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Miulang
December 26th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Why must we insist on creating manmade disasters like war, or erosion of the environment, when there are more than enough natural disasters that require our moral and financial support? An estimated 11,000 killed (at least 3 Americans) in the earthquakes and tsunamis in Indonesia that also affected 6 other countries.
Miulang
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/26/quake.bush.ap/index.html
kimo55
December 26th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Why must we insist on creating manmade disasters like war, or erosion of the environment, when there are more than enough natural disasters that require our moral and financial support?
aaah yes. the everslanted, warped priorities of the human race. the perrenial problem.
craigwatanabe
December 27th, 2004, 10:03 AM
map of earthquake affected countries
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/9551/asiaquakemap6mo.gif
1stwahine
December 27th, 2004, 10:30 AM
Like I keep saying,"I learn everyday at this Website!" Mahalo, CraigWatanabe!
zztype
December 27th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Anybody else notice that Myanmar, sandwiched in the middle of devastated countries, shows no damage?
What's the story there, eh?
Blaine
Miulang
December 27th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Reports coming out of Yangoon say that at least 56 people have been reported killed by the tsunami, although that number is expected to rise. The reason why Myanmar didn't have as many casualties is because their beachfront is not as widely populated as those in Thailand and Sri Lanka. Which is something else that can be said about stopping "progress" in developing countries if it means messing with mother nature!
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/124375/1/.html
Miulang
zztype
December 28th, 2004, 06:38 AM
Mahalo Miulang. Great reference. That explains a lot.
Blaine
Reports coming out of Yangoon say that at least 56 people have been reported killed by the tsunami, although that number is expected to rise. The reason why Myanmar didn't have as many casualties is because their beachfront is not as widely populated as those in Thailand and Sri Lanka. Which is something else that can be said about stopping "progress" in developing countries if it means messing with mother nature!
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/124375/1/.html
Miulang
Miulang
December 28th, 2004, 07:12 AM
Mahalo Miulang. Great reference. That explains a lot.
Blaine
One other thing about Myanmar is that they have a very repressive military government in power right now, and Nobel laureate Suu Kyi (the lady whose been under house arrest for years) and the UN are trying to discourage foreigners from visiting because every tourist dollar just supports the repressive regime in power. However, the lure of ancient and mysterious temples and clean, deserted beaches apparently is drawing many tourists there anyway.
Miulang
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 05:10 AM
Death toll now over 70,000. Aid is now starting to trickle in from all over the world. No word on casualties from inland communities yet. Sri Lanka is the hardest hit. US government has finally pledged more support and will be coordinating relief efforts with Japan and Australia. I'd much rather see our money going to humanitarian causes like this than to feed a war.
By helping countries with large Muslim populations (Indonesia and Sri Lanka especially), it might help us restore some face with the Muslims worldwide who are repulsed by our war in the Middle East.
If you can, please donate some money through your church (if they are holding a drive) or through one of the nongovernmental organizations (like the Red Cross). I am donating through Oxfam America (https://secure.ga3.org/02/oxfamamerica). I used to work for them a long, long time ago, and they are the reason I know so much about the world. I especially like this group because they don't accept government funding, are nonsectarian (although they do have Quaker roots) and have been working on self-help projects in Southeast Asia and India for years. the relief agencies would prefer monetary donations, because that way they can purchase the medicines, food and water the local people really need. And with the end of the year approaching, you probably could use another tax deduction, yeah?
Miulang
1stwahine
December 29th, 2004, 06:20 AM
Mahalo Miulang! Despite what's going on in my life...it's nothing compared to the devastation in which these people are in. My MAMA and I will donate money to Salvation Army (she was raised by them after her own parents died when she was ten). Everyday,watching the news and listening to the personal stories coming out of their is heartbreaking. There was one about a white two year old boy who was slightly injured on his hand but who was found almost drowned. They didn't even know what nationality he was. After showing his face on the news there, he was reuinted with his granny. His mother is in the hospital but his father is still missing. Little boy looks like an ANGEL!
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 07:12 AM
The latest count is over 100,000 dead and many more still unaccounted for. To put this into some kind of local perspective, imagine if the entire island of Kaua'i lost its population in a couple of hours. By the time all the counting's done, the total could equal the population of Maui. :eek:
Miulang
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/15630695?source=Evening%20Standard&ct=5
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 07:19 AM
Part of the tragedy could have been averted if the Thai meterologists had not suppressed the tsunami warning because they feared it would impact the tourist industry in their country. How many of the people who died in Phuket and Patong and PhiPhi could have been saved?
Scientists in Hawai'i at the tsunami center said they sent messages to Indonesia warning of the tsunamis but they never got a reply. I think there are going to be a few heads rolling in both Indonesia and Thailand over this revelation.
Miulang
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7569.htm
Linkmeister
December 29th, 2004, 08:35 AM
FYI, Amazon has set up a 1-click system for donations to the American Red Cross Tsunami Relief Fund. It appears on the entry page.
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 09:02 AM
FYI, Amazon has set up a 1-click system for donations to the American Red Cross Tsunami Relief Fund. It appears on the entry page.
Thus far, Amazon has raised more than a million dollars for the tsunami relief. Amazing...shows that Americans (not the government) have large hearts.
Miulang
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 09:40 AM
This is toooo cool. India, which lost about 5,000 inhabitants due to the tsunamis is turning down foreign assistance. In fact, they are sending money and resources to Sri Lanka and the Maldives because they believe they have enough resources not only to take care of their own, but to help some of their neighbors, too.
Miulang
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041229/wl_sthasia_afp/asiaquakeindiaaidforeign_041229092823
Miulang
December 29th, 2004, 04:02 PM
It doesn't pay to mess with Mother Nature, because she might just fight back!
The Year the Earth Fought Back (http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/12/29/opinion/edsimon.html)
By Simon Winchester, The New York Times, Wednesday 29 December 2004
London - Like two bookends of calamity, earthquakes at Bam in Iran and off Sumatra in Indonesia have delineated a year of unusual seismic ferocity - a year, one might say, of living dangerously. Twelve months, almost to the very hour, before Sunday's extraordinary release of stress at the India-Burma tectonic plate boundary, a similar jolt at the boundary of the Arabian and the Eurasian Plates devastated one of the most celebrated of Persian caravan cities. The televised images of Bam's collapsed citadel and the sight of thousands of bodies being carried from the desert ruins haunted the world then just as the images of the drowned around the shores of the Bay of Bengal do today.
But that has not been the half of it. True, these two disasters were, in terms of their numbers of casualties, by far the most lethal. But in the 12 months that separated them, there have been many other ruinous and seismically ominous events, occurring in places that seem at first blush to be entirely disconnected.
Miulang
1stwahine
December 29th, 2004, 04:14 PM
Ms. Miulang, Mahalo again. Wanted to tell you, that it's not psychological! Damn doctocrs can't make up their minds. now, could be nuerological...another sereis of testing begins. I'm not grumbling. 80,000+ have more worse problems!
pzarquon
December 30th, 2004, 09:26 AM
Individual donations collected by Amazon.com (http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PX3BEL97U9A4I/) alone have surpased $5.4 million.
Meanwhile, three videos taken by people who witnessed the disaster (Sri Lanka (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2661406), Patong Beach (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2661404) and Phuket (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2661405)) first hand are being archived and served up over at IFILM. In this day of big-screen million-dollar mega-effects, it's amazing just how horrifying and breathtaking a few seconds of grainy, web-encoded amateur video can still be.
Miulang
December 30th, 2004, 09:43 AM
The main obstacle to getting people help now is not that aid supplies aren't available, it's that the infrastructure of most of the towns affected (roads damaged, etc.) don't allow trucks to bring the aid to the people. So they are having to air drop supplies to the most isolated areas.
I think by the time all the counting's done, individual US contributions will put USAID numbers to shame. It's not that America isn't generous, it's that the government has other priorities. The people themselves are extremely generous in times of crisis; I know. I used to work for one of the NGOs (nongovernmental organization) and whenever there was a famine in Africa or floods in Bangladesh, money would come streaming in.
Miulang
P.S. The decaying, bloated bodies still lying in the tropical sun are not what's going to kill many of the survivors; what will kill them is contaminated water that will give them malaria, dysentery (pretty lethal in babies), cholera and measles. The saddest thing about this disaster is that a whole generation of young children has been decimated. :(
kimo55
December 30th, 2004, 11:35 AM
Death Toll:
400,000 ?!
http://drudgereport.com/flash5.htm
Miulang
December 30th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Here's scientific information about the earthquake/tsunamis in SE Asia (including past events). Very interesting, if you like learning new things (even has an animated clip about tsunamis):
http://iri.columbia.edu/~lareef/tsunami/
Miulang
Miulang
December 30th, 2004, 01:07 PM
In case there are skeptics out there who are wondering where the donations are coming from, here's a link to an Australian site which will keep track of who's giving what. You might notice that Pfizer (the American drug company) has given as much aid to the survivors as the American government (USAID). :mad:
Miulang
http://www.crikey.com.au/business/2004/12/30-0009.html
Miulang
December 30th, 2004, 03:38 PM
amazing. Catholic Relief Services, the relief arm of the American Catholic Church, has pledged $25 million to aid the earthquake and tsunami victims. That's only $10 million less than our government can come up with. The Catholics are obviously putting their religion aside with this gesture, because Indonesia and Sri Lanka, especially, are predominantly Muslim countries.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=2337&e=13&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_re_us/tsunami_catholic_relief
Miulang
pzarquon
December 31st, 2004, 10:06 AM
The U.S. boosted its monetary pledge to $35 million (in addition to military/logistical support already deployed) after the "stingy" accusation. Many are pointing out that the amount is roughly what will be spent on George W. Bush's fancy inauguration ceremony, and still not enough (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/30/opinion/30thu2.html?oref=login).
The Amazon.com drive has already netted $9,146,415.04. So one narrow channel of people have independently raised more than a quarter of what an entire government has pledged? I suspect Red Cross collections may have already surpassed that mark.
The whole tsunami aid issue has sparked a game of one-upsmanship (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-tsunami31.html) that's pretty silly. But of all things for nations to get competitive about, I suppose this is as good a "contest" as any.
Linkmeister
December 31st, 2004, 03:04 PM
American Red Cross is bumping $20M already, and not-so-curious George has now upped the US contribution to $350M.
craigwatanabe
January 1st, 2005, 09:49 PM
Got this off the Kim Kommando website, it's a link to one of the most comprehensive websites devoted to the Indian Ocean earthquake. Quite impressive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
Miulang
January 2nd, 2005, 08:39 PM
American Red Cross is bumping $20M already, and not-so-curious George has now upped the US contribution to $350M.
I thing ol George got shamed into upping the ante because Japan pledged $500 million.
This morning in a TV interview Colin Powell said that wasn't the case, but watching his face tells me that something changed between Friday and today.
Miulang
Miulang
January 3rd, 2005, 06:03 AM
Wow. What a PR coup. Dubya convinced his dad and Bubba to be the American face of the SE Asia Tsunami Disaster Relief efforts. They're even making condolence visits today to all the embassies of the countries affected.
One of the talk show people up here made an observation this morning that it made him proud to see pictures of our Navy helicopters dropping supplies to isolated villages. He, as do I, believe that these humanitarian efforts (as well as all of the cash that individual Americans are contributing) will help change the perception some of the people in those Muslim countries have of us. Which would be a welcome relief to what's going on in the Middle East where we are deliberately taking lives of innocent Muslim people. A natural disaster is a time for people everywhere to recognize that if you take away the person's language, color of skin and political belief, we are all one. A political disaster as in Iraq only shows how ideologies can get in the way of humanity.
Miulang
Linkmeister
January 4th, 2005, 08:45 AM
From PBN: (http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2005/01/03/daily9.html?t=printable)
Top restaurants pitch in for Tsunami relief
Many of Honolulu's top restaurants have agreed to pitch in their culinary talents for a tsunami-relief fundraiser at Aloha Tower Marketplace next Monday.
The goal is to raise $100,000, with all proceeds going to the American Red Cross, Hawaii Chapter.
"After seeing the devastation and mounting mortality rates, I think we all need to contribute to this global humanitarian effort," said Chai Chaowasaree, owner and chef of Chai's Island Bistro and one of the event's organizers.
The fund-raiser will cost $60 per person and take place Monday, Jan. 10, at the Aloha Tower Marketplace, with food booths open from 5:30 to 8:30 p.m.
Participating restaurants include Alan Wong's, Roy's Restaurant, 3660 on the Rise, Sansei, Mariposa, Side Street Inn, Gordon Biersch Brewery and Hy's Steak House.
Southern Wine & Spirits, Fine Wine Imports, Better Brand, Chambers and Chambers and Hawaiian Isle Water agreed to supply spirits for the event.
Island entertainers also are pitching in. Among those scheduled to play are The Brothers Cazimero, Hapa, Na Palapalai, Jake Shimabukuro and Henry Kapono.
Sounds like good food and entertainment. If I were in the neighborhood I'd go.
Miulang
January 4th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Your interesting thought to ponder for today: According to various news reports, the world has thus far committed to sending a little over $2 billion to the victims of the SE Asian earthquake and tsunami. While that sum appears to be a staggering amount of money, consider that we in the US burn $180 million each and every day we are in Iraq to support our war machine. There's something perversely and grossly wrong with these priorities.
I think, as Colin Powell put it (and as I surmised a few days ago on this thread), sending relief money to Muslim-held countries like Indonesia and Sri Lanka will do more to stop the threat of terrorists than all the bullets and bombs we use in Iraq.
Miulang
kimo55
January 4th, 2005, 03:06 PM
we in the US burn $5 billion each and every day we are in Iraq to support our war machine.
Miulang
jeez. incredible.
Miulang
January 4th, 2005, 03:34 PM
jeez. incredible.
The actual daily figure is more like $180 million, without the addition of the 20k more troops that will be incountry by Jan. 30.
Gotta be factual.
Miulang
Linkmeister
January 5th, 2005, 07:44 AM
Yeah, it's ~$4B/month, not per day.
Miulang
January 6th, 2005, 06:13 AM
Just a little reminder that we need to disavow ourselves of the notion that we can control nature, because we can't. Something else to consider: we throughout history have killed more people through manmade disasters like wars than nature has killed people through natural disasters.
"Our species is in reality, when compared to the forces of the only home we have, an impotent army of six billion primates at the mercy of anything Earth throws at us. We are as primitive as the humans of 100,000 years ago, with slight evolutions – or regressions, depending on how one might look at it – of theology, music, dance, communication, war, culture, technology, art and food, to name but a few, that have grown with our increased numbers and our communal intelligence.
In fact, we have been doing much of the above since the beginning of time, banging on drums, wood and rock with bones, grunting and singing below a sky-lit night, thus making music in front of fire; conjuring up deities to explain a mysterious and dangerous world around us, encompassing the unknown and the fear-induced, creating myths and fables to give our existence meaning and our world answers; painting figures on cave walls to the extent of human imagination much like today’s art masterpieces conjure up world’s of creative design and ingenuity; hunting for mammoth and bison and picking seeds now replaced by hunting and gathering at the nearest supermarket; caves and primitive dwellings have been replaced by homes and buildings, yet we still sleep in our nests, our beds, and still perform daily functions in the home much like our forefathers did in their caves; we still fear out of ignorance, we still fight over territory, we still claim hierarchical leaders and we still battle over which god is better than the other; we communicate much like those of yesteryear, much like humanity has done since the beginning, but with newer technologies. Everything remains the same, only altered by changing technology and the power of the growing communal brain, now six billion strong.
Yet primitive we remain, no matter how enlightened industrialized nations and their peoples think themselves to be, no matter how modern their societies tend to be and no matter how ego driven their delusion of supreme ascendancy is. Modern man, with all his knowledge, intelligence, technology, culture and civilization, remains as primitive as his ancestors of centuries past. He remains a product of his animal urges, needs, wants and psychology, a mammal confined to the basic elements of what makes him a bipedal primate.
In the end, all humans, whether from industrialized nations or third world hellholes, whether rich or poor, whether from one tribe or ethnicity, live life in much the same way, breathing, seeing, hearing, sweating, bleeding, communicating, reproducing, thinking, observing, eating, drinking, sleeping, surviving and behaving much the same way humankind has done for thousands upon thousands of years, much the same way as our mammal cousins have and continue to do as well. We are the same species of long ago, our brains being of the same variety, not having grown or evolved for millennia, leaving the long chain of primate links behind as testament to our origins and our reality. For evolution does not work in decades or centuries, and our changes over the last 100,000 years have been civilizational and societal, not physical, mental or behavioral. Modern man of today has not changed significantly for a few hundred thousand years, and our behaviors, while more technologically sophisticated and assaulted by the never-before stresses of modern life, are nonetheless very similar to those of our long dead ancestors who roamed the plains of the world in the greatest Diaspora in the history of man.
We are powerless to stop and control nature, yet we crown ourselves emperors and rulers of the planet. From the smallest virus birthing plague and disease to the largest earthquake destroying our cities to the deadliest hurricanes ravaging states to the most unpredictable tornado causing havoc we are at the mercy of nature and Earth, unable to control and dominate weather and even the smallest microbes. Yet we think ourselves beyond primitive, beyond the impotent and plebian species we really are, ravaging its planet and its home, making extinct untold number of species, polluting its air, water and land, growing in number like the most voracious plague of locusts, exploiting Earth beyond its means, ripping apart balances that have lasted into perpetuity and each year bringing closer to destruction an entire planet. .."
Miulang
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7628.htm
Serenity
January 7th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Below is a sight for you to light a candle and leave a message to all those involved in this disaster. Whether the people be dead or alive and for those left behind..
just let them know we all care...thanks.
http://www.kaskus.com/peduliaceh/index.php
kimo55
January 8th, 2005, 12:36 PM
ride da wild surf....
http://homepage.mac.com/demark/tsunami/
Miulang
January 9th, 2005, 03:54 PM
One of the helicopters stationed on the USS Abraham Lincoln, which is providing assistance by ferrying supplies and personnel into remote areas, crashed earlier today in Aceh. None of the 10 people on board the flight was killed, but all other helicopter aid flights have been suspended indefinitely while an investigation into the accident is launched.
Locals insist the accident was caused by rebels shooting rifles at the helicopter but the Navy will not comment on the report for now.
Helicopters have been the most effective means of distributing supplies in areas where the infrastructure was severely impacted by the earthquake and tsunamis.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050110/ts_nm/quake_indonesia_crash_dc
Also reported a few hours ago on cable news: there is a possibility of cyclones hitting Indonesia over the next day or so, which would only add more misery to a country already suffering from the staggering loss of so many people.
Miulang
Miulang
January 9th, 2005, 04:23 PM
Starbucks has donated $100,000 plus $2 from every bag of SBUX Sumtra coffee sold during the month of January to aid in tsunami relief. On top of that, its partners are also putting together their own campaigns to bring in more money for relief aid. At least this multinational company cares about the people in some of the countries from which it buys product. (Hello, WM? Wherefore art thou?)
Miulang
Starbucks Donates $100,000 to Southeast Asia Relief Efforts
SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)---- In addition, Company Will Enhance Contribution by Donating $2 From Sales of Select Southeast Asian Whole Bean Coffees During January
In response to the unprecedented natural disaster in Southeast Asia, Starbucks Coffee Company (Nasdaq:SBUX) has made an initial contribution of $100,000 to two international relief organizations -- CARE and Oxfam UK. Both international relief organizations have been actively involved in the rescue efforts in the countries that were badly impacted by the earthquake and tsunamis.
In addition to the immediate cash donation to these relief agencies, during January 2005 Starbucks will also donate $2 for every pound of Sumatra, Decaf Sumatra and Aged Sumatra whole bean coffee purchased in its Company-operated stores in the U.S., Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and Germany, while supplies last.
"We are deeply saddened by the tremendous devastation and rising death toll in Southeast Asia, and extend our condolences and deepest sympathies to the bereaved families and those impacted by this tragic event," said Howard Schultz, Starbucks chairman. "Starbucks has a long tradition of striving to contribute positively to communities in which we do business. Our prayers and thoughts are with all the families who have lost their loved ones."
To further enhance the Company's initial cash contribution to the designated relief organizations, Starbucks Company-operated stores in these markets will donate $2, or local currency equivalent, for every pound of whole bean Sumatra and Decaf Sumatra coffee sold in January 2005. The donation will also apply to Aged Sumatra, the next Starbucks(R) Black Apron Exclusives(TM) coffee, when it arrives in stores on January 5.
CARE will receive the donation from the sale of these coffees in the U.S. and Canada and Oxfam UK will be the recipient of the donation from coffee sales in the United Kingdom, Australia and Germany.
Starbucks partners (employees) around the world are also supporting the relief efforts in a number of ways. For example, stores in Thailand proclaimed December 29 "Day of Giving," during which 100 percent of the day's store profits were designated for relief. The store partners from the remaining Phuket, Thailand Starbucks store spent several thousand baht (local currency) of their own money in the immediate aftermath of the tsunami to buy food, water, and cloth to wrap bodies for victims in the community.
"I am humbled by the response demonstrated by the world community," continued Schultz. "We know in our hearts that giving back to the communities of Southeast Asia, which have been part of the Starbucks family for more than 20 years, will help towards recovery and rebuilding efforts. As the days go by and the relief needs change, the Company and our partners will continue to look for ways to provide support to the impacted communities."
Miulang
January 10th, 2005, 06:27 PM
Sometimes you can be damned if you do the right thing, and then damned again for trying to make things right.
After hastily burying thousands of victims in the wake of the tsunamis in Thailand, authorities now have to exhume the mass graves in order to try to identify if there are foreign bodies mingled with the Thai victims. They were in such a rush to get the bodies buried to prevent some of the diseases they feared might erupt that they neglected to even try to differentiate between the white and nonwhite corpses. Yuck.
They are also saying that the "second tsunami" (of money and supplies from abroad) is starting to hit now, and they don't know how or if they'll be able to ensure that all the money and aid go to the people who need it most. This is particularly true in Indonesia, where the terrorists who control the Eastern part of Indonesia are claiming that "their" people are not getting the same assistance that the rest of Indonesia is. They have gone so far as to set up their own relief agency in Banda Aceh to ensure that their people get some assistance. This, in turn, has caused the Indonesian government to insist on lists of all foreign aid workers and military personnel...just in case someone gets kidnapped. Why does politics always have to get in the way of humanitarian assistance?
Miulang
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=5&u=/nm/20050111/ts_nm/quake_dc
Miulang
January 11th, 2005, 11:20 AM
The FBI recently sent around the following document to warn consumers about the potential for being scammed by internet (and other media) appeals for tsunami relief. Before handing your credit card information or cash over to any group, do a little homework: the best agencies to send money to for the relief effort are well-established organizations who already were doing development work in SE Asia. They were at the disaster sites first, and they know best what kinds of assistance the local people need.
Since I work in e-commerce, it's important to keep the internet safe from the crackpots who give this way of buying and selling things a bad name.
Miulang
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan05/tsunamiscam010505.htm
Miulang
January 12th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Your interesting thought to ponder for today: According to various news reports, the world has thus far committed to sending a little over $2 billion to the victims of the SE Asian earthquake and tsunami. While that sum appears to be a staggering amount of money, consider that we in the US burn $180 million each and every day we are in Iraq to support our war machine.
Miulang
Another interesting comparison on how much we (meaning the government) spend on killing people overseas, v. how much we spend in humanitarian efforts to save people.
Also note that to pay for both our wars and our humanitarian efforts abroad, people in this country are suffering. There's only so much of the pie to go around and now the Bush Administration has decided that more than half of that pie should go to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Miulang
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7662.htm
Miulang
January 24th, 2005, 11:31 AM
Anybody else notice that Myanmar, sandwiched in the middle of devastated countries, shows no damage?
What's the story there, eh?
Blaine
For anyone who wants to know the real toll in Myanmar (Burma) is from the tsunami, here is a report from Indymedia. Prior to the tsunamis, there were many immigrants (legal and illegal) from Myanmar working at the beach resorts in Thailand. When the tsunamis hit places like Phuket, the illegal immigrants were denied assistance by the Thai government. The Thai government is also using the disaster as an excuse to deport many Burmese illegals back to Myanmar.
The true toll to inhabitants living on the coastline of Myanmar may never be known because of the repressive military junta that controls the country, but this Indymedia report states that as many as 3,000 Burmese who were working in Thailand had been killed.
Miulang
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/112810.shtml
Miulang
January 27th, 2005, 05:30 PM
A report on the progress being made in the countries impacted by the SE tsunami from one of the leading American relief agencies, Oxfam America.
I am proud to say that I not only contributed money to their tsunami relief fund, but I once was the director of volunteers for this organization when I lived in Boston. I truly believe in their goals of not only providing immediate assistance in times of disaster, but working with impacted communities to teach them how to live after a disaster in ways that make sense for that culture and increase the health, economy and welfare of that community. For Oxfam America, there's no going into a community and saying, "You have to do it like we do in America." (unlike some other American entities are wont to do :rolleyes: ).
And even though the immediate needs of the people are being met right now (Oxfam America alone has collected more than $30 million), much more will be needed in the long run to help rebuild their lives, homes and businesses.
Miulang
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/whatwedo/emergencies/asian_floods_2004/latest_news/feature_story.2005-01-20.7196970165
Linkmeister
January 27th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Anyone remember the name Kevin Sites? He's the guy who reported on the shooting of the Iraqi in the mosque a month or two ago. He's now in Indonesia, and he's sporadically blogging (http://www.kevinsites.net/) what he's seeing.
Miulang
January 27th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Anyone remember the name Kevin Sites? He's the guy who reported on the shooting of the Iraqi in the mosque a month or two ago. He's now in Indonesia, and he's sporadically blogging (http://www.kevinsites.net/) what he's seeing.
Yeah, I used to go to his blogsite every now and then to see what was really going on in Iraq. So now he's moved on to Indonesia? He must be running on adrenalin only. Before Iraq, he was in Mexico and Afghanistan. If it wasn't for people like him, risking life and limb, we might never know what was "really" going on in places of conflict.
Miulang
pzarquon
February 16th, 2005, 06:02 AM
An interesting development: Tsunami victims sue forecasters (http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Tsunami_Disaster/0,,2-10-1777_1662746,00.html). The Pacific tsunami warning system is targeted in a lawsuit, as is a hotel chain, by Austrian and German tourists caught in the disaster. People just need to have someone to blame, I guess.
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