Sum people no more aloha nowadayz

[adrian]

On the Route A bus, going towards Waipahu from Honolulu this afternoon, a guy was so rude to the bus driver. He sat at the seat after the turn (on the second section) on the bus and he had one plastic bag with him. At the Mckinley HS stop, he got out of his seat late and reached the door when the bus pulled out of the stop. He waited a couple of seconds, and yelled at the bus driver, who stopped and let him out. He swore as he got out and looked at the bus as we departed. He was a haole man, looked like he never know what to do in Hawaii.

The Bus driver is a "veteran" with the Route, as he traveled that way for a while. He didn't deserve it, and to make it worse, there was little kids near the man who swore. When the mom them went move to the front of the bus, a few of us (including me) laughed (I sat in the last row of seats against the engine) and some even commented him on how lolo he was.

What other things you witnessed that you wished didn't happen to someone? (mean, rude things that pissed you off, even though it didn't happen to you, or it did happen to you).

[Ailina]

That's so irritating, but it's more sad than anything else. I know what you're talking about. I used to be a tour guide at the cannery before they closed it down, and I remember quite a few times when people would lose their tempers for nothing. And I bet they never had any idea how silly it made them look.

But I guess you'll encounter that no matter where you go. I guess it's just that much more rude and ridiculous there, where most people live with Aloha spirit.

[kimo55]

... He swore as he got out and looked at the bus as we departed. He was a haole man, looked like he never know what to do in Hawaii.

What other things you witnessed that you wished didn't happen to someone? (mean, rude things that pissed you off


when ever i am tailgated in da slow lane going the speed limit, its by a haole, obviously fob.
the other day, one haole in a navy colored jeep cherokee was tailgating me and actually honked his horn! Looked in the mirror and saw him do that stupid thing they do in CA; raise his arms up, palms upwards as if feeling for rain.

Go home! I say!

Do NOT come here and destroy our culture and feeling of aloha for erryone on da road.

poor fool doesnt know hes in hawaii. Sometimes the bad drivers are viet or da kine from wheah they drive li dat allah time. so they don't know any better. but they should.

In foodland hawaii kai, had no mo da kine quart milk. one haole crab was actually bithcing. "I am going to be here only a day more! Why should i spend so much on milk that I will have to throw away?!"
the idiot was making a scene. whatdda jerk.

Too many from LA have a deserved rep for being blowhards, arrogant, pushy, loud..
Waiting in line for plate lunch at one oda kapiolani arts festivals;, two haole yuppies were behind me. One actually poked me with his finger telling me "you're next' as if to imply hurry up.

I was gonna get reeeaaal pissed if he did annnything else. i was ready.
hooo boy, da fuuu.. geddaboudit!


"the ugly american" indeed.

[adrian]

Only haoles do that, I wonder why? :confused:

[kimo55]

Only haoles do that, I wonder why? :confused:


well of course the above is a generalization. i know you know more than that.
Its unfortunate; the more mainlanders move here and bring with them their 101/405 driving habits, the more the masses here think it's ok. and they in turn emulate the behavior.
Vicious cycle.

[craigwatanabe]

Haoles better understand one thing. The first haole that wen piss off da Hawaiians ended up as dinner. Captain Cook the other white meat. I guess he nevah taste ono because no one eats them anymore. :D

[kimo55]

Haoles better understand one thing. The first haole that wen piss off da Hawaiians ended up as dinner. Captain Cook the other white meat. I guess he nevah taste ono because no one eats them anymore. :D


he had on that colorful getup and the goofy bozo hair.

sooo...
they thought he was a clown.
and thats why they don't eat clowns!
cuz they taste funny!
haaa.


sorry.

[Peshkwe]

Now I heard that was one big fib there. That the folks in the islands there didn't eat that ol boy just cooked him down a bit for the services as was proper at the time.

Now my peeps on the other hand.....;)

[craigwatanabe]

he had on that colorful getup and the goofy bozo hair.

sooo...
they thought he was a clown.
and thats why they don't eat clowns!
cuz they taste funny!
haaa.


sorry.

Oh man that was bad. :D

[helen]

Now I heard that was one big fib there. That the folks in the islands there didn't eat that ol boy just cooked him down a bit for the services as was proper at the time.
You mean Cook was being cooked?

[kimo55]

You mean Cook was being cooked?


no, we mean Cook had been cooked.

[Peshkwe]

Yup-yup...that's the one.

[kimo55]

of coure I don't expect to see fob haoles exhibit any kine aloha local island style behavior..
either in person or on the television...
(as far as that "north shore" series:
noticed; save for one or two characters and one or two scenes with water in B/G, this could be a show set in L.A.: all the characters act, sound and talk like arrogant belligerent spoiled L.A. jerks. and brats. All of them. of all ages. No island style nuances, inflections, language, slang, not a hint of aloha style casual laidback interaction, (course not. IF they had that, the pacing would be different and they also must retain the bitchiness among all and sundry. then of course it wouldnt be the soap opera it is.)

anyway; main point;
was between cars the other day so hadda ride da bus for two days.
the ride from hawaii kai to waikiki had one haole jerk tourist idiot sitting there with an empty seat next to the window with his knapsack on it. as the bus filled up fully, with many japanese tourists of the female gender and a few couples, elderly, dis buggah never once offered the seat. I got the attention of a woman and motioned her to the seat and I said; tell him move da bag. assert yourself.
hoping her husband may take a hint too.
she looked concerned and said; no, no need.
I asked if she wanted my seat she said no..
but I can't believe a haole guy wouldn't want a cute Japanese girl to sit next to him even a few blocks. where's da aloah there? None.
where's the even basic human decency? none.


what's dat expression;
"he who expects nuttin' ain't goin' be deceived"

[craigwatanabe]

maybe da buggah was gay :D

[Miulang]

maybe da buggah was gay :D
Ai-yah! What about da local kid who wen go stab da Japanese tourist on Oahu earlier dis week for no reason at all as she was standing at da bus stop? :eek:

And den da HCVB wen go say dey going talk to da wahine and try kokua so her and her friends no go back to Japan and talk stink about Hawai'i! Why dat kine stuff gotta happen in da land of Aloha anyway?

Jeez! What is dat kid's parents teaching him, anyway? Man, if I wen tink about being dat pilau, my parents would have put me in da calaboose, no questions asked!

Miulang

[kimo55]

maybe da buggah was gay :D


no, he didn't appear that he had any happiness or joy in him.

no matter his emotional level, least da buggah coulda shared da kine.

[craigwatanabe]

:eek: It coulda been worse...da buggah could have set dat Japanese girl's clothes on fire like dat other kid.

[kimo55]

:eek: It coulda been worse...da buggah could have set dat Japanese girl's clothes on fire like dat other kid.


hoaaaa. haha!

[Miulang]

Ai-yah! What about da local kid who wen go stab da Japanese tourist on Oahu earlier dis week for no reason at all as she was standing at da bus stop? :eek:

And den da HCVB wen go say dey going talk to da wahine and try kokua so her and her friends no go back to Japan and talk stink about Hawai'i! Why dat kine stuff gotta happen in da land of Aloha anyway?

Jeez! What is dat kid's parents teaching him, anyway? Man, if I wen tink about being dat pilau, my parents would have put me in da calaboose, no questions asked!

Miulang
I stay stand corrected. Da wahine wen go get burned by that 12-year-old pilau kid.

Miulang

[Laakea]

unbelievable...I read this article in yesterday's Honolulu Advertiser.

[craigwatanabe]

I don't think kids understand consequences anymore. My 17-year old teenage boy thought mastering Grand Theft Auto meant he could master our Chevy Astrovan. While spending big bucks for driver's ed, I had to log 50-hours of daytime drive time with him. In one day he almost destroyed our van five times. The most dramatic near miss was when he almost rear ended a car turning into a drive way ahead of us. He didn't slow down so when I jerked the steering wheel to swerve around the car I told him to pull over.

He tells me he figured he'd just tap the lady into her driveway. WHAT??!!! Dis ain't no frickin video game! He actually thought that would happen and he'd go on his merry way. Now this kid isn't stupid, he's in the top 3% in the nation on his SAT scores, math and science is boring to him, but he lacks common sense. Somewhere in his brain development that part never took off, but his intellectual side excelled, he's the perfect example of that term: There's a fine line between idiot and genius.

I can understand why that 12-year old set fire to that Japanese girl, he basically wanted to see what would happen! His thinking processes lacked the ability to look at consequences.

My feeling is that video games has desensitized our youth about consequences. My boy almost took out a dodge dart and our Astro Van on a virtual reality thought that nothing bad was going to happen. In his mind he was playing a video game. Geez I wonder if these kids racing in their modified Hondas are thinking the same. You know there's no fear when in that thinking mode. You crash, you bounce around, you continue racing. Sounds good to me. Hmmm if life could only be like that.

[Miulang]

I don't think kids understand consequences anymore. My 17-year old teenage boy thought mastering Grand Theft Auto meant he could master our Chevy Astrovan. While spending big bucks for driver's ed, I had to log 50-hours of daytime drive time with him. In one day he almost destroyed our van five times. The most dramatic near miss was when he almost rear ended a car turning into a drive way ahead of us. He didn't slow down so when I jerked the steering wheel to swerve around the car I told him to pull over.

He tells me he figured he'd just tap the lady into her driveway. WHAT??!!! Dis ain't no frickin video game! He actually thought that would happen and he'd go on his merry way. Now this kid isn't stupid, he's in the top 3% in the nation on his SAT scores, math and science is boring to him, but he lacks common sense. Somewhere in his brain development that part never took off, but his intellectual side excelled, he's the perfect example of that term: There's a fine line between idiot and genius.

I can understand why that 12-year old set fire to that Japanese girl, he basically wanted to see what would happen! His thinking processes lacked the ability to look at consequences.

My feeling is that video games has desensitized our youth about consequences. My boy almost took out a dodge dart and our Astro Van on a virtual reality thought that nothing bad was going to happen. In his mind he was playing a video game. Geez I wonder if these kids racing in their modified Hondas are thinking the same. You know there's no fear when in that thinking mode. You crash, you bounce around, you continue racing. Sounds good to me. Hmmm if life could only be like that.
Hui Craig:
Sorry you ended up with a few white hairs after your little episode with junior. If you had moved out to Kee'au when he was littler, maybe the common sense part would have gotten baked into him because he would have been out of the sphere of influence of the fast times in Honolulu. Generally, I think kids nowdays lack common sense because they are lazy. Nobody tells them that they need to think before they act; sometimes the consequences could be lethal. Thank you for being a caring parent. One of these days that boy will surprise you in a good way.

Miulang :)

[adrian]

I don't think kids understand consequences anymore. My 17-year old teenage boy thought mastering Grand Theft Auto meant he could master our Chevy Astrovan. While spending big bucks for driver's ed, I had to log 50-hours of daytime drive time with him. In one day he almost destroyed our van five times. The most dramatic near miss was when he almost rear ended a car turning into a drive way ahead of us. He didn't slow down so when I jerked the steering wheel to swerve around the car I told him to pull over.

He tells me he figured he'd just tap the lady into her driveway. WHAT??!!! Dis ain't no frickin video game! He actually thought that would happen and he'd go on his merry way. Now this kid isn't stupid, he's in the top 3% in the nation on his SAT scores, math and science is boring to him, but he lacks common sense. Somewhere in his brain development that part never took off, but his intellectual side excelled, he's the perfect example of that term: There's a fine line between idiot and genius.

I can understand why that 12-year old set fire to that Japanese girl, he basically wanted to see what would happen! His thinking processes lacked the ability to look at consequences.

My feeling is that video games has desensitized our youth about consequences. My boy almost took out a dodge dart and our Astro Van on a virtual reality thought that nothing bad was going to happen. In his mind he was playing a video game. Geez I wonder if these kids racing in their modified Hondas are thinking the same. You know there's no fear when in that thinking mode. You crash, you bounce around, you continue racing. Sounds good to me. Hmmm if life could only be like that.
Who bought that game for him?

I played GTA:3 and GTA:VC for a couple of years now, and the only way it affected me, is when I stay up all night trying to complete the missions. (FYI, there's a "Chevy Astro"-like van in the game, and it handles kinda junk. Probably he overcompensated for the one in the game.) But people like him should already know that there's a difference between real life and games. I play games to get away from reality, so I know when the video game stopped, and real life begins (the lack of a HUD is one indication ;) ) but some people just don't have that common sense in them to learn the difference.

Racing is one of the reasons why I oppose driving early (in the mid teens). I took a drivers education class at Waipahu HS in my senior year, and I was one of the seniors there. Almost all of the underclassmen had access to a car, and when we got our permits, half of the class was on the street with their adult friends) racing (the friend's) car with other teens.

That reason alone is why I don't drive. I had my permit, and I had to learn in my Mom's Ford Aerostar EXT van (the ones that are extra long) and even though I was praised by my driving instructor in a Toyota Echo, I had a hard time trying to drive a used '95 van. It scared me enough to not renew my permit to get my license, so I just made the excuse to put my education first, and not learn how to drive.

My 15 year old brother wants to get his permit early so that he can "soupe up" our dad's '97 Ford F150 (but since our Dad works in construction and has an aging '84 F150, I don't think he'll let go anywhere near the truck(s) ) and that just disgusts me. Teens nowadays just wants to go fast. If I want to go fast, then I'd overclock my computer and put more memory into my computer. If I want to customize something and show it off, then I'd modify my computer case, add more fans, water cool it, paint it, and put the stickers of all of parts I have in it, and host the pictures on some website.

We have to make the permit process harder for people to do, and the process to get a license even harder.

[craigwatanabe]

I never bought him that video game. It's amazing that these game stores will sell anything to anybody without regards to age. Believe me, his video game collection is now considered boring by his friends after I got into his room.

You know it's crazy because I once complained to my co-worker that my boy's giving me heat! My co-worker said, "Is he doing drugs, have bad friends, swears, drinks alcohol, stay out late at night, bad grades?" I said no. He said "so what's the problem?" How do you argue that one?

The permitting process is easy just like before, it's the licensing that's become difficult to obtain. I have a problem with the Driver's Ed program however. I pay over $700 to have an instructor teach and certify my boy to get to the next phase of getting his license. But I have to log 50 daytime and 10 night time hours with him on my own time? My boy spends more time behind the wheel of our cars than the instructor's car.

Now here's the ironic part. Nowhere in the drivers ed program is there a provision for parents to learn the instructor's way of teaching the proper method of driving. So after a cumulative 60-hours behind the wheel with the parent as the instructor (with bad habits), the kid learns the parents way of driving. If that's the case why do I need to pay $700 to somebody if I'm doing the teaching? He should be racking his brains out with 60-hours in the passenger seat with my boy.

Okay so don't get the license for him right? Did you know as a teenage minor, some businesses and school campuses require the student/employee to have a drivers license even though they won't operate a company or school vehicle? My boy wants to work at school after hours but he needs his driver's license. I asked if a State ID would work since he won't be driving any vehicles. They said a State ID is not the same as a drivers license. DUH but if the purpose is to identify the student as that person then it shouldn't matter. No response. End of story. Okay he wants to work, we gotta get him his license.

I've become alcoholic after two-hour days as a passenger to my boy's driving. My wife after the second week of this torture already had a cold one ready for me when we came home to settle my nerves.

The state is making getting a driver's license very hard indeed but it's gonna lose taxpayers in the process from parents getting heart attacks from their children's driving. 60-hours as a passenger to your kid's driving! That's inhumane! :mad:

[adrian]

There's some screwed up things in upper power now.

But anyone can buy a M rated game, regardless of age. A couple of years back, I saw a 15 year old male (he went to the same school as I, and I seen him in some underclassmen classes) who went to the cashier and bought a M rated game. The cashier didn't check for any ID, but that sounded an alarm. I won't name the department store, but it happened a few times at other stores. The only store that did the ID check, was the video game stores at Pearlridge.

[craigwatanabe]

If anyone can buy an M rated game then why do we have these ratings for anyway? It seems the M rating is just a marketing ploy to tell underage kids that this is a really cool game with a lot of sex and violence.

These games are the reason why today's kids do such deranged things. And to think it all started with something as simple as Pong! Who woulda thought that Pong would be the corruptive evil that will end mankind! Makes you wonder about other seemingly innocent toys like...Hasbro's Boxcutter's game! Oh no now they're dropping buildings with airplanes with it! :eek:

[adrian]

Then where's the Adults Only games?

And what's the difference between rated M games and AO (Adults Only) games?
One has more violence, sex, and drugs than the other?

And its the parent's job to know what their kid is playing, and to know who are the kid's friends.

My Mom was very tight about our friends, but since she gotten busy with her jobs, she just lets us go and hopefully we learn (atleast for my younger brother and sister).

[kimo55]

Then where's the Adults Only games?




well, since they are adults, they don't play games.
at least not these kid's games.

[Karen]

Some people are much worse than just "lacking aloha!" Some people...have an utter contempt for anyone decent, kind, etc...an utter contempt for good and innocence. Some people have pure evil inside them. They look like us on the outside, but I am convinced they are Not really like us. Sorta like body snatchers, some people are....subhumanoids.

[Miulang]

Then where's the Adults Only games?

And what's the difference between rated M games and AO (Adults Only) games?
One has more violence, sex, and drugs than the other?

And its the parent's job to know what their kid is playing, and to know who are the kid's friends.

My Mom was very tight about our friends, but since she gotten busy with her jobs, she just lets us go and hopefully we learn (atleast for my younger brother and sister).
Eh Adrian:
Go give your Mom a biiiiig hug of aloha from me! She has brought you up to be the kind of thoughtful young adult I wish this country had more of! She actually taught you the kind of values most of us adults are lamenting kids of today don't have (respect for others, among other things).

Miulang :)

[adrian]

Eh Adrian:
Go give your Mom a biiiiig hug of aloha from me! She has brought you up to be the kind of thoughtful young adult I wish this country had more of! She actually taught you the kind of values most of us adults are lamenting kids of today don't have (respect for others, among other things).

Miulang :)
I will.

Its ironic, because our neighbors race cars, play loud music, basically its they're the opposite of us.

[craigwatanabe]

As parents we are being bombarded with sexual inuendo's embedded in supposed "kid" stuff. It's in the video games, cartoons, and even the Disney Channel!

The video games is something parents are finally coming around to dealing with. It's harder though because some parents don't look at the ratings and let their kids play them (I was one of them). Kids go over to other kids homes to play video games. I have to tell my kids, "no they cannot go over to Johnny's home to play video games, but he can come over here to play ours (what was deemed and filtered as acceptable).

The cartoons are eye-popping! Have you seen the female superhero's in today's cartoons? Isis, Supergirl, and others have painted on costumes on their seemingly anatomically exagerated bodies. Adult Swim is a cartoon series on the Cartoon Network that my kids are not allowed to watch.

And The Disney Channel? What's up with that? They got little girls imitating today's hot little cuties dressed in barely nothing singing Oops I did it again? Nine year old girl singers singing Britney Spears songs on the Disney Channel! And there's Britney Spears herself a product of Disney!

There's nothing on TV, Radio or even the recorded media that's safe anymore from sex or porn on our kids. It's harder and harder to restrict these "evils" from our children's senses as commercialism bombards us with so much of it!

Heck we can't even watch those Police wildest videos during the family viewing hour without seeing commercials about Phone sex, or Girls Gone Wild. Our TV is pretty much set to TLC or the Discovery channel where the programming is fairly safe.

Media programming needs to be changed and so does kid marketing. :mad:

[kimo55]

I will.

Its ironic, because our neighbors race cars, play loud music, basically its they're the opposite of us.


go set em on fire.

[mbrinkma]

one haole jerk tourist idiot sitting there with an empty seat next to the window with his knapsack on it.
Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "haole" that I read about in another thread?

[craigwatanabe]

Ummm...yeah! :rolleyes:

[kimo55]

[QUOTE=kimo55]

one haole jerk tourist idiot sitting there with an empty seat next to the window with his knapsack on it.

Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "haole" that I read about in another thread?


prolly not. You are reading this, in this thread azz why.

You want to read the word '"haole" as negative? Go right ahead. free country.
ainokea

I am saying he is a haole. and he is a jerk and he is a tourist. and he is an idiot. and he was sitting.
wot. boddah you?!


...why you nevah ask:
"Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "tourist" that I read about in another thread?"


or :
"Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "sitting" that I read about in another thread?"

[mbrinkma]

prolly not. You are reading this, in this thread azz why.Ouch! trying to confuse me with pidgen! Fair by me, I can't claim to speak it properly, nor can I do it justice in the phonetic written form, but by God, I can understand everything you say!
You want to read the word '"haole" as negative? Go right ahead. free country. ainokea The word itself is not negetive (or so I have come to be told), only the context in which it is used.
I am saying he is a haole. and he is a jerk and he is a tourist. and he is an idiot. and he was sitting. wot. boddah you?!You saw him, know what is skin color is....ok, I believe you. Agree on the next three.

Yeah, kinda... Just seems petty to name-call on a racial basis on this forum when all you had to do set the lad straight then and there! He may not have been a bad person, and perhaps would have taken your pointers. Of course there are plenty of bad Haoles around...given there are some 400,000,000 million of us in the world. Figgah da odds of findin' a bad one in Hawaii! Please, give us a break...we're not all selfish and rude.
why you nevah ask: "Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "tourist" that I read about in another thread?"Easy! Cuz wen us Haoles read da kine internet 'bout Hawaii, da treds 'bout da word Haole really capture da interest! The word "Tourist" is pretty mundane and doesn't imply an ethnic group or nationality. We only want to feel welcome when we come to Hawaii!
or : "Wow! Is that one of those negative contextual applications of the word "sitting" that I read about in another thread?"C'mon Kimo....I've read and enjoyed your posts....I know you understand why that word is not a basis for my statement!

[kimo55]

"Ouch! trying to confuse me with pidgen!"

...have NO idea what THIS means...

"The word itself is not negetive (or so I have come to be told), only the context in which it is used. "

my point exactly. read into it how you want.

"Yeah, kinda... Just seems petty to name-call on a racial basis"

I do not do this. never have. never will.

"when all you had to do set the lad straight then and there!"

he was far away.. I am NEVER hesitant when it's convenient to set anyone straight.

"Please, give us a break...we're not all selfish and rude. "

never said YOU were.

"Easy! Cuz wen us Haoles read da kine internet 'bout Hawaii, da treds 'bout da word Haole really capture da interest! The word "Tourist" is pretty mundane and doesn't imply an ethnic group or nationality."

it implies a group and those that want to respond PC and hypersensitively will. Regardless of the word. regardless of the direct message.

"C'mon Kimo....I've read and enjoyed your posts....I know you understand why that word is not a basis for my statement!"

...then you miss my point.
all you had to do set the lad straight then and there! Correction, brinkman;
I don't have to do a god damn thing.
typical mainland haole.
don't tell me what to do.

It is the responsibility of an adult to act civil and share a seat that they are obviously not using on a crowded bus. And my point that you are obviously missing by many miles is:

I don't care what color they are. If it is a young male, they give their seats to females and esp. older people on the bus.

get it now?!
Yeah, kinda... Just seems petty to name-call on a racial basis The above is a perfect example and display of racism when anyone ass umes this. For the word "haole"... has also come to mean anyone NOT from the islands; a foreigner. This means and implies, (in case you are still confused) ANY one of ANY race.

and what exactly is this term
"name-call"?
what are we; in grade school?!

[mbrinkma]

Correction.
I don't have to do a god damn thing.

It is the responsibility of an adult to act civil and share a seat that they are obviously not using on a crowded bus. And my point that you are obviously missing by many miles is:

I don't care what color they are. If it is a young male, they give their seats to females and esp. older people on the bus.

get it now?! Not quite, and you as sure heck miss mine!

Scheez, I agree with you. But dang, instead of complaining about it to a forum of your peers in a (ok, however-contested/perceived, racially biased way), I still think you should have "taken care of it" in a tactful way. That's what I would have done.....But I live in San Diego. I understand though, that you and I are products of different enviroments, and why you may be compelled to act differently. Relax (read liberal), I understand.

Point is, Kimo, no one appreciates their ethnicity/nationality/creed, depreciated based on the actions of of a few. If that were the case, Muslims the world over would be, well.........

I said my piece, I don't need the last word...We'll win in November...mark my words.

[kimo55]

But dang, instead of complaining about it to a forum of your peers... It is perfectly valid to discuss or as you perceive "complain".

This is what we use discussion boards for. IF.. i were within closer physical proximity to da haole crab, I woulda dealt with him!
and then i would a discussed that too. or as you call it; "complain".

And i do deal with that kine pilikia. often enuff. but this is not island style to make stink kine on da bus. We just lettum go and hope we don't see more of his kind hea.

(ok, however-contested/perceived, racially biased way), I still think you should have "taken care of it" in a tactful way.
thats what you think and you are entitled to your opinion. but don't tell me what to do.

or what i should do.

That's what I would have done.....But I live in San Diego. I understand though, that you and I are products of different enviroments,
Now I think you gotta holda sumpin solid there;
Hawaii MAY be a state of amerika but we sure as heyall have a different way of doing things round hea.
It IS a different country.
make NO mistake about that.
and we DON'T appreciate all da haoles (loud belligerent thoughtless pushy arrogant foreigners) coming over here and destroying our way of life, our island style, our now commercialised 'aloha spirit'... and telling us what to do. and pushing their way around hea. and then justifying and defending it by saying we are racist if and when we rebel.

Nooooo.. I dun thingsewwww!

Point is, Kimo, no one appreciates their ethnicity/nationality/creed, depreciated based on the actions of of a few.
the "few " are many more than you think. And you can thank the "few" to always ruin it for the many. point also is, you are racist to assume I am being racist.

[LikaNui]

>> and we DON'T appreciate all da haoles (loud belligerent thoughtless pushy arrogant foreigners) coming over here <<

I'm curious: who is the "we" you refer to. Kimo55? Are you the spokesman for a specific group, or are you just assuming that position?

Also, in that one post you wrote:

>> IF.. i were within closer physical proximity to da haole crab, I woulda dealt with him! <<
[...]
>> and we DON'T appreciate all da haoles (loud belligerent thoughtless pushy arrogant foreigners) coming over here <<
[...]
>> point also is, you are racist to assume I am being racist. <<

Kimo, I've stayed out of most of your discussions but I have to respectfully tell you that in most of your posts you do indeed sound racist. If you're really not, perhaps you want to reconsider some of your posts before you hit that Send button. Just a word to the wise.

[craigwatanabe]

Check the previous posts and you'll know who the "we" are.

[Taran]

...(as far as that "north shore" series:
noticed; save for one or two characters and one or two scenes with water in B/G, this could be a show set in L.A.: all the characters act, sound and talk like arrogant belligerent spoiled L.A. jerks. and brats. All of them. of all ages. No island style nuances, inflections, language, slang, not a hint of aloha style casual laidback interaction, (course not. IF they had that, the pacing would be different and they also must retain the bitchiness among all and sundry. then of course it wouldnt be the soap opera it is.) ...

I agree with most of what you said! Here I was sitting down to watch the show...hoping it would remind me of the time I lived there...only to find that pretty much the only thing reminiscent of Hawai`i was the scenery! (And a few local extras.) And you're right, it is basically a soap opera. At least NBC's Hawaii uses local actors and is truer representation than FOX's North Shore is. (Hawaii also uses local music.) I hate to think of all the tourists thinking this is what Hawai`i is like, based on what they see on North Shore. Then again, maybe that's what it is like at the resorts -- I have no idea since I've never stayed at one. :D

[Albert]

"It IS a different country. make NO mistake about that."

No. It isn't. Although, true, there are a lot more Japanese people here than in most states.

[kimo55]

"It IS a different country. make NO mistake about that."

No. It isn't. Although, true, there are a lot more Japanese people here than in most states.


wow...a powerful argument and an impactful rebuttal. I stand corrected.

[Pelix]

^ I read the article as well, a while back. It's so sad.
I can't stand seeing kids being so disrespectful to their parents.. little do they know they're just going to regret it later on.

[aleno]

On the topic of no mo Aloha nowadays. I live away from Hawaii. I returned a couple of years ago to attend my father's funeral. He was buried on Hawaii. I arrived Honolulu and was waiting for a flight to the Big Island when I noticed this couple standing in line as the first ones. The flight was full. I waited because I was flying alone and wanted all these people rushing on the flight to get their seat.
What bother me. I got on as the second to the last passenger. I took a seat between a married couple. A hawaiian man and his Filipino wife. They had decided to split up. She sitting by the window and he sat on the aisle. She was pissed off at me for sitting between them. I was nice and said Hi to both of them. During the flight I knew she was irritated and so was her husband. Making loud sigh's and talking loud over me.
He told her in Hawaiian that he was going to the bathroom. Real loud like. When he got back, she also spoke hawaiian. Saying that I could have found another seat and I had no respect.
Well, My dad taught us to speak Hawaiian. But he never taught us how to be so disrespectful. If they wanted to sit next to each other or had a problem with me being between them, they should have said so.
I called the flight attendant Troy and asked for another seat, but the plane was full. In hawaiian I told these rude people that no Pilikia, I'll give up my seat for them to be together but as a Hawaiian myself, they made me sick.
Don't assume that all people are ignorant to what you're saying.
It doesn't matter what ethnic background you are from, respect should be part of all cultures.

[adrian]

In hawaiian I told these rude people that no Pilikia, I'll give up my seat for them to be together but as a Hawaiian myself, they made me sick. Don't assume that all people are ignorant to what you're saying. It doesn't matter what ethnic background you are from, respect should be part of all cultures.
My Mom and her filipino friends used to speak in ilocano (sp) at work infront of a haole. That continued for days until the haole got mad and bursted "if you guys are saying bad things about me, then just say it". She thought that they were talking stink about her, but my Mom and her friends were talking about their family back at the Philippines.

Some people are very paranoid these days.

[pzarquon]

She thought that they were talking stink about her, but my Mom and her friends were talking about their family back at the Philippines. Some people are very paranoid these days.Paranoid, sure, but provided there isn't anything objectionable being said, and this nearby haole is someone with whom they're on good terms and already speak English otherwise, it's not exactly polite to exclude her from the conversation so blatantly.

If the environment was the service industry (i.e. the haole was a customer), it's especially bad form. I'm all for the preservation and perpetuation of native tongues, but if you're being paid to provide service to English speaking customers, speak English. Hotel workers know better than to chit chat in their native tongues around guests, even if the conversation is completely innocuous, simply because it makes them uncomfortable.

Besides, as aleno's story proves, you can't always presume someone nearby can't understand what you're saying. I used to work at an international trade comany with a local haole from Kauai. He studied Japanese, married a Japanese woman, and spoke it fluently. I look Japanese, but don't speak the language at all. So, when we traveled to Tokyo, plenty of people would try to talk to me instead of him, or even try to talk about him behind his back... and it was he who later had to do the translating for me. Fortunately, he found it funny more than offensive.

[kimo55]

Some people are very paranoid these days.
wel, they are hypersensitive. and they en masse, blindly, mindlessly, jump on the band wagon of calling everything in the world: "Politically incorrect".
...hey don't call females "girls" hey, Don't call our fighting men and women "kids".
hey; you can't call that baseball team that name anymore.. etc. etc...

Fortunately, he found it funny more than offensive.
and therein (a nutshell), lies a lesson for the people of the modern world.

[memorylane]

Wow........all the more reason i cant wait for next week to re-visit Oahu.......i believe in the adage *one mouth, two ears for a reason*, I just hope my snotty ass gay brother doesnt go shooting off his mouth somewheres cuz i may have to leave him standing there to defend himself against a big ol rack a beef! :D