Chinky Mahoe

[admin]

I'm splitting the Chinky Mahoe conversation from the "Have you met someone famous? (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=1020)" thread. Carry on.

[LikaNui]

Impressive list, though perhaps Chinky Mahoe should go on an INfamous list.

[Tutulady]

Impressive list, though perhaps Chinky Mahoe should go on an INfamous list.Only Chinky and the Gods know the truth. Therefore, I never have, nor will I start now, make comments or judgements about someone without knowing first hand the details on which to make such a judgement. :cool: E kala mai.

[LikaNui]

Only Chinky and the Gods know the truth. Therefore, I never have, nor will I start now, make comments or judgements about someone without knowing first hand the details on which to make such a judgement.

Only Chinky, the Gods, and the four young boys he admitted in court that he molested. Oh, and their distraught families and friends. (See http://starbulletin.com/98/05/22/news/story6.html , among many other published news reports.)
A multi-year series of molestations and a guilty/no contest plea to five felony counts and one misdemeanor count are cold hard "truth" and "details", as is the fact that Chinky Mahoe not only did not apologize to the boys and their parents, he publicly refused to apologize to them.
I've seen many cases where he was a guest at various performances. There was almost no applause whatsoever when he walked on stage, and many people actually got up and left, including myself.
Like yourself, Tutulady, I can forgive and forget almost anything. But to let a convicted and acknowledged child molester continue to work with children and continue to represent the Hawaiian culture is nothing less than a travesty. Shame on those who stick their heads in the sand and pretend it never happened.
:mad:

[kimo55]

Only Chinky, the Gods, and the ...

Shame on those who stick their heads in the sand and pretend it never happened.
:mad:


shame on those that promulgate bad news. it's not the island style.

[LikaNui]

shame on those that promulgate bad news. it's not the island style.

Nonsense.
Go ahead and tell that "island style" baloney to the next kids who get molested.
:mad:
Hooray for those who protect our island children from convicted child molesters like Chinky Mahoe!
:)

[Tutulady]

Only Chinky, the Gods, and the four young boys he admitted in court that he molested. Oh, and their distraught families and friends. (See http://starbulletin.com/98/05/22/news/story6.html , among many other published news reports.)
A multi-year series of molestations and a guilty/no contest plea to five felony counts and one misdemeanor count are cold hard "truth" and "details", as is the fact that Chinky Mahoe not only did not apologize to the boys and their parents, he publicly refused to apologize to them.
I've seen many cases where he was a guest at various performances. There was almost no applause whatsoever when he walked on stage, and many people actually got up and left, including myself.
Like yourself, Tutulady, I can forgive and forget almost anything. But to let a convicted and acknowledged child molester continue to work with children and continue to represent the Hawaiian culture is nothing less than a travesty. Shame on those who stick their heads in the sand and pretend it never happened.
:mad:Unlike you though, I tend not to take every word that's printed in the newspaper or that is spoken on a news report as law. All I'm saying is that I don't know all the details of that story as I was not in Hawai'i (or the US for that matter) when all that happened (the court hearing, et al. that is). I wouldn't call that sticking my head in the sand. Indeed, as a survivor of child molestation, I would be as angry, if not a right bit more were I able to go beyond news reports and find out FOR MYSELF just what the facts are... for reasons explained previously. I realise that it's hard to garner people's intent while using this type of platform but shame on you for turning something (this thread) perfectly positive and without malice, into something demeaning and mean spirited. But that's ok, I forgive you. :)

[kimo55]

Nonsense.
Go ahead and tell that "island style" baloney to the next kids who get molested.
:mad:
Hooray for those who protect our island children from convicted child molesters like Chinky Mahoe!
:)

You're absolutely right. In fact i support your next step; buying a big panel truck and plaster pictures of the incidents and chinky and the web links on the sides and back and drive all over Honolulu in warning.

[pzarquon]

Why bother? Folks can warn themselves. Thanks to Megan's Law and some legislative tweaking, the Hawaii Sex Offender Registry (http://pahoehoe.ehawaii.gov/sexoff/) is slowly coming back online (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Aug/17/ln/ln05a.html). With only a handful of names there now, though, it'll take a while to catch up to Chinky...

His indictment and no contest plea are a matter of public record. True, each of us decides who to believe, how to judge (or not judge at all). But while this is hardly light-and-fluffy cocktail conversation, I don't think it's so awful to examine and debate.

Is it merely promulgating bad news, a violation of "the island style," to feel strongly about Chinky's case? What about forming opinions about Rene Mansho, or Andy Mirikitani? These are people who put themselves before the public eye... and in Chinky's case, entrusted with the care and guidance of children.

I'm all for "the island style," but not at the expense of occasionally calling a spade or spade, or acknowledging that darker things exist, even in Hawaii.

Actually, like Tutulady, I don't feel I know enough to form an opinion, either way. I think it's fine that some people have. Her initial mention was "perfectly positive and without malice," but it definitely sparked some debate. With a separate thread, it can continue.

[LikaNui]

>> I wouldn't call that sticking my head in the sand. <<

Oh, I wasn't aiming that comment specifically at you, TutuLady; it was a general comment to the world at large.

>> I would be as angry, if not a right bit more were I able to go beyond news reports and find out FOR MYSELF just what the facts are. <<

That's easy. Go to http://www.courts.state.hi.us/index.jsp and under the Legal References heading click on Search Court Records. Once you enter that site you can enter a search for Howell Mahoe (Chinky's legal name) or search under Case ID number 1PC97-0-001219 and from there you can click on Court Minutes and read the official minutes from each appearance on the case, including the conviction and the sentencing. You can also see the original six charges.
So now that you can easily find out for yourself, are you angry (as you said you would be, above)?

[candyglassy@gmail.com]

Admin you should move this topic to the forefront. It should be talked about. My friend had a son (12) who wasn't part of the Mahoe court
proceedings but he and his family have been affected by the incident
and typically local style, they don'tt discuss and he's not had therapy.
They kind of treat it like Auntie and TuTu and whoever thinks just because
you have Kumu infront your name that you have the right to molesting
children.

No one wants to hurt another person when they're down but
incidents like this with Chinky Mahoe and other celebritries
like nabors, a former modeling agent, so many settled cases
out of court and continue to... molest minors. Not right any way you
say it.

[tutusue]

Admin you should move this topic to the forefront. It should be talked about.[...]
At this point in time it's a very old thread. The message immediately before yours is dated Sept. 2004. Kinda hard to move a topic this old to the forefront. That's not a reflection on how I feel about this topic. But, the thread is old...outdated. Apparently no one felt the need to continue it almost a year and a half ago. If it makes the news again I'd guess this thread will be revived or a new thread started.

Ummm...just curious. How does the admin. move this topic "to the forefront"? He already split it from the famous people thread and renamed it. What more should he do, in your opinion? And, in the name of 'edumacation' ,<g> HT isn't a blog as you've referred to it in other messages. The HT admin. is the King of Blogs. This isn't one 'em but I've followed his real blogs for years! :D

[1stwahine]

Ummm...just curious. How does the admin. move this topic "to the forefront"? He already split it from the famous people thread and renamed it. What more should he do, in your opinion? And, in the name of 'edumacation' ,<g> HT isn't a blog as you've referred to it in other messages. The HT admin. is the King of Blogs. This isn't one 'em but I've followed his real blogs for years! :D

...jumping up and down! das how I started BLOGGING ~ I'm Auntie Pupule! :eek:

dis is a Public Forum. We "talk story!" :D

http://tinyurl.com/bt6en

Hi tutusue! ;)

[tutusue]

...jumping up and down! das how I started BLOGGING ~ I'm Auntie Pupule! :eek:

dis is a Public Forum. We "talk story!" :D

http://tinyurl.com/bt6en

Hi tutusue! ;)
Bwahaha!
Hey, Auntie! Have you recovered from your birthday?

[1stwahine]

Bwahaha!
Hey, Auntie! Have you recovered from your birthday?

Actually Girfriend, I almost recovered. Den I went to Chinatown last night. Back to Square one. :D

...back on topic. uhh. Neva mind. Old Thread. :eek:

Lynn

[candyglassy@gmail.com]

Ok I get scoldings. Yeah it's an old thread and he's not (current news)
but "king of blogs" for Hawaii news is supposedly the best
place to confirm good story. Haven't seen anything yet. More like you all know each other long time and get on just to talk story. Where can i go
to dish dish?

[1stwahine]

Ok I get scoldings. Yeah it's an old thread and he's not (current news)
but "king of blogs" for Hawaii news is supposedly the best
place to confirm good story. Haven't seen anything yet. More like you all know each other long time and get on just to talk story. Where can i go
to dish dish?

It depends what what you like "dish dish" on. Old threads are just that..."OLD". We are an Ohana here at HT. Yes, we have our fights like any community. We have our own opinions on various topics and sometimes threads get really HOT! However, each member is respected for their input as long as they go by the rules and regulations of this Forum. I have been guilty many a times of crossing the line but have wiggled and apologized my tail back in. :p

Hence, do a search on the Forum on what you may be interested in. Who knows it may generate interest again. Or start a new thread. Yes, most of the regulars know each other a long time. However, we embrace new members quickly and are quite helpful when asked for assistance.

Auntie Lynn

[scrivener]

I'm with candyglassy. The public has a short memory (we elected Mufi Hanneman, didn't we?), and this man should never be allowed to work with children, and those of us who care should probably remind everyone once in a while.

I believe in forgiveness and I could forgive Mr. Mahoe if he were to indicate in some way that he were repentant. But let him work with children again? Not just "no," but "hell no."

Those who are inclined to cut the guy some slack should ask themselves if they'd be just as willing if he were a kindergarten teacher.

[Leo Lakio]

Chinky Mahoe not only did not apologize to the boys and their parents, he publicly refused to apologize to them.
Likely on the advice of his attorney; a public apology is NOT recommended with a "no contest" plea. Nolo contendre is where a defendant agrees to the charges and declines to refute the evidence as presented; it cannot be used as an admission in other proceedings, whereas a public apology can.

[Miulang]

I'm kind of surprised Uncle George Naope allows Chinky to continue to list him as his kumu on his website.

Uncle George disassociated himself from an annual hula festival in Seattle (bruddah G knows which one) by refusing the festival the use of his name because he didn't like the politics involved with running the festival. That didn't hurt anyone but did deprive hundreds of local expats the opportunity to see 2 days of hula.

Pedophilia hurts innocent children.

Miulang

[Leo Lakio]

Uncle George disassociated himself from an annual hula festival in Seattle (bruddah G knows which one) by refusing the festival the use of his name because he didn't like the politics involved with running the festival.
I do indeed; luckily, the one year I participated, I not only had the honor of meeting him (as my kumu's kumu), but even got to see him dance a distinctly after-hours version of "Tewetewe." Unforgettable! (And it most assuredly was NOT performed in front of any children.)

[Miulang]

I do indeed; luckily, the one year I participated, I not only had the honor of meeting him (as my kumu's kumu), but even got to see him dance a distinctly after-hours version of "Tewetewe." Unforgettable! (And it most assuredly was NOT performed in front of any children.)
Was that the year that Uluwehe Guerero was a judge and Alaka'i Paleka was the announcer? That was our first festival too, and it was absolutely fantastic.

Miulang

[LikaNui]

Since this is a thread about a convicted child molester, perhaps it would be a good idea to start a new thread about any festivals or other hula events and dancers, etc?
Just a thought.
:)

[LikaNui]

Since this is a thread about a convicted child molester, perhaps it would be a good idea to start a new thread about any festivals or other hula events and dancers, etc?
Just a thought.
:)
Oooooh, some anonymous soul gave me a negative reputation point for the post quoted above.
I'm broken-hearted.
Shattered, even.
:rolleyes:

[Leo Lakio]

Oooooh, some anonymous soul gave me a negative reputation point for the post quoted above.
I'm broken-hearted.
Shattered, even.
:rolleyes:
Ouch. Wasn't me. We did go off-topic (that happens so rarely!) though, sorry. (Oops! We should be discussing this in the old "Reputation" thread, shouldn't we?)

Anyway, back to Mr. Mahoe. My earlier comment regarding his lack of public apology was not meant to defend or condemn him in any way (I'm not familiar enough with the circumstances), just to note why he may have been unwilling to make such a statement, likely on advice of counsel.

[candyglassy@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by LikaNui
Since this is a thread about a convicted child molester, perhaps it would be a good idea to start a new thread about any festivals or other hula events and dancers, etc? Just a thought.

Hi,
Read some of your comments old and new and like your thinking.
You look at the bigger picture and yes, you're right.
so much negativity it's not comfortable to rehash when we could
call attention to more positive news but just a question. was he really convicted? If he were, how can he continue to work with kids? Isn't that against the law?

cg

[manoasurfer123]

Originally Posted by LikaNui
Since this is a thread about a convicted child molester, perhaps it would be a good idea to start a new thread about any festivals or other hula events and dancers, etc? Just a thought.

Hi,
Read some of your comments old and new and like your thinking.
You look at the bigger picture and yes, you're right.
so much negativity it's not comfortable to rehash when we could
call attention to more positive news but just a question. was he really convicted? If he were, how can he continue to work with kids? Isn't that against the law?

cg
Self-Employed...

What is he gonna do...run a background check on himself?

[candyglassy@gmail.com]

Self-Employed...

What is he gonna do...run a background check on himself?


Ok Ok. You got a great point but isn't it illegal to allow him to work with kids after a conviction this serious? That well known stylist and owner of a modeling agency that was accused of child molestation and the family and him settled, part of the settlement was that he had to sell his company even though it handled mostly adults. If Mr. Mahoe was convicted, wouldn't
that be automatic? If you were the judge? Preventing this man
from continuing to work around children if that was his "illness".
Please, tell me it's not true. Any lawyers out there?
cg

[tutusue]

[...]That well known stylist and owner of a modeling agency that was accused of child molestation and the family and him settled, part of the settlement was that he had to sell his company even though it handled mostly adults.[...]
Locally or on the mainland? Any URLs? TIA...

[bcliquot]

Locally or on the mainland? Any URLs? TIA...


Local I am fairly certain we're talking about the same person.

As :confused: for Mr. Mahoe, someone told me last night that he is now
born again and is participating in Merry Monarch this year.
I cannot think of another profession or society (the world of hula?) where adults work very closely with young people, and a teacher is revealed to be a pedophile but is allowed to continue teaching children.

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=55486#

[Miulang]

While I'm glad to hear that Mr. Mahoe appears to have rehabilitated himself, if I was a parent looking for a halau for my child, his would be the last one I would consider, even though he is well known in the hula community and was taught by George Naope. It's up to the parents to decide whether or not to trust a "former" pedophile. And apparently there are lots of parents who either don't know about his conviction or are comfortable having him teach their keiki. Caveat emptor.

Miulang

[LikaNui]

Kinky Chinky is still allowed to work with kids but only if another adult is present at all times.
Whether or not that is being enforced is unknown.
And the creep still refuses to apologize to the kids he molested and/or to their families.
:mad:

[lurkah]

It was the time just after Chinky had gotten busted for child molestation and was still going through his legal proceedings when I happened to be walking through the UH-Manoa Campus Center and I heard live Hawaiian music being performed at the bottom of those Campus Center stairs, which also served as its bleachers. It was as I was scanning the all-male members of the musical group when I saw Chinky standing in the back, off to the side, singing and playing guitar, and I remember saying to myself with a sneer on my face, "WTF is he doing here!! The nerve and the shameless gall he has by even being here performing in public!!"

I don't think I was alone with my feelings. The expression on Chinky's unsmiling face as he faced the audience said it all. Sure, he was singing and playing guitar, but his demeanor was that of someone who had just been invited to dinner at a cannibal's home and he was about to become the main event. :D Priceless. Wish I had a camera just then.

[kamuelakea]

Great to see ####, Chinky, and ###### back.


I guess Hawaiians really took the Missionary's Christian concept of forgiveness to the extreme.

Can't imagine many cultures totally forgetting, ignoring or forgiving a convicted child molestor.

Amazing.

How any parent of any boy could trust their son with a convicted child molestor is even more amazing. If it's happening, I consider it child neglect and the children should be taken away.

Mahalo Circuit Judge Wilfred Watanabe. Is child molestation acceptable in the Japanese culture as well?

Please don't claim that discussing Chinky Mahoe, who was mentioned by others, is not related to the Merrie Monarch. It is absolutley amazing at how Hawaiis media, Hawaii's people can shove their head in the sand.

[LikaNui]

Can't imagine many cultures totally forgetting, ignoring or forgiving a convicted child molestor. Amazing.
How any parent of any boy could trust their son with a convicted child molestor is even more amazing. Absolutely correct. I've been very outspoken here on HT in the past about Kinky Chinky, and it infuriates me that he's in Merrie Monarch. Like you, Kamuelakea, I don't want to rain on this thread, so we should probably resurrect one of the other threads about him, like this one here (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=10084&postcount=1).
Just wanted you to know that you're definitnely not alone in your opinion.

[kamuelakea]

Absolutely correct. I've been very outspoken here on HT in the past about Kinky Chinky, and it infuriates me that he's in Merrie Monarch. Like you, Kamuelakea, I don't want to rain on this thread, so we should probably resurrect one of the other threads about him, like this one here (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=10084&postcount=1).
Just wanted you to know that you're definitnely not alone in your opinion.

Thank god! I was sure everyone was going to start firing their ammo at me for being "angry and cynical" again. That "I'm the guy with the problem".

As offensive as this is, it should be the biggest story of the Merrie Monarch, ........sad but true.

If people are don't want their thread "rained upon" they should consider the lives of those 4 boys who were molested only to have their molestor walk free. Thats a little worse than a rained upon thread. If no one in the Merrie Monarch or Hula community can comprehend the PR problem here not to mention the moral, ethical problems, then they deserve the discussion.

Don't Let the B%^&#&S GET YOU DOWN!

[Lei Liko]

Thank god! I was sure everyone was going to start firing their ammo at me for being "angry and cynical" again. That "I'm the guy with the problem".

As offensive as this is, it should be the biggest story of the Merrie Monarch, ........sad but true.

I hope those 4 boys are as normal as they can be.

Sorry for opening a can of worms.

In all fairness and to be objective, I've always considered him a marvelous kumu hula and his work and creativity in the spirit and integrity of the HULA, not his personal actions, are to be commended. Allowing him back into competition was something Auntie Dottie guys probably thought long and hard over.

Of course I don't condone his actions, but then again my name's not God nor is it Judge Watanabe, so I'm in no position to punish anyone.

Also, blanket statements like Mahalo Circuit Judge Wilfred Watanabe. Is child molestation acceptable in the Japanese culture as well? are unfair and you know it. Assumptions based on one individual's actions shouldn't be reflective of his/her ethnic group. If you have proof that would exhibit otherwise, feel free to share in the appropriate thread.

That is all.

[kamuelakea]

Of course I don't condone his actions, but then again my name's not God nor is it Judge Watanabe, so I'm in no position to punish anyone.


Now you show yourself to be part of the problem.

There is no doubt he is guilty. HE PLED GUILTY!

When it involves children, I have no mercy. I judge. Not because I want to play God but because of the very Liberal philosophy that a society can be defined by how well it protects the weakest of its members.

A society that takes an adult, who pled guilty to child molestation, a man who was in a position of respect and power as a teacher (Kumu), a man who exploited that power to prey on his weakest subjects, and then lets him walk, and then even lets him go right back to the high profile, public endeavor which involves teaching children, and without even a mention regarding his participation as a child molestor in the Merrie Monarch,... IS A VERY SICK SOCIETY.

I ask if Judge Watanabe represents the people of his background based upon their general silence when this verdict went down. For people who talk about "shame" as though they own the concept, there was little "shame" for Judge Watanabe when he let a child molestor in the community walk.

We can find explanations, justifications, excuses for many of our human mistakes. Stealing to survive, even murder in a heat of passion. But child molestation is not one of those forgivable crimes. There is no excuse.

To suggest that we cannot "Judge" this kind of behavior is to say to those 4 boys, "sorry, get over it".

[admin]

I've split posts from the Merrie Monarch 2006 (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=8387) festival discussion relating to Chinky Mahoe to this thread, specifically dedicated to him and the appropriateness of his continued involvement in the community. Carry on.

[scrivener]

Kamuelakea:

Please read my post above (#18) and see that I, as one of Judge Watanabe's "people" did not choose to remain silent. Your outrage is warranted and even supported by many of us here; however, to tie one's ethnicity into the issue and then to file everyone else of the same ethnicity in the same drawer is not serving your purpose at all in participating in this discussion.

I don't believe anyone is beyond forgiveness, but I do believe, as I said above, that to allow a convicted child-molester to work with children, ever again, goes beyond reprehensible. If the people who run the Merrie Monarch feel differently, I suppose it's up to them, and if you want to remind everyone of what Mahoe did, that's up to you.

But if you want people to listen, you should probably stick to the issue, and leave the Christianity and Japanese stuff out; this was never about either of those.

sign me
A Japanese Christian

[kamuelakea]

Kamuelakea:But if you want people to listen, you should probably stick to the issue, and leave the Christianity and Japanese stuff out; this was never about either of those.

sign me
A Japanese Christian

I don't want people to listen to me. Only to make them think about themselves and their own prejudice and hypocrisy.

I am sure you are Japanese and a Christian offended by Chinky Mahoes non-sentance.

I am also sure that if I asked 1000 Japanese in Hawaii what they thought about a child molestor who pled guilty to molesting 4 kids in Hawaii being let off, at least 999 would be offended.

But I also bet you that if Chinky Mahoe had raped 4 Japanese girls from Aiea Intermediate, those 999 wouldn't just express disgust if asked, they would have been screaming for blood and Chinky Mahoe in that case would still be behind bars today if not dead.

4 Japanese girls raped by their teacher. Think about it. How would that go over in Hawaii. Really. What would be the community reaction, the media reaction, if a Hawaiian judge let the rapist off with probation.

Think about it some more.

If you are honest, you know very well that the outrage would have been a tsunami and the outcome very different. So ethnicity can matter in justice. Just look around.

[Lei Liko]

Now you show yourself to be part of the problem.

How, exactly am I part of the problem? He's a great kumu hula, I find it disgusting what he did, and I too believe that he should have received some sort of punishment. Just because I don't share in your 'no mercy' attitude to this individual does not give you the right to assume that I'm part of the problem.

A society that takes an adult, who pled guilty to child molestation, a man who was in a position of respect and power as a teacher (Kumu), a man who exploited that power to prey on his weakest subjects, and then lets him walk, and then even lets him go right back to the high profile, public endeavor which involves teaching children, and without even a mention regarding his participation as a child molestor in the Merrie Monarch,... IS A VERY SICK SOCIETY.

The courts allowed him to walk. Men and women of all ages continued to learn from him and wanted to learn from him because they know he's a good kumu, albeit one with issues. Your 'very sick society' is a 'very forgiving society' to many others.

Parents and students have a choice to have him as a kumu or not. It's as simple as that.

It's my hope that he's sought help for this because I believe that everyone has the right to better themselves rather than be ostracized by the whole community.

I ask if Judge Watanabe represents the people of his background based upon their general silence when this verdict went down. For people who talk about "shame" as though they own the concept, there was little "shame" for Judge Watanabe when he let a child molestor in the community walk.

Not speaking out after the fact does not necessarily = being for or against. You fail to provide proof, so again, I must disagree with your above comment.

We can find explanations, justifications, excuses for many of our human mistakes. Stealing to survive, even murder in a heat of passion. But child molestation is not one of those forgivable crimes. There is no excuse.

To suggest that we cannot "Judge" this kind of behavior is to say to those 4 boys, "sorry, get over it".

Just because I choose not to judge doesn't mean I expect others to do so as well. Please direct me in my initial post as to where I suggested that others should follow my lead.

Again, I like to look at things objectively from both sides and it's evident that you and I have different levels of forgiveness.

That is all.

[helen]

I found this article (http://starbulletin.com/98/08/24/news/story1.html) on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin web site that was dated back in August 1998. Basically Chinky Mahoe got 5 years probation and some community service. Assuming he hasn't done anything to violate that probation and has done the community service he has paid the debt to society that he was told to pay.

[1stwahine]

I am a victim of Child Molestation. I was a mere four years old. No one believed. I still have scars. I am fifty years old. The victims will suffer the rest of their lives. Nuff said.

Auntie Lynn :(

[lurkah]

I am a victim of Child Molestation. I was a mere four years old. No one believed. I still have scars. I am fifty years old. The victims will suffer the rest of their lives. Nuff said.
So sorry for what happened to you, Auntie, :( but I no think nuff has been said yet regarding Chinky.

Since the hula community seems to have accepted him back into the fold, I think the least Chinky should have done, for the integrity of his halau and supporters and to show that he had any measure of being worthy of forgiveness, would've been for him to step down and assign an alaka'i to replace himself to be the new "face" and spokesperson for his halau with Chinky voluntarily forgoing any celebrity he might have had in the past as a token of humility and atonement, and especially as some kind of acknowledgement towards the atrocious crime that he committed.

Instead, there he is in all his glory — as if nothing happened. :mad:

[Lei Liko]

So sorry for what happened to you, Auntie, :( but I no think nuff has been said yet regarding Chinky.

Since the hula community seems to have accepted him back into the fold, I think the least Chinky should have done, for the integrity of his halau and supporters and to show that he had any measure of being worthy of forgiveness, would've been for him to step down and assign an alaka'i to replace himself to be the new "face" and spokesperson for his halau with Chinky voluntarily forgoing any celebrity he might have had in the past as a token of humility and atonement, and especially as some kind of acknowledgement towards the atrocious crime that he committed.

Instead, there he is in all his glory — as if nothing happened. :mad:

Auntie, I'm also sorry for what happened to you. We had a similar situation in my family, and I saw firsthand how it can tear someone and a whole family apart.

While I don't quite agree with Chinky stepping down, I do feel that he should have made some public acknowledgement of what he did.

Despite him standing there with the awards though...it's been said that the worst form of punishment is guilt in knowing what you have done.

[1stwahine]

So sorry for what happened to you, Auntie, :( but I no think nuff has been said yet regarding Chinky.

Since the hula community seems to have accepted him back into the fold, I think the least Chinky should have done, for the integrity of his halau and supporters and to show that he had any measure of being worthy of forgiveness, would've been for him to step down and assign an alaka'i to replace himself to be the new "face" and spokesperson for his halau with Chinky voluntarily forgoing any celebrity he might have had in the past as a token of humility and atonement, and especially as some kind of acknowledgement towards the atrocious crime that he committed.

Instead, there he is in all his glory — as if nothing happened. :mad:

Dear Lurkah, I totally agree with you. I ment Nuff said on my part on what happened to me when I was molested. The truma, pain and deep scars lasts a lifetime. It is imbedded into the mind of a child. Although it may not seem to show - it can lay dormant. Years after the signs will show as the damage did in me.

I, too am outraged regarding Chinky Mahoe. I am outraged everytime another child is molested, raped and/or murdered by someone. I am "crazed" with anger when someone gets "away" with it especially by a Judicial System that supposed to be protecting the rights of our children who can not speak for themselves.

It has nothing to do with Ethnic, Religion, Gender, or what a person does. It is a violation of a worse kind. A violation of one's body. In this case, a violation of innocent bodies and knowingly a trust which was broken in the highest regard.

If we should be talking about Religion. Yes, Mr. Mahoe's final Judge shall be the Man himself. He shall be facing God face to face upon his death. At that time he shall be delt with the most highest of punishment of God.

God's worst punishment is for those who harm his children.

Auntie Alyn

[LikaNui]

Chinky Mahoe got 5 years probation and some community service. Assuming he hasn't done anything to violate that probation and has done the community service, he has paid the debt to society that he was told to pay. Sorry Helen, but when it comes to harming innocent children, then that 'debt to society' simply can never be paid in full.
:mad:

[LikaNui]

Mahalo Circuit Judge Wilfred Watanabe. Is child molestation acceptable in the Japanese culture as well? By injecting racial/ethnic comments, you're going to lose support for what is otherwise your admirable position against Kinky Chinky. Just a word to the wise.

[tutusue]

It seemed to me that the judges were able to separate the personal from the professional while judging. I found it interesting that when all of the kumu were introduced at the end and brought up to the stage, the camera featured each kumu approaching the stage for their 5 or 10 seconds of on camera 'glory'. I did not see that happen with Chinky and it appeared to me that the director was intentionally avoiding him by cutting to other cameras. Or, did I miss something?! It was late, afterall! :rolleyes:

Lurkah...I completely agree with you. Chinky is obviously a wonderful kumu hula. That's not even an issue, as I see it. But, out of respect for the 4 boys and their families, I too think he should back off from publicly accepting any awards or adulation and give a new face and name to his halau. If his love of hula is pure he can continue to be involved in this dance for which he has so much talent but also allow it to go in a more socially acceptable direction that doesn't include his name, face or public adulation. For some people, unfortunately, the latter is of utmost importance. I don't know if Mahoe falls into that category.

Lei Liko...I completely respect your knowledge of hula and your opinions about Chinky. You seem to be wise beyond your years. While I don't completely agree with you about this situation I do not, in the least, feel you are "part of the problem".

I , too, have family members who were molested as children. Auntie Lynn is right...it scars for life, regardless of the amount or quality of therapy that's received. Therapy helps to manage one's emotions and pain. Therapy does NOT take those emotions and pain away. Every time a perpetrator's name is mentioned or his/her face is seen, the victims are retraumatized. I feel for those 4 families right now and hope they've stayed clear of all newspapers and tv for the past few days. For them to see this man rewarded (and it makes no difference whether or not it's deserved) has got to make them feel like victims all over again.

[MadAzza]

Since the hula community seems to have accepted him back into the fold, I think the least Chinky should have done, for the integrity of his halau and supporters and to show that he had any measure of being worthy of forgiveness, would've been for him to step down and assign an alaka'i to replace himself to be the new "face" and spokesperson for his halau ...

Lurkah, I agree.

The thing about child molesters (as with other criminals) is that the number of people they've victimized usually is far higher than the number we know about. I can't say that about Chinky, but that is generally true.

[LikaNui]

Geez, just seeing his name in the Merrie Monarch's published results really raises my hackles. :mad:

(And I didn't even know I had hackles. :p )

[uwcollegeguy]

I danced for Chinky mahoe and I was a keiki up until i was a teen.
I have to say that it was also during the time some of these alleged
accusations occured. I have to say Alleged because some of these
kids in class either were the trouble makers or the one's who
tried the hardest to out do one another.
Now its one thing for a person to endure this and go to trial and then
to have a slander and harrasment in the process.
I have to say there is always two sides to every story.
I have to also say that Chinky mahoe not only was a great kumu hula
but taught the main things: Discipline, Honesty, Responsibility, and
humility through his dancing and hula.
I have to also say alot of these people who have to slander this man have
never met him in person nor got to know him on a personal level.
To meet and see a person at performance is one thing to have known him
on a the basis of a dancer or student is another. I can say those who
know Chinky would agree with what i say!

[Pua'i Mana'o]

I danced for Chinky mahoe and I was a keiki up until i was a teen.
I have to say that it was also during the time some of these alleged
accusations occured. I have to say Alleged because some of these
kids in class either were the trouble makers or the one's who
tried the hardest to out do one another.
Now its one thing for a person to endure this and go to trial and then
to have a slander and harrasment in the process.
I have to say there is always two sides to every story.
I have to also say that Chinky mahoe not only was a great kumu hula
but taught the main things: Discipline, Honesty, Responsibility, and
humility through his dancing and hula.
I have to also say alot of these people who have to slander this man have
never met him in person nor got to know him on a personal level.
To meet and see a person at performance is one thing to have known him
on a the basis of a dancer or student is another. I can say those who
know Chinky would agree with what i say!

I respect your experience and would guess that others here might as well. That said, please give these two points sober consideration:

1)child molesters don't usually go after every youth available. They often pick out their targets, groom them emotionally (either through positions of authority or trusted confidante) and then zero in.

Just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it didn't happen to others.

2)youths being victimized, particularly at the hands of one in authority, lack the skills and the power to immediately articulate what is happening to them. Since not every case is one of violent rape, it becomes harder to sort out what happened/how it did/what did I do to cause it, etc.

Being a troublemaker is the most common form of lashing out when you are a kid being molested.

And. It. Changes. You. Forever. To top it off, there is nothing--I repeat, NOTHING--worse to have happen to a child than to have his/her experiences suspected/ridiculed/not believed.

I end this with a plea to respect others' experiences and extend empathy and compassion where it is deserved.

[LikaNui]

I have to say that it was also during the time some of these alleged accusations occured. I have to say Alleged because (...)My only problem with your comments is that you keep saying the accusations are "alleged", but in reality, Chinky CONFESSED! He admitted to multiple counts of child molestation. Plain and simple. Nothing "alleged" about it.
Congratulations to you for not being one of Chinky's victims, and good luck to you in your endeavors.

[LikaNui]

See convicted child molester Chinky Mahoe in the sixth photo down in John Berger's column here in today's Star Bulletin (http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/21/features/berger.html).
That photo should be cropped to just show Kinky Chinky and then posted all over O`ahu.
I fail to understand why the Makaha Sons continue to feature such a reviled pervert, who has admitted to multiple counts of the molestation of innocent children.
:mad:

[Leo Lakio]

in reality, Chinky CONFESSED! He admitted to multiple counts of child molestation.who has admitted to multiple counts of the molestation of innocent children.I thought he pled "no contest," which is not a legal admission of guilt. If that's the case, we should at least be clear about it. If not, I'm open to correction.

[pzarquon]

I thought he pled "no contest," which is not a legal admission of guilt. If that's the case, we should at least be clear about it. If not, I'm open to correction.You know, I had the impression that he confessed at some point as well, but thinking back, it may just be the usual presumption prompted by breathless media coverage. Notes the Star-Bulletin (as part of a child-abuse retrospective sidebar to another story):Aug. 24, 1998: Hula teacher Howell "Chinky" Mahoe, 43, was sentenced to five years probation for sexually assaulting four boys, ages 9 to 14, from his dance classes. He pleaded no contest to five felony counts of third-degree sexual assault and one misdemeanor fourth-degree sexual assault charge involving incidents from 1994 to 1996.No contest, or nolo contendre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolo_contendere), "means that the defendant neither admits nor disputes the charge." One can make all the suppositions one likes, but under the law, it means nothing more or less than that.

Not that I'm defending the guy, and given that he served time, you can count me among those who think his continued participation in various events (and, in fact, those events' mind-boggling affection for him) is poor form. But one can still hold that view on the basis of facts, rather than allegations.

[LikaNui]

No contest, or nolo contendre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolo_contendere), "means that the defendant neither admits nor disputes the charge."Right. He did not dispute the charge, and he accepted the sentence for the crime.
Point, set and match: convicted child molester.

given that he served time, There's the rub, PZ. He did NOT "serve time" per se; he was merely given probation.
For multiple counts of child molestation.
Sometimes our legal system just plain sucks.
:mad:

[pzarquon]

Right. He did not dispute the charge, and he accepted the sentence for the crime. Point, set and match: convicted child molester.Convicted yes, confessed no. This column says (http://starbulletin.com/97/10/23/editorial/shapiro.html) Mahoe maintains his innocence despite the no contest plea, rather than simply accepting responsibility or -- as many have rightfully demanded -- at least expressing remorse.
There's the rub, PZ. He did NOT "serve time" per se; he was merely given probation. For multiple counts of child molestation. Sometimes our legal system just plain sucks.Ah, quite right, and an important distinction. You'll get no argument from me on that last point. Fifteen years for identity theft (http://www.khon.com/khon/displayStory.cfm?storyID=14313), one year for killing someone (http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/15/news/story05.html) while driving drunk? Yeah, that makes sense.

[1stwahine]

Right. Sometimes our legal system just plain sucks.
:mad:

Too often our little ones bring allegations to the Culprits who intentionally Sexually Abuse their bodies. In the case of Mr. Mahoe, it wasn't just one child.

I too, suffered from Sexual Abuse by a family member when I was a little girl. I made the allegations but no one listened. Only this past year they finally did. They apologized. They hugged me.

My abuser...ready to die from heart disease. He has not apologized to me yet. Ainokea, he will have to explain it to the man above.

Still the hurt and pain, I carried all these years never did go away. It has affected my life Big Time. We must listen to the children whenever they make an accusation. No matter how unimaginable it may be. Nothing should be taken for granted.

Yes, the system itself Sucks when it comes to letting animals back into Society to prey on Innocent Children again. :mad:

Allegations from children are coming from broken hearted Angels.

Auntie Lynn

[Leo Lakio]

Right. He did not dispute the charge, and he accepted the sentence for the crime. Point, set and match: convicted child molester.
LikaNui, please read again what I wrote earlier. I did not dispute his conviction, but rather your continued use of the word "admitted," which appears to be inaccurate.

"Point, set and match"? Please.

[LikaNui]

LikaNui, please read again what I wrote earlier. I did not dispute his conviction, but rather your continued use of the word "admitted," which appears to be inaccurate."Appearances" notwithstanding, this is petty semantics.
I refuse to attend any event in which Chinky is participating. The Makaha Sons lost the cost of my two tickets for the "Walk In The Country" show last weekend.
:cool:

[1stwahine]

"Appearances" notwithstanding, this is petty semantics.
I refuse to attend any event in which Chinky is participating. The Makaha Sons lost the cost of my two tickets for the "Walk In The Country" show last weekend.
:cool:
Bravo Likanui! If more like you would do the same, it would show society doesn't put up with anyone accused by children.

In time, his Demons will reappear and unfortunately, another innocent victim will be abused.

Auntie Lynn

btw: Does anybody else notice but this Forum is HOT today! Slow down, I can NOT type fast.

[Leo Lakio]

"Appearances" notwithstanding, this is petty semantics.
No. In this case, it is a very distinct legal difference, and that's where I would like to see the clarity in this discussion. Legal issues (such as admission of guilt) are not petty.

LikaNui, I have great respect for you and enjoy reading your postings, please be sure you understand that. In fact, I applaud you for taking a stand based on how you feel about the situation. You "voted" with your wallet, and made it clear that you could not support someone who showed support in turn for Chinky Mahoe.

I brought up this topic of clarity because you were taking an earlier poster to task for using the word "alleged"; I felt that you also needed to be more accurate in the terms you used. Pzarquon said:it may just be the usual presumption prompted by breathless media coverage. People complain all the time about how "the media spins" facts, yet fail to hold to similar standards in a public forum, where misinformation can spread further.

Please note that at no time have I expressed anything that should be interpreted as support, judgment or endorsement of the individual who is the topic of the thread.

[SouthKona]

Pleading "no contest" has a benefit that applies to cases where there is the potential for lawsuits: for a criminal defendant, pleading no contest enables him to deny the act at a later civil trial - the plea cannot later be used to prove wrongdoing in a civil suit for monetary damages, but a plea of guilty can.

[helen]

Hmmmm. In this case it a victim's civil case against Chinky Mahoe might make it tougher but not impossible given the plea of no contest.

[LikaNui]

Bravo Likanui! If more like you would do the same, it would show society doesn't put up with anyone accused by children.
Okay, I gave myself a day of "time out" on this thread. :p But...
Auntie's comment about "anyone accused by children" prompts me to point out that not everyone who is accused is actually guilty. There are countless cases where children have made accusations against adults and those accusations were later proven to be groundless and were merely a matter of the kids trying to retaliate against the adult for various reasons.
One very recent example was right here on O`ahu with the case of the dance instructor (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/May/30/br/br14p.html). That article notes "... the girls' testimony was so inconsistent that it could not be believed. Myron Takemoto, Jones' lawyer, argued he was the victim of a "wildfire of hysteria" fueled by one of the five girls who was obsessed with Jones, who had rejected her."
Ergo, we shouldn't make judgements based on mere accusations but instead should wait for results of a trial.
In Kinky Chinky Mahoe's case, those children did not lie. The results are in and he was found guilty of six counts of child molestation.
:mad:

(And a side note to Leo: no harm, no foul, brah! We agree on most issues. No worries.)

[pzarquon]

Lika, I'm as disgusted with the way Chinky Mahoe's case was handled as anyone else. But I don't think Leo's rebuttals were merely "petty semantics." Several times in this thread, you emphasized strongly the word "confessed," and "admitted." Honestly, even I had the impression that he'd confessed -- perhaps from the frenzied media coverage, perhaps from the outcry of family members, or perhaps even just from reading your posts to this thread.

But, it turns out, he did not confess, and in fact (to the disgust of many) continues to claim innocence. If prosecutors at least said they had a confession but were unable to introduce it at trial, I can see citing that as an exhibit in an argument against the man (though it'd be unprovable). But no. Now, we do have a "no contest" plea, a conviction and sentence, and ongoing restrictions related to his sex-offender status. That's plenty bad enough to be convinced the man has no place in community and cultural events. Though obviously some event planners feel differently.

I clarify this only because you're now saying, "The kids in Daniel Jones' case were lying. The kids in Chinky Mahoe's case were not." These are not, sadly, undisputed facts, and therefore also not a compelling point in the debate.

The statements in the article you cite for Jones? They're the assertions of his defense attorney. Of course he'd say the whole thing was fabricated. And yes, Jones was acquitted, but only on 12 of 18 charges. I believe prosecutors still plan on pursuing the remaining charges. And it took the jury nine days to decide on those 12, mind you. Hardly the signs of a clear-cut case.

As for the kids in Chinky Mahoe's case, it's a fair statement that the victims weren't lying, insofar as they formed the basis of the prosecution's case, a case which Chinky Mahoe chose not to contest. On the other hand, there was no trial, and no testimony... so what was "said" can only be guessed at from news coverage or family statements.

Again, my point is, one can evaluate all the available facts in Chinky Mahoe's case and conclude that it's apalling that he still participates in events and that event organizers welcome him... without going an extra few steps into conjecture and assumptions.

[LikaNui]

Noticed this in the "Calendar: Local Events" for today at the bottom of HT's main page:

San Diego Kane Workshop Chinky Mahoe
Kane Workshop $40 from 6:00 - 8:00 pm. Courtyard by Marriott, 8651 Spectrum Center Blvd. For info call Bonnie at 619-895-3268.

It was posted by screen name "gwayland" who joined HT on May 5, 2006, and who has written zero posts. Apparently just joined HT to promote Kinky Chinky.
I wonder if the Marriott corporation knows that they're hosting a convicted child molester...
:mad:

[pzarquon]

Apparently just joined HT to promote Kinky Chinky.Well, HawaiiThreads is now one of the top -- if not the top -- search results for his name (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Chinky+Mahoe). The fact that he continues to perform is proof that some folks are still fans. I'm actually surprised we haven't heard from more of them. (Though I can imagine how well that conversation will turn out.)I wonder if the Marriott corporation knows that they're hosting a convicted child molester...Why not call them? Spread the word! Boycotts have certainly been built on less.

Seriously. The reasons Chinky Mahoe still gets to perform are basically (1.) some people think he's innocent, and (2.) some people think doubts over his innocence are outweighed by the commercial benefits of having his participation. You're probably not going to change that first one, but the second? I don't think it'd be too hard to make Chinky Mahoe a commercial liability rather than an asset -- and I can't fathom why he isn't already.

[helen]

Let me ask this hypothetical question then. What if instead of probation he actually spent time in jail. And he servered the entire sentence and is now released back into society.

Would they be any changes in the way people feel about him?

[Adri]

Let me ask this hypothetical question then. What if instead of probation he actually spent time in jail. And he servered the entire sentence and is now released back into society.

Would they be any changes in the way people feel about him?

(Assuming he actually did molest children) I think there would be less outrage if he did serve jail time but I do not think it would change the way people feel about him. Those who support him would probably continue to support him and those who believe he molested children would probably never again trust him or think well of him. I believe child molestation is one of the few things one cannot be redeemed from (at least by us. Possibly by God, if you believe in God.) If he stole money, I might believe that he's really really sorry and will never do it again. But if it was as simple as stealing money, he could give the money back or make some kind of restitution. There's no way to undo molesting children. Also, certainly some people can refrain from ever molesting children again but the rate of recidivism is high for child molesters.

[LikaNui]

Let me ask this hypothetical question then. What if instead of probation he actually spent time in jail. And he servered the entire sentence and is now released back into society.
Would they be any changes in the way people feel about him? Yes, absolutely.
I'd still want them to give him a frontal lobotomy, but now I'd say it was okay to use anesthesia for it.
:p

[SouthKona]

Yes, absolutely.
I'd still want them to give him a frontal lobotomy, but now I'd say it was okay to use anesthesia for it.
:p

There is perhaps the amputation of a different part of the anatomy than part of the brain that would be even more effective for child molesters .... :eek:

[LikaNui]

I don't think it'd be too hard to make Chinky Mahoe a commercial liability rather than an asset -- and I can't fathom why he isn't already. Reviving this old thread (one of many that contained discussions about Kinky Chinky, most of which were deservedly negative) to say that there are two new opportunities to make him that "commercial liability" that Ryan mentioned.
First is The Makaha Sons annual "Take A Walk In The Country" concert at the Waikiki Shell tomorrow (Saturday) night, where one of the guests is (as usual) Chinky Mahoe. I love the Sons but will boycott (again) the concert because of Chinky. I hope others will too, but if you must go, please get up and walk out when Chinky comes onstage, as many of us did before.
Second is a new compilation CD. In today’s Advertiser, Wayne Harada’s “Island Sounds” column (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070615/ENT0301/706150307/1130/ENT0301) includes a review of the new CD "Mea Makamae (Hawaiian Treasures)" by various artists; Poki Records. Harada lists many of the performers and their songs, then adds "with additional tracks by Justin, Rocky Brown, Kahua, Chinky Mahoe, Frank Kawaikapuokalani Hewett, and the Hawaiian All-Star Band."
Obviously I'm not going to buy that CD and I'll be glad to tell record stores and Poki Records the reason why:
BOYCOTT THE CHILD MOLESTER.
We might forgive, but we will never forget.

:mad:

[1stwahine]

I'm with you ALL da way!

Auntie Lynn aka Auntie Pupule

[Leo Lakio]

Another for your list, perhaps?

Walt Keale (related, of course, to Uncle Moe, and to IZ & Skippy dem) recorded one of Mahoe's songs on his just-released debut CD, "Kahikina."

[WindwardOahuRN]

For those of you who might be interested in seeing whether or not there are sex offenders in your own little neighborhoods you can find out here:

http://www.familywatchdog.us/

Yep, Chinky shows up in my neighborhood, complete with picture, address, and list of offenses.

[LikaNui]

For those of you who might be interested in seeing whether or not there are sex offenders in your own little neighborhoods you can find out here: http://www.familywatchdog.us/. Yep, Chinky shows up in my neighborhood, complete with picture, address, and list of offenses. And I'm reviving this thread because he's showing up in your neighborhood again, according to this new story (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/BREAKING01/80422086) :
The I Love Kailua Town Party will feature a stage just for hula performances from 10 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., featuring halau from Kailua.
The party, on Kailua Road, is set for 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. Sunday. Admission is $3; children under 12 get in free.
(...)
The groups performing are:
(...)
2:45 p.m.: Halau Hula 'O Kawaili'ula, Chinky Mahoe.


And how utterly revolting that the story includes (as seen above) "Children under 12 get in free." :mad: In reality, children under 12 should be kept miles away!
I can't imagine what the ILKTP folks were thinking, but they just lost the business of all my friends and I. We will definitely NOT attend their event, due to their idiotic inclusion of a convicted child molester as a performer.
As I've said about Kinky Chinky before, we may forgive... but we'll NEVER forget. :mad: