The Ten Commandments... [Archive]

1stwahine

March 2nd, 2005, 04:58 PM

The Supreme Court will be making a decision on whether or not The Ten Commandents will be allowed or removed from Public Buildings of the Govt. I wonder how their gonna base their decision? The big doors behind where they sit has the Ten Commandments. Moses and the Ten Commandments appears on both frieze in which the courtroom that The Supreme Court sits...the list is endless. The United States was based on the belief of GOD! Without GOD...our NATION will cease to exist! Read more @ http:www.eppc.org/news/newsID.2252/news/detail.asp
(don't know but it's not available anymore, search for Ten Commandments at Supreme Court Building). :confused:

GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, GOD BLESS AMERICA! IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST...

scrivener

March 2nd, 2005, 08:08 PM

What you say about this country being based on the belief in God is only marginally true. One (of many) reasons the Founders came here from Europe was to escape religious persecution. Even so, consider what that means. They escaped England so that they would be free to practice religion the way they wanted. Isn't it a violation of that very principal to insist that the government permit itself to express preference for any religion at all? I think it is.

Additionally, it has become very popular for Christians (and I am a worshipping Christian myself) to say that this country was founded by Christians; this is true, but these Christian founders did not practice or believe the brand of Christianity contemporary Evangelicals seem to enjoy imagining they practiced. Most were Unitarians (this means they did not believe in the Christian concept of the Trinity) and deists (this means they believed in a creator who set everything into motion and then backed off to watch what happened, never getting involved in the daily affairs of humans).

This is not to condemn them, but to say that they did what they did in order for the government to allow its citizens the freedom to practice any religion they wanted, if any, and to be spared the government's expressing favor upon any religion at all.

Besides. The argument about what the founders had in mind is mostly irrelevant. The question is really, "What do we want our country to be, today?" Our founders never imagined we'd be as diverse a nation as we've become, and I think they'd be proud to see it.

1stwahine

March 3rd, 2005, 11:32 AM

Our founders proud of our diverse...Homelessness, Illegal and Drug Activities, Child Molestations, etc. Proud? I don't think so. That's why I enjoy this forum cause although I may not be as intellegent as many on the board, I can post my views just as well. Today, I want to post a prayer, it's not a chain letter nor something I ask others to do. It is what I want to express in time of need for our Nation's situation!

Heavenly Father, I ask you to bless my friends reading this. I ask You
to minister to their spirit. Where there is pain, give them Your peace
and mercy. Where there is self doubting, release a renewed confidence to
work through them. Where there is tiredness, or exhaustion, I ask You to
give them understanding, guidance, and strength as they learn submission
to Your leading. Where there is spiritual stagnation, I ask You to renew
them by revealing Your nearness, and by drawing them into greater
intimacy with You. Where there is fear, reveal Your love, and release to
them Your courage. Where there is a sin blocking them, reveal it and
break its hold over my friend's life. Bless their finances, give them
greater vision, and raise up leaders and friends to support and
encourage them. Give each of them discernment to recognize the negative
forces around them, and reveal to them the power they have in You to
defeat it. I ask You to do these things in Jesus' name. Amen

Yes, The Ten Commandmant is GOD'S WORDS and are very powerful to be stricken down even by the Supreme Court! The guidance and hand of GOD himself will direct each justice individually...

pzarquon

March 3rd, 2005, 02:05 PM

Except if you don't believe in god, in which case all bets are off.

1stwahine

March 3rd, 2005, 02:41 PM

Except if you don't believe in god, in which case all bets are off.

We pray for the sinners and unbelievers the most...GOD doesn't want the SAVED, they're already in the BOOK of Life. :)

waikikiluau

March 3rd, 2005, 05:32 PM

I think this kind of matter is a bit hard for someone to judge even by the Supreme Court coz I believe even how just a judge can be, for sure he/she will decide based on his/her beliefs too...

And I believe this issue about the 10 commandments here in America should be taken lightly. Let alone the 10 commandments to be viewed in public places because we can't deny that it's part of our history whether we accept or not the 10 commandments... Let's keep them in public places as a sign of respect for our past, our history no matter what our grounds or beliefs about God....

That's my two cents about that matter... mahalo! :)

Glen Miyashiro

March 3rd, 2005, 06:55 PM

Except if you don't believe in god, in which case all bets are off.Which god are you talking about? The Red State God, or the Blue State God? He's an awesome one, you know. ;)

Linkmeister

March 3rd, 2005, 07:21 PM

Let alone the 10 commandments to be viewed in public places because we can't deny that it's part of our history whether we accept or not the 10 commandments... Let's keep them in public places as a sign of respect for our past, our history no matter what our grounds or beliefs about God....

That's my two cents about that matter... mahalo! :)

{snark}

Moses was an American?

{/snark}

Seriously, I don't see how the 10 Commandments are part of American history. Palestinian, yes, by virtue of geography. Israel, by virtue of the Torah (I suppose). American?

pzarquon

March 3rd, 2005, 09:24 PM

Seriously, I don't see how the 10 Commandments are part of American history. Palestinian, yes, by virtue of geography. Israel, by virtue of the Torah (I suppose). American?Didn't you hear? God's recently even become a Republican!

In my perfect world, Christians would do their thing, Muslims theirs, Jews theirs, Atheists and Cthuluists and everyone else to each their own, and our government would stick to the nuts and bolts of running the country and stay away from any religion, let alone legislate morality.

Hey, the Ten Commandments are swell, the Bible is a great book, but neither need the sanction of Uncle Sam. My daughter believes in god but I still don't like that she has to pledge allegiance under her every day. It annoys me that my money trusts in god when I don't, and that god blesses the honorable court and chambers that supposedly decide everything, including whether or not god belongs in the courtroom or halls of government.

But, I suppose, such is the life as a minority in a "representative democracy." Non-Christians will just have to wait a while 'til they're the majority.

Er, except that Christians are reproducing at a significantly higher rate than other groups in this country. :p

scrivener

March 3rd, 2005, 09:33 PM

It annoys me that my money trusts in god when I don't, and that god blesses the honorable court and chambers that supposedly decide everything, including whether or not god belongs in the courtroom or halls of government.

I'm with you, as you're well aware. I'm a Christian, and I don't think God should be in the pledge, on our money, or in the courtrooms either.

I would hope that my fellow believers would see that Christ never meant for governments to honor or endorse him in any way. "Give to Caeser what is Caeser's," he said, "and give to God what is God's." Please keep in mind, fellow believers, that political leadership is exactly what Jesus did not want--remember those forty days in the wilderness? He refused a crown and later took up a cross. I believe it is our place to follow the example he set. I could back it up with scripture, but if you know the Word, you also already know exactly what verses I'd bring up.

It is our place to believe what we want; it is not our place to force those beliefs upon others.

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 03:10 AM

A disruputable witness scorns justice,
And the mouth of the wicked devours iniquity.
Proverbs 19-28

pzarquon

March 4th, 2005, 05:41 AM

Rule Number One: If all else fails, quote scripture.

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 07:00 AM

Rule Number One: If all else fails, quote scripture.

Yep! "THE BIBLE" IS GOD'S WORDS FOR ALL TO LEARN AND ABSORB....

pzarquon

March 4th, 2005, 07:11 AM

Except if you don't believe in god, in which case all bets are off.

Waitaminit...

kimo55

March 4th, 2005, 07:52 AM

Except if you don't believe in god, in which case all bets are off.

religion is the opiate of the masses

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 09:02 AM

religion is the opiate of the masses

I'm a Christian. Grew up Catholic. To make a long story short. Never did like attending church, was to boring.Always looked at the clock to see how long more. Then my late husband got Lou Geregh's, died on Thansgiving Day 1997. Told the Pastors to go home and that I would call Hospice. Waiting for Hospice to come...my husband jumps up and looks at me and our daughters with a "wat you looking at face!" He died the following January 17,1998, one day after my dad's death anniversary(I told him he had better not die on that day as a joke!). On January 17th, all my children were home from school for no apparent reason. I made a bif pot of spagetti and meatsauce. The Hospice Nurse came and announced to me that he was going. As my children and I knelt and talked to him, he kept looking towards the door and upwards. We could feel the joy and longing that he had in finally going to be with GOD. The light in the room and the presence of Holiness was powerful. He closed his eyes with a big SMILE! Yes, I believe in GOD as I know him, I don't expect for anyone to be forced into knowing my AWESOME GOD...I just wanted to share. As for the Ten Commandents, it makes sense to follow it! For some, the thought of losing a spouse, a child, a parent etc. may bring them into knowing GOD, and begging him into saving their loved one. What God giveith, GOD can takeith away...that has been the strong scripture I hold dear when my children were in Iraq the same time. It has and will always be the one that keeps me on the right path and think twice before doing something stupid. I still go to church once in awhile, my belief in GOD is ever strong. I speak to GOD in the comfort of my room and have daily, nightly talks with him as I do with everyone else. The only and divine difference is he is GOD and he BLESSES ME EVERY SINGLE DAY!

pzarquon

March 4th, 2005, 09:12 AM

So I gather what you're saying is, you believe in god?

Great! Wonderful. Most of my friends do. Most Americans do, and definitely most believe in some form of higher, sentient power.

But let's get back to the main question. Does this prevalence of belief mean that god-stuff needs to be engraved into currency, invoked at official functions, thanked in schools, and posted in public places? I personally don't think so.

Did god build this great country, or did people? People did, although their faith may have inspired them. Honor that idea, not the god "brand name." And, by the way, I think it's funny when people say, "The U.S. wouldn't be here if it weren't for Christ!" When, of course, a lot of other countries and millions of innocent people would still be here if it weren't for Christians. :) The world don't revolve around us, folks.

Okay, so, religion may be the opiate of the masses, but hell, even opium did some people good. You get out of your faith what you need, and that's the beauty of it. But faith should be a personal thing, not an institutional thing. This is how many people may be believers, but shun organized churches. I don't think that makes them any less faithful, just less interested in rules and guidelines.

Worship in your own way, be proud. But why push it on other people?

And if anyone's answer will be another scripture quote about going out and spreading the word, don't bother, you're not the only person who's read the bible. Answer the question, instead. Why, really, is it anyone's business what other people believe? If you are confident and secure in your faith, that should be enough. And if the rest of us really are going to hell, that just means more cloud for you!

kimo55

March 4th, 2005, 09:25 AM

So I gather what you're saying is, you believe in god?

My Lemurian god is an awesome dog.

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM

My Lemurian god is an awesome dog.

KIMO, WHACK,WHACK IN YOUR HEAD...NO GET FUNNY! DAS ME BLOGG, YOU TALKING ABOUT. WAT'S UP BRO?

Glen Miyashiro

March 4th, 2005, 09:33 AM

"The Ten Commandments are indisputably a historical document that has an important secular impact on the development of Western legal codes and Western civilisation, and under US law it is sensible to acknowledge that," Mr Cruz says (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4310273.stm). "Historical document", my ass. If that's the reasoning, then why not the Code of Hammurabi, which is even more historically important in the development of Western civilization. But I guess the words of someone from what is now Iraq wouldn't fly in Texas, now would it. :mad:

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 09:50 AM

I believe in GOD, as I know him. I don't push my faith as I don't want anyone else to push their religion on me. Simple. I strongly believe that the Ten Commandments is GOD'S WORD and that our past and long dead leaders of our NATION voted to have it where it is displayed today. If we as a NATION destroy what was deemed correct and chosen as a basis for what our great Nation stands for than we are all headed into some kind of travesty.

pzarquon

March 4th, 2005, 10:20 AM

I don't push my faith as I don't want anyone else to push their religion on me.Except invoking him at every opportunity and typing in all caps to be absolutely certain the message is heard, I suppose.
I strongly believe that the Ten Commandments is GOD'S WORD and that our past and long dead leaders of our NATION voted to have it where it is displayed today.
Man, I'd really like to see the results of that vote. A few of them might have believed strongly in the Ten Commandments (the web is rife with people quoting Madison, Adams, etc. on their personal religious views), but that doesn't mean they intended to write Christianity into every American life. I agree with Scrivener. I think they would have been heartened to see Muslim Americans and Buddhist Americans and Church of the Subgenius Americans...

If they did want us all to worship their god, why'd they write the "establishment clause" of the First Amendment? Even if you say that clause is ambiguous, if their intent was to make the U.S. a Christian country, that line should have said, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, apart from proclaiming across the land that GOD RULEZZZ DUDE! BIBLE REPRESENT! WOOF! WOOF!" :)

kimo55

March 4th, 2005, 10:28 AM

KIMO, WHACK,WHACK IN YOUR HEAD...NO GET FUNNY! DAS ME BLOGG, YOU TALKING ABOUT. WAT'S UP BRO?

jez my kolohe self, eh?

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 11:45 AM

jez my kolohe self, eh?

Yeah, at least it brought some laughs to this THREAD. I didn't realize it would have brought out the fighters within some people! Good fun to see the other side of people who ususally don't express themselves ....uh...like dat. I love it. Afterall, we all HUMAN BEINGS, (cough cough) some Lemurians! SMILE EVERYBODY! :D GOD LOVES YOU!

Glen Miyashiro

March 4th, 2005, 12:04 PM

SMILE EVERYBODY! :D GOD LOVES YOU!I don't love Him.

pzarquon

March 4th, 2005, 12:08 PM

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 12:14 PM

Or him. Or her, for that matter.

Recently I was at a thoroughlyunforgetable, colorful restaurant in Wahiawa where Jesus and god were the predominant decorative themes. The only catch was, all the icons depicted were black, and women.

Made sense to me!

Hmmm wea dey serve the best BBQ Ribs! I also loved them photo's! Nobody knows what color skin GOD or JESUS had...I personally think they had my color skin...Filipino,Potorican,Indian. My great gradma's eyes were Blue and she had red hair too as my MAMA does. Hmmm...Lemurians!

MY GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD, HE REIGNS FROM HEAVEN AFAR!

and the beat goes on! :cool:

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 12:16 PM

I don't love Him.

It's OK, He still LOVES YOU! :)

Glen Miyashiro

March 4th, 2005, 12:17 PM

It's OK, He still LOVES YOU! :)Now, that's just creepy. :rolleyes:

1stwahine

March 4th, 2005, 12:21 PM

Now, that's just creepy. :rolleyes:

aHHHH, Komo mai, come Auntie Lynn give you one big ho'ne ho'ne! :)

LikaNui

March 4th, 2005, 12:31 PM

My Lemurian god is an awesome dog.

But Kimo, a lemur is a primate, not a dog!
:p

kimo55

March 4th, 2005, 01:22 PM

Glen Miyashiro

March 4th, 2005, 09:52 PM

This isn't quite on-topic, but it's close enough. I found a hilarious Christian parody (http://www.whiteboydj.com/babygotbook/index.html) of the old Sir Mix A Lot rap tune, "Baby Got Back".

waikikiluau

March 5th, 2005, 06:25 PM

{snark}

Moses was an American?

{/snark}

Seriously, I don't see how the 10 Commandments are part of American history. Palestinian, yes, by virtue of geography. Israel, by virtue of the Torah (I suppose). American?

it's part of our history bcoz we're all humans, created by God (or a Supreme Being)... and we share the same history as our other fellow humans have.... it all boils down to one thing... whether it's Islam, Christianity, Taoism --they are pointing to one direction,,, to know the Truth,, to seek the Truth,,, whether you are an atheist or a deist,,, i believe you have some kind of beliefs to lead you to a harmonious and peaceful life.....

History = His Story (God's story still being played in our lives whether we accept it or not)... by now, believing or not believing to the 10 commandments it has been written in History/His Story that there would be characters like us who will play on both sides.......................... but we still have the free will to decide which roles for us to play coz He loves us =)