Big oil wins again

[Ron Whitfield]

www.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_exxon_valdez (http://www.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_exxon_valdez)
This one they blew. But par for the course on the subject matter.

[timkona]

There you go blaming big oil and big guvmint. Second verse same as the first.

For the last 20 years, it has been impossible to build nuclear power in the US due to the politics of NO, incidentally the same folks who are likely most incensed by the lunatic decision of the SC. (And, believe me, I sympathize with you on this one.) So America continues to use coal and OIL to electrify our world. We are way behind France on this one.

For the last 20 years, solar power (PV) has been economically viable on any new home built. For the last 10 years, it has been econ viable on any remodel. This fact is absolutely irrefutable up to about 50 deg latitude. American Consumers simply do not CHOOSE the technology. Germany is way ahead of us on this one.

Consumers only recently have started to CHOOSE to purchase gas sipping vehicles. I'm happy to see so much solar H20 in Hawaii. Perhaps we should somehow remove the red tape/beauracracy/PofNO from the whole process and grease up the path to alternatives especially the most controversial like Nuclear and Hydroelectric.

In closing, I have 2 cars at 40 and 35 mpg, and I always try to start up "commutes" with carpenters I work with. Solar H20. CFL everywhere. I'm making CHOICES. Each person, INDIVIDUALLY, must decide for themselves to reduce their dependence on oil, by making choices, and by NOT targeting the wrong things for protest and delay.

[Random]

There you go blaming big oil and big guvmint. Second verse same as the first.

For the last 20 years, it has been impossible to build nuclear power in the US due to the politics of NO, incidentally the same folks who are likely most incensed by the lunatic decision of the SC. (And, believe me, I sympathize with you on this one.) So America continues to use coal and OIL to electrify our world. We are way behind France on this one.

For the last 20 years, solar power (PV) has been economically viable on any new home built. For the last 10 years, it has been econ viable on any remodel. This fact is absolutely irrefutable up to about 50 deg latitude. American Consumers simply do not CHOOSE the technology. Germany is way ahead of us on this one.

Consumers only recently have started to CHOOSE to purchase gas sipping vehicles. I'm happy to see so much solar H20 in Hawaii. Perhaps we should somehow remove the red tape/beauracracy/PofNO from the whole process and grease up the path to alternatives especially the most controversial like Nuclear and Hydroelectric.

In closing, I have 2 cars at 40 and 35 mpg, and I always try to start up "commutes" with carpenters I work with. Solar H20. CFL everywhere. I'm making CHOICES. Each person, INDIVIDUALLY, must decide for themselves to reduce their dependence on oil, by making choices, and by NOT targeting the wrong things for protest and delay.
It's one thing to choose to reduce the dependency on oil. It's quite another when something like oil spill could be prevented but didn't and someone must be held accountable and compensate for the disaster that are affected by it.

That's like going to a restaurant, ate e-coli burger and not being able to settle for a big amount with the restaurant because you choose to eat meat.

Or go to a salad bar, ate salmonella tomato and not being able to sue because you choose to be a vegetarian.

[LocalMotion]

i'm usually against absorbent damages when it comes to lawsuits, but the 2.5 billion seemed average at best considering the amount of people involved and the profits of the company in question.

To decrease that by 80% is catastrophic and lets you know that somebody was bought on this one.

[Ron Whitfield]

The so-called clean up was a waste of $ at best, and morally criminal in that it was known that it would be mostly a sick joke, which it ha shown to be. The oil is still in vast quantities just below the surface and has ruined the lives of the wildlife there and those that depend on it.

Those people that suffered so greatly from this unneccessary disaster will now get about 15K each, while Exxon just keeps on raking in billions of profit and happily doing what they do because they know someone controlling the strings always has their back.

Nuclear power has been another disaster waiting to happen and happen, while they still have no idea of how to deal with the waste, handle Chyrnobal like disasters, or attacks. The word NO has been good.

To leave it up to individuals to do the right thing and somehow end up with it all working out to the benefit of us all is never going to happen. There are way too few that give a rip or can do much of anything to promote the matters. This where the government has to step in and get it done in the best manners, but de-regulation has shown itself to be a joke, benefitting only those that wish to skirt laws and ethics. I too wish it weren't so, but we've seen the truth all too often, and winding up to our great detriment.

[Random]

For the last 20 years, it has been impossible to build nuclear power in the US due to the politics of NO, incidentally the same folks who are likely most incensed by the lunatic decision of the SC. (And, believe me, I sympathize with you on this one.) So America continues to use coal and OIL to electrify our world. We are way behind France on this one.
Nuclear power has been another disaster waiting to happen and happen, while they still have no idea of how to deal with the waste, handle Chyrnobal like disasters, or attacks. The word NO has been good.
Heh, I can't wait for France and her Eiffel Tower to start glowing anytime soon. Also, to see Paris's anorexic models sporting extra limbs and extra boobs.

Yeah, the French don't impress me much.

[Random]

To leave it up to individuals to do the right thing and somehow end up with it all working out to the benefit of us all is never going to happen. There are way too few that give a rip or can do much of anything to promote the matters. This where the government has to step in and get it done in the best manners, but de-regulation has shown itself to be a joke, benefitting only those that wish to skirt laws and ethics. I too wish it weren't so, but we've seen the truth all too often, and winding up to our great detriment.
Sometimes all it need is to start with a few, then pass what they know to their children to follow the practice. Never said it's going to change overnight nor in your lifetime, but it will change eventually.

[Ron Whitfield]

I used to agree , but the time for that theory has passed. We had our best shots before '80 and Reagan, but life was too good for most Americans and now it's too late. The old frog in the pot thang.

[TuNnL]

There you go blaming big oil and big guvmint. Second verse same as the first.Whether or not ExxonMobil is at fault in the oil spill is not in question, Tim. ExxonMobil lost the case, so yes, they are liable. Whitfield and gang are just upset because the Supreme Court reduced the amount of the settlement, which is a good point. Half a million$ hardly scratches the surface of how much damage ExxonMobil did to the environment in the incident. And they can afford to pay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL_3bDrpWVw) a lot more with their $40 billion in profits this year.

For the last 20 years, solar power (PV) has been economically viable on any new home built. For the last 10 years, it has been econ viable on any remodel. This fact is absolutely irrefutable up to about 50 deg latitude. American Consumers simply do not CHOOSE the technology.Luckily, here in Hawai‘i, we have no choice in the matter — thanks to Governor Lingle. She signed a bill (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/BREAKING01/80626053&s=d) today that makes it mandatory for all new homes to have solar water heaters.