View Full Version : How the US media blew it and still does
Ron Whitfield
June 3rd, 2008, 09:50 AM
Meanwhile, the Bushies are still denying any/all deceptions of the past, present, and future.
www.truthout.org/article/mclellan-and-his-media-collaborators (http://www.truthout.org/article/mcclellan-and-his-media-collaborators)
Walkoff Balk
June 3rd, 2008, 08:41 PM
Isn't George W. Bush been the best U.S president we had in the 21st century?
Okay, he has also been the worst U.S president in the 21st century too.
Its been the best of times, and the worst of times(ok, I did some sampling of that line)
Frankie's Market
June 3rd, 2008, 09:33 PM
I haven't bought McClellan's book yet, but it appears from the published excerpts that there's nothing particularly earth-shaking or revelatory that the liberal pundits and bloggers haven't already suspected. I guess McClellan doesn't consider Air America radio and the Doonesbury comic strip as being part of the mainstream media that has "failed" our country. Hmmm.
The main significance behind What Happened is that all the lies and deceptions propagated by the Bush administration is being confirmed, not by some left-wing commentator but from a White House insider. McClellan is like the Marlboro man who tells you that tobacco is (gasp!) addictive and bad for your health.
I notice that most of his critics have condemned him for things like betrayal and being disloyal to Dubya. Few (if any) actually dispute any of the substance.
Not surprisingly, the remaining Bush loyalists are busily trying to discredit McClellan. Basically the same ole' treatment that Nixon's men gave to John Dean when he initially blew the whistle on Watergate. Of course, 35 years later, we now know how much credibility that "traitor" Dean had in comparison to our distinguished President (Richard Nixon) and Attorney General (John Mitchell). I believe that the passage of time will likewise vindicate McClellan and condemn the likes of Dubya, Cheney, Rove, and Rumsfeld.
oceanpacific
June 4th, 2008, 12:05 AM
I likewise believe that history will vindicate McClellan the same as happened with John Dean. Dubya's circle isn't disputing the factual aspects of McClellan's assertions, but are wailing about "disloyalty."
How about considering who has been "disloyal" to the citizens of this country?
Leo Lakio
June 4th, 2008, 07:19 AM
The main significance behind What Happened is that all the lies and deceptions propagated by the Bush administration is being confirmed, not by some left-wing commentator but from a White House insider. McClellan is like the Marlboro man who tells you that tobacco is (gasp!) addictive and bad for your health.
I notice that most of his critics have condemned him for things like betrayal and being disloyal to Dubya. Few (if any) actually dispute any of the substance.My condemnation of him would be along the lines of "why didn't you speak up about these issues back when a few thousand lives might have been spared, rather than now - when you just have a book to sell?" McClellan was a big part of the game that he now condemns; he profited from it then, and wants to profit from it now.
TuNnL
June 4th, 2008, 09:15 AM
My condemnation of him would be along the lines of "why didn't you speak up about these issues back when a few thousand lives might have been spared, rather than now - when you just have a book to sell?" McClellan was a big part of the game that he now condemns; he profited from it then, and wants to profit from it now.Give me a break, Leo. I didn’t expect this from you. You’re in the media.. you know it wasn’t Scott McClellan’s job as White House spokesman to be debating policy with the Bush administration. :p
His job was to disseminate the position of President Bush to the media and the public. It’s very possible that he himself was misled not just by what was said in meetings he attended, but in meetings that even White House counselor Dan Bartlett admits (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24875222#24875222) they deliberately kept him out of. This is so he could have “plausible deniability” meaning if he told the media “I don’t know,” he really didn't know. :rolleyes:
Leo Lakio
June 4th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Give me a break, Leo. I didn’t expect this from you. You’re in the media.. you know it wasn’t Scott McClellan’s job as White House spokesman to be debating policy with the Bush administration. :p
Yes - but in promotion of the book, he's playing it as if he was just another victim of the administration's spin. Sorry, but he knew where his pay came from, and he lost any claim to innocence once he cashed his first paycheck. You gonna tell me he never had any discussions with Rove & Company as to how to sell the invasion of Iraq to the American Public?
Ron Whitfield
June 4th, 2008, 09:46 AM
Yep, Scott has nobody to blame but himself for being such a sucker to these obviously (prior to 2000) wretched people he spoke for. He took over for Ari 'the liar' Fliescher and did so gleefully.
Of course he had to play ball if he wanted to stay on the team and in the game. He was a willing patsy and now resents those that easily set him up and then burned him. Tony Snow was very game for it and Dana Perino is doing the same thing. I wonder what thier books will evemtually say.
There is actually quite a bit relavent material in his book dispite what the puppet pundits are saying.
Bush is said to have admitted cavalierly that "yeah, I did it" when asked if he was the one who orchestrated the traitorist outing of Valery Plame, having all along denied his own culpability in the matters, and saying that anybody involved in it would no longer be in his administartion! I'd love to ask his creep of a father about how he now feels about his creep off the old block son being the ultimate American traitor, as he publicly said that outing a CIA agent was a traitorist act. Senator Waxman is now seeking material concerning the revelations of Bush & Cheney's total involvment in this dispicable act, that in the not too distant past would have them lined up in front of a firing squad. They will successfully run out the clock on the matters as far as thier term in the White House, but it should never go un-challenged in court to the ultimate ends.
Everybody media person whose in the right wing pocket is again reading from the same page to disparage McClellan and to his credit he's not caving in, much. But to hear Bob Dole squak so veheamently about disloyalty shows how deep this anti-American Republican bi-partisan crap is. He's out to pasture and is about to have a heart attack over it.
Frankie's Market
June 4th, 2008, 07:26 PM
One person who I wish would write a tell-all book is Colin Powell.
Ron Whitfield
June 4th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Yes, starting with why he insisted for years in the '60s that the incident at My Lai never happened until a Congressional report finally was released and stated that the massacre was true.
Leo Lakio
July 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM
A Seattle columnist's take on McClellan's book tour (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=612241&bk). Largely matches my opinion.
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