Cartwright or Moiliil Field?

[Ron Whitfield]

Has the name of the oldest baseball field in Hawaii, Cartwright Field, been changed to Moiliili Field?
The Bus calls it out as Moiliili Field.

Trivia question -
When was the first baseball game played in Hawaii, who won, and the score?

No fair googling! Gotta be smarter than me!

[lavagal]

Actually, Ron, if you're listening carefully, you'll also hear Brickwood Galuteria call out Varsity Theatre. I think the recordings need to be edited and/or updated.
As for your question, I don't have an answer!

[Ron Whitfield]

They havn't used Brick's voice for a couple of years now. But I thot it was better than what they use now, especially when it's at deafening levels!

[lavagal]

They havn't used Brick's voice for a couple of years now. But I thot it was better than what they use now, especially when it's at deafening levels!

I ride the bus every day. I definitely hear him. My point is the recordings are old.

[Walkoff Balk]

Those are better than Termite Palace.

[Honoruru]

Actually, they are two separate fields -- Cartwright Field (corner of Keeaumoku & Kinau Streets ... a hidden gem) and Moiliili Field (corner of Isenberg and King Streets).

I used to play in a mountain ball league played at Cartwright Field. The way the field was laid out, it was perfect for me. I could throw a mountain ball curve ball, if the wind was right. Loved that field!

As to where the first baseball game was played in Hawaii, I have no idea.

[scrivener]

I am also not sure Cartwright Field is the oldest baseball field in Hawaii. Where did you hear that?

[Ron Whitfield]

It's over 100 years old and I've heard that it was THE oldest, so if it ain't, then which field in opperation is?

Honorur, you're correct, so that answers that. Thanx. I had wrong info from way back.
To close this out, the trivia answer - 1866, Natives 2 - Haoles 1
Que the fat lady...

[Kalihiboy]

Used to live a block from Cartwright Field, unfortunately they had a fatal stabbing near the park last week.

Makes sense that Moiliili Field is in Moiliili and that park dates back to the old Honolulu Stadium days.

Aj

[scrivener]

According to this entry (http://www.hawaiianhistory.org/moments/baseball.html) at the Hawaiian Historical Society, Cartwright Field is the site of the first baseball diamond in Hawaii, so you might be right. However, the article doesn't cite any references and I haven't been able to locate anything to corroborate, even after about an hour in my local library.

I have a keen interest in this subject, and I make an annual visit to Cartwright's grave, so it would be great if I could find something authoritative to back this up.

[Walkoff Balk]

It's over 100 years old and I've heard that it was THE oldest, so if it ain't, then which field in opperation is?

Honorur, you're correct, so that answers that. Thanx. I had wrong info from way back.
To close this out, the trivia answer - 1866, Natives 2 - Haoles 1
Que the fat lady...
I think the Natives won that game on a bottom of the nineth "walkoff balk" by Capt. Cook.

[Honoruru]

Cartwright Field may be the oldest baseball/softball field in Honolulu. I don't really know. But if you've ever gone there, it does seem that the rest of the city was built around it.

It's in an odd location, next to, and almost under, the H-1 overpass. With H-1 at its back, and across the street, beyond right and center field, a seedy row of stores and apartment complexes, bordered and protected by dark, heavy trees, this park almost seems an oasis.

[D'Alani]

Showing my age but the road by the basketball courts was the entry to the original H1 freeway which at that time was called the "mauka arterial"
The Keeaumaku St. overpass was non existent.

[Walkoff Balk]

Used to live a block from Cartwright Field, unfortunately they had a fatal stabbing near the park last week.


Aj
Any ghost sightings at night in that area?

[bittersweet]

Ghosts? Huh? Scary! :eek: I live right across the street...all I see are 10 million micronesians & their children, and occasional baseball/softball games.

[Leo Lakio]

...all I see are 10 million micronesians & their childrenThis makes me think, "good thing they are 'micro'-nesians, or else 10,000,000 wouldn't fit on one field." ;)

[Creative-1]

Alexander Joy Cartwright laid out the modern rules of baseball in New York in 1846. He went to California for the Gold Rush but left for Hawaii in 1849.

Dan Cisco's "Hawaii Sports" book says he laid out Hawaii's first baseball diamond in 1852 at Makiki Field, now called Cartwright Field.

Hawaii's first recorded modern baseball game was held on July 4, 1866 at a field now occupied by Central Union Church (formerly "Woodlawn," BF Dillingham's estate).

Cartwright was the first to be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1939. Players at Ebbet's Field in Brooklyn toasted Cartwright that day with a special drink.

Anyone want to guess what drink it was?

[scrivener]

Alexander Joy Cartwright laid out the modern rules of baseball in New York in 1846. He went to California for the Gold Rush but left for Hawaii in 1849.
The basic structure of the game was formalized by Cartwright and others (in 1845, actually, 'though I think the first game played under these rules was in 1846). I'm one of those baseball geeks who thinks it's more accurate to call him the father of modern baseball, or really the Johnny Appleseed of modern baseball, as I did in this thread (http://hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=4848&page=2). Also, I don't think he left for Hawaii: I think he left for China, but he hated riding on the boat and got off in Hawaii, where he swore he would never set foot on another boat, which is why he spent the rest of his life here.

Dan Cisco's "Hawaii Sports" book says he laid out Hawaii's first baseball diamond in 1852 at Makiki Field, now called Cartwright Field.
Does he cite his sources? I'd really like to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps I'll track that book down.

Cartwright was the first to be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1939.
This one I know is incorrect because it's one of the things I memorized when I was hoping to get on a certain television gameshow. Cobb, Matthewson, Wagner, Ruth, and Johnson were the first five in 1936. It's tough to argue the validity of any of these men's rights to the honor, but how Matthewson got in before Young will always be a mystery to me. Cartwright was inducted two years later.

Players at Ebbet's Field in Brooklyn toasted Cartwright that day with a special drink.
That would be Ebbets Field (no apostrophe), but you got me on the drink! What was it?

[Frankie's Market]

This one I know is incorrect because it's one of the things I memorized when I was hoping to get on a certain television gameshow. Cobb, Matthewson, Wagner, Ruth, and Johnson were the first five in 1936. It's tough to argue the validity of any of these men's rights to the honor, but how Matthewson got in before Young will always be a mystery to me.

Not a mystery to me. Although Cy Young had more career wins, Christy Matthewson had a significantly higher winning percentage (.665 to .618). Young was able to accumulate more wins as he played in an era where he routinely racked up 40+ starts per season. Matthewson began his career at the turn of the 20th century, when teams employed more pitchers and stars like Matty typically averaged about 35 starts.

[scrivener]

Not a mystery to me. Although Cy Young had more career wins, Christy Mathewson had a significantly higher winning percentage (.665 to .618). Young was able to accumulate more wins as he played in an era where he routinely racked up 40+ starts per season. Mathewson began his career at the turn of the 20th century, when teams employed more pitchers and stars like Matty typically averaged about 35 starts.
Oh, I'm not saying Mathewson wasn't a first-tier Hall of Famer. Take any one of the others out of history and I'd say he's a definite first-fiver. He may even have been a better pitcher than Young. But we are talking about a difference of a 138 victories, and we are talking about the first five guys to walk into those hallowed halls. Sometimes greatest trumps best; in this case, I think Young is the obvious choice.

But you make a good point, and I guess I can see how others would feel differently.

[bittersweet]

This makes me think, "good thing they are 'micro'-nesians, or else 10,000,000 wouldn't fit on one field." ;)

Haha! funny! :D

[Creative-1]

Does he cite his sources? I'd really like to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps I'll track that book down.

Yes, he has a bibliography, and it's extensive, but it's not clear which sources are for which set of facts.

Cobb, Matthewson, Wagner, Ruth, and Johnson were the first five in 1936. Cartwright was inducted two years later.

I double-checked and you are correct. Cartwright was in 1938.

You got me on the drink! What was it?

The day Cartwright was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, players at Ebbets field toasted him with PINEAPPLE JUICE!.

[Walkoff Balk]

The day Cartwright was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, players at Ebbets field toasted him with PINEAPPLE JUICE!.
Did it have the Dole label on the can?