Democratic National Convention 2008

[timkona]

I figure we need a thread for this dog and pony show. Looks to me like everybody is having a good time though. Did you see the Hawaii themed dinner last night on the news? How about the protesters that ran off Fox News crew? And what about filling Invesco field with 70sumfin thousand?

How much bounce in the polls? Seems like a dead heat right now to me. Anybody ever been to a convention? We had a mock convention in my high school back in 1984.

What about the rift in the Dem party tween BO and HC supporters? Must be tons of junk to talk about in this thread. Come on folks.

[Kalihiboy]

In college I covered some of the 1996 GOP from San Diego.

Also remember soon after Bob Dole falling off the stage in Phoenix right in front of the media, a possible precursor of things to come in the fall election.

The 1984 Dem. Convention is when I really started to be interested in politics, was at a age that I began to read about history and let it all sink in.

I believe I have almost every convention from 1968 on videotape.

Aj

[Leo Lakio]

How much bounce in the polls? Seems like a dead heat right now to me. --- What about the rift in the Dem party tween BO and HC supporters?Little early to have anything to say in answer to these questions, but it will be interesting to see how they play out.

The "bounce" usually comes at the end of a convention, Tim, not before it has even begun. That's why Sen. McCain intends to announce his VP choice right at the end of the Demo convention - to deflate some of the likely "bounce."

I've heard from superdelegates who were originally committed to Sen. Clinton say that they have already told both Sens. Clinton and Obama that they will cast their first-round ballots for Sen. Obama now. If enough of them do so, that should answer any concerns about the "rift." And if they don't - that's one piece of the image problem the Dems will still have to tackle before November.

[Frankie's Market]

What about the rift in the Dem party tween BO and HC supporters? Must be tons of junk to talk about in this thread. Come on folks.

Ah yes, the much talked about rift. A lively talking point in political shows. And that's what it appears to be. Just a lot of talk.

Just watched Chris Matthews interview some of the holdout Clintonites who say they are planning to vote for McCain. Three of them,..... in a sea of hundreds of Democrats united firmly behind Obama.

Should Matthews have given attention to what appears to be a squeaking wheel fringe element? I'm actually glad he did. Those Clintonites showed themselves for what they really were to millions of viewers on MSNBC. They cited Obama's "exotic" upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia. Insisted that he was a closet Muslim. And while they did not utter any slurs, they came across as being borderline racists. Their pathetic rants were certainly not something that either Clinton or McCain would want to be associated with. Neither is it the kind of thing that would attract undecided independents.

[Kalihiboy]

KITV's Shawn Ching is blogging from Denver:

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17269140/detail.html

Aj

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[Leo Lakio]

Our boy Timkona (or at least his perspective) is represented in today's Doonesbury (http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20080825).

[timkona]

Pretty funny Leo. But not nearly as funny as the Fox News crew being run off by the war protesters outside the convention.

The irony of the protesters is that they, likely, want anybody but McCain to win, and so by their behaviors, and the way those behaviors are perceived, they inadvertently help the Repubican cause.

[timkona]

Nancy Pelosi is the worst. If that is the leadoff hitter for the Dems, you folks are in desperate straits. :cool:

She stalled for applause that never came. She paused for laughs that were not funny. She looked like a robot that had too many facelifts. And what is with the gum smacking. Is she an ice-smoker?:eek My favorite part was the pan shots of the audience talking amongst themselves, as if the microphone was not turned up, and they failed to notice her on the podium.

[Random]

I feel like a cartoon character in a Doonesbury strip.
And I wonder why that's not your sig. :p

[Leo Lakio]

Nancy Pelosi is the worst. If that is the leadoff hitter for the Dems, you folks are in desperate straits. :cool:When you go to a concert featuring multiple acts, do you (a) expect the opening act to be the best or the least appealing of all the performers, and (b) sit attentively to every note from that first act, or chat with your buds during their set?

Come on - try harder, Tim. (I know you will.) Get beyond the easy potshots.

[Kalalau]

It is an incredibly exciting, exhilirating experience to attend a national convention. It would take pages to even begin to record the memories. Be a delegate next time, all you have to do is get enough people to show up at a caucus to vote for you and you are in for one of the most exciting experiences of your life.

[Random]

When you go to a concert featuring multiple acts, do you (a) expect the opening act to be the best or the least appealing of all the performers, and (b) sit attentively to every note from that first act, or chat with your buds during their set?
??? :confused:

Is that a two-choice or four-choice question?

[Leo Lakio]

Is that a two-choice or four-choice question?Well --- this is a political thread, no? :rolleyes:

[timkona]

Well, it just reinforces my overall point that Dems have qualified folks all over the nation in leadership positions, and they just NEVER choose to tap into the talent pool. Not for Pres. Not for a speaker. Heck, Al Sharpton would have been a better choice.

Better to wring your hands, and bite your nails in a hunched over, worried pose.

[Random]

Well --- this is a political thread, no? :rolleyes:
FWIW, at least you didn't use the word "Shall" in you question. :p

But to humor you, I sha-, er, will answer your question.

I expect the first opening act to set the tone for the rest of the function, concert, social event, etc. If it's boring, then the rest will be boring.

[Leo Lakio]

I expect the first opening act to set the tone for the rest of the function, concert, social event, etc. If it's boring, then the rest will be boring.Remind me not to go to concerts with you. I've suffered through some of the sh!ttiest opening acts, just to make sure I had a good spot near the stage for some awesome headliners.

[timkona]

As if to make my point for me, Senator Edward Kennedy comes along, after brain cancer, and just electrifies the joint.

[Random]

As if to make my point for me, Senator Edward Kennedy comes along, after brain cancer, and just electrifies the joint.
Hmm.

Are they giving him a Lifetime Achievement Award? What's with the video tribute?

[Ninja]

From a TV perspective KGMB, KITV and KHET are all airing convention coverage in HD.

[tutusue]

I'll admit I'm a Michelle Obama fan...and her convention speech didn't change that. I'm now a bigger fan! I like getting to know the potential first ladies...a far cry from conventions of old. I liked that she was human enough to stumble a bit during her speech, that she became impassioned, that her mom provided the narration for Michelle's video montage, that her brother introduced her. And, I really liked that her 2 daughters, while on stage, acted their ages! Adorable.

Now, with casting director hat on (meaning I'm going to comment on the "exterior")...
Dang, that 10 year old, Malia, is drop dead gorgeous. Should she become a first daughter, the secret service will have their hands full once she's dating age!

Sasha, no doubt, will have the same good looks as she matures. She is so incredibly cute now it's pathetic.

Anyone else notice the Robinson family eyes? Mom...brother, Craig...Michelle. Undeniable. The 3 of them look so much alike. Sounds like dad Robinson was quite a guy.

Oops...I've strayed! So, what else is new! :D

[Ninja]

Breaking News in the last hour.

4 Men have been arrested in the Denver Area, Possibly Plotting to Kill Obama at the DNC Convention.

From KCNC (CBS) in Denver http://cbs4denver.com/investigates/assisination.plot.obama.2.802827.html

[Frankie's Market]

Are they giving him a Lifetime Achievement Award? What's with the video tribute?

Random, I know you like making sardonic remarks and snappy rejoinders. Most of the time, it's okay and I don't even bother taking the time to respond.

But if you can't figure out the reason for the video tribute to Ted Kennedy at this year's DNC,..... if you think that it is something to be mocked at,.... I simply have to wonder at what is going on in your mind. Even the likes of Letterman and Leno won't be touching this.

As Tim pointed out, Sen. Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor. And while everybody around him hopes for the best and that he beats the disease, it is also recognized that his condition is serious and he could eventually succumb within a year. Forgive his close friends and supporters for wanting to use some time at the convention to pay tribute and to say words of honor to someone who may not around for the next convention.

At the same time, the tribute to Ted Kennedy and his family's legacy wasn't just a nostalgic trip down memory's lane. Make no mistake, it was a rallying point for all of the delgates gathered tonight in Denver. With some of the discord and hard feelings carrying over from the Primary cycle, with the various agendas that sometimes clash as the Democrats establish their party's platform, Kennedy (a figure in every DNC since 1960 except for one year when he was recovering from a plane wreck) reminded everyone of the greater task at hand about being united in order to "change America, to restore its future, to rise to its best ideals." And despite his visibly frail condition, I think he gave one of the most eloquent and inspirational speeches in his half-century long career in politics.

"The dream lives on." Indeed, it will never die.

[Walkoff Balk]

Did someone break a world record at this convention yet? Is there a pill for Olympics withdrawals?

[buzz1941]

Just watched Chris Matthews interview some of the holdout Clintonites who say they are planning to vote for McCain. Three of them,..... in a sea of hundreds of Democrats united firmly behind Obama...Those Clintonites showed themselves for what they really were to millions of viewers on MSNBC. They cited Obama's "exotic" upbringing in Hawaii and Indonesia. Insisted that he was a closet Muslim....

Saw them, incredibly arrogant, willing to spread innuendo as fact. Actually, I think they were Dittoheads deliberately stirring the pot, not Dems at all.

[buzz1941]

Dang, that 10 year old, Malia, is drop dead gorgeous. Should she become a first daughter, the secret service will have their hands full once she's dating age!

No doubt Rush Limbaugh will refer to the girls as "the White House dogs" like he did with Chelsea Clinton.

[Random]

As Tim pointed out, Sen. Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor.
I know that. The video tribute felt like he's running for President.

[matapule]

Saw them, incredibly arrogant, willing to spread innuendo as fact. Actually, I think they were Dittoheads deliberately stirring the pot, not Dems at all.

It is so patently obvious that they were plants. Just more Republican hyjinks and dirty tricks.

[matapule]

No doubt Rush Limbaugh will refer to the girls as "the White House dogs" like he did with Chelsea Clinton.

Yep, Limbarf is one class act!

[matapule]

I know that. The video tribute felt like he's running for President.

Random, you are being disengenious.

[timkona]

http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/democrats/article/police-arrest-100-protesters-in-denver/146023?icid=200100125x1207902956x1200460199

Just another example of the huge obstacle Dems face. They are more crippled by their fringe than the Republicans. "Anti-capitalist" protesters....bwahahaha.

I know you party faithful don't get it. But it's way past funny, bordering on tragic.

[Leo Lakio]

Just another example of the huge obstacle Dems face.Only 300 protesters is now a "huge obstacle"? Pfah. Not when compared to the 10,000+ at the 1968 Chicago convention (or the 40,000+ at the 1999 Seattle WTO conference). 300 isn't even a quorum. :p Molehills, Tim, are molehills, no matter what you try to make them.

[timkona]

It's about image Leo. Image is portrayed on TV, especially in the "in-your-face" age of cable.

Dems have an image problem due to their fringe element the same way Muslims are suffering an image problem from their extremist members. Both Dems and Muslims will say nothing to quell their fringe, and do nothing that might make them feel disenfranchised. That is what I'm trying to talk about here.

The average Joe in America is not nearly enlightened enough to separate Obama from those people who are getting pepper sprayed. The same Lib fringe will stage mad protest at the Rep Conv next week, and continue to make bad press for the left.

glurg :cool:

[Leo Lakio]

Both Dems and Muslims will say nothing to quell their fringeNor should they. If everything is molded and forced to conform and be centrist, there will be no new thought, no progress, no challenge to the established way. Fringes serve a purpose to stir things up.

I agree with you regarding the lack of enlightenment in the average American Joe. So do we play down to that lack by pretending their world-view is accurate, or do we make sure that a wider range of perspectives continues to exist, no matter what foolishness the mainstream media will choose to present?

[timkona]

Oh Leo, you sound like you are endorsing Muslim extremism......tread lightly my friend.

You don't have to play down to the Joe's, but it is wise to package the message in a way that will be received properly.

[Leo Lakio]

Oh Leo, you sound like you are endorsing Muslim extremism......tread lightly my friend.

You don't have to play down to the Joe's, but it is wise to package the message in a way that will be received properly.You may call it dissonance, but I can detect a perceptible difference between a non-conformist fringe element and criminal extremists.

Attempting to "package the message" is but one step on the path of "manipulating the media" - a path that leads to much of the dumbing-down of a populace, in order to make them easier to control.

[timkona]

I'm not talking about 'packaging' so much as I'm talking about trying to deliver any message without the help of the police or the riot squad. People see the police and the riot squad, and automatically, the message is lost.

Seems as though civil discourse has been hijacked by civil disobedience.

[Leo Lakio]

Seems as though civil discourse has been hijacked by civil disobedience.Over 4,000 convention "discourse" delegates versus 300 "disobedience" protesters. Hijacking failed. I recommend you turn off Fox News for the next few days.

By my count, Tim, your batting record is poor here:

> You've tried to make a big deal out of a miniscule event, the protests that take place at every convention. Strike 1.

> All you could say negative about speakers thus far was to make cheap shots about Nancy Pelosi (robot, ice-smoker). Strike 2.

> You've tried to convince us that there's a huge rift in the party, between Clinton and Obama supporters --- jury's still out on that one; we'll see what she says tonight, and what happens when the voting takes place - the only numbers that matter. Swing, and a ... ... ...

[buzz1941]

All this makes me wonder -- is George W a mainstream Republican or a fringe Republican? (Probably depends on whether you're talking to a Republican who's running for office right now!)

[Kalihiboy]

All this makes me wonder -- is George W a mainstream Republican or a fringe Republican? (Probably depends on whether you're talking to a Republican who's running for office right now!)

I think he is an irrelevant lameduck at this point. Clinton never campaigned for Gore and he could have used him. Doubt Bush will do much stumping for McCain either when your approval ratings are in the 20's.

Is anyone besides KHON going to the GOP convention? Doesn't the fair use media rule apply that the local stations have to cover both events? Or is that rule only applied to the candidates themselves?

Aj

[Random]

Random, you are being disengenious.
I'm just saying to skip the video tribute. Caroline Kennedy's introductory speech is more than good enough. Besides, even though Ted WANTS to be at the convention, he shouldn't stay too long for his own health's sake. He should get better to come back next year.

[Random]

Is anyone besides KHON going to the GOP convention? Doesn't the fair use media rule apply that the local stations have to cover both events? Or is that rule only applied to the candidates themselves?
Keahi Tucker is over there for KGMB9.

KITV's Shawn Ching is at the DNC.

Don't know who they sent for KHNL.

[Leo Lakio]

He should get better to come back next year.Next year?!? Are we having another one of these election/convention things next year!?! :eek:




(Yes...I know what you meant...it just came across a little oddly to my odd eyes.)

[Random]

(Yes...I know what you meant...it just came across a little oddly to my odd eyes.)
Yes, come back, or rather go back to Capitol Hill.

[timkona]

Today's theme.....The Economy.

It's the economy stupid. Gas prices, food prices, everything except housing prices. LOL. :p

On gas prices - I'm gettin 41 mpg. And solar water, with CF lighting.
On food prices - Grow some of your own. Eat less. It's good for your health.
On housing - I think the bottom is here. The Fed will lower rates because they don't know.

The economy is going to really hurt in 20 years when the effects of the Politics of NO, and the aging and death of Baby boomers, start to manifest themselves in the form of crumbling infrastructures, ballooning red tape, and social cost of a larger than avg demographic group.

[Kalihiboy]

Keahi Tucker is over there for KGMB9.

KITV's Shawn Ching is at the DNC.

Don't know who they sent for KHNL.

No, I was referring to the upcoming local plans for the GOP Convention, I know KHON is going there, what about the other stations?

KHNL has Kauai State Senator Gary Hooser over there at the DNC as I recall.

Aj

[Kalihiboy]

No doubt Rush Limbaugh will refer to the girls as "the White House dogs" like he did with Chelsea Clinton.

Rush has so much room to talk, I mean what a GQ cover model he is, what a ladies man, the girls cannot resist. :rolleyes:

Aj

[Frankie's Market]

No, I was referring to the upcoming local plans for the GOP Convention, I know KHON is going there, what about the other stations?

I would think so. Especially since Linda Lingle will be speaking on the second day of the convention.

What I wonder about is,.... will any of the local stations be breaking away from their regularly scheduled programming in order to provide a live broadcast when Gov. Lingle is at the podium? Or will folks have to tune in to C-SPAN? It's doubtful that networks like CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News will be televising Lingle's speech.

[buzz1941]

what a ladies man, the girls cannot resist.

Adolescent girls have enough problems, add Rush making national fun of you to the mix....

He also thought it was really funny when the Clinton's dog was killed in traffic. He laughed and laughed.

Class act.

[matapule]

The Democrats have it backwards!!!!!!! If they want to win the Whitehouse, the ticket should be Biden for President and Obama for VP. In 8 years it would be Obama for Pres. and maybe Hillary for VP.

Just my opinion.

[Ron Whitfield]

Lingle at the convention, what a joke!
This will be the most important thing she's done as yet another worthless do-nothing governor for this State.

Ol' Teddy was pretty good for his part! Probably his last hurrah, but the dream will continue. It's all we've got thanx to Bush and his gang.

[turtlegirl]

I LOVED the speech Hillary Clinton gave for her Obama endorsement at the DNC!!

[Kalihiboy]

I would think so. Especially since Linda Lingle will be speaking on the second day of the convention.

What I wonder about is,.... will any of the local stations be breaking away from their regularly scheduled programming in order to provide a live broadcast when Gov. Lingle is at the podium? Or will folks have to tune in to C-SPAN? It's doubtful that networks like CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News will be televising Lingle's speech.

I still think this is the first time local crews have been sent to the national conventions since the 1970's. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

What time is Lingle speaking, that might factor in if her speech will be televised both locally and nationally with some of the gavel to gavel
coverage the networks are doing.

Aj

[timkona]

I just love the irony.

In Hillary's speech she mentions the need to get rid of racism in America.

Then cut to Sen Akaka commenting on the Akaka Bill making racism as part of the Dem platform.

Classic Liberal Cognitive Dissonance.

[Kalihiboy]

Ramsey W. from KGMB is headed to the Twin Cities for the GOP Convention. Haven't heard on KITV or KHNL yet.

Aj

[timkona]

Today's theme "Securing America's Future"

I say we start with Ron's suggestion of getting rid of Homeland Security. :p

Then we make laws that say if you drive an old smoky Volvo, with a Save The Planet sticker, you have to park it, and buy a new, fuel efficient car.

[Leo Lakio]

Then we make laws that say if you drive an old smoky Volvo, with a Save The Planet sticker, you have to park it, and buy a new, fuel efficient car.Or a bicycle.

[Random]

The Democrats have it backwards!!!!!!! If they want to win the Whitehouse, the ticket should be Biden for President and Obama for VP. In 8 years it would be Obama for Pres. and maybe Hillary for VP.

Just my opinion.
Blame it on the caucuses (sp?).

[Random]

Today's theme "Securing America's Future"

I say we start with Ron's suggestion of getting rid of Homeland Security. :p
Homeland Security, Department of Defense, FBI, ATF, IRS, etc.

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[timkona]

Roll Call taking place now. It's fun to listen to each state go through the rigamarole of describing what is great about their state. I laugh when I hear some of the people who can barely speak, or string together a coherent sentence. They get lost in their pomp, and forget what they are saying.

Seems like all the states are casting some of their votes for Clinton.

New York is coming right up. Will Hillary motion to cancel the roll call and nominate Obama? Gotta love the suspense.

[Leo Lakio]

> You've tried to convince us that there's a huge rift in the party, between Clinton and Obama supporters --- jury's still out on that one; we'll see what she says tonight, and what happens when the voting takes place - the only numbers that matter. Swing, and a ... ... ...... ... ... miss; strike 3. Maybe politics ain't your game, Tim.

[Kalalau]

Obama nominated by Acclamation on Senator Hillary Clinton's motion. I do like the roll call of the states: "Madame Chairman, the Greeeeeeeaaaaaaaat state of ___________ , home of ___________ and _____________ and ________________, proudly casts_______ votes for the next President of the United States, _________________!!!!!!!!!" One of the great and peculiar rituals of American politics.

[matapule]

I do like the roll call of the states: "Madame Chairman, the Greeeeeeeaaaaaaaat state of ___________ , home of ___________ and _____________ and ________________, proudly casts_______ votes for the next President of the United States, _________________!!!!!!!!!" One of the great and peculiar rituals of American politics.

I wanted the State of Hawai'i to do us proud by saying: "Eh Brah, howzit? Da kine State Hawai'i, hale da broke da mout ono grinds, fo real give em in Olympics, an shaka aloha, kay den hana hou dirty votes fo ohana brah Obama fo akamai moke!!!!!!! Wanna beef? Den no stink eye. Kay den pau hana, aloha."

Now THAT would have been worth tuning in to!
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[timkona]

You just gotta love ol' Slick Willy. If anybody could run again, he would be elected in a landslide. I betcha even a hardcore right winger like Leo would vote for him.

[Ron Whitfield]

We can thank Bill for paving the road for Bush.

[Leo Lakio]

Tim, I am so looking forward to your commentary on the GOP Convention, too. Much more insightful than the mainstream media, that's for sure!

[Menehune Man]

We can thank Bill for paving the road for Bush.

President Clinton did a lot more good (for America and abroad) than bad.
Yeah, he had his personal and presidential foibles.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY THANK G.W. BUSH FOR PAVING THE ROAD FOR OBAMA!

I am looking forward with an-tis-i-pa-tion.

Since what we are doing presently is not working out well, why not try a different approach?

[Kalihiboy]

Just thought of something all Democratic Presidential nominee's since 1972 are still living.

Aj

[matapule]

Since what we are doing presently is not working out well, why not try a different approach?

I fear, despite what the current polls say, that when a majority of Americans step into the the privacy of the poll booth, they will not vote for a "black" man. I think it is going to be another Republican administration.

[Leo Lakio]

Just thought of something all Democratic Presidential nominee's since 1972 are still living.And all but one of the VP nominees (Sen. Bentsen died in 2006). But two of the past VP nominees were most unwelcome at this year's convention: Sens. Edwards and Lieberman.

[Kalihiboy]

And all but one of the VP nominees (Sen. Bentsen died in 2006). But two of the past VP nominees were most unwelcome at this year's convention: Sens. Edwards and Lieberman.

Senator Thomas Eagleton, who was nominated with Senator George McGovern at the 1972 DNC died not too long ago as well. In fact on a local note Bob Sevey of KGMB and Bob Basso from KHON interviewed Eagleton when they covered the DNC that year. I think Byron Baker was there for KHVH.

Eagleton was dropped shortly after the 72' DNC and Sargant Shriver (Arnold's father in law) replaced him. Shriver is alive but has alzheimers now.

Aj

[Leo Lakio]

Eagleton was dropped shortly after the 72' DNC and Sargant Shriver (Arnold's father in law) replaced him. Shriver is alive but has alzheimers now.I remembered Sen. Eagleton, but considered Shriver the "nominee," since he was the one who ran for most of the campaign - but you're right in that Eagleton was the official nominee for a couple of weeks. He withdrew from the ticket due to questions about his medical treatments, including a couple sessions of electro-shock therapy. A lot has changed in the 36 years since then ... one would hope.

[Kalihiboy]

I remembered Sen. Eagleton, but considered Shriver the "nominee," since he was the one who ran for most of the campaign - but you're right in that Eagleton was the official nominee for a couple of weeks. He withdrew from the ticket due to questions about his medical treatments, including a couple sessions of electro-shock therapy. A lot has changed in the 36 years since then ... one would hope.

Yes. The McGovern-Eagleton ticket even made the cover of Time Magazine, very brief campaign together, that is for sure. I believe one of the major reasons they have such extensive background checks now for VP's is because of this incident.

I have video of McGovern announcing that Eagleton was dropped from the ticket and as I recall at the press conference Shriver wasnt yet named. Maybe I'll post this sometime along for all the political junkies to see.

Aj

[Leo Lakio]

Yes. The McGovern-Eagleton ticket even made the cover of Time Magazine, very brief campaign together, that is for sure.Time also did a cover-story follow-up, after the news broke, but just before Sen. Eagleton withdrew. It's available online, starting here (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,879139-1,00.html).

[Frankie's Market]

Tom Eagleston isn't the only reason why potential veeps are closely vetted today. Does anyone remember Spiro Agnew? :rolleyes:

[Kalihiboy]

Tom Eagleston isn't the only reason why potential veeps are closely vetted today. Does anyone remember Spiro Agnew? :rolleyes:

True but somehow, someway he got on two GOP tickets that won. I believe his last public appearence was at Nixon's funeral and that had been the first time he had been seen in nearly 20 years. He's since passed on of course.

Soon after Nixon-Agnew won re-election the Watergate mess started to unfold, shows how quickly you can win a landslide and less than two years, both are out of office. The political winds as they say.

Aj

[Leo Lakio]

Does anyone remember Spiro Agnew? :rolleyes:...and how he referred to the "liberal" media as "nattering nabobs of negativity?" One anagram of that phrase:
"Fat annoying bitter voting base."

[Frankie's Market]

True but somehow, someway he got on two GOP tickets that won. I believe his last public appearence was at Nixon's funeral and that had been the first time he had been seen in nearly 20 years. He's since passed on of course.

Soon after Nixon-Agnew won re-election the Watergate mess started to unfold, shows how quickly you can win a landslide and less than two years, both are out of office. The political winds as they say.



What did in Agnew was a bribery scheme that took place while he was the Governor of Maryland. This corruption took place five years before the Watergate break-in. Obviously, Agnew had not been vetted enough by Nixon, and his resignation from the vice presidency due to criminal charges was a far greater embarrassment to the GOP than Eagleton's abortive nomination was to the Democrats. While Agnew departed from the political arena in disgrace, Eagleton continued to serve in the Senate all the way up to his retirement in 1986.

[TuNnL]

I just love the irony. In Hillary's speech she mentions the need to get rid of racism in America. Then cut to Sen Akaka commenting on the Akaka Bill making racism as part of the Dem platform.

Classic Liberal Cognitive Dissonance.I haven’t heard any of the candidates call for the abolition of native American reservations, so by your definition Tim, ALL of the candidates are racist, not just the “liberal” ones. :rolleyes: BTW, the Akaka Bill is about protecting a political group, not a racial one, so get your facts straight before you spout gibberish.

[Menehune Man]

If even half of what Barak says he wishes to accomplish happens, Hallelujah!

That was a great speech, hope so...

[Kalalau]

I will always remember Agnew for his obscenely vicious slanders against the peace side during the Vietnam War. Nolo contendre to bribery and extortion. Mr. GOP all the way.

[Menehune Man]

Wow! That's thinking "NOT" in the now.
Bring it up to today, okay?!

[Creative-1]

The DNC had a great convention. Great speeches by Kennedy, Clintons, Biden, Gore and Obamas.

They appeared to accomplish their major objective: to heal the rift between HRC's supporters and Obama.

I think it will be hard for the Republicans to match. The rift between McCain and the Neo-cons probably will not be healed. Their speaker line-up seems ho-hum.

McCain's likely VP choice of Gov. Pawlenty strikes me as a yawner also.

Advantage: Obama.

[Frankie's Market]

McCain's likely VP choice of Gov. Pawlenty strikes me as a yawner also.

If McCain had to pick a Minnesota Governor to be his running mate, me thinks that Jesse "The Body" Ventura would have added a lot more pizazz to the GOP ticket. :D

[TuNnL]

If McCain had to pick a Minnesota Governor to be his running mate, me thinks that Jesse "The Body" Ventura would have added a lot more pizazz to the GOP ticket. :DI agree, but picking Jesse would have been even less likely then McCain picking Ron Paul. At least Paul is a card-carrying Republican. Both are candidates who’s main goal is to take down the New World Order (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=12729), making them unpalatable to either Obama or McCain. ;)

[Creative-1]

If McCain had to pick a Minnesota Governor to be his running mate, me thinks that Jesse "The Body" Ventura would have added a lot more pizazz to the GOP ticket. :D

I don't think Mac is into "pizazz."

[matapule]

If McCain had to pick a Minnesota Governor to be his running mate, me thinks that Jesse "The Body" Ventura would have added a lot more pizazz to the GOP ticket. :D

Jesse has moved to Cabo...permanently.

[Frankie's Market]

I don't think Mac is into "pizazz."

No? Picking a former Miss Congeniality with scant (21 months) executive experience of the 47th most populous state is all so serious and full of substance. You called that one so riiiiighhhhttt, Creative. :rolleyes:

[LikaNui]

TMZ.com has a hilarious video of Terry Moran from "Nightline" at the Democratic convention saying that "Obama is the son of a black man from Kenya and a white man from Kansas." :eek:
He then says "No matter what your politics, that is a moment for the history books." :p
I imagine it's on YouTube, somewhere. Or see it on TMZ.com.

[Ron Whitfield]

www.truthout.org/article/pre-emptive-strikes-against-protest-rnc (http://www.truthout.org/article/pre-emptive-strikes-against-protest-rnc)

[tutusue]

TMZ.com has a hilarious video of Terry Moran from "Nightline" at the Democratic convention saying that "Obama is the son of a black man from Kenya and a white man from Kansas." :eek:
He then says "No matter what your politics, that is a moment for the history books." :p
I imagine it's on YouTube, somewhere. Or see it on TMZ.com.
Vanguard linked it here (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=208124&postcount=253)!

[LikaNui]

www.truthout.org/article/pre-emptive-strikes-against-protest-rnc (http://www.truthout.org/article/pre-emptive-strikes-against-protest-rnc) * Pssssst... Ron... wrong convention thread, brah. *

[LikaNui]

Vanguard linked it here (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=208124&postcount=253)! OOPS! Somehow I missed that post. Sorry! :o
But thanks for the link, Vanguard and TutuSue!

[Ron Whitfield]

I didn't want to start a whole nuther thread on the news blurp.
The DNC is pau, the RNC soon will be.

[LikaNui]

Just found this video of Michael McDonald singing "America The Beautiful" (http://www.michaelmcdonald.com/DNC.html) on the last day of the convention.
Nice stuff!

[Walkoff Balk]

Just found this video of Michael McDonald singing "America The Beautiful" (http://www.michaelmcdonald.com/DNC.html) on the last day of the convention.
Nice stuff!
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