 separate issues here. The AJAs fighting for rights and repspect from the U.S.A and the AJAs using their overwhelming numerical majority and good ole fashioned American democracy to conduct the 2nd Hawaiian overthrow. While they are interconnected, they are not the same and I support one, not the other.

Kamuelakea, I think you missed my point.

Hawaiians gotta get smart and work hard to get back what they lost. They can live off the beach and whine all they want, but what will really help them get it all back is getting the right education and taking it back with brains. Not brawn.

AJA's didn't get what they have by superior numbers. Immigrants pushed their kids to get a good education. And they, in turn, pushed their kids. My mom busted her ass and insisted on paying for my college education so I wouldn't have to be distracted by working for my tuition.

Vietnamese and other immigrants developed businesses on pure hard work and sweat.

Hawaiian kids have the same educational opportunities as the AJA's and others. Better, in fact, since one of the largest private schools is available for the asking: Kamehameha. Yet we hear more about the have-nots wringing their hands about what they don't have?!

Face it. Immigrants come here with almost nothing. Yet some can build empires. Why? Hard work. Dedication. Perseverence.

Give up the idea you're gonna get a hand out. Ever.

You want it? Earn it. Kamehameha did exactly that through cunning and sheer force. He didn't sit on some shoreline in Kona moaning about not controlling the rest of the island chain. He got up and did something about it. Wasn't pleasant, but it worked for that point in history. He wouldn't have gotten far if he grew up a clueless idiot, either.

I would love to see Hawaiians get their due. Everyone knows they deserve it. But it's NEVER going to happen with mere shouts or gripes. And if they take up arms, well, how long is that going to last? Two days? A week?

Get smart. Encourage your kids to become lawyers and honest politicians. Have them stand upon your shoulders so the next generation will inherit a better world.

By the way, I believe Waihee was Hawaiian. Yet, it seems only his friends benefited from his stint as governor. Where was the sense of Hawaiian unity then? Kinda goes out the window every time someone makes it to the top, huh?

[oceanpacific]

Waihee spent the surplus in his two terms that Ariyoshi built-up during his three terms. Cayetano was left holding an empty bag .................

[kamuelakea]

Waihee spent the surplus in his two terms that Ariyoshi built-up during his three terms. Cayetano was left holding an empty bag .................

Agree with dat. I don't like waihee just cuz he's Hawaiian. Waihee was a token governor. He got the support cuz we already had the Japanese guv for 16 years or something like that and the Plantation Dems needed to mix it up. So they picked the least "real" Hawaiian they could find who was electable. The guy married a Japanese foah cripes sake. Waihee was in over his head.

But still, Ariyoshi was a slick smart back stabbah who probably represented 25% of Hawaii, max. As they say about the missionaries, Ariyoshi started out with the Democrats to do good and he did very very well.

Cayetano is Hawaii's greatest Demagogue. None better. Weak leaders like Hugo Chavez and Ben Cayetano need that in order to incite people into supporting them. Bruddah was scared of Bulaia,.... who I voted for.

[1stwahine]

Bruddah was scared of Bulaia,.... who I voted for.

HAHAHAHAHAH

Too funny.

Good nite.;)

Auntie Lynn

[TuNnL]

Bruddah was scared of Bulaia,.... who I voted for.First of all, I’m pretty sure Cayetano had a good belly laugh over Bula‘ia (Shawn Kaui Hill). No fear there. I myself voted for Bu the first time (http://starbulletin.com/98/07/24/news/story8.html) he ran back in ’94. I was young and foolish. But so was Bu. Heck, he was so ignorant of the law, he didn’t realize he was legally to young to run and was disqualified! :eek: Even though Hill’s background showed a genuine interest in politics, his candidacy was basically a joke. By the time he ran a third time (http://starbulletin.com/2002/07/21/news/story3.html) in ’02, nearly every voter had dismissed his comedic antics and run-ins with the law as juvenile attempts to draw attention to himself.

[kamuelakea]

First of all, I’m pretty sure Cayetano had a good belly laugh over Bula‘ia (Shawn Kaui Hill). No fear there.

Wrongo. We can define "fear" i guess, but Cayetano sicked his attorneys on the case in order to get him disqualified PRIOR to the election. I may not remember the exact details but i think it was too late to get his name off the ballet so they wanted to make sure he was ineligible on Election Day. Cayetano wouldn't have done that he wasn't a little concerned.

I voted for Bulaia as a serious protest against one party domination. I would do it again. He might be a joke but no more that the current political system in Hawaii.

[1stwahine]

I also remember that time very well.

It is as you say.

Cayetano was scared of Bu!;)

Auntie Lynn

[oceanpacific]

I'm sure that Ben wasn't AFRAID, but would have been EMBARRASSED by a large turnout for Bu. Several of my nieces who were first-time voters chose Bu as his name was still on the ballot.

[1stwahine]

I'm sure that Ben wasn't AFRAID, but would have been EMBARRASSED by a large turnout for Bu. Several of my nieces who were first-time voters chose Bu as his name was still on the ballot.

heheheh

Ok...not afraid. Not scared. EMBARRASSED is betta.:p

Same ting...BU lost.:o

Auntie Lynn