19 year old seeking a job [Archive]

adrian

January 3rd, 2005, 12:33 PM

I'm getting impatient, going through college, and not being able to help my parents (and myself) with the bills.

Anyone is looking for a good computer geek?

I know just about every Operating System from Microsoft Windows 95, 98, 2000, and XP Home. I just built a computer last year, and I'm good in solving computer problems (especially hardware).

I also do spyware/adaware removal and "computer cleaning" (both hardware and software).

I'd love to work at CompUSA or Circuit City, but they're filled with noobs or people that will make me confused with their skills.

kimo55

January 3rd, 2005, 12:50 PM

I'm getting impatient, going through college, and not being able to help my parents (and myself) with the bills.

Anyone is looking for a good computer geek?

four words:

want ads

phone book

slippahs

January 3rd, 2005, 11:52 PM

You might try working for a temp agency. They can usually get you a job for $10/hour (probably much more than working for CompUSA or Circuity City) based on your skills. Try someone like Remedy Staffing (http://www.remedyhawaii.com/).

1stwahine

January 4th, 2005, 05:16 AM

Get a business license,put an ad in the papers and get going!You don't need an office. Ask your parents for the garage to start out. Theres a lot of customers out there that need help with fixing their computers, programming,etc. I enjoy your whatshamacallits! You've got talent kid, don't wait for anything to happen...go out and seek! Welcome to the real WORLD! yOU HAVE TO WORK HARD FOR SUCCESS, it doesn't come sitting and waiting...doesn't work that way.

adrian

January 4th, 2005, 06:34 AM

easTTriver

January 4th, 2005, 06:37 AM

1stwahine

January 4th, 2005, 07:45 AM

I HATE BUSINESS!

If I'm taking a business class, then I'd do it, but I'm not.

And we don't actually have a garage, but more of a "car port".

They say you you are what you write...

You have talent, I didn't mean for you to go 100% into business, but like all other things...there are rules and regulations. Hence, Buiness License! Tax, etx,etc. Another good advice this morning was working TEMP! Sitting at home, complaining, isn't gonna help bring in the dough, unless you go on welfare or get SSI and wait for checks once a month! Then again, our system makes it easy for everyone to become cripples and live off other people's sweat! Don't you go giving me attitude Young Man! GROW UP! Or better yet, since you got a Degree (not Business) join the Military and become an Officer and a Gentelman! :mad:

Miulang

January 4th, 2005, 08:03 AM

To come to Adrian's defense lido bit, he's a good guy. Lives at home, helps his Mom out (and his Mama raised him to be a thoughtful, helpful person, which is a plus), doesn't even drive a car right now and has to get to school on a bus. Sometimes he gets overwhelmed by stuff (like Linux class--remember sweating that, Adrian?). His heart really is in the right place, but like a lot of young people, he doesn't realize that it's up to him to achieve full potential. All us makule guys can do is just try to tell him about our own experiences (good, bad or indifferent). :rolleyes:

I can remember times when I was young (once) and for everything I thought I wanted to do in life, I could find about 15 reasons why I couldn't do it. I think it's just a phase in life everybody has to go through before they realize they are the ones who really determine their own destiny. At some point, you say, "so what if there's x, y and z reasons why I shouldn't be able to do it. I going try anyway." That's when you become empowered and can take on things you never thought you could. And if you fail sometimes, that's OK too, because you learned something in the process. If you succeed, ho da good feeling! :D

Miulang

kimo55

January 4th, 2005, 08:12 AM

doesn't even drive a car right now and has to get to school on a bus. Sometimes he gets overwhelmed by stuff
Miulang

...when I was your age, I had to walk to school, a full mile in the hot humid sweltering unbearable lovely Hawaiian weather! lemme tellya, it was tough! getting sand in my sleepahs, having falling coconuts nearly miss me by 6 yards! The extremely tourturous temptation to jezz bodysurf all day in dat ocean a few feet away, while I trudge that looong mile to school. Ho, da ruff days we had.

Bus? dass fo nerds. Only time I saw the insides o' one o doze wus field trips to bishop museum.

808_m3

January 4th, 2005, 08:46 AM

Looking at this thread, there are certainly a lot of great suggestions in finding a job for someone who is attending college.

Although, I've found out that doing both often results on these two cases:

Being too dedicated with your job results in poor grades in school because you spend too much time thinking about work.
OR
The employer who hired you starts complaining about your work performance because you are busy with classes, midterms, or finals.

Believe me, I’ve experienced both scenarios before. If you want a part time job, I recommend checking out your college to see if there are any “student” jobs available on campus. In this case, your employer will be flexible with you in times of midterms and finals.

If money is a serious issue, I would look into taking out a student loan. After experiencing the two scenarios above, I decided to just quit the whole work deal. I took out a student loan to fund 4 semesters, 18 credits per semester, at UH and just burned it right through. That’s probably two years of no life :( and hard work, but I got it done and earned my degree.

Today, I’m doing pretty good here in the SF bay area. Got a good job, paid off all my student loans, got married, bought a nice house, cars, and all that American dream stuff.

1stwahine

January 4th, 2005, 08:51 AM

To come to Adrian's defense lido bit, he's a good guy. Lives at home, helps his Mom out (and his Mama raised him to be a thoughtful, helpful person, which is a plus)
Miulang

Yes, some mothers are lucky to have their children home to help out...

Adrian,you never know until you do it...at least try. Anything is better than wishing and hoping. I took a look at the other posts(before posting this), didn't realize you're still going to school! GOOD LUCK! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, GOD BLESS AMERICA!

adrian

January 4th, 2005, 09:11 AM

<snip>Sometimes he gets overwhelmed by stuff (like Linux class--remember sweating that, Adrian?). <snip>
Miulang
Don't remind me about linux.

I have to take another Linux class next quarter, and I don't think I'll have the same teacher.

Looking at this thread, there are certainly a lot of great suggestions in finding a job for someone who is attending college.

Although, I've found out that doing both often results on these two cases:

Being too dedicated with your job results in poor grades in school because you spend too much time thinking about work.
OR
The employer who hired you starts complaining about your work performance because you are busy with classes, midterms, or finals.

Believe me, I’ve experienced both scenarios before. If you want a part time job, I recommend checking out your college to see if there are any “student” jobs available on campus. In this case, your employer will be flexible with you in times of midterms and finals.

If money is a serious issue, I would look into taking out a student loan.<snip>
My Parents are paying for 2 college student's education, have one job apiece, my Mom takes care of a foster care home (we have one "alert client" who just needs help with his surgery wounds, and one who is bed ridden and needs 24hr care, and I have to help my Mom with that) plus occasionally goes to a child care center to help close down for the day (her old job) and that's when I have to be home taking care of the clients.

Instead of waiting 5+ years for them to pay for my education, I'm thinking of starting early and just put school on hold for a while, then go back.

808_m3

January 4th, 2005, 09:44 AM

Don't remind me about linux.

I have to take another Linux class next quarter, and I don't think I'll have the same teacher.

My Parents are paying for 2 college student's education, have one job apiece, my Mom takes care of a foster care home (we have one "alert client" who just needs help with his surgery wounds, and one who is bed ridden and needs 24hr care, and I have to help my Mom with that) plus occasionally goes to a child care center to help close down for the day (her old job) and that's when I have to be home taking care of the clients.

Instead of waiting 5+ years for them to pay for my education, I'm thinking of starting early and just put school on hold for a while, then go back.

Hate to say this, but my friends who decided to put school on "hold" for awhile don't go back. It's unfortunate that it happens because they get hung up on the earning a lot in the beginning. The regrets come later as they aren't able to qualify for much more challenging, and rewarding, oppurtunities that come with having a degree.

That cool, though, that you help your parents with the day-care deal. I think taking the student loan for yourself frees up their expenses. Taking out a loan and knowing that you have to pay it off later, is a very BIG incentive to get your degree ASAP.

adrian

April 5th, 2005, 09:10 PM

UBER BUMP!!

3 months w/out school helpped me get a lot of things done (finished a CNA class but didn't get the CNA certified because I'm too stubborn to drift away from computers; worked on my computer [reformatted twice, added a top exhaust fan and a side window], reorganized my room; repainted a section of the house; amongst other things) but its the last month that killed me (I barely got anything done) and I think my brain is melting from the learning withdrawal.

Now my Mom is going crazy and how she's not even thinking of me (I have yet to receive this month's bus pass (money) even though I asked for it twice a day and I have a eye doctor appointment tomorrow (which I might be cancelling if I don't get up early enough to walk) and how she thinks I'm independant while out of school.

1stwahine

April 6th, 2005, 02:05 PM

Welcome to the world. As for your mom going crazy...welcome to my world! :D

adrian

January 3rd, 2007, 08:38 PM

bump.

Now I'm 21, and I just need to make some extra dough. I'm so desperate, that I go for any job that has training. Gotta work weekends.

craigwatanabe

January 5th, 2007, 02:21 PM

...when I was your age, I had to walk to school, a full mile in the hot humid sweltering unbearable lovely Hawaiian weather! lemme tellya, it was tough! getting sand in my sleepahs, having falling coconuts nearly miss me by 6 yards! The extremely tourturous temptation to jezz bodysurf all day in dat ocean a few feet away, while I trudge that looong mile to school. Ho, da ruff days we had.

Bus? dass fo nerds. Only time I saw the insides o' one o doze wus field trips to bishop museum.

Oh yeah? When I was keiki time the road to school was so long and hard. Every year I tell my sob story the road get's longer, more rocky and somehow I went from Converse All Stars to broken slippahs and in dis version...aye no mo slippahs! Had to stop every ten feet to pull da Keawe thorns and glass splinters from da Oly beer bottles outta my feet.

And dat Koa paddle got thicker and thicker.

Man life was cruel wen I was keiki. Mo bettah now:)

DannyWilliams

January 5th, 2007, 08:30 PM

The job market is kwazy out dea theze daze.......

ALL I CAN SAAAY is

sell YOUR SELF and make urself the hottest thing that companies based on ur intrests would be dying to hire you on the spot!
Here in CALIFORNIA theres Job Fairs always happening but I dunno if there is such a thing on the island since I have been away since 1998. :(
Like everyone has mentioned is going to an employement agenecy and even if ya have to do to something that goes against what YOU really wanna do.
Keep and eye peeled for something better. In a nutshell, if the ladder to the top is not happening ya may have to start from the bottom up. Starting with the plan will pay off if you have the patience to do it.

Hope

January 5th, 2007, 10:16 PM

Whatever you do, DON'T QUIT SCHOOL (yes, I'm yellin', lol) or put it off. Your parents have worked hard to help you to become all that you can in life, at great sacrifice. Pay them back with respect, and give them the pride they deserve in having such a great son. :)

Go pound the pavement every chance you get, even if you're scooping ice cream on weekends to get your bus pass, or help out around the house. You will find something, as companies are always looking for part time and weekend help (busboy, perhaps?). Some would also be glad to have a young person who is striving to become something in his life.

I know what I am saying, kidddo, because I had no choice but to leave college at the end of my third year. I literally had no home, and was sleeping on floors, there was just nothing left. I never got the chance to go back, either. The difference in my life would have been tremendous! (I've since done well for myself, considering the student loans I had to pay back).

Take it from us "older" folks, and keep on goin', you'll NEVER regret that you did, I promise. :D

Beachboy

January 6th, 2007, 07:18 AM

bump.

Now I'm 21, and I just need to make some extra dough. I'm so desperate, that I go for any job that has training. Gotta work weekends.

To me anybody who helps there parents, are worth their weight in Gold. If you are still looking for work,...perhaps? Do you like the beach at all? How far away are you from Waikiki? If your answers are , yes, yes, and near by PM me and perhaps I can help put you in the right direction for some gainful employment!

AbsolutChaos

January 6th, 2007, 09:48 AM

Instead of waiting 5+ years for them to pay for my education, I'm thinking of starting early and just put school on hold for a while, then go back.

To echo what everybody else said, DON'T put school on hold. When I was in college (I graduated five years ago, so I know things haven't changed that much), those of my friends who opted to put college on hold have yet to go back.

:(

Miulang

January 6th, 2007, 12:30 PM

To echo what everybody else said, DON'T put school on hold. When I was in college (I graduated five years ago, so I know things haven't changed that much), those of my friends who opted to put college on hold have yet to go back.

:(

Adrian already has graduated from Heald (last year). So he needs to either find a second job or a better paying job than the one he has now in order to support the care and feeding of his new car.:D

Miulang

craigwatanabe

January 7th, 2007, 12:27 AM

well there's always Radio Shack...at least with Adrian there you'll know you'll get the right answer.

I hear they give part timers there benefits and discounts! Woo hoo!!

GeckoGeek

January 7th, 2007, 08:37 AM

It might be OK employment, but I don't think Radio Shack is what it used to be. If the head shed in Texas doesn't change things, I think it will slowly fade away.

adrian

January 7th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Whatever you do, DON'T QUIT SCHOOL
I stay finished w/ school!

To me anybody who helps there parents, are worth their weight in Gold. If you are still looking for work,...perhaps? Do you like the beach at all?
So far, I go to the beach to take pictures (beach pics, not those kinds pervs). I no can swim for my life (even though fat floats), and probably the nearest beach is Ewa Beach.

So he needs to either find a second job or a better paying job than the one he has now in order to support the care and feeding of his new car.:D

Maybe a second job to atleast bring my current job to a new location, and get a good customer base then hire someone else and I can leave.

And yes, this will pay for my car payments (atleast it won't go towards that much gas and antifreeze). Oh, and I forgot my laptop credit card payments. Ho, I'm in trouble now.

well there's always Radio Shack...at least with Adrian there you'll know you'll get the right answer.

I'm not a good salesperson, but I guess its something they'll (hopefully) give training for.

adrian

January 7th, 2007, 08:13 PM

well there's always Radio Shack...at least with Adrian there you'll know you'll get the right answer.
I visited their website tonight, and either their careers page is broken, or there's something wrong with the database.

SouthKona

January 8th, 2007, 02:05 PM

Adrian already has graduated from Heald (last year).
I thought part of Heald's services was job placement after graduation?

adrian

January 8th, 2007, 06:41 PM

I thought part of Heald's services was job placement after graduation?
They don't do jack. They expect you to "help" them find you a job, which is basically browsing help wanted ads that is available online. They just submit your resume to your selected job through Heald.

SouthKona

January 8th, 2007, 07:27 PM

They don't do jack. They expect you to "help" them find you a job, which is basically browsing help wanted ads that is available online. They just submit your resume to your selected job through Heald.
That does not sound like much help at all. You could get that help from a relative or girlfriend! I think it's been mentioned by others before - you should check with some of the employment agencies. They often have temp jobs that do not make it into newspaper ads (oftentime, employers don't want to take on all the "benefits" hassle needed for just a temp position, so they hire thru temp agencies).

tutusue

January 8th, 2007, 07:42 PM

I 2nd the temp agency idea. During my daughter's senior year in college she still had no idea what she wanted to be when she grew up! She saw an internship for an ad agency posted on one of the school's bulletin boards. She applied and was selected. Fresh out of college she still didn't know what she wanted to do so, to earn money, she signed up with a temp agency. Because of her ad agency internship, they placed her in an ad agency as the temporary receptionist. She ended up full time with that particular company learning other aspects of the business. She is now a vice president and director of marketing at an ad agency in SoCal. And, no...I'm not proud of her...no way...huh uh! :D

craigwatanabe

January 10th, 2007, 12:10 PM

I actually got great results from a job placement company. They got me more interviews and eventually a decent job when I got out of the service than circling ads in the classifieds.

Miulang

January 10th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Try Akamai Services (http://www.akamaiservices.com/seekers.php). Their website says they're looking for hardware techs.

Miulang

adrian

January 10th, 2007, 06:04 PM

Miulang

January 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM

I had an interview at Circuit City today, and even though they don't need any more computer technicians (aka FireDog people) they scheduled me for another interview as a computer salesperson. I think my lack of skills in sales hurt me, because they're expecting me to handle 100 customers a day, while I don't think I interacted with 100 customers at my current job. However, that's how my cousin got in and now she's part of that firedog service.

Wish me luck with CC and hopefully GeekSquad!
Adrian, you already said you don't like sales, so why are you looking at sales positions??? Go register at Akamai for a hardware tech position! It may only be a contract position, but at least it would be doing something you like doing (and are good at!).

Miulang

1stwahine

January 10th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Adrian, you already said you don't like sales, so why are you looking at sales positions??? Go register at Akamai for a hardware tech position! It may only be a contract position, but at least it would be doing something you like doing (and are good at!).

Miulang

Tita Miulang, ahhhhh....neba mind.

Carry on.

Lynn

craigwatanabe

January 11th, 2007, 12:54 AM

I had an interview at Circuit City today, and even though they don't need any more computer technicians (aka FireDog people) they scheduled me for another interview as a computer salesperson. I think my lack of skills in sales hurt me, because they're expecting me to handle 100 customers a day, while I don't think I interacted with 100 customers at my current job. However, that's how my cousin got in and now she's part of that firedog service.

Wish me luck with CC and hopefully GeekSquad!

Boy I'd love to work at Circuit City (too bad none here in Hilo). Geez only 100 customers a day? At Home Depot I think I go thru that many before lunch!

I hear they give good discounts there. I wonder how their managers are.

adrian

July 21st, 2007, 10:14 PM

2 years later, and I'm still looking for a job (I didn't want to make a new thread just to be merged into this one).

I'm kind of desperate, but also don't want to be stuck in a job I'll hate for the long term.

SusieMisajon

July 21st, 2007, 11:32 PM

adrian

July 22nd, 2007, 12:00 AM

Being in a job you hate builds character.
But if I have a job I hate, then I'll begin to do my work poorly, and if I interact with customers, then that'll reflect to the customer how the place operates.

ploal5333

July 22nd, 2007, 12:07 AM

Adrian, have you considered a civil service position? One way you may be able to get your foot in the door is to apply for the Homeland Security airport screeners position. I believe they accept applications about 4X a year. Once you establish permanent status you may be able to apply for other jobs in which you may be interested. I'm not 100% sure but you could certainly find out.

Here's the link: http://www.usajobs.gov/firsttimers.asp

SusieMisajon

July 22nd, 2007, 01:12 AM

But if I have a job I hate, then I'll begin to do my work poorly, and if I interact with customers, then that'll reflect to the customer how the place operates.
That's where the character-building comes in.

anapuni808

July 22nd, 2007, 01:20 AM

Adrian, if you go to the state unemployment office = they will help you look for a new job. Even though you don't qualify for unemployment (you quit your job), you can still get assistance. They have a jobs database and counselors that can help you. Also, like someone suggested many posts ago - sign up with a temp agency. Its work, brings in a paycheck & you just might find something you like. If its jobs you DON'T like - they are just temporary & you can leave whenever you like.

tutusue

July 22nd, 2007, 08:41 AM

But if I have a job I hate, then I'll begin to do my work poorly, and if I interact with customers, then that'll reflect to the customer how the place operates.
...only if you let that happen. All of that is within your control.

SusieMisajon

July 22nd, 2007, 11:09 AM

But if I have a job I hate, then I'll begin to do my work poorly, and if I interact with customers, then that'll reflect to the customer how the place operates.
That's called 'blackmail'.

Karen

July 22nd, 2007, 11:24 AM

Adrian, how about advertising within the area of the island you live, go to school and feel good about being in, that you will go to peoples' homes and set up their computers and do whatever you are good at, for them? be sure you are pricing yourself noticeably below what others on island charge, and maybe this will take off for you.

People especially with their first computer can feel itimidated by it all and would love to just have the thing all installed, online and working smoothly very soon after they get a new one in the door. Both of our daughters have done all the puter stuff for me in the last ten years, one is married and living not far away, but she may be moving to the mainland, and the other daughter should be moved to mainland by Dec. I'm soon to be one of those people that has to learn a ton about these things and if faced with a sudden problem I'll probably be desperate enough to pay someone like you to just fix it all and make the problem go away, soon after Dec.

adrian

July 22nd, 2007, 05:35 PM

Miulang

July 22nd, 2007, 06:31 PM

If you want to leverage your experience with repairing computers, try applying at this place (http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=JRGCM&ff=21&APath=2.21.0.0.0&job_did=J8B0WL72NYK7SMBVLPP). You now have almost 2 years of practical, hands on experience, and that's what this company is looking for. It sounds like you'd be an independent contractor, though, and you need to pass a security screening which means you'd proibably be on contract for the military.

Here's another contract CSR (http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=JRGCM&ff=21&APath=2.21.0.0.0&job_did=J3G45V72HKP40N9NSJ6)position in Honolulu.

Check out this CSR analyst position at Aloha Airlines (http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/ApplyOnline/ExternalLinkApply.aspx?useframes=True&strcrit=&aourl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.alohaairlines.com%2f&companyname=Aloha+Airlines&Job_DID=J3H7VD66YQ4DP6PJKF7). This one's a full time position with bennies!Position: Customer Support Technician
Status: Full Time
Job Post Date: June 25, 2007
Job Location: Honolulu

-------------------------------

Primary Function:

Responsible for responding to and resolving all issues reported by customers through our support help desk. These include, but are not limited to; requests for service, FAQ’s, product information, troubleshooting, product installation, problem analysis and testing. Must possess a good problem solving discipline, analytical skills and will also be responsible for providing input to software developers for software maintenance, discrepancy repair and enhancements for hardware and software upgrades. Work is performed in an office setting and some travel may be required.

Qualifications:

Ability to communicate technical information to individuals of varying technical competencies; excellent customer relation skills; excellent knowledge of Microsoft Operating System which includes Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, Excel, Project and Visio etc.; ability to analyze technical requests and to solve requests; ability to communicate effectively, both orally and written; ability to provide technical guidance and instruction on the use of computer technologies; excellent skills I planning, organizing and adapting within a multi-tasking environment; ability to work under pressure and meet deadlines; prior experience in a help desk and support environment preferred; experience in administration and support of MS-Windows, network, servers, and PC’s; experience managing and configuring MS-Windows Server 2000/2003, MS-Windows 2000/XP, Active Directory, and installing and configuring desktop applications, good understanding of networks (LAN and WAN) and TCP/IP.

When you click on the link, go to the bottom part of the splash page and look for the "about aloha" menu item in the blue banner. On the next page, choose "employment listing". The position is called "Customer Support Technician" and was posted on June 25.

Good luck!

Miulang

SusieMisajon

July 22nd, 2007, 07:04 PM

That's what I do when I see customers from my current computer job. They tell me "eh, try fix my computer on your own time, not for your work."

Plus, right now I need money, and I don't have the time to redo my business.
lazylazylazy

Palolo Joe

July 22nd, 2007, 07:57 PM

lazylazylazy

Yeah, that's what he needs, you calling him names.

GeckoGeek

July 22nd, 2007, 08:09 PM

Plus, right now I need money, and I don't have the time to redo my business.

It's been said your hardest job will be finding your next job. I believe it. Job hunting is a pain. But there's no short cuts - you gotta do it.

adrian

July 22nd, 2007, 09:36 PM

It's been said your hardest job will be finding your next job. I believe it. Job hunting is a pain. But there's no short cuts - you gotta do it.
Yep. I think I'll open my own business helping people finding jobs. LOL

craigwatanabe

July 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM

Here's one for ya: Write a grant to get federal monies to accept older personal computers that can be repaired and donated to organizations to help those in need. The grant would cover business expenses and ultimately your salary.

It seems plenty of people here on the Big Island have found the way to get federal monies and pay for their own salaries doing what they love.

SusieMisajon

July 25th, 2007, 07:03 AM

Who knows? It might make a man out of the boy?

Leo Lakio

July 25th, 2007, 07:07 AM

The "Polie" Academy?

Is that part of this? (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/rpo/rpo_home.html)
I love that show!

(Just teasing...you can edit posts for a while, but thread titles are a different beast.)

SusieMisajon

July 25th, 2007, 07:09 AM

adrian

July 25th, 2007, 10:52 AM

I think that Adrian should apply to the Police Academy
When I was in the Police Explorers, we did part of the police training, and I didn't pass some of the tests.

adrian

July 26th, 2007, 08:59 PM

does anyone on the mainland want to help me find a job in their area?

SusieMisajon

July 26th, 2007, 11:47 PM

does anyone on the mainland want to help me find a job in their area?
Running away won't do it, Adrian. You still have to face the same mirror each morning.

Leo Lakio

July 27th, 2007, 07:27 AM

does anyone on the mainland want to help me find a job in their area?Three answers:
1) Me first (meaning, I'm in the middle of my own job search at present.)
2) In the Puget Sound area, there's a GLUT of workers with training in various aspects of computer service. There are jobs, but the pay sucks - and this is an expensive place to live (yeah - like O`ahu isn't?), though there are a lot of ways to stay connected to the Islands here. But...
3) Don't give up on home. Staying connected is one thing, but it's not the same as being in the Islands. And if Susie's right about "running away," then she's right about it not being the answer.

Miulang

July 27th, 2007, 08:42 AM

Running away won't do it, Adrian. You still have to face the same mirror each morning.
But leaving home also gives one more of an appreciation of what you've left behind, too, and it definitely forces you to grow up and become independent.

There are lots of techie jobs in the Puget Sound area, Adrian, and I can help you find some, but like Susie and Leo said, don't come up here thinking you're going to get rid of your problems, because you won't, and you won't have your family close by to bail you out or support you emotionally, either.

I don't understand why you can't find a decent job in Honolulu. The unemployment rate is so low there (lowest in the country), there should be all kinds of jobs that are going begging for help. Where have you been looking? Did you apply for that Aloha Airlines job I found? What do you really want to do next?

Have you talked to your bro in Michigan? Maybe he could help you find a job there. If you moved to be where your brother is in school, at least you'd have a relative around to help you out.

A good online place to look for jobs is www.dice.com. They don't have any jobs in Hawai'i, but they do list technical jobs everywhere else in the country. The other one is www.careerbuilders.com. Just pick a city and type in a key word.
Miulang

SusieMisajon

July 27th, 2007, 08:52 AM

And don't forget, Adrian, you'll need $$$ to start with.

Pua'i Mana'o

July 27th, 2007, 09:13 AM

sinjin

July 27th, 2007, 12:25 PM

MatildaRose

July 27th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Adrian, some of the best fertilizer for growing up includes a demographic solution. Get away, be completely self-sufficient. Get to know new surroundings and cultural ways of doing things. Get to know yourself. Meet your soul mate (or at least one of them, heh).

How many family stories includes the lore of that young man who got on a boat/train/plane and headed for foreign lands, to meet his destiny? Head towards yours, dude.

You are such a smart young man. The world is your oyster!

This is such wonderful advice, PM; in fact, this whole thread has brought more than one whimsical smile to my face. For what it's worth, I was just a little older than Adrian when I moved to Hawaii 34 years ago and landed my first job in advertising. It was a scary, exciting choice to leave my comfort zone(s). If I may offer a little bit of insight to Adrian, too: Adrian, I think you will discover that most of the time, the hardest thing about change is making the decision to change.

Palolo Joe

July 27th, 2007, 12:53 PM

Adrian, don't believe the hype.

It's not necessary to move away to the mainland in order to "find yourself."

You just haven't found a career yet. Keep trying.

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 01:16 PM

You just haven't found a career yet. Keep trying.
I really love computers, and pursued that love after high school. Probably my lack of experience hurts me, but I gotta start somewhere. Maybe I'm stubborn to stick to computers when I'm in a desperate situation like this, but that's all I know.

Miulang

July 27th, 2007, 01:27 PM

I really love computers, and pursued that love after high school. Probably my lack of experience hurts me, but I gotta start somewhere. Maybe I'm stubborn to stick to computers when I'm in a desperate situation like this, but that's all I know.
Adrian, you have almost 2 years of hands on, practical experience, plus you did that gig at HawTel on the Help Desk. You have more experience now than you did 2 years ago. There will always be jobs for which you will be underqualified, but if you don't even try to apply for anything more than WM cart retriever or sales clerk, you'll never get to do what you really want to do! Go apply for that Aloha Airlines job, pronto, before it's filled. My guess is you'd have a pretty good shot at at least getting an interview. You know your stuff; you just have to let some hiring managers know that too.

Miulang

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 01:37 PM

Miulang

July 27th, 2007, 01:49 PM

I don't know if I done this here, but here's my resume. (http://pyehac.com/resume/webresumeonline.pdf) If you see anything I need to change, please tell me.

(the email address in there is in the process of being made, so it'll be a few more minutes before it's active)

Your resume is impressive. How much experience with networks have you had? Any with web-based technologies? You've also had to coach/train some of your customers, so I would add customer training as one of the skills you have. What you have is a good description of what you've done in the past, now what kind of job are you looking for? You need to state that as part of your objective.

Other than that, it's well done. Good luck and get going with those job applications! One other suggestion: when you're looking at job descriptions, just skim over the part about what you'd be doing in the job and concentrate on the "requirements" part of the description. If the company website allows you, always write a cover letter and answer how you meet or exceed the "requirements" for the job. Do it in bullet points to make it easier for the hiring manager to read. If you know in advance what the name of the company is (you won't in most craigslist ads), do an online search of the company and learn something about it, so when you have your interview you will know to ask some questions about the company and what it does (hiring managers like that you already know about the company when you interview with them).

Miulang

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 03:09 PM

here's an updated resume (http://pyehac.com/resume/webresumeonlinebullet2.pdf) I revised thanks to another forum.

Miulang

July 27th, 2007, 03:30 PM

here's an updated resume (http://pyehac.com/resume/webresumeonlinebullet2.pdf) I revised thanks to another forum.
Have you had any experience with configuring TCP/IP? LAN/WAN? Wi-fi? IIS? Know anything about computer security?

You should also mention that your experience with HawTel was during its startup period so that the hiring managers know that you had to work under extreme pressure and yet were able to get the job done.

Start using the new resume now and you can tweak it as you go along. If there are certain jobs that have slightly different requirements than this basic resume, it's OK to modify your resume so that it better fits the job. Just don't lie about any skills you don't have because it will come back and bite you in the okole. It's also OK not to be a perfect fit for a job. If they say a certain requirement is "preferred", that means they will still consider you. Anything that's not listed as "preferred" means that they want you to have at least those minimum qualifications.

Don't list your references (props that you didn't say "references available on request" because they will always ask you for those anyway if you're a serious candidate), but make sure you have updated contact information for your references (and always ask permission to use them as references).

Good luck!

Miulang

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 04:05 PM

Have you had any experience with configuring TCP/IP? LAN/WAN? Wi-fi? IIS? Know anything about computer security?

All that stuff was in school only.

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 04:07 PM

You should also mention that your experience with HawTel was during its startup period so that the hiring managers know that you had to work under extreme pressure and yet were able to get the job done.

So, I should put "worked at Hawaiian Telcom during its startup period"? I don't want to mention I was part of the "problem" that the media reported.

SusieMisajon

July 27th, 2007, 04:37 PM

Are there such things as 'professional resumé writers' in Hawaii? Ones that, for a fee, will sit you down and write ou something that looks good and outlines your talents?

acousticlady

July 27th, 2007, 05:05 PM

All that stuff was in school only.

Do you play up the courses you took? How about any projects you worked on? A lot of the time employers will look at school projects as experience.

Leo Lakio

July 27th, 2007, 06:24 PM

Are there such things as 'professional resumé writers' in Hawaii? Ones that, for a fee, will sit you down and write ou something that looks good and outlines your talents?I'm sure there are - but in many places, you can get that service for free; unemployment offices have been shifting over to help-find-employment offices in many states.

SusieMisajon

July 27th, 2007, 09:51 PM

What about Adrian joining the military?

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 10:19 PM

What about Adrian joining the military?
I could barely survive parts of the Police training when I was in the Law Enforcement Explorers Program. I'll die in military training.

1stwahine

July 27th, 2007, 10:26 PM

K-den...you got ukapila talents foa computers. You keep asking for ADVICE! Get going and DO something instead of sitting on your arse and dreaming.:rolleyes: Everyday is the same old thing from you...complaining about dis and dat. Get a grip. Lucky you have an Ohana, a Hale and food every day. You have skills, brains and youth.

Use it!

Don't complain.

Good luck.

Auntie Lynn

SusieMisajon

July 27th, 2007, 10:42 PM

I could barely survive parts of the Police training when I was in the Law Enforcement Explorers Program. I'll die in military training.
Pray that the draft isn't reinstated.

You never know, Adrian, it might force you to really take a good look at yourself. The military had always neen the time-honoured way for boys to grow into men. And these days, they are desperate for good people...you might even be able to negociate a job with them where your skills could be used, and honed.

My own dad was drafted, and then went on to Officer Candidate School. He made a career out of it, and then retired to use those skills in private industry.

adrian

July 27th, 2007, 10:59 PM

Pray that the draft isn't reinstated.

You never know, Adrian, it might force you to really take a good look at yourself. The military had always neen the time-honoured way for boys to grow into men. And these days, they are desperate for good people...you might even be able to negociate a job with them where your skills could be used, and honed.

My own dad was drafted, and then went on to Officer Candidate School. He made a career out of it, and then retired to use those skills in private industry.
That's why I respect our military men and women who are fighting for our country (even though I don't believe in our president) - them, and nurses and doctors. Since I don't have the 'guts' to go into those professions, I respect them enough to let them do their job.

GeckoGeek

July 28th, 2007, 12:51 AM

here's an updated resume (http://pyehac.com/resume/webresumeonlinebullet2.pdf) I revised thanks to another forum.

That link didn't work for me. But I went to the top of your site and found a copy. Not bad. A couple of things I'd change. "replaced nonworking hardware with new hardware" and "repaired and reinstalled damaged software" doesn't strike me as "right". You do want to say you took care of hardware and software problems, but the way these are phrased doesn't seem right. I think it's diminishes the skill. "Board swapper" is hardly a term of endearment. "Troubleshoot and repair hardware and software" would be what I'd use.

Any other achievements, or awards? You might want to make some mention of how closely supervised you were. Employers look for people that don't have to be constantly watched. Repairing things at customer's home suggests you can you work unsupervised, but you might want say more about it.

As far as moving away, there's pros and cons. I'm not sure what your financial situation is, but study that angle carefully. If you move away, you'll need enough to move and live while you look for a job. My hunch is that with your new car this isn't a good time to do that. Given Hawaii's low unemployment, I'd think you'd be able to find something.

Miulang

July 28th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Adrian:
Sometimes working with an employment agency works, too. They don't charge you anything for their help and they very often know about jobs that you would never find. Most jobs are temporary (anywhere from 3 months on up), but sometimes they do have permanent or temp-to-perm jobs. They will also evaluate your resume for you and redo it so it works to at least get you interviews (they do this for a living, and how well they do it determines how much they get paid).

I just PM'd you with another tech support position. It's a temporary to permanent position. This one partially pays for parking, which would be a good thing.

You left all your healthcare experience off this resume, which is good if you want a technical job. But maybe you should do another resume with your healthcare experience on it, in case you decide you want to get out of the techie stuff for awhile? I know you've got the training and you certainly have the experience, with helping your Mom and all...

Miulang

Peshkwe

July 28th, 2007, 10:26 AM

With your experience, have you sent your resume into any of the ISPs in the area? You might end up starting in tech support or some grunt type position but at least it's in your field and after a few years you can go someplace else if there's no advancement or pay raises.

If anything you can learn what else you may need to increase your skill levels by watching and learning from your co workers.

GeckoGeek

July 28th, 2007, 11:09 AM

This one partially pays for parking, which would be a good thing.

Partially? All the jobs I've had that require me to use my car pay my parking in full. That includes all the crummy entry-level stuff. If they don't expect you to use your car for work, then that's a nice benny.

I'd send the resume out to any company of sufficient size to have a help desk. It's not just ISPs that need help.

Peshkwe

July 28th, 2007, 11:15 AM

Hospitals need techy types too.

adrian

July 28th, 2007, 01:23 PM

I just came back from my own job hunt by going to 4 computer repair places (compared to us, our place looks small, but very nice :D ) and I gave my resume to 2 of them - the rest aren't hiring ATM.

You left all your healthcare experience off this resume, which is good if you want a technical job. But maybe you should do another resume with your healthcare experience on it, in case you decide you want to get out of the techie stuff for awhile? I know you've got the training and you certainly have the experience, with helping your Mom and all...

Like I stated earlier, I have the utmost respect for healthcare workers. I know what they go through and I don't see myself going through it - even if its for pay.

With your experience, have you sent your resume into any of the ISPs in the area? You might end up starting in tech support or some grunt type position but at least it's in your field and after a few years you can go someplace else if there's no advancement or pay raises.

With the way its been going, I might do that. Hopefully the actual company will support us more instead of like how we were treated back when Hawaiian Telcom was starting up. I just fear that if I want to go that route, then my only choice is to work for Hawaiian Telcom, as Oceanic's HQ isn't bus accessible.

Hospitals need techy types too.
I went to Queen's and Kapiolani's websites, and so far they don't have any openings for computer-related positions unless I have a few years of experience repairing hospital-type equipment (plus, I thought hospitals contracted their tech support to outside companies?)

Leo Lakio

July 28th, 2007, 07:37 PM

(plus, I thought hospitals contracted their tech support to outside companies?)So be sure you are contacting those companies, too.

adrian

July 28th, 2007, 08:11 PM

So be sure you are contacting those companies, too.
But the hard part is finding those companies.

The way I got into Hawaiian Telcom, was from a flyer that was passed out at school.

Miulang

July 28th, 2007, 08:20 PM

But the hard part is finding those companies.

The way I got into Hawaiian Telcom, was from a flyer that was passed out at school.

Why don't you take a little excursion over to Heald and check out their job boards over there? Don't they have a place near the counseling office that has information from different companies? Heald's website says they offer job placement for life. For all the money your family spent, you should get your money's worth by getting over to the counseling office and get some help!

You could also let your fingers do some more work...Google: "hospitals in Honolulu". Then look for the page with the listing of ALL Hawai'i hospitals (about the 4th entry down). Then when you get the list, go back and type in, for ex. "Kaiser Permanente employment" and it will take you to their career page. Google: "Employment Agencies in Honolulu" and see what turns up. Go to each company's website and you can tell what kinds of positions they recruit for.

C'mon, Adrian, start using your brain! Researching for things on the internet is a very useful skill! Finding another job IS a job in itself, and Google is your friend.

Miulang

cynsaligia

July 28th, 2007, 08:31 PM

I went to Queen's and Kapiolani's websites, and so far they don't have any openings for computer-related positions unless I have a few years of experience repairing hospital-type equipment (plus, I thought hospitals contracted their tech support to outside companies?)

nope. i once dated a former network admin from KMC and am friends with a system admin at KAI.

my most favorite people where i work are in our IT dept, and they work really hard and long hours. i will warn you that hospitals, even those with endowments, are running very tight ships nowadays and are concentrating hiring for positions directly related to patient care.

i should also say that one of the IT guys i work with also works weekends at CompUSA.

GeckoGeek

July 28th, 2007, 10:39 PM

Hawaii Business Magazine comes out with a issue of lists. Get your hands on a copy and go down the top 100 companies in Hawaii. All of them that size probably have an internal help desk.

That's the way our sales people find companies to sell to.

Konaguy

July 28th, 2007, 11:20 PM

Adrian, in a way our lives are about the same. Except I'm about 12 years older than you. The major difference is you have a college degree, I don't. I went to college for a year and dropped out back in 1995. I hear the song and dance from my parents that I need to take charge or my life,there is this window of opportunity regularly.

My dad especially has been trying to get me to apply for TSA. I have 9 years of x-ray background from when I worked for USDA-APHIS.At this point I really
don't know what to do with my life (and I'm 31).I really don't want to work for TSA for a lot of reasons. Nor do I want to work in management in retail.

I'm not trying to feel sorry for myself for the situation I'm in. I'm just trying to give some perspective that you are not the only one going through this.

SusieMisajon

July 29th, 2007, 12:34 AM

I suggest that the both of you travel the world, with packpacks.

anapuni808

July 29th, 2007, 11:46 AM

Adrian, go to the state employment office on Punchbowl Street. They have job listings, will work with you on a resume and help you find the right job. and it's all free.

There are jobs out there and many of them are in hi-tech fields. All you have to do is go down to their office and ask for some help.

What have you got to lose???

adrian

July 29th, 2007, 02:22 PM

SusieMisajon

July 29th, 2007, 03:37 PM

I'll check it out on Tuesday.

What's wrong with Monday?

Palolo Joe

July 29th, 2007, 03:37 PM

What's wrong with Monday?

Why don't you lay off and let the guy live his own life?

tutusue

July 29th, 2007, 04:34 PM

What's wrong with Monday?
Susie...Adrian's been given so advice of late that he could've easily filled his Monday already. Just a thought...:rolleyes:

adrian

July 29th, 2007, 06:47 PM

What's wrong with Monday?
I work on monday.

(yay. I made the 100th post in this thread!)

Leo Lakio

July 29th, 2007, 07:43 PM

I work on monday.Hope that works out for you - I know that they provide those types of services here, but I didn't know if Hawai`i offered something similar. Thanks for the confirmation, Fran, and I hope you get some inspiration, Adrian.

anapuni808

July 29th, 2007, 10:39 PM

Why don't you lay off and let the guy live his own life?

Adrian, you know - PJ is right! We all need to quit giving our versions of what your life should be like and let you make your own decisions.

Best of luck to you in finding a new job!!! :)

cynsaligia

July 29th, 2007, 11:13 PM

when your spirits are down and you're looking for a job, it's really not helpful to hear people make snippy, critical remarks. i congratulate you on being to handle such comments with more grace than i would have, and i'm roughly ten years older than you. by even posting here for suggestions, you're doing better than a lot of people i know would have in your place.

from what i've seen here, adrian, you might be only 19 but you likely have a better head on your shoulders than many of us here did when we were your age. the other thing i might note is that you probably are a more valueable employee in different fields than you think you are.

maybe some career counselling might help?

fran pointed out that the state employment office can be helpful. i recently found out that you don't have to go to punchbowl street; you can also go to any of the oahu works links sites (http://www.oahuworklinks.com/owl/jsp/index.jsp)which are located in different places on the island.

additionally, if you're interested, you can also check out the following job listings bank (http://www.jobbankinfo.org/), which i found on via the old version of ehawaii.gov. i'd used it before, and even though ultimately i didn't find a job from those listings, it's still a useful resource. just by reading what's available there, i realized how my skills could be parlayed into jobs/industries i would not have previously considered. plus you can easily see what jobs are available outside of hawaii, too, if you're curious.

adrian

July 30th, 2007, 09:49 AM

Adrian, you know - PJ is right! We all need to quit giving our versions of what your life should be like and let you make your own decisions.

Best of luck to you in finding a new job!!! :)
<snob>yeah, leave me alone!</snob>

Miulang

July 30th, 2007, 10:06 AM

There's one other State resource that might be helpful to you, Adrian. I can't remember if I already told you about Career Kokua (http://www.careerkokua.org/js/jsa/), but that website has ukapila information about different occupations and other useful information like interviewing skills, writing resumes and cover letters, etc. Take some time and wander around this website.

Up here, the equivalent to Career Kokua (Worksource) also has onsite classes which are required by those who are collecting unemployment, but anyone can sit in them for free. Don't know if Hawai'i has something similar. Sometimes it's useful to actually sit in a class with others in your situation. Kind of reassuring to know that you're not the only one going through this, and it's a way of networking with people, too. If you go to the State Employment Agency, you might want to ask if they have onsite classes that you could take on searching for your next job.

Miulang

adrian

July 30th, 2007, 12:08 PM

K-den...you got ukapila talents foa computers. You keep asking for ADVICE! Get going and DO something instead of sitting on your arse and dreaming.:rolleyes:
auntie: there's choke oda computer people out there that has more skills than me. I get one disadvantage because of my experience. Ever'one stay asking fo one BS degree or somet'ing lil dat - I only get one AS.

And I stay looking everywhere dat stay has open positions I like do for a while. If no more soon, den I go do somet'ing I no like, but den I scared I go hate it like da walmart job, den quit. By dat time, I gong have uka pila bills again, den I go stay back in square one.

(whoa, where'd I get that?)

adrian

July 30th, 2007, 12:43 PM

Okay, whoever posted the hirenethawaii.com link, I thank you, because I applied for 2 computer tech jobs there.

adrian

July 30th, 2007, 01:53 PM

Aye soos. I don't have time to go punchbowl tomorrow. I have two computer services to go to - one in waianae, and another in kailua. Sacrifices...

craigwatanabe

August 5th, 2007, 03:52 PM

Aye soos. I don't have time to go punchbowl tomorrow. I have two computer services to go to - one in waianae, and another in kailua. Sacrifices...

Don't forget the flowers:D

adrian

August 5th, 2007, 04:10 PM

Aye soos. I don't have time to go punchbowl tomorrow. I have two computer services to go to - one in waianae, and another in kailua. Sacrifices...
Shoot. I knew I had to go downtown, but forget for what.

That's it. The gloves are removed, and I'll make all efforts to go there this Tuesday (or Monday afternoon if they're open late).

DKP

August 6th, 2007, 10:18 PM

What certifications do you have? If you don't have many, you won't have many offers (almost everyone has an A+ and Cisco nowadays). Any of the higher priced ones and you'll get more variety and pay. You do have have good experience though, and an A.S. is still good.

I forgot the title of the position, but there is ongoing hiring as a tech for Navy as a civilian. It's a student style temp job that pays around $12/hr. (I saw this about 2 yrs. ago so I may be way off) but once you're in, you may be asked to stay on board...if not...it's still great experience to add to your resume.

I 'think' it was through this site:
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/

Try to get any state/c&c job. Once you're in, try to line yourself up for future open tech jobs. I do see them pop up once in a while.

Oh yeah:
http://www.honolulupd.org/hrd/careers.htm

A while back, Pitney Bowes (www.pitneybowes.com) was hiring techs for their mailing systems (pretty cool equipment). W/your exp. you could probably land it if they are still hiring. I think I was offered
$17/hr. starting (good benefits). Full time only, though.

OR

You could get a G.E. license and do tech. house calls (you can make good money just installing RAM if you get the right clientele...aka well off old folk...don't rip them off...but you are helping them out...and you can make up for it by giving them basic lessons in commonly used software as a freebie). Advertise your services via U.H. bulletin boards, word of mouth, friends, craigslist, etc. Bottom line, you gotta network (human) for this type of marketing (free or cheap). I have no clue if this is a problem for you or not.

If that doesn't bring in enough dough, supplement your income as either a waiter (in an upper-middle class priced restaurant...ex. Alan Wong's in Macy's Ala Moana...you can bank there, don't know if they are hiring but you get the idea). Or be an assistant in the building industry. No exp. necessary for the building trade, most require a driver's license...but you will sweat. The pay, however, can be great (and many times, in cash). It all depends what company you work for.

If money is a major problem, try to get in a trade union. Take their apprenticeship program (ex. Plumbers and Pipefitters Union or Carpenters). Finish the training, fullfill your obligations (9 yrs. I beleive), while making some serious bank, then get your B.S. in C.S. :)

By-by bills...and you'll be cut up like Hans :eek:

Only suggestions, now, not trying to dictate here :)

adrian

August 7th, 2007, 12:24 PM

You could get a G.E. license and do tech. house calls (you can make good money just installing RAM if you get the right clientele...aka well off old folk...don't rip them off...but you are helping them out...and you can make up for it by giving them basic lessons in commonly used software as a freebie). Advertise your services via U.H. bulletin boards, word of mouth, friends, craigslist, etc. Bottom line, you gotta network (human) for this type of marketing (free or cheap). I have no clue if this is a problem for you or not.

Unless I can stop the creditors from taking my car, then I'll be the "computer tech who takes the bus!"

I applied for a position as a Courtesy Clerk at Daiei. I'd go back to walmart if it didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth (I haven't stepped into a walmart for almost a month) as well as gave my resume to choke cell phone places. Too bad Zippys' online job application isn't working, or else I'd go there.

(and I know they're just "small jobs", but I submitted an application/resume to just about every computer place accessible via TheBus) [okay, not every computer place - SuperGeeks will probably have my head for working for someone who uses the word 'geeks'.

DKP

August 7th, 2007, 06:47 PM

I've worked for Zippy's before (Kapahulu Napoleon's). Depending where you work (cool managers, co-workers, etc.), it can be great. You should get raises frequently, and the benefits are good. They may even be able to help you with tuition if you decide to pursue a bachelor's.
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Just a small tip that always landed me a job EVERY time. In addition to what you did with your resume/application, try to find out the contact info. for the person who would be your manager if you got the job. Either email them a cover letter style explanation of what you want to do in life, how this job will help you get there, and what you would do for them in exchange (explaining how you would benefit the company and make them more profitable).

Since you have sales experience, tell them something along the lines of how your genuine customer service experience could directly translate into more clientele for the company (friends telling friends about you). Honestly, when I was doing sales, I wouldn't focus on selling to the person, but making the person feel good. I learned that so many things could f-up someone's day, and most likely, one of those things already happened to at least a few of your customers. If you become the 'anti-depressant' to them, they will come back, or at least possibly tell their friends about how you cheered them up. Repeat customers are gold to every business.

I was more a bartender (the chill kine) than a salesperson...and I meant every word of what I said to my clients (more happy people around me = a more happy me anyway). My sales and commission were pretty damn good too (but I don't really care about status or money, I care more about having free time, so that was just a bonus). The reason I don't do sales anymore after 5 years of it is because I see a critical point in our native ecosystems' survival and manpower is what is needed to save them...and I'm down to bust my a** :)

DKP

August 7th, 2007, 07:08 PM

Oh, I forgot. You can make bank selling cell phones at Radio Shack. It's pretty easy and the benefits are good. They reward motivated sellers in other ways too.

BTW, you probably already know this, but start a 401k asap if you haven't already. I really don't know what that state of social security will be when you're ready to retire.

adrian

August 8th, 2007, 11:09 AM

Oh, I forgot. You can make bank selling cell phones at Radio Shack. It's pretty easy and the benefits are good. They reward motivated sellers in other ways too.

I think I applied there within in the last couple of weeks.

scrivener

August 8th, 2007, 11:34 AM

I think I applied there within in the last couple of weeks.
Adrian, if you're serious about finding work, you have to keep track of this stuff, especially since a lot of places wait for you to call back after a certain amount of time. If you are truly interested in working at a certain place, call back about a week or ten days after you file the application or send the resume. Say, "My name is ________ and I applied for a job on ___________ and am calling to check on the status of that application."

I was once given a job over fifty other applicants (when I was 19, in a field I had no experience with) because I did this. The owner happened to be in when I called, and he was impressed enough that I got a second interview immediately, this time with the owner.

Some places don't like it when you call back ("don't call us -- we'll call you!") and once I was actually chewed out for calling back, but you don't want to work for people who'll do that anyway, so it was good to find that out early.

Anyway, I've tried to keep out of this because you're getting advice from all sides from a million people who have been where you are, but I cannot stress enough the benefit of keeping track of all your applications and resumes. I consider this an absolute must-do.

1stwahine

August 8th, 2007, 03:00 PM

auntie: there's choke oda computer people out there that has more skills than me. I get one disadvantage because of my experience. Ever'one stay asking fo one BS degree or somet'ing lil dat - I only get one AS.

And I stay looking everywhere dat stay has open positions I like do for a while. If no more soon, den I go do somet'ing I no like, but den I scared I go hate it like da walmart job, den quit. By dat time, I gong have uka pila bills again, den I go stay back in square one.

(whoa, where'd I get that?)

Adrian, Mahalo for starting this thread. When I posted my comment to you, I was actually posting it also to me.:o Reading the advices on this thread gave me the push I needed. I got off my Arse and called Social Security. They have a Ticket to Work Program for those who want be be self sufficient again. They pay for clients to be retrained, schooled, etc. and then pay part of the wages as an incentive for employers to hire them. My orientation is on August 20th. I'm excited. I found my certificate of completion from The University of Hawaii Community Colleges ~ Administration and Technology ~ 646.25 Hours.

Yes, Adrian...Life is not easy. There are obstacles. Remember with each step backwards take two steps forward. ;) You'll make it! Be persistent! Never lose sight of your DREAM!

Love and Aloha

Auntie Lynn

craigwatanabe

August 9th, 2007, 11:04 AM

Adrian...you're young, single and probably still have the safe haven of your parents. In other words now is the time to sample different career types before the heavy debt scene falls on you (mortgage, rent, utilities, kids)

When you're young you want everything now, good home, good car, cool gadgets, nice job. That will all come but in most cases you have to earn it. Heck some people twice your age are still trying to find those materialistic wants.

Some of my friends spent their paychecks on souping up their cars, while other friends drove pieces of junk but saved and invested what little they earned.

Now some of my friends drive beat up looking souped up cars while others are living in nice homes driving BMW's with money in the bank. Get the picture?

When you get to be my age (47) you're at that point where you're staring down the barrel of retirement. For some of my friends, that shotgun went off already and they're struggling just stay afloat after their financial mistakes made during their 20's. Others are relaxing in early retirement and looking forward for that monetary windfall come age 62 when the pensions, IRA's, 401's and what's left of social security kicks in not to mention the cheap coffee at McDonalds:D

Remember it's easier to work harder when you're younger than older. But it's wiser to work smarter when you're younger so that intelligence will pay off when that noggin starts to fail in your elder years.

Leo Lakio

August 9th, 2007, 11:13 AM

Adrian - listen to what CW said, just above. He knows of what he speaks. It's easier to try different things now than thirty years from now; I'm in a major career course correction myself at age 49. There's a lot I'm likely to give up in order to get what I want now (salary vs. satisfaction.)

adrian

August 9th, 2007, 11:41 AM

Adrian...you're young, single and probably still have the safe haven of your parents. In other words now is the time to sample different career types before the heavy debt scene falls on you (mortgage, rent, utilities, kids)

Well, I want to avoid working in a labor intensive job like what I did at walmart, or else I'll just quit in a few months like what I did.

I applied for some sales positions, as I'm getting comfortable talking to strangers, but I'm still a bit nervous at talking to people/leaving messages on the phone.

And of course, its hard to change my resume to meet the job description of other careers because of my limited experience, so that's something I'm facing right now.

tutusue

August 9th, 2007, 11:57 AM

[...]Others are relaxing in early retirement and looking forward for that monetary windfall come age 62 when the pensions, IRA's, 401's and what's left of social security kicks in not to mention the cheap coffee at McDonalds:D[...]
Good news, Craig. The McD cheap coffee kicks in at 55. Ditto for JitB and BK. Even Ross'(s?!!!) has senior discounts on Tuesdays for the 55+ set!

I was "carded" at McD's once (yes, only once...waaaaah!). It was the best day of my over 55 life! :D

Adrian...Craig's given you some great advice. There's nothing wrong with a 'labor intensive' job, esp. if it helps to pay off your car. Would you rather work hard or meet the repo man then have your credit affected for 7 or so years?

adrian

August 9th, 2007, 12:05 PM

Adrian...Craig's given you some great advice. There's nothing wrong with a 'labor intensive' job, esp. if it helps to pay off your car. Would you rather work hard or meet the repo man then have your credit affected for 7 or so years?
As I found out, my body can't handle labor jobs that long. On that last day, I sat in my car for a good 15 minutes just trying to get every muscle back and drive myself home.

If I do a labor intensive job now, then I might not make it to the bus stop.

Miulang

August 9th, 2007, 12:27 PM

Adrian:
You are not "entitled" to a soft, cushy job! When you are in dire financial straits, you do whatever it takes to make money to pay your own way. You're very very lucky that you still live with your parents. That alone is saving you at least $700-800/month. If you had no parents to fall back on, how would you survive?

Like Craig says, when you're young (in your 20s), it's OK to work at a lot of different jobs so that you can eliminate the jobs you don't want as permanent career possibilities. But by the time you're in your 30s, you'd better have gotten that wanderlust out of your system, because 40 will come soon enough, and by then you really have to start worrying about making enough money for your retirement (although retirement planning should start when you're in your 20s).

I worked at some pretty crappy jobs when I was younger and managed to save enough so that now I can be picky about the jobs I'm willing to take. But at your age, you can't afford to be picky. So just get out there and pay your dues.

Miulang

NoCal Boy

August 9th, 2007, 01:05 PM

The McD cheap coffee kicks in at 55.

I had no idea that there was cheap coffee in my future! (Not near future, but it's out there.) I always thought seniors went to McD's because they wouldn't kick them out if they wanted to spend hours talking over one cup of coffee! Is this just an unspoken secret, passed along in the pages of AARP Magazine?

How do you order that, anyway? "I'll take an Egg McMuffin and a senior coffee."

tutusue

August 9th, 2007, 06:21 PM

[...]How do you order that, anyway? "I'll take an Egg McMuffin and a senior coffee."
Exactly! Or, in my case, "I'll have a side salad and one senior Diet Coke."! :D Seniors aren't tethered to coffee.

I can't remember how I heard about the discount but I'm pretty sure it was word of mouth and not AARP!!! I'd not heard of any discounts at JitB and BK when, lo and behold, I asked for a senior DC I got one.

This aging thing isn't all that bad! Really!!!

LikaNui

August 9th, 2007, 07:45 PM

I can't remember how I heard about the discount but I'm pretty sure it was word of mouth and not AARP!!! I'm gonna guess that you heard about it the same way I did -- Panther's Tales!
Right?

tutusue

August 9th, 2007, 09:16 PM

I'm gonna guess that you heard about it the same way I did -- Panther's Tales!
Right?
Nope! I've not read Panther's tales. However, you just tickled my brain. I either heard it directly from him or by him on soc.culture.hawaii. It's definitely Panther related!

GeckoGeek

August 10th, 2007, 12:27 AM

Adrian, with your education, I keep hoping that you'll find a tech job you'll like. Assuming you're not tired of computers.

There's got to be jobs out there. Keep trying. Something will turn up.

adrian

August 10th, 2007, 12:35 PM

Adrian, with your education, I keep hoping that you'll find a tech job you'll like. Assuming you're not tired of computers.

There's got to be jobs out there. Keep trying. Something will turn up.
You think someone who is tired of computers would have the license plate "ALT-F4"? :D

I'm wondering who'll hire a geek in a non-computer position since the only non-computer item on my resume is the walmart job.

tutusue

August 10th, 2007, 02:52 PM

[...]I'm wondering who'll hire a geek in a non-computer position since the only non-computer item on my resume is the walmart job.
Last I heard the unemployment level is quite low. There must be many entry level jobs that don't require experience. Go for the on the job training.

scrivener

August 10th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Last I heard the unemployment level is quite low. There must be many entry level jobs that don't require experience. Go for the on the job training.
Agree. This article (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Mar/02/ln/FP703020342.html) in the Advertiser discusses one of my favorite restaurants and the difficulties the chef/owner is having getting entry-level workers for his kitchen. I've seen him hire some of my students (his son was also one of my students) while they were in school and now it looks like a career in this field might be in their futures. I figure whatever he's paying in wages is only part of what you really get out of working in a place like this.

I'm not saying you should check it out, Adrian, but I am saying that if your mind is open, you never know what you could end up with.

craigwatanabe

August 10th, 2007, 08:16 PM

Well the military is still looking for a few good men and women.

The military taught me how to be a leader as I was a very introverted person in High School. That boost in self confidence helped me decide what I wanted to do when I was still young enough to try. It's actually easier now than it was a few decades ago to find a good job with computerized job search engines such as CareerBuilders.com and others.

Adrian if I were you I'd go back to school and get a degree in Business Administration with an emphasis on Labor Relations. I think that's about the best degree out there if you want a managerial type job with leadership goals. Go for a standard four year degree in a Sociology field then a Masters in Biz Ad. Do it while you're young, find a job in the retail sector and move up to a management position then once you have both the degree and experience in place make the move into a company looking for both.

You can do this as a 20-year old and become successful by the time you're in your late 20's. At that point slow down and raise your family, buy a house and then watch all that hard work pay for itself.

While in your 20's invest some of that kala. I would fore go buying a home now as prices are still high. Wait for the foreclosures to hit the market (and they will), buy pennies on the dollar on a good foreclosed home and wait for the next real estate wave (this is the third I've been tracking since the early 80's). Don't let the lower interest rates intice you. When the prices of homes drop the interest rates typically rise. That's okay. Buy low cost real estate with high interest rates, then when the next wave hits and interest rates drop to encourage home ownership, you refinance your higher interest first mortgage with a refi and take advantage of the lower rates.

With all the equity build up from the booming market, you'll have money up the ying yang to invest.

Remember you can renegotiate a higher interest rate mortgage but you cannot renegotiate a lower principal cost on your home.

Oops sorry I'm getting ahead of myself but that's how you get successful to the point of early retirement before you hit 62.

GeckoGeek

August 11th, 2007, 12:33 AM

Well the military is still looking for a few good men and women.

That's what my dad told me once. Something along the lines of "If things don't work out, the Air Force takes care of it's own."

GeckoGeek

August 11th, 2007, 12:35 AM

You think someone who is tired of computers would have the license plate "ALT-F4"? :D

I know of a guy with a website "beyond F1". ;)

SusieMisajon

August 11th, 2007, 12:49 AM

http://www.wwoof.org/

Get a backpack and a plane ticket to anywhere and work on farms with a variety of people from all over as a WWOOFie (it started out as 'working weekends on organic farms). Spend a year or so doing that and you'll be richer for it.

tutusue

August 11th, 2007, 10:38 AM

[...]Get a backpack and a plane ticket to anywhere and work on farms with a variety of people from all over as a WWOOFie (it started out as 'working weekends on organic farms). Spend a year or so doing that and you'll be richer for it.
Farm work can be labor intensive and according to Adrian..."Well, I want to avoid working in a labor intensive job like what I did at walmart, or else I'll just quit in a few months like what I did."

Adrian...if you were offered a somewhat well paying job, one that would allow you to live on your own in another state...would you take advantage of that offer? Are you ready to leave the nest and strike out on your own? I ask because I'm getting the feeling that you're comfortable where you are and leaving home, at this point, might not be an option for you. That would eliminate the military and travel when both would, in fact, be great experiences for you.

infinitypro

August 11th, 2007, 05:03 PM

I have a suggestion, an idea that came to me while posting in the Pseudophrine Menace thread...

...Perhaps you could solicit and secure a contract with Longs and all the other Pharmacies, and create a database for all of us NyQuil, Sudafed purchasers! (sarcasm...I'm sick, and grouchy!).

craigwatanabe

August 12th, 2007, 10:40 AM

Farm work can be labor intensive and according to Adrian..."Well, I want to avoid working in a labor intensive job like what I did at walmart, or else I'll just quit in a few months like what I did."

Adrian...if you were offered a somewhat well paying job, one that would allow you to live on your own in another state...would you take advantage of that offer? Are you ready to leave the nest and strike out on your own? I ask because I'm getting the feeling that you're comfortable where you are and leaving home, at this point, might not be an option for you. That would eliminate the military and travel when both would, in fact, be great experiences for you.

Okay no labor intensive work and the comfort of where he is leaves only one viable option left...DAY TRADING on the internet!

You get to stay home, stay with your parents, no BREATH OF FRESH AIR (meaning no pushing carts in the sun or rain), you get to toil on your computer all day long in your boxers and make money!

SusieMisajon

August 12th, 2007, 10:41 AM

Marry a working woman and be a housedad?

tutusue

August 12th, 2007, 11:06 AM

Okay no labor intensive work and the comfort of where he is leaves only one viable option left...DAY TRADING on the internet![...] and make money!
AAAAAAAAACCCK! Don't listen to Craig, Adrian. He was just kidding. Really. Honest injun!!! Craig is probably one who can get away with day trading without bankrupting his family but it definitely isn't for the faint of heart...or those with no knowledge!

That said, when I have time on my hands, I'd love to play with $100. just to see what I can do with it...if anything! But first I need to read, read and read some more! And that takes time.

craigwatanabe

August 12th, 2007, 11:27 AM

AAAAAAAAACCCK! Don't listen to Craig, Adrian. He was just kidding. Really. Honest injun!!! Craig is probably one who can get away with day trading without bankrupting his family but it definitely isn't for the faint of heart...or those with no knowledge!

That said, when I have time on my hands, I'd love to play with $100. just to see what I can do with it...if anything! But first I need to read, read and read some more! And that takes time.

heck it can't be worse than going to Las Vegas. How many of us really know how to gamble? Most of us come back with empty pockets and a maxed out credit card(s).

tutusue

August 12th, 2007, 12:15 PM

heck it can't be worse than going to Las Vegas. How many of us really know how to gamble? Most of us come back with empty pockets and a maxed out credit card(s).
I've been to LV less than a handful of times but I NEVER lost more than $5. during any, one visit. O'course, that's all I allowed myself to play with! More often than not I won a few bucks via the slots or blackjack. Was always fun but, for me, the fun woulda ceased with bigger stakes. I came home with $40. once and I was thrilled! My boyfriend told me I was very low maintenance! Smart boyfriend. Shoulda kept him! :D

GeckoGeek

August 12th, 2007, 05:38 PM

only one viable option left...DAY TRADING on the internet!

Uhhhhh, don't you have to have money first?

craigwatanabe

August 14th, 2007, 07:11 AM

Uhhhhh, don't you have to have money first?

Hey he's got a new car...sell it then you got money!

GeckoGeek

August 14th, 2007, 08:32 AM

Hey he's got a new car...sell it then you got money!

As long as he's not upside down on the loan.

craigwatanabe

August 14th, 2007, 09:51 AM

That's true. I'd still sell the car for what he can, and buy an older car (like what he had) own it outright and use what would have been monthly car payments and insurance costs for investment purposes.

adrian

August 17th, 2007, 11:28 AM

Miulang

August 17th, 2007, 11:46 AM

UPDATE!

I just set an appointment for an interview for tomorrow around noon time for a computer tech/office helper position. The interview will be in Schofield, and if I do get it, then it'll be killing two birds with one stone because I can hopefully advertise my Mom's embroidery business there. :D
Pssst...Adrian. If you get the job, don't be advertising your Mom's business too openly. Most businesses don't like having their employees moonlighting for other companies while they are supposedly on the job.;)

Miulang

adrian

August 17th, 2007, 10:19 PM

Miulang

August 18th, 2007, 07:41 AM

By some chance, I stumbled onto their website tonight (http://www.pcsihi.com/index.html). The company's name is Progressive Computer Services with their main branch on Dillingham, and of course a location in Schofield - where tomorrow's interview is scheduled to take place.

So basically, it looks like it'll be just like working at my current job.
Not quite like the little storefront you currently work at. These guys have been around since 1992 and they also are government subcontractors so they probably aren't going to be quite as "casual".:)

Miulang

Altivec

August 18th, 2007, 10:54 AM

Looks like it's located in Schofield's Main Exchange store.

adrian

August 18th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Looks like it's located in Schofield's Main Exchange store.
Yep.

As usual, google maps was wrong in the entrance, so I had to rely on my male navigation skills to get around the base ;)

Not quite like the little storefront you currently work at. These guys have been around since 1992 and they also are government subcontractors so they probably aren't going to be quite as "casual".:)

You're also correct. They told me they were understaffed, as their Dillingham office was vacant, and already had a few people working other hours, but the co-owners who interviewed me said they wanted to take a break from their duties, and they talked like I was already hired, but I still had to fill out an application.

That was the first time I went on base for anything other than computer repair, but the atmosphere was different in the mall than say, Ala Moana or even a small mall - more like the mainland stores I went to in Texas.

And FYI, I wore my full business attire, so hopefully I made a good first impression.