View Full Version : Rare uncontacted tribe photographed in Amazon
LonLeroux
May 30th, 2008, 03:21 AM
Amazon Indians from one of the world's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air, with striking images released on Thursday showing them painted bright red and brandishing bows and arrows.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080529/sc_nm/brazil_tribe_dc
Wow...now, watch the rest of us go in and muck it up even more than we already have.
Note: Hopefully, this is the right place to put this item. If not, please tell me.
Also, I didn't see that someone had beaten me to the punch on this one. If that's not the case, please inform me of that as well.
MyopicJoe
May 30th, 2008, 03:31 AM
Welp, so much for the Prime Directive :p
Poor little guys, staring up at the helicopter (I'm assuming). If I was in an evil mood, I would introduce them to Jelly Bellies and then trade it with only the slackers of their community, just to see if I could topple their social structure.
(can't sleep with a stuffy nose)
LonLeroux
May 30th, 2008, 03:34 AM
Poor little guys, staring up at the helicopter
I know, can you imagine? These people know nothing about things like helicopters. I'm betting it scared the piss out of them.
I can hardly blame them for brandishing their weapons at the helicopter. If I was in their position, I would have done the same.....well, not really. I'd be hiding.
Jim75
May 30th, 2008, 03:36 AM
I just saw this item, too. I'm not even sure what to say except 'Leave 'em be'.
LonLeroux
May 30th, 2008, 03:40 AM
I just saw this item, too. I'm not even sure what to say except 'Leave 'em be'.
Oh, it would be nice to just let them be, but greedy humans will be greedy humans. I'm sure we'll find several ways to exploit them and their home.
We've been doing it for ages.
MyopicJoe
May 30th, 2008, 03:43 AM
I would have done the same.....well, not really. I'd be hiding.
In that case, you'd be the one I'd trade Jelly Bellies with.
Let's pray they don't turn this into some sort of reality tv show. "Half of all profits go towards Save the Tribes Foundation!"
LonLeroux
May 30th, 2008, 03:48 AM
Let's pray they don't turn this into some sort of reality tv show. "Half of all profits go towards Save the Tribes Foundation!"
Oy, gevalt....now, I see the next Survivor season taking place there.
And we all know that it's only a matter of time before Angelina Jolie adopts everyone in the bloody tribe!
MyopicJoe
May 30th, 2008, 04:19 AM
And we all know that it's only a matter of time before Angelina Jolie adopts everyone in the bloody tribe!
xD
You should contact her agent and broker a deal!
TATTRAT
May 30th, 2008, 05:06 AM
I find it highly interesting. I think it is AWESOME that there is still some mystery in the world, and that there ARE isolated pockets of civilization that live life in the most humble way. I have a lot of fascination for people/tribes like that and would love to know more about them. Unfortunately, it is impossible to know these people with out some sort of out side influence rubbing off.
MyopicJoe
May 30th, 2008, 05:29 AM
I find it highly interesting.
Yeah, they'd make good case studies. Like the fact they wear red paint seems to imply people are hard wired to be attracted to that color (probably because that's the color of blood?)
sinjin
May 30th, 2008, 05:41 AM
I think they'd be perfect for a Verizon commercial. Let's get them an agent.
MyopicJoe
May 30th, 2008, 05:51 AM
I think they'd be perfect for a Verizon commercial. Let's get them an agent.
LOL, sinjin :D
Ron Whitfield
May 30th, 2008, 06:20 AM
There was a film made at least a decade ago, where a hidden tribe with no contact ever outside there immediate rhelm discovered a Coke bottle in the dirt.
It actually ended up destroying thier existance as they had known it for hundreds of years.
sinjin
May 30th, 2008, 07:23 AM
There was a film made at least a decade ago, where a hidden tribe with no contact ever outside there immediate rhelm discovered a Coke bottle in the dirt.
It actually ended up destroying thier existance as they had known it for hundreds of years."The Gods Must Be Crazy" featuring the Bushmen of the Kalihari. They were not entirely pre-contact though. You'll remember that the Ranger Steyn's mechanic Sam Boga spoke their language. Great flick. You'll laugh till you cry.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080801/
A better parallel is in the film "At Play in the Fields of the Lord". Also a great movie. Kathy Bates is phenomenal.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101373/
timkona
May 30th, 2008, 08:22 AM
Stone age cultures, when contacted by modern man, suffer from a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. Even if they survive the contact for the first 100 years, in spite of disease they have no natural resistance to, they are doomed due to a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. This, in a nutshell, is essentially what happened in Hawaii. As has been shown in Hawaii, it is very difficult for the people to shake off the old and adopt the new. In fact, the fondness for the shadow of the past is the greatest obstacle to success in the future.
sinjin
May 30th, 2008, 12:09 PM
Stone age cultures, when contacted by modern man, suffer from a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. Even if they survive the contact for the first 100 years, in spite of disease they have no natural resistance to, they are doomed due to a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. This, in a nutshell, is essentially what happened in Hawaii. As has been shown in Hawaii, it is very difficult for the people to shake off the old and adopt the new. In fact, the fondness for the shadow of the past is the greatest obstacle to success in the future.You believe Polynesians had not experienced "social evolution"? Maybe what is hard is throwing off what is yours for what is foreign. Maybe what's is hard is accepting a new hierarchy that places you near the bottom. Maybe what's hard is embracing new values and mores advocated by apparent hypocrites.
Btw "Stone Age" hardly means what you seem to imply when there's no metal around with which to develop a technology.
LonLeroux
May 30th, 2008, 01:12 PM
You believe Polynesians had not experienced "social evolution"? Maybe what is hard is throwing off what is yours for what is foreign. Maybe what's is hard is accepting a new hierarchy that places you near the bottom. Maybe what's hard is embracing new values and mores advocated by apparent hypocrites.
Btw "Stone Age" hardly means what you seem to imply when there's no metal around with which to develop a technology.
Hear, hear!
salmoned
May 31st, 2008, 01:41 AM
I don't even get the headline - Is it rare because there are only 100 estimated uncontacted, i.e. uncontaminated, tribes as countered with the numerous that have been contaminated/assimilated? I view the rare bird as our civilization, you know, the single one that has 'integrated' all those others - now there's a real oddball in the group!
timkona
May 31st, 2008, 08:11 AM
Okay Sinjin, point taken. There probably are no social advancements within the evolution of humanity that are actually connected or related to the technological discoveries that came along with metallurgy (sp).
glurg. :cool:
sinjin
May 31st, 2008, 08:24 AM
Okay Sinjin, point taken. There probably are no social advancements within the evolution of humanity that are actually connected or related to the technological discoveries that came along with metallurgy (sp).
glurg. :cool:Please list a few "social advancements" related to metallurgy that were absent in pre-contact Polynesian society. Then we can deconstruct. I'm not trying to bait you. I just think you overplay your hand.
Walkoff Balk
May 31st, 2008, 11:41 AM
This could be a movie studio promotion of the new Raiders of the Lost Ark film and a re-released DVD of an early Harrison Ford in The Mosquito Coast.
Walkoff Balk
June 23rd, 2008, 07:53 PM
On Yahoo News, this story is revealed to be a hoax.
1stwahine
June 23rd, 2008, 07:55 PM
On Yahoo News, this story is revealed to be a hoax.
:D:p:D
Too funny.
TuNnL
June 24th, 2008, 05:02 AM
On Yahoo News, this story is revealed to be a hoax.Not exactly. Hoax would imply that they were fake. According to National Geographic, they are a real tribe (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080619-uncontacted-tribe.html), just not “unknown,” as previously reported.
Contrary to many news stories, the isolated group has actually been monitored from a distance for decades, past and current Brazilian government officials say. No one, however, is known to have had a face-to-face meeting with the nomadic tribe, which lives along the Peru-Brazil border.
TATTRAT
June 24th, 2008, 05:31 AM
Also, it was said that they basically marketed that way to bring awareness of the damage of logging in that are or something to that effect.
Though i am bummed that they are known, it is still fascinating to me that there are groups of culture that live that way, really awesome.
Composite 2992
June 24th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Stone age cultures, when contacted by modern man, suffer from a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. Even if they survive the contact for the first 100 years, in spite of disease they have no natural resistance to, they are doomed due to a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. This, in a nutshell, is essentially what happened in Hawaii. As has been shown in Hawaii, it is very difficult for the people to shake off the old and adopt the new. In fact, the fondness for the shadow of the past is the greatest obstacle to success in the future.
Ancient Hawaiians had a very sophisticated social structure and a self-sustaining population. The lack of material like metal didn't prevent them from making good use of other materials. For example, try drilling a hole through a rock without a carbide drill. The old Hawaiians did that all the time.
A tour through the Bishop Museum will have hundreds of examples of finely carved wood and bone, all done without steel tools.
What doomed the Hawaiians were misguided missionaries, backed by a better-armed force, intent on wiping out what they saw as an immoral culture and replacing it with their own.
The same thing happened to Easter Island, the Mayans, Native Americans, etc. Entire languages became nearly extinct because a group of narrow-minded zealots decided to burn books, smash tablets and force other thriving cultures to adopt a different way of life. Not better. Just different.
Walkoff Balk
June 24th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Also, it was said that they basically marketed that way to bring awareness of the damage of logging in that are or something to that effect.
Though i am bummed that they are known, it is still fascinating to me that there are groups of culture that live that way, really awesome.
The person who came up with this idea might have been influenced by the movie The Hoax with Richard Gere. At least this hoax wasn't covered up with lies upon lies like in the movie. It was based on a true story.
Menehune Man
June 27th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Ancient Hawaiians had a very sophisticated social structure and a self-sustaining population. The lack of material like metal didn't prevent them from making good use of other materials. For example, try drilling a hole through a rock without a carbide drill. The old Hawaiians did that all the time.
A tour through the Bishop Museum will have hundreds of examples of finely carved wood and bone, all done without steel tools.
What doomed the Hawaiians were misguided missionaries, backed by a better-armed force, intent on wiping out what they saw as an immoral culture and replacing it with their own.
The same thing happened to Easter Island, the Mayans, Native Americans, etc. Entire languages became nearly extinct because a group of narrow-minded zealots decided to burn books, smash tablets and force other thriving cultures to adopt a different way of life. Not better. Just different.
You know what?
I have to agree with all above.^
That doesn't change the fact that "now" is where were at,
so deal with it, eh?!
Because what is.... is.
I'm tired of looking backward to what could've been. Period!
Leo Lakio
June 27th, 2008, 06:53 AM
I'm tired of looking backward to what could've been.But you gotta know where you been, in order to see where you are and to plan where you are going.
salmoned
June 27th, 2008, 12:09 PM
Yes, the past and the future are as much a part of the 'Now' as the instantaneous moment. To not consider the continuum is a false way of looking at reality; one's momentary pleasure today can easily lead to interminable misery tomorrow without due consideration of the past and for the future. As well, what was done in the past is no different from what is being done now - we are still aggressively promoting our 'one right way to live' policy throughout the world, despite any misgivings we may have for our past transgressions.
Composite 2992
June 27th, 2008, 04:27 PM
It's funny how our country will go to great lengths to help ensure marine mammals are kept protected and unmolested. There are laws to prevent people from doing anything that would even slightly alter their normal behavior.
Yet there are no laws against ramming American customs and culture unto other societies. Seems there's more concern for seals and whales than other human beings.
Leo Lakio
June 28th, 2008, 06:44 AM
Yet there are no laws against ramming American customs and culture unto other societies.Sure there are --- just not American laws.
sinjin
June 30th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Yet there are no laws against ramming American customs and culture unto other societies. Seems there's more concern for seals and whales than other human beings.Without physical occupation of the territory in question, I think the "ramming" takes on voluntary aspects. In Hawaii's case you did have occupation of course.
AbsolutChaos
June 30th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Stone age cultures, when contacted by modern man, suffer from a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution. Even if they survive the contact for the first 100 years, in spite of disease they have no natural resistance to, they are doomed due to a lack of 5000 years of human social evolution.
I don't know. I think it could be argued that modern society has gone thru a social DE-EVOLUTION in some respects. :rolleyes:
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