Another takeover of Iolani Palace

[LikaNui]

I'm a bit surprised that there's been no mention yet of last night's takeover of Iolani Palace by yet another sovereignty group, one that nobody had heard of before.
You can click here for the Advertiser's story (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080816/NEWS01/808160334/1001) and you can also click here to see the Star Bulletin's story (http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/16/news/story01.html).
Twenty-two people were arrested. One or more of them attacked a palace volunteer while a police officer just stood by and watched. :eek: :mad:

[turtlegirl]

Awww, man! And on statehood day?!

[turtlegirl]

Beating up that poor volunteer is definately not the way to gain support for their cause. What a bunch of jerks. I'm glad they were arrested, and I hope that they are fully prosecuted. I repeat - What A Bunch Of Jerks!

[LikaNui]

Awww, man! And on statehood day?! I believe they did it specifically because it was Statehood Day.
I agree with your second post too, of course, and will add again that I think that cop who refused to help should be investigated, or at least the reason he refused, saying it was not his "jurisdiction." :mad: If that's really the truth, then that's a rule that clearly needs to be changed immediately.

[Keanu]

I believe they did it specifically because it was Statehood Day.
I agree with your second post too, of course, and will add again that I think that cop who refused to help should be investigated, or at least the reason he refused, saying it was not his "jurisdiction." :mad: If that's really the truth, then that's a rule that clearly needs to be changed immediately.

I believe it is the truth. The officer could have responded if the state called HPD for assistance but the Palace is under the purview of the state and state law enforcement.

These guys are making a mockery of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement. Hawaiian groups need to work together; this kinds of antic serves no real purpose aside from unintentionally casting the Hawaiian sovereignty movement in a negative light.

[Likeke]

Wow.. can't believe what is happening, li'dat! :eek:

[timkona]

Reminds me of when my daughter used to want to play tea-party, and pretend we were king and queen. So cute.

[TuNnL]

I think that cop who refused to help should be investigated, or at least the reason he refused, saying it was not his "jurisdiction." :mad: If that's really the truth, then that's a rule that clearly needs to be changed immediately.I believe it is the truth. The officer could have responded if the state called HPD for assistance but the Palace is under the purview of the state and state law enforcement.Agreed. I am actually surprised that LikaNui, of all people, would post something so ignorant. Federal, state and city officers are responsible for their own jurisdiction. If anything, maybe this is a wake-up call to the state sheriffs. :eek:

[Konaguy]

Agreed. I am actually surprised that LikaNui, of all people, would post something so ignorant. Federal, state and city officers are responsible for their own jurisdiction. If anything, maybe this is a wake-up call to the state sheriffs. :eek:


This is utterly ridiculous. The lady was being physically assaulted all the while one of Honolulu's finest just stood there. All law enforcement are duty bound to protect the public's safety. By just standing there and doing nothing breaches that duty.

If he was concerned about jurisdiction, he could've called for DOCRE or Sheriffs to address the situation. But instead he did absolutely nothing. If this is true, this police officer is embarrassment to police officers everywhere.

[LikaNui]

I am actually surprised that LikaNui, of all people, would post something so ignorant. Federal, state and city officers are responsible for their own jurisdiction. Jurisdictions are obvious to everyone, TuNnl. No need to call me ignorant, except that it shows your own ignorance.
The point is that the HPD officer did nothing. Didn't make any calls on his radio to the agents who could have handled it, even if the female might've been more injured due to a delayed response time, which is also an unacceptable delay.
In any case, mister-know-it-all, how about this Breaking News story (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080816/BREAKING01/80816010):


Police to review 'Iolani Palace response

Gov. Linda Lingle said today that it would be a serious breach of the oath taken by officers of the Honolulu Police Department if reports are true that a police officer watched on and did nothing as a female palace employee was reportedly assaulted during a takeover of 'Iolani Palace by an activist group on Friday.
Meanwhile, Honolulu Police Chief Boisse Correa issued a statement that said "Although no formal complaint has been made, I am aware of the allegations regarding our initial response and have directed that an internal review be conducted."
Correa's statement said police assistance was requested by the state Department of Public Safety, which itself was assisting the state Department of Land and Natural Resources, which is responsible for palace security.
"As a result of the request, I authorized that all necessary resources be provided," the statement said. "HPD's position has always been to provide full support for any law enforcement agency that requests it. The individuals who were arrested had clearly violated the law."
The governor seemed even more concerned about another unconfirmed report that a caller who dialed 911 during the alleged assault was also told, "It's not our jurisdiction," the governor said yesterday when asked by a reporter.
"It's so serious that if either or both (of the allegations) is true, then there has been a serious breakdown in the law enforcement oath that people take," said Lingle.
Lingle stressed, however, that the allegations are so significant that it's important for people not to jump to any conclusions until the facts are known.
At this point, she stressed, the allegations are only rumors. However, she added that if it turns out there's any truth to either, "We'll need to sit down with the mayor, the council and the police commission and talk this through."
"But I want to caution everyone to reserve judgment until we know what the fact are."
(...)
Lingle said the DLNR is now in the process of reviewing the rules regarding 'Iolani Palace security. Those rules need to be rewritten in order to restrict access in order to maintain security, she said.
(...)
Fifteen of those arrested face misdemeanor trespassing charges. But another eight of the protesters were arrested on suspicion of second-degree burglary, a "C"-class felony under Hawai'i law punishable by up to five years in prison.
Those arrested on suspicion of the burglary offense were His Majesty Akahi Nui, leader of the group, as well as Wayne Nunes, Vinessa Fimbres, Tanya Kaahanui and Terry Kaahanui.
Also arrested on suspicion of burglary were Donald Love-Boltz, Waynette Nunes and Akahi Wahine
At 4 a.m. this morning, signs were posted at entrances to the place grounds saying the palace grounds are closed "until further notice."
The signs cited section 13-146-4 of the Hawaii Administrative Rules as the authority under which the grounds were closed.
The DLNR officers were backed up by a group of eight deputy sheriffs who kept watch of the palace grounds from the pedestrian mall between the State Capitol Building and the palace grounds.
(...)

[TuNnL]

The lady was being physically assaulted all the while one of Honolulu's finest just stood there ... he could've called for DOCRE or Sheriffs to address the situation. But instead he did absolutely nothing.
The point is that the HPD officer did nothing. Didn't make any calls on his radio to the agents who could have handled itYet another ignorant statement. All of this is hearsay. You don’t know what occurred, you are simply making an assumption.
In any case, mister-know-it-all, how about this Breaking News story (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080816/BREAKING01/80816010):Apparently, you chose to ignore the most important part of the article:Lingle stressed, however, that the allegations are so significant that it's important for people not to jump to any conclusions until the facts are known.

At this point, she stressed, the allegations are only rumors.Well said, guvnah.

[LikaNui]

CNN had picked up the palace takeover story earlier today, but they've now included the shameful police non-response to the assault.
Swell. Great national and international PR for our state. Nice going, HPD. :mad:

[LikaNui]

Yet another ignorant statement. Yes, yours is.

All of this is hearsay. You don’t know what occurred, you are simply making an assumption. Instead of spending your time attacking me, perhaps you should do a bit of checking and read the statements about the assault and the non-response from the eyewitnesses.
Gosh. Those pesky witnesses. :rolleyes:

[TuNnL]

Instead of spending your time attacking meAt no time in this thread did I attack you. I simply called your statements ignorant, of which you have not provided any facts that call that assessment into dispute. You, on the other hand did attack me personally in post #10 (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=206175&postcount=10).

perhaps you should do a bit of checking and read the statements about the assaultAh yes, more from the Star-Bulletin which you chose to ignore:Alfred Love, a group member who contended he was a federal marshal, denied that anyone had been manhandled at a side gate.Again, I implore you to wait until the facts come out, before making any judgements. ;)

[LikaNui]

TuNnl, you really are embarassing yourself.
I'm watching the 6pm KHON news as we speak, and leading the news they had some quotes from... eyewitnesses to the assault. :eek:

Alfred Love, a group member who contended he was a federal marshal, denied that anyone had been manhandled at a side gate. Alfred was a member of the group that tried to take over the palace, right?
And he gave himself the title of "federal marshal", right?
And you wouldn't expect a member of that group to admit to the assault, right?
And you wonder why I chose to ignore that part of the SB article, right? :rolleyes:

Anway. Back to the real story.
KHON interviewed the buffoon from Maui who claims to be the rightful king and who led the takeover attempt last night. He said his plan was to chain himself to the throne.
Except he said he and his group couldn't find the throne!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

[scrivener]

I'm not going to go looking for it now, but it didn't sound like the woman was manhandled from what I read; it sounded like they were trying to shut the gate in front of her or behind her or something, which would explain her injuries.

[Walkoff Balk]

They better not dig out or pat themselves like they didn't bring their wallets when the high electricity bill, water bill, and the maintenance fee arrive for the Iolani Palace.
What's the deal with protesters picking on the little helpless ones? These Iolani Palace protesters blitz a woman volunteer. The Olympics protesters attack a handicap athlete. The Superferry protesters started pounding on any automobiles exiting the ship.

[TuNnL]

I'm watching the 6pm KHON news as we speak, and leading the news they had some quotes from... eyewitnesses to the assault.Like scrivener has pointed out, it has not been determined that the woman in question was assaulted. The very 6pm KHON news (http://www.khon2.com/home/video/?vid=27061609) you cite, included only one eyewitness in its report, the executive director of Friends of ‘Iolani Palace — hardly an “objective bystander.” :p Interesting that no assault charge has been filed, nor a complaint to HPD.

And you wouldn't expect a member of that group to admit to the assault, right? And you wonder why I chose to ignore thatAs I just stated above, you are choosing to ignore one group member in favor of another. Your case gets weaker by the second. :rolleyes:

KHON interviewed the buffoon from Maui who claims to be the rightful kingThis type of name-calling does little to enhance your credibility. Sort of like your penchant to attack me, simply because I identified some ignorant bias in your earlier statements. :cool:

[LikaNui]

Okay, KHON has yesterday's story on their website at this link (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/27061609.html), including this quote from the self-proclaimed "king":
“We was looking for the throne and the throne was down stairs I had the flashlight,” protestor Majesty Akahi Nui said.
The leader of the group, Majesty Akahi Nui, says he is the king of the Kingdom of Hawaii and a descendant of King Kamehameha the great.
“I wanted to be locked up on the throne, they was going to lock me up with all chains and I wanted to sit right there…we had the chain but we couldn’t find the throne,” Akahi Nui said.


:p

[LikaNui]

Like scrivener has pointed out, it has not been determined that the woman in question was assaulted. So the governor and police chief Correa are both demanding investigations into the assault because... ? Very clearly there are enough grounds to begin investigations into the HPD's inaction.

The very 6pm KHON news (http://www.khon2.com/home/video/?vid=27061609) you cite, included only one eyewitness in its report But... but... just an hour ago you wrote that it was all "hearsay" and you argued with me about there being eyewitnesses. Now you have to agree you're aware of at least one.
And that doesn't include the other witnesses that were quoted in the news earlier today.
Hardly "hearsay."

, the executive director of Friends of ‘Iolani Palace — hardly an “objective bystander.” As I just stated above, you are choosing to ignore one group member in favor of another. Your case gets weaker by the second. No, yours does. Watch the KHON video interview of the "king" again, then ask yourself if he is more believable than the executive director of the Friends. If you were on the jury, who would you believe? :rolleyes:

This type of name-calling does little to enhance your credibility. Again, watch the KHON video. The "king" is indeed a buffoon. He couldn't even find the freaking throne, much less lead the Kingdom Of Hawai`i. :p
And by the way, your opinion of my credibility is of no concern to me at all. Especially after your uncalled-for attack of me over in the CNN Polls thread last week.
Feel free to put me on Ignore. I promise not to lose any sleep over it.
Now, can you stick to the story itself?

[timkona]

Watch the KHON video interview of the "king" again,

Elvis? Is that you? Oh wow, I knew you weren't dead.

Poor SovMov folks. No unity. No real plan. Poor execution. Lots of money wasted on lawyers who are giving bad advice. Jail time. Torn up families. Sad kids.

Get with the program you guys. Start with Pearl,:eek: as I've mentioned before. Do it during fleet week, so the harbor is stacked with subs and carriers. Be sure to coordinate with Hickam, Schofield, et al. Guarantee it's what Kamehameha would have done. With tons of blood and death.

Only then will anybody take you seriously.

glurg :cool:

[buzz1941]

If someone was injured, for whatever reason, are all the demonstrators liable?

[Walkoff Balk]

It's Good to be the King. You can "cop a feel" any hot chick, and then wink at the camera.;)

[Composite 2992]

think that cop who refused to help should be investigated, or at least the reason he refused, saying it was not his "jurisdiction." :mad: If that's really the truth, then that's a rule that clearly needs to be changed immediately.

So if HPD has such a hard rule about jurisdiction, would the response be the same if someone were being stabbed to death? If there's a burglary in the State Library HPD wouldn't investigate? I recall seeing cops deal with an armed man on a sailboat -- they jumped him from a Coast Guard vessel. So where was the "jurisdiction" then?

[Composite 2992]

In an on-camera interview, Akahi Nui admitted to having been convicted of prior felonies including burglary and assault. Nice going for someone claiming to be a descendant of alii. I'm sure all the Kamehamehas are proud of this guy since he claims to be part of that family's lineage... as so many others tend to do.

He claims to be alii and is unable to find the throne room? He wants to run an entirely independent country, but can't even find the dang chair!

[Konaguy]

Yet another ignorant statement. All of this is hearsay. You don’t know what occurred, you are simply making an assumption.

TuNnL, I don't appreciate you calling my opinion ignorant. I'm not stupid as your thinly veiled comment is implying.

I call it as I see it-if you can't deal with it, too bad. I'm sticking to my opinion until proven otherwise.

[Konaguy]

From Hawaii Reporter (http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?48c65218-da99-4ebd-8506-7fb5894ae495)

"In a scuffle, three Kingdom of Hawaii Ministry Trust members harmed at least one palace worker, Noelani Ah Yuen, the facilities manager at Iolani Palace, when they slammed her in between the palace grounds gate. Ah Yuen, who was physically under attack, saw a city policeman nearby and called out for his help, but he refused to come to her aid saying the palace grounds are not his jurisdiction. She was taken to Queen’s Medical Center with injuries to her back and neck.

Kippen de Alba Chu, executive director of The Friends of Iolani Palace, was livid at the way the city law enforcement refused to help his staff or protect the palace.

“I personally witnessed one of our staff members being physically assaulted by a member of the Kingdom of Hawaii Nation. A police officer standing by did nothing to help her saying that it was not his jurisdiction. At one point during the evening the alarms went off in the barracks building and our security staff called 911. They were told it was not 911’s jurisdiction and to call the state. This extraordinary landmark and the people who care for it deserve every protection the state and our local police force can muster.”

[timkona]

What's the stupid cop's name?

It's likely the cop is a sympathist for the SovMov. Just another opportunity in Hawaii for some smart lawyers to make a fortune off of someone's ignorance.

Akahi Nui admitted to having been convicted of prior felonies including burglary and assault......I'm sure all the Kamehamehas are proud of this guy

King Kamehameha is revered in Hawaii despite the fact that he was a blood thirsty, sociopathic, murderer with no remorse. He "unified" the islands. He did not conquer them. Hogwash.

Let's go to a land, kill the leaders, and lots of the people, including some children, claim the resources, and install leaders that we like. We will do it under the guise of peacemaking and unifying.

You think I'm describing Kamehameha in Oahu or Bush in Iraq?

[LikaNui]

More of some interesting tidbits in today's Star-Bulletin. First, from the story at this link (http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/17/news/story04.html) we find these nuggets:
Followers of James Kimo Akahi had planned to chain him to the throne in Iolani Palace that he claims for the Kingdom of Hawaii.
But, Akahi said yesterday, the group couldn't find the throne room after breaking into the historic building.
Akahi, 67, of Haiku, Maui, said he had never been inside the palace until Friday -- Statehood Day -- when he and 22 others in a Hawaiian sovereignty group were arrested by state officers.
(...)
Akahi claims the throne of the Kingdom of Hawaii as a descendant of King Kamehameha I, calling himself "Majesty Akahi Nui, King of Hawaii."
He acknowledges that people "think I'm crazy." But he said he has papers to prove his genealogy.
He said he is signing treaties with other countries to support his mission "to take back Hawaii, my nation."
Charles Kauluwehi Maxwell Sr., a Hawaiian priest and longtime activist in the Hawaiian community, said he's known Akahi for many years. "He's a real common guy, nice guy, very pleasant person. Not pushy," said Maxwell by phone from his home in Pukalani, Maui. "He's a nice guy and everything, but I think he's misguided. There's a lot of misguided people and it's sad."
Court records show Akahi has 20 criminal convictions in Hawaii that date back to 1961, including assault, theft and burglary.
(...)
The Free Hawaii sovereignty group says on its Web site that "Majesty Akahi Nui, grandnephew of Queen Liliuokalani, was coronated King of the Hawaiian nation at the Iolani Palace" on Feb. 22, 1998.
(...)


Interesting. At the beginning of that quote he says he's never been in the palace, and at the end he says he was coronated there ten years ago. Must have been on the grounds and not inside, though some writer should follow up on the discrepancy.
And then from a different story at this link (http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/17/news/story02.html) from the SB today:

The state Attorney General and Honolulu police will investigate allegations that police did not provide prompt assistance during Friday's attempted Iolani Palace takeover.
Witnesses said a Honolulu police sergeant stood by when a palace employee called for help when she was allegedly manhandled inside the gates of the palace, which is state property.
City 911 operators also told palace employees that state property is outside police jurisdiction when Iolani Palace employees called for help, palace officials said.
Interesting. "Witnesses". Plural. More than one witness.
Not that I'm directing that point to anyone in particular, of course. :rolleyes:
More of that story:

Lingle said she instructed the state Attorney General's Office to investigate both incidents, including reviewing the 911 tapes and interviewing the police sergeant allegedly involved.
In a written statement, Honolulu Police Chief Boisse Correa said he is aware of the allegations, and has ordered an internal review.
(...)
The palace grounds remained closed to the public this weekend after members of a group called the Kingdom of Hawaii, Nation locked the gates of Iolani Palace and entered the palace starting at 5:30 p.m. Friday.
About two dozen police officers responded to the scene.

Wait a second. Two dozen police officers responded to the scene?! But it allegedly wasn't their jurisdiction. HPD got the call when the invaders were already inside the palace, and they went there for that but wouldn't help a woman being assaulted right in front of them?!?? :confused: :mad:
Palace employees and Kippen de Alba Chu, executive director of the Friends of Iolani Palace, also said they were denied assistance when they called 911. "Employees". Plural. Again. So there were multiple witnesses to the assault and multiple people also reported about the 911 calls being ignored.
Strike two.
'Nuff said on that part of it.
Lingle said the jurisdiction issue came up in May when another group, the Hawaiian Kingdom Government, locked out visitors to the palace. During that incident, state sheriffs spearheaded law enforcement activity and the Honolulu Police Department did not get involved except when Correa visited the group to talk informally.
"I spoke with Chief Correa at the time and he talked about the jurisdictional issues. We sort of let it pass at the time," Lingle said.
Oops. Shouldn't have said that, Governor. If the assaulted woman sues the state and the HPD (and you can bet the land sharks lawyers are circling already), you're now on the record for admitting being at fault by saying "We sort of let it pass."

Anyway, there's one more story at this link (http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/17/news/story03.html) from today's SB, about how other soveriegnty groups feel about the invasion.
Lots of reader comments at each of today's three stories, too. Probably interesting.

[Keanu]

What's the stupid cop's name?

It's likely the cop is a sympathist for the SovMov. Just another opportunity in Hawaii for some smart lawyers to make a fortune off of someone's ignorance.

Akahi Nui admitted to having been convicted of prior felonies including burglary and assault......I'm sure all the Kamehamehas are proud of this guy

King Kamehameha is revered in Hawaii despite the fact that he was a blood thirsty, sociopathic, murderer with no remorse. He "unified" the islands. He did not conquer them. Hogwash.

Let's go to a land, kill the leaders, and lots of the people, including some children, claim the resources, and install leaders that we like. We will do it under the guise of peacemaking and unifying.

You think I'm describing Kamehameha in Oahu or Bush in Iraq?

Tim, tread lightly.This is a highly inflammatory post.

[timkona]

tread lightly.

LOL. No Fear Here. This is Hawaii, not Oakland, CA. In fact, I just had a "regulator" event at the beach while camping this weekend. If you want inflammatory, I can provide that also.

If what I say upsets you, perhaps you should stop asking folks to read it to you. :D

[Frankie's Market]

Sad that this latest palace "takeover" will probably lead to the following measures:

1) Beefed up (and possibly armed) DLNR security force on the Palace grounds, around the clock.

2) Increased security camera surveillance, both inside the building and throughout the grounds.

3) Metal detector at the gates.

Sad how the vanity of a few is spoiling it for everyone else. :(

[buzz1941]

But here's a different case, (http://starbulletin.com/2004/09/17/news/index3.html) in which a HPD officer acted quickly and decisively with a citizen.

[tutusue]

But here's a different case, (http://starbulletin.com/2004/09/17/news/index3.html) in which a HPD officer acted quickly and decisively with a citizen.
I'm confused now. Isn't the lack of HPD assistance related to the citizen/volunteer victim being on Palace grounds? The victim in your cited article wasn't anywhere near the Palace.

I've witnessed HPD officers reacting quickly but I've never seen an altercation at the Palace. Or, am I missing something? :confused:

[lavagal]

What I want to know is: Did everyone put on their booties?

[Leo Lakio]

What I want to know is: Did everyone put on their booties?Thanks for the smile in the midst of this thread, Lavagal.

[buzz1941]

I'm confused now. Isn't the lack of HPD assistance related to the citizen/volunteer victim being on Palace grounds? The victim in your cited article wasn't anywhere near the Palace.

Nothing to do with the Palace, everything to do with police officers.

[Walkoff Balk]

Was this incident labeled "The Malice in the Palace?" Was the Kings Ron Artest there?

[lavagal]

Was this incident labeled "The Malice in the Palace?" Was the Kings Ron Artest there?

Do you mean this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1oe9IZ6S0&feature=related)?

[Frankie's Market]

We need for all of the facts to be revealed before jumping to any conclusions about HPD's response (or lack thereof) to the latest occupation of Iolani Palace. But already, the police chief (Boisse Correa) seems to be taking a defensive position instead of having an open mind.

http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/17/news/story02.html

In a written statement, Honolulu Police Chief Boisse Correa said he is aware of the allegations, and has ordered an internal review.

Correa defended the police response, saying that their assistance was requested by the state Department of Public Safety.

"As a result of the request, I authorized that all necessary resources be provided," Correa said. "The actions taken by our officers last night were appropriate."

So without knowing all of the facts regarding the sargeant who is alleged to have taken no action on a Palace employee being assaulted,.... without knowing all the facts on why it took 3 hours for HPD to finally take action against this Kingdom of Hawai'i group, Chief Correa sums up the performance of his department as being "appropriate." How disappointing.

Seems to me that Correa may not be maintaining an objective viewpoint on the matter of Hawaiian sovreignty groups taking over the Palace. When another "Kingdom of Hawai'i" group took over the palace grounds a few months ago, it was reported that Correa not only talked with Queen Mahealani Asing and her supporters, but that he hugged and shook hands with them. Granted, he did so out of uniform and not in an official capacity. But it wouldn't surprise me if the sargeant and the 911 operator accused of saying that they couldn't do anything because it's "not in their jurisdiction" could be taking their cue from the Chief.

Personally, I think more than an internal investigation is merited.

[timkona]

Just read a bunch of comments in the Star website. Gosh, I'm cracking up.

I have this vision of Don Knotts playing the king, and slapstick comedy watching him and his group of nitwits try to find the throne.

And Keanu thinking MY post was offensive. Bwahahahahahahahahaha. Gut hurts. Tears flowing. Cheeks are cramping from the perma-smile.

At best, the SovMov has been reduced to a cartoon on the Editorial Page.

[Konaguy]

It does appear that an assault took place (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080817/BREAKING01/80817034&s=d&page=12).The AG just arrested a retired provost marshal in connection with this alleged infraction today.

On that note,there was a interesting comment posted here (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080817/BREAKING01/80817034&s=d&page=9#pluckcomments) about this situation.

"To: sfka2000

Your post is biased and poor. Check your information before you spew crap from your mouth. My friend works with the employee who was assaulted. She was already INSIDE the gates (duh, she was at work) and they tried to force her OUT. These are not freedom fighters - they're thugs!"

[TuNnL]

I'm confused now. Isn't the lack of HPD assistance related to the citizen/volunteer victim being on Palace grounds? The victim in your cited article wasn't anywhere near the Palace.

I've witnessed HPD officers reacting quickly but I've never seen an altercation at the Palace. Or, am I missing something? :confused:
Nothing to do with the Palace, everything to do with police officers.C’mon Burl, that’s a cop out. Tutusue is bringing up an important point here. HPD is the only common denominator in your article, which is otherwise irrelevant. The main issue here is that ‘Iolani Palace is a state monument, and as such, where are the state officers (DLNR, state sheriffs, etc.) in all of this? As far as I’m concerned, this is dereliction of duty on their part. The mere fact that they got there after HPD, particularly less then three months after a similar sovereignty group incident, is a disgrace. :mad:

The easy thing to do, is point fingers at the cops. That seems to be the cool thing to do these days. :rolleyes:

[LikaNui]

I have this vision of Don Knotts playing the king, and slapstick comedy watching him and his group of nitwits try to find the throne. Did you see Saturday and Sunday's posts on Ian Lind's blog (http://ilind.net/)? He agrees with you, Tim:
Maybe this latest group of monarchists should forget the occupation and concentrate on the screenplay. It’s a definite winner: A hapless band of would-be monarchists, led by the bumbling but charming ex-con, leave their base on Maui to launch an assault on the palace he has previously claimed as his own during a coronation ceremony ignored by virtually everyone. What he really wants now is to chain himself to the throne but has no idea where to find it once they’ve broken into the building. Their ambassador arrives in a taxi and hurriedly puts on a cast-off United Nations jumpsuit. They’re able to make substantial progress towards their goal because of a simmering political dispute between city and state law enforcement officials. Palace employees huddled in a locked room call 911 to report they are under seige only to be told that they are out of the Honolulu Police Department’s jurisdiction. It could be a hilarious “Viva Max” redux without Davy Crockett and the Alamo, or perhaps something more along the lines of Peter Seller’s classic, “The Mouse that Roared”.

:D

[timkona]

And yet, in all this, lots of folks in Hawaii will tell you it's the school system that sucks.

Did you ever read "The Bell Curve"?

I mean, seriously folks, how could you NOT be embarrassed to the core of your cultural identity.

[buzz1941]

C’mon Burl, that’s a cop out.

"Cop out," heh heh.

I'm curious that --- apparently --- both an officer on the scene and the 911 operators raised the jurisdiction issue when asked for help. That doesn't sound like a snap judgement. Sounds like a point that had already became department policy.

'Iolani Palace is owned by the state and operated by a non-profit so that it may be accessed by the world as a showcase of Hawaiian culture. There is a generation that has grown up "entitled" to believe it is stolen property.

[MyopicJoe]

Maybe the other sovereignty groups should provide security for Iolani Palace?

Rather presumptious to declare oneself the "heir to the Hawaiian throne" and to claim he's "acknowledged by major sovereignty groups". Does a diservice to his fellow Hawaiians.

Ah well. Like they say in show business. Any publicity is good publicity.

I notice their website doesn't use AdSense. That's a shame. They could have banked. They need to get on the ball, if they hope to take over Hawaii.

The Kingdom of Hawaii, Nation.
The Hawaiian Kingdom Government.
The Judean People's Front.
The People's Front of Judea.
The Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ.

KOH,N has the same letters as KHON.

They might have better luck suing the descendants of Captain Cook for $150B (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93613600). I just hope they remember to hire lawyers schooled in U.S. law and not some uncle schooled in ancient Hawaiian law.

[MyopicJoe]

Did you see Saturday and Sunday's posts on Ian Lind's blog (http://ilind.net/)?

Haha. That was a good one. Thanks for linking, LikaNui.

[Adri]

What I want to know is: Did everyone put on their booties?


Today's Advertiser article quotes someone saying that they did wear booties because they knew the floor was delicate (although they apparently weren't wearing booties later). :D

[buzz1941]

They also opened doors with a sledgehammer and crowbar.

[Leo Lakio]

They also opened doors with a sledgehammer and crowbar.Ah, now that's the kind of respectful behavior that will draw favorable attention to their cause.:rolleyes:

So unfortunate. I think Keanu had it right when he said:this kinds of antic serves no real purpose aside from unintentionally casting the Hawaiian sovereignty movement in a negative light.

[Keanu]

Just read a bunch of comments in the Star website. Gosh, I'm cracking up.

I have this vision of Don Knotts playing the king, and slapstick comedy watching him and his group of nitwits try to find the throne.

And Keanu thinking MY post was offensive. Bwahahahahahahahahaha. Gut hurts. Tears flowing. Cheeks are cramping from the perma-smile.

Exactly my sentiments when I read your "regulator" comments. That was hilarious!

Considering the source of the distasteful comments on Kamehameha, I shouldn't have been offended; I should have realized then what I realize now...you are just an incorrigible, ignorant, buffoon.

[Keanu]

Ah, now that's the kind of respectful behavior that will draw favorable attention to their cause.:rolleyes:

So unfortunate. I think Keanu had it right when he said:


Yikes, I really need to read my posts before I send it. I meant to say this kind of antic.

[timkona]

Might I inquire as to which statements were "distasteful". ??

Or my statements on King K were lies? Come on Keanu...this will be fun.....no harm intended.

Ah yes....name calling....a safe harbor.

[Walkoff Balk]

I have this vision of Don Knotts playing the king, and slapstick comedy watching him and his group of nitwits try to find the throne.


Wasn't there a movie in the 1970's with Don Knotts called The Apple Dumpling Gang? Where's Dorf on Golf? So, Will this incident have The Mountain Apple Gang?

[timkona]

Hilarious....Apple Dumpling Gang...thats totally what I was thinking of but could not remember the name.

[Menehune Man]

More security measures and guards will be put in place at the Palace.
Honolulu Advertiser Article (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080820/NEWS03/808200378/-1/NLETTER01&source=nletter-)

[Frankie's Market]

Glad to see changes in attitude are taking place, even if it should have been common sense all along.

The other day, the Muffster was babbling, "This is a state facility. This is state property. HPD just can't go in unless they're asked."

Even in a scenario where an officer is witnessing an assault, as was alleged? Even if an HPD officer is in a place where he/she has no authority to perform an arrest, you wouldn't expect an officer to at least personally intervene? Wrong, Mufi. That's just plain wrong. Very surprising that an Ivy League education apparently isn't enough to get that one right.

Yesterday, common sense finally got through to him. "If a citizen, indeed, is in trouble, in harm's way, and calls 911, the Honolulu Police Department will respond. It doesn't matter what property it occurs on. It is important the people know that."

[TuNnL]

Even in a scenario where an officer is witnessing an assault, as was alleged?I’m not saying you are guilty of this, but it’s really interesting how HT members on this board continue to convict Donald Alfred Love-Boltz (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS20/808210347/1001) before he’s had his day in court. Frankly, video footage (http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/9179/40/) of the 73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees. You would think his Army training would have disciplined the Iowa native not to engage in such a provocation. :cool:

Where is all the outrage for convicted felon (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS20/808210355/1001) Sgt. Eric Gomez, who not only has already been sentenced, he lost his appeal? Yet he is still not behind bars. :mad:

[Konaguy]

I’m not saying you are guilty of this, but it’s really interesting how HT members on this board continue to convict Donald Alfred Love-Boltz (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS20/808210347/1001) before he’s had his day in court. Frankly, video footage (http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/9179/40/) of the 73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees. You would think his Army training would have disciplined the Iowa native not to engage in such a provocation. :cool:


TuNnL, it seems you are blaming the palace employee for being assaulted if I
read this comment correctly.

"73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees"

Firstly NO ONE deserves to be assaulted. On top of that, I don't want to hear any collateral damage excuses from you. These thugs illegally trespassed on to the palace grounds.Thus employees had every right to be
there and hold their ground.

On that note, even if someone filmed this incident and posted the assault on YouTube you'd still not believe it.

[MyopicJoe]

it’s really interesting how HT members on this board continue to convict Donald Alfred Love-Boltz (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS20/808210347/1001) before he’s had his day in court.

That's true. He is innocent till proven guilty. Too bad there aren't any impartial witnesses to the incident, or a video camera.

I think he's losing in the court of public opinion because of what his group has done: forcing their way into the palace, damage property with sledge hammers and crowbars, and declaring one of their members king of Hawaii. Donald's claims of being drugged by the police doesn't help people's opinion of his state of mind...or that of the group which he is a part of.

To be honest, I first thought Donald was this bigger haole guy (ANDREW SHIMABUKU | The Honolulu Advertiser):

http://cmsimg.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=M1&Date=20080815&Category=BREAKING01&ArtNo=80815073&Ref=AR&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&Q=90&title=0

Perhaps most people made the same assumption too?


(http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/9179/40/)video footage (http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/9179/40/) of the 73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees.

Yeah. As in most conflicts, things tend to get exaggerated. "Ho! They went pick ALL da lychee! My tree stay bolo-head now!"

On the other hand, he may look frail in court because he's getting scolded, like a kid in front of their parents. On the day of the takeover he could have been pumped up with testosterone and adrenaline. Roaches look huge when they're alive, but when you whack'um, "Dang ting so small. Couldn't hurt one fly."

[TuNnL]

TuNnL, it seems you are blaming the palace employee for being assaulted if I read this comment correctly.No, you read the comment incorrectly.

Firstly NO ONE deserves to be assaulted.I agree. What gave you that idea?

On top of that, I don't want to hear any collateral damage excuses from you.Collateral whaaaa? :confused: Not making excuses for anyone. But like myopicjoe said, Love-Boltz is innocent until proven guilty. We should be fair and not judge anyone until the facts come out. ;)

even if someone filmed this incident and posted the assault on YouTube you'd still not believe it.That’s absurd! Where do you come up with these rediculous assumptions? If someone filmed the incident, there would be no huhu about it. Unfortunately, like myopicjoe says, we don’t even have video, much less film of the incident. :rolleyes:

[Konaguy]

TuNnl, lets rewind here. Below is a comment you made a few posts back. Take
note of the part highlighted.

"73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees"

In my opinion, you are blaming the palace employee for being assaulted ?

[Frankie's Market]

I’m not saying you are guilty of this, but it’s really interesting how HT members on this board continue to convict Donald Alfred Love-Boltz (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080821/NEWS20/808210347/1001) before he’s had his day in court.

Which is exactly why I used the word "alleged."

Frankly, video footage (http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/9179/40/) of the 73-year-old show a frail, elderly retiree that hardly appears disposed to assaulting “oh-so-innocent” palace employees.

But of course. If you're elderly, you must be incapable of committing a crime. :rolleyes:

You would think his Army training would have disciplined the Iowa native not to engage in such a provocation.

You can't be serious? Never been in Waikiki on a Friday or Saturday night when drunk GIs are out painting the town, huh? Such a sheltered life you must live. :rolleyes: