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TuNnL
December 5th, 2007, 05:42 AM
Just when you thought maybe we shouldn’t fire Herman Frazier, his athletic department makes yet another a monumental mistake. Namely, giving back 4,000 Hawai‘i section tickets (http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071205/NEWS01/712050413/1001) to Sugar Bowl officials, when hundreds, perhaps thousands of fans who have already spent money on travel and/or accomodations can’t get a ticket!

What can/should be done about this? See just how many fans (http://www.topix.net/forum/source/honolulu-advertiser/TFVELV8KJGBNLSMJL) are pissed. :mad:

pzarquon
December 5th, 2007, 07:13 AM
Considering there are clearly more tickets already in circulation than there are available seats anywhere to get from Hawaii to New Orleans, it seems like a pretty reasonable call to me. If you were one of those brave risk takers who went ahead and made travel arrangements in advance of having tickets to the game, I suspect you'll have no problem finding ten people with the opposite problem.

scrivener
December 5th, 2007, 07:24 AM
Not at all a reasonable call. Bobby Curran was on the air Monday morning giving people advice on driving to New Orleans from Dallas, from Chicago, and even from Newark. Many callers said they were considering flying somewhere nearby and driving in. New Orleans itself is a frequent host of the SuperBowl, so it mostly has the infrastructure (including beds) in place for events like this, whether the planes have enough seats or not.

joshuatree
December 5th, 2007, 07:27 AM
Don't forget, one can try using Amtrak or Greyhound to get there from another city on the mainland. Just need to be creative.

Miulang
December 5th, 2007, 08:06 AM
The 2 closest airports outside of New Orleans are going to be Baton Rouge (about an hour and a half away) and Mobile, Alabama (about 2 1/2 hours--and you can stop by Austal and check on the progress of Alakai 2). Flying from Honolulu to Mobile via Delta, American or Continental will cost around $1000 RT, depending on the day you choose to fly (cheaper to fly on the holidays). You can also fly into Gulfport/Biloxi on American and pay less than $1000. Biloxi is about an hour away from NO.

Miulang

Random
December 5th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Hopefully the local news folk pick up on this and do frequent segments on how to get on the road to the Sugar Bowl. I'd rather see a lot of UH's greens than UGA's reds in the stadium seating.

TuNnL
December 5th, 2007, 04:49 PM
If you were one of those brave risk takers who went ahead and made travel arrangements in advance of having tickets to the game, I suspect you'll have no problem finding ten people with the opposite problem.For the sake of the Warriors’ loyal fans, I hope you are right. My gut, though, is a number of them will end up staring at eBay, and cursing their bank balance and the department’s short-sightedness. :eek:

TuNnL
December 6th, 2007, 06:46 AM
There’s a comment from UH’s heralded quarterback at the end of this video (http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/VIDEO05/71205005). Listen to what Colt Brennan himself has to say about the ticket fiasco. To me, that says it all. If the #1 cheerleader for this Sugar Bowl game cannot stand behind Frazier on this one, I say it’s time for him say aloha. His record (http://hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=168715&postcount=11) has been a concern for some time... but this is really the last straw. :mad:

Random
December 6th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Actually, Frazier is not only to blame. I'm wondering why Sugar Bowl officials want the 4000 tickets back.

Are the officials trying to eliminate UH's "12th man" on such an important day? Didn't realize some of the Sugar Bowl official are UGA's fans.

Our news media should investigate, stick a mike down the Sugar Bowl people's mouths and get some answers as to why they're singling out islanders.

Random
December 6th, 2007, 06:12 PM
KHNL's Jason Tang have just reported that UH will be getting back 500 tickets from the Sugar Bowl officials. Nothing official on when they're going to be on sale.

500? Out of 4000 tickets they're forced to give back? This is pathetic. Auwe! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hawai'i Bowl officials better be taking some lessons out of all this.

Kalihiboy
December 7th, 2007, 12:25 AM
I was in new orleans about six months ago and I would reccomend not hanging around the Superdome at night unless a game is on. It gets pretty bad in certain parts of that town and you have to be very careful. If you stay in the tourist areas it is great with lots of police and security around.

The historic streetcars were still not operating when I was there, still down from Katrina. I took a tour of the Katrina damage which is still very visable, 2 years later in various parts of the city.

Unfortunately I was there on a Monday when I decided to sightsee wanting to see the riverfront aquarium and state history musuem only to find it was state law that Mondays everything run by the state is closed, a tip for you folks going there.

Loved the benet's at Cafe Dumonde!! I think they are even better than Malasada's!! But be careful about eating raw oysters I had a bad experience with those to say the least.

Overall I had a great time there and I should mention how I got there, Honolulu to Phoenix on Hawaiian and then Southwest Airlines to New Orleans was cheap only around 89 bucks at the time.

Aj

Random
December 7th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Makes you wonder how the Sugar Bowl officials -- as well as NOLA county -- will handle security for the Sugar Bowl events leading up to, during, and after the game itself.

Kalihiboy
December 7th, 2007, 02:32 PM
I believe the NBA All Star Game will be in New Orleans in February, some players have expressed displeasure over this and want to boycott the game for fear of safety issues which I think are ridiculous. They had enough problems at the Las Vegas NBA All Star game last year, maybe it's because the NBA fans are coming into the city and causing more problems than the locals?

I stayed in the French Quarter area and the hotel security, valet's, etc. told me to be careful walking into certain areas I figure you should listen to people like that. Bourbon Street in my experience was still going strong at 2am in the morning so if you stay in that area it is okay.

They also have a casino high rise, Harrah's near the river, but I didnt get a chance to gamble there much to my dissappointment.

Aj

TuNnL
December 7th, 2007, 10:00 PM
Frazier is not only to blame. I'm wondering why Sugar Bowl officials want the 4000 tickets back.

Are the officials trying to eliminate UH's "12th man" on such an important day? Didn't realize some of the Sugar Bowl official are UGA's fans.

Our news media should investigate, stick a mike down the Sugar Bowl people's mouths and get some answers as to why they're singling out islanders.While it seems logical to assume that Sugar Bowl officials calculated Georgia would be the bigger draw, I wouldn’t give them a free pass. To date, I have read no media report detailing exactly what reasoning was used to spur an official to contact UH even prior to the Washington game, pressuring Frazier to cough up the tickets. I mean, c’mon — UH hadn’t even finished their season yet! What gives? :confused:

Random
December 7th, 2007, 10:17 PM
While it seems logical to assume that Sugar Bowl officials calculated Georgia would be the bigger draw, I wouldn’t give them a free pass. To date, I have read no media report detailing exactly what reasoning was used to spur an official to contact UH even prior to the Washington game, pressuring Frazier to cough up the tickets. I mean, c’mon — UH hadn’t even finished their season yet! What gives? :confused:
Mainlanders who don't want some outsider to spoil their party. I think they already made up their minds who should win in the Sugar Bowl.

I'm curious. How many tickets have been sent to UGA's athletic departments for their fans' cheering section, not counting teams' and coaches' tickets?

Pua'i Mana'o
December 7th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Frazier's head really should roll for this. If it doesn't, let the State Worker jokes commence.

pzarquon
December 8th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Hawaii fans are a tad late hopping onto bandwagon (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/danoneill/story/6318EA1F1A9E367D862573AA001965BD?OpenDocument)
Turns out the school went through its 13,500 tickets in a blink, leaving angry Warriors fans and season-ticket holders to fend for themselves. But hey, can you blame the school? The 10th-ranked Warriors earned a BCS berth to face the fourth-ranked Georgia Bulldogs (10-2) after finishing as the only unbeaten team (12-0) in the nation, led by one of Chase Daniel's Heisman Trophy finalist competitors, quarterback Colt Brennan. But keep in mind that, despite Hawaii's unprecedented season, its 50,000-seat Aloha Stadium sold out for only two of its seven home games this season.

kamuelakea
December 8th, 2007, 05:52 PM
You guys are missing the bigger story. I'm not shocked that they underestimated the interest in ticket sales. This was the BCS Bowl Game that would probably attract the least. I'm not shocked that thousands want to go but I am shocked that so many want to pay $2000 to go to a football game. If UH had thousands of unused tickets due to lack of interest, the same people ripping on UH for not having enough tickets would be ripping on UH for not planning for the "obvious"

The better story is that each school apparently can hold some tickets for "itself". Georgia held something like 1500 and immediately released a list of names of people who were getting them.

In typical Hawaii style, UH held something like 3000 and still has not released the list of names of the individuals. Good ole who you know system of local style administration. You know they have a list and could release it in the 5 seconds it would take to fax or email them to the media.

But nope, this is Hawaii. You don't like it? Move to Georgia.

Random
December 8th, 2007, 08:47 PM
You guys are missing the bigger story. I'm not shocked that they underestimated the interest in ticket sales. This was the BCS Bowl Game that would probably attract the least. I'm not shocked that thousands want to go but I am shocked that so many want to pay $2000 to go to a football game.
If they have to go through scalpers or eBay, they would. It's a once-in-a-lifetime event for UH. It's not they're one of the teams who could easily qualify for BCS berth every year. This is the year for Hawaii.

Granted, the BCS system sucks. But we all want to know in college football -- much like professional football -- who is the season's championship team.

TuNnL
December 8th, 2007, 10:45 PM
I am shocked that so many want to pay $2000 to go to a football game.I’m not. It’s not inconceivable that people did not attend the first five of UH’s home games, because they were saving their money for the big games (Boise State, Washington... and now Georgia). If UH had thousands of unused tickets due to lack of interest, That’s a ludicrous “what-if” scenario that any 5th grader playing Pop Warner will tell you would never happen after the season the Warriors have had. How many islanders fly to Vegas each year? Any faithful UH fan knows this is a probably a once-in-lifetime opportunity worth sacrificing for. :rolleyes:

oceanpacific
December 9th, 2007, 12:33 AM
I know many islanders who go to Vegas every quarter ......... and a lot of them are retirees.

dick
December 9th, 2007, 02:34 AM
I’m not. It’s not inconceivable that people did not attend the first five of UH’s home games, because they were saving their money for the big games (Boise State, Washington... and now Georgia).

People didn't give a rip. Plain and simple. They all thought the team would suck, and then "suddenly" the team didn't. And now they all want a piece of the pie.

Typical UH "fans." The same ones that boo Graunke, and who booed Chang.

That stadium should have been sold out from day one.

If they really "believed."

cezanne
December 9th, 2007, 08:48 AM
People didn't give a rip. Plain and simple. They all thought the team would suck, and then "suddenly" the team didn't. And now they all want a piece of the pie.

Typical UH "fans." The same ones that boo Graunke, and who booed Chang.

That stadium should have been sold out from day one.

If they really "believed."

Cosigned

Anyway, I doubt that the balance of the Superdome will be UGA fans. There will be a lot more people will be cheering for Hawaii than we think.

kamuelakea
December 9th, 2007, 03:21 PM
That’s a ludicrous “what-if” scenario that any 5th grader playing Pop Warner will tell you would never happen after the season the Warriors have had. How many islanders fly to Vegas each year? Any faithful UH fan knows this is a probably a once-in-lifetime opportunity worth sacrificing for. :rolleyes:

Eh, to each his own. Your money, spend it like you want. Personally, I couldn't imagine spending 2000 each to go to a football game unless it was my son or brother or husband playing in the game. To spend that kind of money to watch strangers play a football game is amazing to me. I'm not saying they shouldn't cuz they can obviously spend their money any way they like.

I would rather spend the 4000 grand per couple or 6000 per couple and 1 child on language lessons or sports training or piano lessons or family reunions or....on and on and on. But that's just me.

Must be an Asian thing. I notice plenny live 3 generations to a house, never leave home, but drive a Lexus and take plenny trips. Just like Japanese in Toyko, no house but lots of gadgets and vacations.

Random
December 9th, 2007, 03:26 PM
People didn't give a rip. Plain and simple. They all thought the team would suck, and then "suddenly" the team didn't. And now they all want a piece of the pie.

Typical UH "fans." The same ones that boo Graunke, and who booed Chang.

That stadium should have been sold out from day one.

If they really "believed."
If they're the typical UH fans, then what are we, who listens to the games on radio or watch the games in the warmth of our homes, rather than the old stadium?

Hypocrites? :rolleyes:

Random
December 9th, 2007, 03:28 PM
Eh, to each his own. Your money, spend it like you want. Personally, I couldn't imagine spending 2000 each to go to a football game unless it was my son or brother or husband playing in the game. To spend that kind of money to watch strangers play a football game is amazing to me. I'm not saying they shouldn't cuz they can obviously spend their money any way they like.
Then you shouldn't judge.

kamuelakea
December 9th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Then you shouldn't judge.

I didn't make a judgmental conclusion. I expressed a "judgment" as an opinion. I simply gave my opinion while clearly stating that people can do what they damn well please.

Can I give an opinion? Or are you the real Judge here?

Random
December 9th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Can I give an opinion?
Yes, you can.

TuNnL
December 9th, 2007, 10:48 PM
People didn't give a rip. Plain and simple. They all thought the team would suck, and then "suddenly" the team didn't.You are partially correct, but mostly wrong. People didn’t give a rip...at the beginning of the season...because the teams UH were playing suck big time. At no time did they ever thing the Warriors sucked. If there was any home game in which UH was NOT a heavy favorite before Fresno State, your theory might hold more weight. It’s all about supporting the team, when it really counts. A concept Herman Frazier, and (unfortunately) apparently you, fail to grasp.

That stadium should have been sold out from day one. If they really "believed."This is purely your opinion, and has no cause-and-effect or otherwise scientific rationale to it. Games sell out because the home team is playing a good team. Period. :rolleyes:

(Don’t take my word for it, Dick. Do some research. I’m willing to bet my car that 99% of the time, anywhere in America, when the home team plays a really good team, significantly more fans attend then usual.)

dick
December 9th, 2007, 11:54 PM
.

This is purely your opinion, and has no cause-and-effect or otherwise scientific rationale to it.

It most certainly is my opinion. I'm not a scientist. I merely play one in your mind. Thank you for taking note. It means so much to me.

And I'd like to thank the Academy, while I'm at it.

**insert weepy violin music here**

kamuelakea
December 10th, 2007, 01:57 PM
I believe there are "news" people who participate on Hawaii Threads. So when will the Hawaii media report on the 3000 tickets for the Sugar Bowl held by UH.

Georgia released its list of 1500.

Something tells me the media will wait or allow UH to delay until long after the Sugar Bowl has ended. Probably a few "news" people on the list of 3000 too.

Pretender
December 10th, 2007, 02:56 PM
I believe there are "news" people who participate on Hawaii Threads. So when will the Hawaii media report on the 3000 tickets for the Sugar Bowl held by UH.

Georgia released its list of 1500.

Something tells me the media will wait or allow UH to delay until long after the Sugar Bowl has ended. Probably a few "news" people on the list of 3000 too.

I read about it here: http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/08/news/story04.html

Hope to hear a response soon.

dick
December 10th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Probably a few "news" people on the list of 3000 too.

Where'd you get that idea?

kamuelakea
December 10th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Where'd you get that idea?

From my anti-one-party-Hawaii, anti-Plantation Democrat nepotism, corruption and favoritism paranoid mind.

I was born and raised in Hawaii and so have lived here many years. That's how things work. In Hawaii, its okay to cheat and scam and pull the backroom deals for the greater good. Embezzling isn't a bad thing in Hawaii so long as you are helping the friends and ohana.

No evidence on news people but if they don't demand the list, then I can only assume that some of their names must be on the list.

I don't understand all of the details but are these comp tickets as well? Either way, where's the list?? This is a public university and the information should be public, especially given the shortage of tickets for even season ticket holders.

joshuatree
December 10th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Looks like another 1000 tickets (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Dec/10/br/br3498270561.html) will be made available. So does this mean a bunch of unsold tickets are sitting around?

dick
December 10th, 2007, 04:51 PM
No evidence on news people

Well, well...

kamuelakea
December 10th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Well, well...

We will see, maybe.

kamuelakea
December 11th, 2007, 08:03 AM
Where's the list of the secret 3000?

There must be a list.

It could be faxed or emailed to the major media today.

Georgia already did it.

Will UH?

TuNnL
December 11th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Looks like another 1000 tickets (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Dec/10/br/br3498270561.html) will be made available. So does this mean a bunch of unsold tickets are sitting around?An interesting question considering both the Star-Bulletin (http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/06/news/story02.html) and the Honolulu Advertiser (http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071205/NEWS01/712050413/1001) previously reported that the Louisiana Superdome had sold out of tickets. :rolleyes:

Think the pressure of revealing who contacted Frazier is getting to them? :eek:

Random
December 11th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Where's the list of the secret 3000?

There must be a list.

It could be faxed or emailed to the major media today.

Georgia already did it.

Will UH?
Is it relevant?

What's your reason for seeing the list of secret 3000?

kamuelakea
December 11th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Is it relevant?

What's your reason for seeing the list of secret 3000?

Why don't you answer a question?

Why is it SECRET (your word).

Why would Georgia release their list????

Are these tickets Complementary?

Is this a PUBLIC institution???

ANswer those 5 questions and we can continue the conversation. Don't and you got something to hide.

6th Question: Do you have someone you know on the list of 3000?

Random
December 11th, 2007, 10:26 PM
Why don't you answer a question?
Because you did not ask me one. Oh, wait. You just did. Asked and answered.

Why is it SECRET (your word).
Your quote (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=177134&postcount=38).

Why would Georgia release their list????
Ask them.

Are these tickets Complementary?
Ask Frazier.

Is this a PUBLIC institution???
HT or UH?

ANswer those 5 questions and we can continue the conversation. Don't and you got something to hide.
We all have something to hide. However, you won't find any Sugar Bowl ticket on me.

dick
December 12th, 2007, 02:40 AM
So what about those "news" people?

Still waiting on that one...

kamuelakea
December 12th, 2007, 05:48 AM
Ask them.Ask Frazier.HT or UH?


Why don't the fools who call themselves "news" people ask the obvious questions. The fact that you expect some blogger on some website to do the most basic news gathering tasks shows how pathetic all the "news" infotainment, shocktainment, infowhores really are.

WHERE'S THE LIST?????????


WHO GOT THE SECRET 3000 TICKETS?????????

TuNnL
December 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM
So when will the Hawaii media report on the 3000 tickets for the Sugar Bowl held by UH. Georgia released its list of 1500.At least we now know (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Dec/12/br/br9465872031.html) that Louisiana politicians didn’t get their tickets on a complimentary basis. I find it funny that they were forced to buy theirs. Oh, the irony. Anyone want to take their tickets? Add that to the pot, no thanks to Frazier. :rolleyes:

christa
December 12th, 2007, 02:54 PM
well. i mean. we're doing a give-away at vre for the sugar bowl.
flight, hotel, and tix to the game for two.

it's a promotion running on am 1500 and 93.1..... you can go to one or all of the places we will be at and enter to win. then we draw the names dec 26th.

listen to those stations or pm me to find out locations/days-- we'll be doing this starting this week.

:)

kamuelakea
December 12th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Interesting. Now there never was 3000 secret tickets. There are just some tickets for the team and that's about it????

Last week, a UH official said the university had 3,000 tickets reserved from the initial 13,500 allotment. But Frazier said yesterday that number was inflated. The actual amount is closer to 1,250, with 1,000 tickets for the team and 250 for administrators.

Of the 1,000 tickets allotted for the team, a total of 114 student athletes who will travel to New Orleans were each offered six complimentary tickets, which amounts to 684 tickets.

That leaves the remaining number of tickets for coaches, medical, equipment and ground transportation staff and others, Frazier said.

Took Frazier that long to reconstruct his story????

Still seems fishy.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/12/news/story01.html

kamuelakea
December 14th, 2007, 07:49 PM
No worry everybody. First we said we had 3000 secret tickets. Dass juss one small kine mistake. Only 1200 for "da team". Ohana everybody. Nothing to see hear. Move along. News people, juss keep doing nuting like you alwayz do. Good job.

Suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz!!!!!

TuNnL
December 14th, 2007, 10:56 PM
The fact that you expect some blogger on some website to do the most basic news gathering tasks shows how pathetic all the "news" infotainment, shocktainment, infowhores really are.Nowhere in this thread (or in the Player’s Place section for that matter) have I read a post suggesting this expectation. The fact that you infer these things in the most exaggerated, embellished kind of way is the reason few if any on this board take you seriously, Kamu. Frankly, you are the only one expressing any interest about the “list” on HT. :rolleyes:

kamuelakea
December 15th, 2007, 08:11 AM
Nowhere in this thread (or in the Player’s Place section for that matter) have I read a post suggesting this expectation. The fact that you infer these things in the most exaggerated, embellished kind of way is the reason few if any on this board take you seriously, Kamu. Frankly, you are the only one expressing any interest about the “list” on HT. :rolleyes:

Ass cuz U juss one local boy. Your brain doesn't smell a problem with Hawaii, unlike Georgia, refusing to release a simple list of people getting what is essentially tax payer subsidized football game tickets, and who claim to have made a 2000 out of 3000 "mistake" when saying how many tickets they had.

Of course this is Hawaii and in Hawaii "local boys" like you have been well trained to never publicly question fraud, embezzlement and corruption when that corruption is tied to simply trying to "help out da bruddahz". No different than most of the corrupt Third World.

See in minds like yours TuNnl, kokua da bruddahz is a more valuable trait than honesty and efficiency. Thats why you happily and voluntarily agree to keep your head down, your mouth shut and your body out of the way. Cuz even if you aren't getting free Sugarbowl tickets, you don't want to cut yourself off of future gravy train via da connections culture that has become Hawaii.

I know TuNnl, may too hard for you to catch. But gotta try.

Aloha

kamuelakea
December 15th, 2007, 08:18 AM
By the way,

Did you notice that the UH Team has selected to fly to New Orleans on Hawaiian Airlines, not Aloha who they chartered for the Season away games??

Could it me that Aloha's smaller planes didn't have as many seats that they could give a way for FREE to family and friends?

I believe Alohas 737s only hold 132??
I believe Hawaiians mainland jets hold over 200.

See how many more cuzins bruddahs friends you can bring along for the ride.

I have no problem with people helping people. That small town mentality does also exist in Hawaii and its a wonderful thing. But in Hawaii, the transition over into corruption and embezzlement is an amazing aspect of local culture.

Most of you won't be able to grasp this cuz its the way your brain is wired.

Mahalo

cezanne
December 15th, 2007, 08:53 AM
By the way,

Did you notice that the UH Team has selected to fly to New Orleans on Hawaiian Airlines, not Aloha who they chartered for the Season away games??

Could it me that Aloha's smaller planes didn't have as many seats that they could give a way for FREE to family and friends?

I believe Alohas 737s only hold 132??
I believe Hawaiians mainland jets hold over 200.

See how many more cuzins bruddahs friends you can bring along for the ride.

I have no problem with people helping people. That small town mentality does also exist in Hawaii and its a wonderful thing. But in Hawaii, the transition over into corruption and embezzlement is an amazing aspect of local culture.

Most of you won't be able to grasp this cuz its the way your brain is wired.

Mahalo

I've read that 2 players share 3 seats on the plane. Also, the entire team is going which includes the red-shirt freshman and scout team members. That's 120 +/- versus the normal 60-player travel squad. Dunno, could be a reason.

I know what you're saying though... I still don't buy the explanations for the discrepencies (sp) in the numbers reported regarding the tickets. One of my theories was that there was some horsetrading going on for some prime seats at the expense of the regular Hawaii fan seats. It's like they got busted with that 3000 number after UGA reported how many tickets they had reserved for themselves (1350?).

kamuelakea
December 15th, 2007, 09:13 AM
I've read that 2 players share 3 seats on the plane. Also, the entire team is going which includes the red-shirt freshman and scout team members. That's 120 +/- versus the normal 60-player travel squad. Dunno, could be a reason.I

That's true and makes sense. Some of those lineman need 1.5 seats to be comfortable. Entirely fair. And to take the entire team and staff also completely reasonable. I'm sure that explains the upgrade to a larger plane. But their refusal to just make things transparent only makes the conspiracy theorists like me go wild.

So if the team and extras make up the 200 on the Hawaiian Flight, where did the other 2800 or 1000 tickets (depending upon when you asked UH) go?????

TuNnL
December 19th, 2007, 03:44 AM
Your brain doesn't smell a problem with Hawaii, unlike Georgia, refusing to release a simple list of people getting what is essentially tax payer subsidized football game ticketsSee, that’s where you are making a giant leap of an assumption, Kamu. You’re assuming that you know the money to pay for these tickets is coming from the state general fund. By this very assumption, I can infer that you think less of Herman Frazier then the vast majority of Star-Bulletin readers who rated his performance as “poor.” Because the only way state funds is paying for anything athletics-related is if through all Frazier’s available resources (football/basketball/volleyball revenue, UH Foundation, Nā Koa, free stadium rent, etc.), he still has a budget in the red. Oh wait. HE DOES! You think with that kind of situation, the BOR or the state legislature would cough up the kind of money it would cost to pay for that many tickets, in the clandestine manner you describe? (That’s to say nothing of the fact that such an expenditure would be a matter of public record ;) )

Yes, it seems fishy, Kamu. But you still haven’t explained how publicizing the names of people on the so-called “list” would expose “fraud, embezzlement and corruption.” That, my overzealous friend, is a serious stretch. :rolleyes:

kamuelakea
December 19th, 2007, 06:04 AM
Yes, it seems fishy, Kamu. But you still haven’t explained how publicizing the names of people on the so-called “list” would expose “fraud, embezzlement and corruption.” That, my overzealous friend, is a serious stretch. :rolleyes:

Sorry, I disagree.

There is paying for something directly.
And then there is paying for something indirectly.
If those tickets are "comped" as one would expect for the football team, staff, even cheerleaders and band, then they are not being sold. If they are not being sold, then everyone is losing potential profit.

Economics 101 my friend.

The question is why Georgia only needed 1000 to cover their team while Hawaii needed 3000. And then the secrecy.

First Hawaii says we will keep 3000.
Then they say, "Oh no, did we say 3000? We meant closer to 1200"
Then they say, "Hey everybody, look, we found this extra 1000 tickets".

Like children caught with their hand in the jar.

Typical Hawaii.

Always okay to embezzle, so long its for da ohana.

TuNnL
May 22nd, 2008, 03:19 AM
Sadly, it appears Kamuelakea was correct in his assessment. I never thought that we would still be talking (http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080522/SPORTS02/805220379/1032) about the “Sugar Bowl freebies” this late in the game (5 months later?!) I guess UH really is going to be arrogant about this. I hope Donovan realizes the honeymoon is over, and the “system” will scapegoat him for the ticket flap, regardless of what attorneys for UH may say to reassure him. :o

oceanpacific
May 22nd, 2008, 10:15 AM
My cousin is married to a UH professor and they have been football season ticket holders for years. I asked her if they had received an "invitation" for the Sugar Bowl and she mockingly replied that they apparently were "not among the chosen few." My question and her answer were made in jest. Now, it doesn't seem quite as funny.

Walkoff Balk
May 22nd, 2008, 08:04 PM
Isn't this how vindicated Jose Canseco's policy is like? You make a donation, and you won't appear in his book.

TuNnL
May 23rd, 2008, 02:27 AM
My cousin is married to a UH professor and they have been football season ticket holders for years. I asked her if they had received an "invitation" for the Sugar Bowl and she mockingly replied that they apparently were "not among the chosen few." My question and her answer were made in jest. Now, it doesn't seem quite as funny.Apparently, The Honolulu Advertiser doesn’t think it’s very funny either. They are now SUING the university (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/NEWS01/805230368/1001/LOCALNEWSFRONT) to make the list public. :eek: