Deadly Flu Virus

[1stwahine]

hawai'i was chosen to be one of the places to destroy a deadly flu virus? wuz here for over a month. didn't have to report it cause of some technicality? they had the nerve to show how it was being destroyed? what if, just if...the virus had spilt and went into the air? they say it would have been more devastating then when the last flu epidemic was going around.

stupid jackasses. i already got problems. what more secrets lurk in the labortories? makes me wonder what chemical propaganda, if any is going on. terrorists threats? our own govt. seems to be threatning our aina more. :mad:

[Miulang]

This story is really troubling because the company that sent out the vials by mistake happened to send it to some 18 countries, and no one is saying who those countries were. They're also saying that they're relying on the labs that received the vials to destroy them safely.

Since we have no idea where the vials were shipped (and it was also shipped to labs in Europe, the Middle East and Asia, apparently), how will we ever know if all of them, "on Scout's honor", destroyed the vials? What if it ended up in Pakistan or India?

Everyone born after 1957, which is when the pandemic flu strain spread across the world killing millions, should be alarmed by this snafu.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

I was born in (oh yeah you know)heheheheh. I'm safe. Still, I worry for all the children in the world. I worry for everyone else. I have to wonder who else is protected not because of the year they were born. Soldiers, Politicians, etc. As for the other 18 countries, I'd like to know which ones. We're in deep deep kakas if it surely went into the wrong hands!

This is not something we should sit back and wonder, "what if"........... :mad:
This could have been a global catastrophe that would have infected millions. We're not safe out of the woods yet. The fact remains what happenned to the other 18 vials and whether it was deystroyed as instructed, as Miulang has posted.

Whoever is to blame, arrest the person or persons. Mistakes like this just don't happen. I can understand maybe a few, still it can casue havoc in any society as we know it. But vials sent to 18 countries? Talk about Mass destruction potential. Nah, this story has more to it, than we are led to believe.

Auntie Lynn

[1stwahine]

As I lay down in bed, half asleep from my medications......

I thought I heard and correct me if I'm wrong, but did they lose some vials? 1,400 vials? Did they send it to Lebanon and Mexico where they said they didn't recieve it? Please tell me I was dreaming. :mad:

[1stwahine]

Hala! I wasn't dreaming! I found the news report that was on Channel 9 last night. It isn't 1,400 as I stated. It's 5,000!

You can view the full report @http://www.kgmb.com/kgmb/display.cfm?storyID=4305&sis=1184

or go to Kgmb website and search under would and national

Sssshhh....it takes a lot to find evidence not to make one silly nowadays.

Are you born before or after 1957?

Mass hysteria not yet started. Wait till people start dying like flies then they'll rush to get things going...oh well, enough warning.

[Miulang]

The accidental release of vials of the 1957 flu virus is bad enough, but now the Public Health officials are saying that the avian bird flu which has been cropping up more and more in Asia will soon hit our shores. About the only good thing about it (so far) is that there is no documented human-to-human transfer, but the public health officials are worried because there is still a remote possibility that people can get sick (and die) if they eat infected chickens or eggs. :eek:

Miulang

[kimo55]

Things are looking more frightening alla time. like the end o da world.

Reports lately of someone contracting aids/HIV AND the bird flu at the same time.
Bird flu carried with a strain of HIV?!
what da...

World health org. sez this has the potential to mutate into a form that could pass easily between humans and cause a pandemic in which millions could die.

Why not. Seems we may be wiped out by bacteria too.
...antibacterial agents contained in soaps actually may kill off normal bacteria, creating an environment for resistant, mutated bacteria that are impervious to antibacterials, including antibiotics.

[1stwahine]

Things are looking more frightening alla time. like the end o da world.

like the end of time? so what bro kimo, do we just sit back and do nothing and wait what they tell us. makes me want to go buy one of them hummbvies that i see more often lately. makes me want to do all sorts of things i wish i could do but don't have the kala's to do. if this is the end of times then i'm ready...however, it's not only me anymore. i have my precious grandson to protect and save from anything that will cause harm to him.

one thing is for sure. i ain't gonna sit back and wait and not say anything. once again, i'm gonna contact those in Washington, even the President and ask to have this investigated to the highest level! Then again, they don't write me back except for one, Congressman Ed Case and he's not even my Congressman. god bless him.

this will surely cause a global problem.....we all wait like sitting ducks, eh?

[1stwahine]

In the back of The StarBulletin today...an article regarding an update on the deadly flu vials that are missing. "SOME" have been found. Where does that leave us? Waiting still like sitting ducks......aaachoo, excuse me. Another thing I noticed is the numbers always are different. I'm to lazy to get the link. Maybe, laters. ;)

[1stwahine]

Update: In today's Star Bulletin :
http://starbulletin.com/2006/02/09/news/story11.html

"The Legislature has received an unusual $15 million emergency appropriation request from the state administration to prepare for a possible flu pandemic."

...need I say more? :eek:

Auntie Lynn

[Miulang]

Well, today Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff (http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/03/09/chertoff.bird.flu/index.html) said he expected the bird flu to hit the US within the next few months. Any area that is in the path of migratory birds might be affected, because it appears the H5N1 virus is being spread all over the world by wild birds, most recently in Western Europe.

Don't panic, he says, just be alert. Read here (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/01/21/birdflu.facts/) for more information about bird flu and be prepared. He also said not to panic because the US Public Health system has dealt with potential epidemics before. Well...if DHS' handling of the aftermath of Katrina is any indication of the government's ability to protect us, I'd say just make sure you know what you can do to help protect yourself first, because government help might be slow in coming. It might take as long as 4 months to develop a new vaccine to combat the virus and tamiflu, one of 2 antivirals known to slow down the virus, is still in short supply and being stockpiled for use by essential service workers.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

Wow! Tita Muilang, this thread get plenty warning from you and me. Hmmm...I wonda if anybody reading? I wonda if anybody care?

The Legislature knows something is up. Das for sure. They approved an emergency funding last month den the announcement today from Washington? We in for a major epidemic.

If anybody like take a look at History, you will see major outbreaks which took many lives around the world. It is a given. However, with today's technology and medical breakthroughs - our Citizens should be protected. We are NOT!

In a few months we all will know whether or not we have enough vaccine to sustain and protect our citizens. Don't just sit back and do nothing. Don't expect someone else to do the dirty work for you. This is all our lives.

They say "Don't Panic!" What do we do? What can we do? :confused:

Auntie Lynn

[kaneohegirl]

over on the Aloha World Board, one of our members is living in France and she is very informed on the flu scare she gave me this link to check out the many thing/ways to prep for a possible epidemic....

so I thought I would share.... there some good stuff here... just dont let the intensity of some of the ppl scare you... some of them have been prepping for something like this for the last 2 yrs or more...
it has made me rethink my pantry thats for sure.
http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40

[1stwahine]

Good Morning America is featuring the Deadly Flu Virus this Week. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AvianFlu/ On their Website ~ information is already available. It is already on it's way! Honolulu is the Western Door. If a person is found infected on a plane, that person will be taken to a hospital. The other passengers will be put in quarantine for an undisclosed amount of time. My question: How does that affect the population? How many travelers are we ready for who will be infected with the virus? It is coming. Are we really prepared?

I haven't seen anything in the papers as to what we can or must do in order to protect ourselves or our loved ones. The Legislators must get off their okoles and let the Public know what is going on.

This ain't no Movie. This is Reality. Separate Fact from Fiction.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

John Quincy Adams


Auntie Lynn

[Miulang]

For now, Tita, we're still reasonably safe. The H5N1 virus has not mutated into a form that can be transmitted from human to human yet. More than likely, that will change over time, though. Hopefully we have enough time to come up with better ways to detect it and vaccines to immunize the population from the human borne version.

It goes make me wonder, though, if we all shouldn't turn into vegan vegetarians: there's swine flu, mad cow disease, avian flu, mercury contamination in fish, arsenic in the water...and then there's GMO vegetables which might cause you to glow in the dark (joke)...

Miulang

BTW, Tita, Welcome home! ;) How was your vacation in Europe?

[1stwahine]

For now, Tita, we're still reasonably safe. The H5N1 virus has not mutated into a form that can be transmitted from human to human yet. More than likely, that will change over time, though. Hopefully we have enough time to come up with better ways to detect it and vaccines to immunize the population from the human borne version.

It goes make me wonder, though, if we all shouldn't turn into vegan vegetarians: there's swine flu, mad cow disease, avian flu, mercury contamination in fish, arsenic in the water...and then there's GMO vegetables which might cause you to glow in the dark (joke)...

Miulang

Wow! Da way they was talking this morning sure wen ruin my Big Breakfast! :eek: I should have watch Yobo Movie with MAMA in da living room! :p Da nerve.

Yeah, we get all kinds of problems in this World of ours. It still goes round and round. Whatever may happen, happens for a reason. The strong will survive. I intend to Survive...I, pUpuLe das why! Everytime I go up dea, they send me back down.

Auntie Lynn

btw: I already GLOW in the dark from my "crazy" Medications! :eek: hahahaha

BTW, Tita, Welcome home! ;) How was your vacation in Europe? It was awesome! I just came back from Tokyo, Japan. Next stop - Sweeden!

[mauiwahine05]

If you do a search on MSN for Avian flu, they show you a timeline from a while back about the Avian Flu. I was a public health major and so I see/hear a lot about it. It has actually been found in europe and the mainland but not very proliferant up here on the mainland. I think it was one east coast farm that had it. Nothing widespread...yet. But they are finding it in more wild birds which is pretty dangerous since they migrate and spread it. It's also recently been found in Egypt or somewhere near. There are hwoeer other strains that are similar but not as strong as the H5N1.

Hawaii's pretty lucky cuz there aren't many if any birds that migrate over there right? Just gotta make sure customs is checking all those birds in quarantine.

[Miulang]

If you do a search on MSN for Avian flu, they show you a timeline from a while back about the Avian Flu. I was a public health major and so I see/hear a lot about it. It has actually been found in europe and the mainland but not very proliferant up here on the mainland. I think it was one east coast farm that had it. Nothing widespread...yet. But they are finding it in more wild birds which is pretty dangerous since they migrate and spread it. It's also recently been found in Egypt or somewhere near. There are hwoeer other strains that are similar but not as strong as the H5N1.

Hawaii's pretty lucky cuz there aren't many if any birds that migrate over there right? Just gotta make sure customs is checking all those birds in quarantine.
Kolea migrate from Alaska to Hawai'i every year. If the migration pattern of H5N1 is as the WHO predicts, the virus will spread to migrating flocks from Europe over to the northern part of North America, which conceivably could mean Alaska. If that happens, then the Kolea could be a vector to bring bird flu to Hawai'i.

Miulang

[Miulang]

Additional information about migratory birds (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060320/NEWS01/603200332) from Alaska as a vector for H5N1 and Hawai'i being a place that could see the avian flu virus soon (they are still monitoring for West Nile virus too). So if you see any dead birds lying around, please call 211 and follow these directions:

Q. What should I do if I find a dead bird?

A. Although officials continue to ask people to turn in bird carcasses that are intact and less than 48 hours old for West Nile virus testing, that could change with the arrival of avian influenza. Until then, use rubber gloves or a plastic bag when picking up dead birds. Double-bag the carcasses and secure tightly. Call 211 to report dead birds, and for more information visit www.state.hi.us/health/.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

Well, I guess we got to worry!
http://starbulletin.com/2006/03/20/editorial/editorial01.html

Yep. It's a coming. :eek:

Auntie Lynn :rolleyes:

[kaneohegirl]

will it be enough? 3 million in supplies and only 20 more beds?

Try LOOK (http://starbulletin.com/2006/03/23/news/story06.html)

[Miulang]

Well, Hawai'i made it into the national news spotlight again today when CNN did a report on the kinds of things (http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/04/14/hawaii.flu.pandemic.ap/index.html) Hawai'i will be doing if a traveller from Asia tests positive for H5N1 avian flu at the airport. One thing the Health Dept. is prepared to do is quarantine the whole planeload of people who travel with the passenger with the H5N1 virus. Man would I be upset if I was one of those whose entire vacation was spent in quarantine because some selfish person decided to fly instead of staying home because s/he was sick!

Miulang

[pzarquon]

It's an AP story, and has been circling the globe for a while. Interesting to see how many news outlets (http://news.google.com/news?q=hawaii+flu+fukino&scoring=d&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&start=10) -- across the country and around the world -- have published it. Odd how we're supposedly gaining a reputation for vector control because of the looming threat of bird flu, at the same time we're dumping deadly bacteria into our waterways.

[kine1]

I'm scared for real.

[1stwahine]

In today's StarBulletin: http://starbulletin.com/2006/05/12/news/story09.html

"State opens online pandemic resource"

"Islanders who want to know more about avian flu and how to prepare for a possible global pandemic can find comprehensive information on a new state Department of Health Web page."

Ok. Do we worry or do we not? Hmmm...in National News this week they predict a pandemic. For the sake of our families and friends, we better start taking this darn serious and get as much information we can in order to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Then again. There are those like me...who believe if it's time to go...it's time to go. However, I no like go yet!!!!! :eek:

I still get ukipila tings to do.

Auntie pUpUle

[alohabear]

I think all the media coverage and stupid TV movies and shows(like tonight's Numb3rs on CBS (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/) ) is a bit too much overkill for a flu found only in birds and that less than 1% of the human population on the planet had contracted through birds.
Don't panic untill we have to. :D

[Miulang]

I still get ukipila tings to do.

Auntie pUpUle
What? You mean like get married? :D

Actually, Tita, the thing is not to panic but to be aware that IF this happens, everybody going be on their own probably for at least 2-3 weeks while the pandemic works its way through the population. The US government is telling people that they can't rely on it to kokua (yeah, look at how well they did handling the Katrina disaster! :mad: )and that it's the responsibility of the State and individual citizens to take care of themselves.

The US government is trying to decide how to ration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/02/AR2005110200349.html) supplies of Tamiflu and other drugs if this pandemic (or another one) hits this country. They're kinda thinking that the first people to get the inoculations will be the healthcare workers and the police and firemen, then the makule guys and people with compromised immune systems and young kids, and finally all the people in between.

"...At the top of the list are workers in vaccine and antiviral-drug plants (40,000 people), followed by medical practitioners and public health workers (8 million to 9 million), people older than 65 with chronic illnesses other than high blood pressure (18 million), and people between 6 months and 65 years at high risk of complications (7 million).

State plans could adjust this list. For example, some public health experts in farm states believe poultry and swine workers should be given experimental pandemic flu vaccines because they are potential links in the transfer of flu viruses from those animals to man...."

If something like this hits, you're going to want to have some food and water stockpiled, and some cash and possibly some disposable surgical masks and gloves. But above all, if something like this hits, you want to stay in your house as much as possible and not go out in crowds or get on an airplane. Most of it is common sense, and the food and medical stockpiles you'd want to have for an emergency kit anyway, but it would probably have to last you more than the 3 days the experts say you should have as a basic emergency kit.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

I think all the media coverage and stupid TV movies and shows(like tonight's Numb3rs on CBS (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/) ) is a bit too much overkill for a flu found only in birds and that less than 1% of the human population on the planet had contracted through birds.
Don't panic untill we have to. :D

hELLO? :confused: Ukipila money has been spent on information for the Public to obtain on how to prevent or what to expect in case of a Pandemic Outbreak! If you don't start worrying...I dunno what to say. :rolleyes:

Either you're Super Human or have Super Powers? :p

Auntie Lynn

[alohabear]

hELLO? :confused: Ukipila money has been spent on information for the Public to obtain on how to prevent or what to expect in case of a Pandemic Outbreak! If you don't start worrying...I dunno what to say. :rolleyes:

Either you're Super Human or have Super Powers? :p

Auntie Lynn
It's just that I have better things to worry about, than the bird flu right now.

[1stwahine]

What? You mean like get married? :D

If something like this hits, you're going to want to have some food and water stockpiled, and some cash and possibly some disposable surgical masks and gloves. But above all, if something like this hits, you want to stay in your house as much as possible and not go out in crowds or get on an airplane. Most of it is common sense, and the food and medical stockpiles you'd want to have for an emergency kit anyway, but it would probably have to last you more than the 3 days the experts say you should have as a basic emergency kit.

Miulang

Yep! Like getting MARRIED! :D

I got everything you said to have stockpiled. I could use a bit more cash.;) As far as going out...I can handle staying home. As long as I have my computa and no catch any VIRUSES & Spywares! :eek:

MAMA and I fall in the categories of recieving shots! The Elderly and the Disabled! :D Antonio is safe too. My kids ~ they protected. Yep. This ain't nuttin nobody betta not worry about.

It's a coming! :eek:

Auntie Lynn

[kaneohegirl]

It's a coming! :eek:

Auntie Lynn


you gotta figure somethings coming.... its been close to 100 yrs since there has been a major outbreak of a disease that kills as easily as the flu.
so if you think it cant happen I suggest you go to your cupboards/pantry right now and take a quick look.... do you have enough food that will last possibly a month or longer?..... cause if you think about it if alot of ppl get sick HOW will your food get to the islands or even from the docks/airport to the warehouses and from there to the stores? WHO will work the stores.... really think can your family live without those resources... because thats what you risk! your kids looking at you with hunger in their eyes and not being able to do anything because the state has declared martial law and ppl out and about can be shot on site....
so its your decision plan for a possible future or wen the possiblity comes about... you'll blame yourself for those other things that you had to worry about a few months back....really if all you do is grab some extra cans of tuna spam beans water ect really gonna add to your grocery bill? just buy it and start putting it in you closet or garage somewhere NOT in the kitchen and start saving....you might be glad you did. and if not the flu maybe Hurricane or tsunami, earthquake....you never know what might come and slap us upside the head.

[1stwahine]

Hui! Kaneohegirl! I may live MWH but dat doesn't mean I lack good judgement. My pantry is full of can goods, gallons of water and other supplies in case anything happens. I have medical supplies, Oxygen and medicines to last three months. Yes, I am always ready.

Toilet Paper, Rice, Paper Towels, etc. etc.

I am a mother of Military Soldiers!

Whatever happens - happens.

However, if I can prevent my loved ones and myself from suffering needlessly I will do anything in my power to prevent it from happening. Something as Big as this nature is nothing to laugh or not worry about. We have enough time to plan and prepare. If the Govt. has spent ukipila money to warn us...we should infact heed it's warning. To ignore it is plain Stupid!

I rest my case.

Auntie Lynn

[kaneohegirl]

Hui! Kaneohegirl! I may live MWH but dat doesn't mean I lack good judgement.
Auntie Lynn

I wasnt saying dat you not prepped I was trying to emphasize the "something coming" in your statement. I thought that that summed it up pretty darned good! I should have quoted the other person who said I no have time worry about it .... You know I goin go fix um... LOL

[kaneohegirl]

hmmmm no can edit the older post so I goin redo it here....



It's just that I have better things to worry about, than the bird flu right now.

1stwahine][/b]


It's a coming! :eek:

Auntie Lynn




you gotta figure somethings coming.... its been close to 100 yrs since there has been a major outbreak of a disease that kills as easily as the flu.
so if you think it cant happen I suggest you go to your cupboards/pantry right now and take a quick look.... do you have enough food that will last possibly a month or longer?..... cause if you think about it if alot of ppl get sick HOW will your food get to the islands or even from the docks/airport to the warehouses and from there to the stores? WHO will work the stores.... really think can your family live without those resources... because thats what you risk! your kids looking at you with hunger in their eyes and not being able to do anything because the state has declared martial law and ppl out and about can be shot on site....
so its your decision plan for a possible future or wen the possiblity comes about... you'll blame yourself for those other things that you had to worry about a few months back....really if all you do is grab some extra cans of tuna spam beans water ect really gonna add to your grocery bill? just buy it and start putting it in you closet or garage somewhere NOT in the kitchen and start saving....you might be glad you did. and if not the flu maybe Hurricane or tsunami, earthquake....you never know what might come and slap us upside the head.


ok so what i trying to convey is that anyone who no think this is important should stop and evaluate your household..... get prepped like Auntie Lynn.... I still working on it myself.... still need to get alot of things but a little at a time, and pretty soon you goin be set for any kine emergency.

[SusieMisajon]

Hey! None a you guys remember the dock strikes? No sugar, coffee, or toilet paper, anywhere, to be had.

Hawaii is so isolated...and do you really believe that anyone would care, and come and help? Who?

Ain't gonna be no FEMA tuna and powdered milk vans in your neighborhoods.

Prep now....consider it a form of insurance...if nothing happens, you can eat the premiums.

[SusieMisajon]

I hope dat you guys are getting ready for dis flu pandemic. Indonesia is causing headache for the WHO and the CDC, more human death in Turkey, more human sick in Romania, more sick birds in Denmark.

No excuses, now....make list of what your family uses, in a week, a month, a year...more, even. Imagine how da kids will do, without those things. No forget fuel, dishsoap, toothpaste...

Think Katrina, a zillion times over.

[SusieMisajon]

Please go out and buy some groceries. There's bad stuff, happening in Bucharest, Romania. They've quarantined two areas of the city, and shops are closed. Troops are in place, to stop escapers.

This would be SO easy to do, in Hawaii, you guys are perfect for isolating...and then you would starve. Or kill each other, trying not to. 'Collateral damage' will probably kill more people than the flu.

Go out and buy some groceries. Please. Today.

Screw the mountain dew, the clothes, the gameboys. To heck with the matching furniture, the fancy car, the vacation plans. Never mind the restaurant meals, the weekend nights out, and the dinner parties. Go. Now.

Do it for da keeds. You like be the one tell them dat dere's nothing more for eat?

You can call me lolo, if you like....but I rather be lolo, than right. If I jess lolo, we can all have a good laugh, after, eh?

[SusieMisajon]

For dose of you guys who are sick/tired/bored/fed-up/disbelievers/in lala land...go look at the bird flu thread, please.

This is just a public-service reminder.

[helen]

Hey! None a you guys remember the dock strikes? No sugar, coffee, or toilet paper, anywhere, to be had.

Hawaii is so isolated...and do you really believe that anyone would care, and come and help? Who?

You forgot to mention events like hurricane warnings (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6496), talking about the possibility of dock strikes, the threat of war half a world away.

In any event, even through I used up all of the drinks and batteries that was purchased during the last not so kind of panic buy (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=40712&postcount=24), I haven't even used any of the Spam cans and only this past Friday I used up one of the 15 cans of tuna.

[SusieMisajon]

You forgot to mention events like hurricane warnings (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6496), talking about the possibility of dock strikes, the threat of war half a world away.

In any event, even through I used up all of the drinks that was purchased during the last not so kind of panic buy (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=40712&postcount=24), I haven't even used any of the Spam cans and only this past Friday I used up one of the 15 cans of tuna.
That's a good start, Helen.

How long will 15 cans of tuna last you? The quarantine in Bucharest will be at least 21 days, and that's not even the start of a pandemic, yet.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Boy, and here I thought somebody telling us what to do all the way from Seattle was presumptuous.

[SusieMisajon]

Boy, and here I thought somebody telling us what to do all the way from Seattle was presumptuous.
Just because the girl has been taken out of Hawaii, doesn't mean that Hawaii has been taken out of the girl.

[helen]

There are 14 cans of tuna now. Not to mention 18 cans of spam. More than enough to last 5 days assuming a hurricane hits Oahu and knocks off power for that long.

But a 21 day quarantine put on Hawaii? I can only assume such a quarantine would restrict travel and trade to and from Hawaii but not travel within Hawaii or within an island. That being the case the first couple of days food would still be available at restaurants. After that then use up the stocked supplies at home.

[SusieMisajon]

There are 14 cans of tuna now. Not to mention 18 cans of spam. More than enough to last 5 days assuming a hurricane hits Oahu and knocks off power for that long.

But a 21 day quarantine put on Hawaii? I can only assume such a quarantine would restrict travel and trade to and from Hawaii but not travel within Hawaii or within an island. That being the case the first couple of days food would still be available at restaurants. After that then use up the stocked supplies at home.
Can you imagine the run on groceries, should something like that happen? I remember the dock strike, back in the late sixties...the stores were sold out pretty quickly.

The difference between a hurricane and a pandemic is that with a pandemic, people might be too sick, or afraid, to go outside. Plus, you may be quarantined at home....the government has a new catchphrase for this, 'social distancing'...it sounds so much less frightening than 'quarantine', doesn't it?

Bucharest stores and schools have been closed down. Restaurants, too, I imagine.

In the middle of a pandemic, I don't plan to go out, to work or school, or to eat at any restaurants...who knows who might pass on an illness. Are you sure that restaurant workers would even show up for work? I hear you've recently had a butane/propane shortage, over there....suppose it was gasoline, too?

And suppose, as some already do, that a pandemic might last, with several 'waves', for as long as 18 months? After that kind of thing, you cant just come out, blinking into the sunshine, and expect the stores to be up and running, right away. Especially in Hawaii.

[kaneohegirl]

Boy, and here I thought somebody telling us what to do all the way from Seattle was presumptuous.

So what... do you think Just cause we are a world away we dont care? That we dont have family/friends still living there? I think thats pretty presumptuous of you.

do you think that something that is happening in europe is something that is of no concern to you and your family? does being an island in the middle of the pacific mean that things that are happening half a world away are things that in no way shape or form can affect you, your kids, your job, your life? ok then mayyybe europe is too far how about Indonesia? is that close enough for you? thats on the other side still far away but still closer...

Hawaii is one of the MOST traveled to destinations in the world IF(and thats just saying if) this BF thing goes the way of a plaugue type bug how long do you think it would take for Hawaii to be affected?

what do you think QUARANTINE means? oh no mean nothing I still goin be able to go store/resturant/work/beach... as long as I not sick...no matter.

from Dictionary.com:...quar·an·tine

A period of time during which a vehicle, person, or material suspected of carrying a contagious disease is detained at a port of entry under enforced isolation to prevent disease from entering a country.
A place for such detention.

Enforced isolation or restriction of free movement imposed to prevent the spread of contagious disease.
A condition of enforced isolation.
A period of 40 days.
no it means they are gonna want you to stay in your home and NOT go anywhere ideally....so when your food starts to run low and you venture out to get more how many others of the 1,211,537(state population) will you be in line with waiting to get more food from warehouses? how long will those supplies last? will the government be making airdrops? who knows.. right now the US government says "dont depend on us" if things go bad... look at what Katrina victims suffered.... it would be 10x worse


these areas of Bucharest that she is talking about could one day be Honolulu, Kaneohe, Lahina, Kona, any city/town, heck the whole state possibly. hey if the state got quarantined that means NO SHIPS & NO PLANES would be landing there.

so if someone here tries to give you a heads up on the happenings of the world around them that could in some way impact you sometime in the possible future is too presumptuous... Why not just close this board to all that are not located in Hawaii?

look beyond your backyard... cause it, one day could be in your backyard...
better safe than sorry

[1stwahine]

I found this interesting article tonight I'd like to share...
https://www.epimodels.org/midasdocs/Flu-Articles/antivirals.pdf

Auntie Lynn

[kaneohegirl]

Tamifulu....at full recommended WHO/CDC dosage guidelines there currently exists enough TamiFlu to cover LESS THAN 1 PERCENT (0.72%)of the US population.

food for thought... scary huh?

[Glen Miyashiro]

Sigh.

So what... do you think Just cause we are a world away we dont care? That we dont have family/friends still living there? I think thats pretty presumptuous of you.Thank you for your concern.

[SusieMisajon]

Sigh.

Thank you for your concern.
I don't, exactly, understand what 'attutude' it is, that you're trying to convey?

You know, wid your first 'crack' at me, I had to restrain my fingers, to keep them polite....they were screaming to type "Den, Die...Sucker!"...but, I figger dass jess the way da guy is. Live and let live. Or, in my case, live and hope that others live, too.

An now, you doin em, again.

So what, Glen....you prepping, or not? Cause, believe it, or not, THAT is the point of this thread.

[Palolo Joe]

I hear ya, Glen. And I would love to respond.

But I can't.

While others get to yap away. Love it.

[SusieMisajon]

I hear ya, Glen. And I would love to respond.

But I can't.

While others get to yap away. Love it.
Nice place, dis. LOTS of aloha.

Okay...here's some more GLOBAL flu information for you.

Indonesia has begun quarantine, of the people/village where the latest family cluster has happened.

Siberia has quarantined four areas, where birds have been found to be sick...it's not too clear, just yet, if people have been sickened.

Romania is continuing quarantine.

The WHO is getting very concerned that BF (bird flu) has reached a point where it can easily pass fromm human to human to human.

It's time to really start thinking that this could become a pandemic, with all the nightmares becoming reality. PLEASE go out now, before panic sets in, and prep. Prepping is expensive, and takes alot of time and energy. THINK ABOUT IT!

[SusieMisajon]

The World Health Organization (UN's WHO), has put the makers of Tamiflu on alert. Something must be VERY worrying, in Indonesia.

Go and prep. (Yes, I'm TELLING you to do it)

IF human to human BF transmission happens, now, in Indonesia.....AND the recent earthquake disrupts services/transport.....HOW will a 'Tamiflu Blanket' (which may/may not work against BF) be implemented?

Think: Food water meds fuel hygiene

[newroots]

your like the person nobody listens to in the movies... but they should listen to..but they only listen when its too late.. in guam theres alot of cock fighting.. people dont give a care about the flu virus.. that worries me

[SusieMisajon]

Indonesia (actually, the UN'S World Health Organization) has gone past asking the makers of Tamiflu to 'maybe' hold some for them, and has asked for it to be shipped, ASAP.

Roumania has 88 confirmed, and 23 suspected cases (birds).

[SusieMisajon]

Oprah is showing a re-run of her bird flu program, today.

[SusieMisajon]

So....anyone watch Oprah? It's an old show, lots has happened, since then.

The ECDC...that's the European Center for Disease Control...has but it's nations in high gear, for a pandemic. Not that you'd notice, in this small French town.

[SusieMisajon]

There is another human BF suspected case in Indonesia. This one is a nurse, who has never had chicken contact, but DID help to take care of two of the recent BF human cases, in the hospital, where she works.

[newroots]

bird flu , floods , earthquakes , typhoons ,war.. all of this happening at once.. its almost surreal. can you remember a time like this before?

[Leo Lakio]

Boy, and here I thought somebody telling us what to do all the way from Seattle was presumptuous.Glen - you got me smiling in Seattle!

There's a big pocket of Hawai`i in the Puget Sound region these days; lots of folks here from the Islands, who still live by Island ways to the best of their abilities (and many have been kind enough to include me in their lives, though I am not from Hawai`i.)

If they give advice from Seattle, consider that it could be motivated by love for their true home 3000 miles away.

Or not - whatevahs. Advice is easy and painless to ignore, most of the time.

[SusieMisajon]

Hello, I'm back, after a long weekend, spent fishing.

There's another family cluster in Indonesia.

[SusieMisajon]

Four sick Indionesian nurses, all of them having had contact with the last two BF family cluster victims. So far, they nest negative (this often happens, at first).

The UN's WHO has said that they fear the BF situation, in Indonesia, may get out of control.

What more do you need, to go out and prep!?

[MadAzza]

Four sick Indionesian nurses, all of them having had contact with the last two BF family cluster victims. So far, they nest negative (this often happens, at first).

The UN's WHO has said that they fear the BF situation, in Indonesia, may get out of control.

What more do you need, to go out and prep!?

I did "prep." I decided to go back to Italy this year, or perhaps Scotland, instead of Indonesia.

[SusieMisajon]

I did "prep." I decided to go back to Italy this year, or perhaps Scotland, instead of Indonesia.
Come and visit us, we'll go up into the Pyrenees. Don't forget your camera.

[tutusue]

I did "prep." I decided to go back to Italy this year, or perhaps Scotland, instead of Indonesia.
Interesting that you should mention Italy, Maddie. Just today I received a url for the photos (http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=2hjakc0p.861dejep&Uy=in76h1&Ux=1) my daughter took on her trip to Italy last month. She was part of a group of 7 who visited the Amalfi Coast and Umbria. They stayed in a beautiful villa (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22The+Villa+Tre+Grazie%22&btnG=Google+Search) in Todi. I think Italy is luring Staci away from a possible move back home to Hawaii :(

[manoasurfer123]

Thank you Pupule for starting this thread...

thank you admins for giving users the option to ignore people.

Sorry Auntie if you feel this thread has gone in the wrong direction because of someone.

Manoa

[1stwahine]

Thank you Pupule for starting this thread...

thank you admins for giving users the option to ignore people.

Sorry Auntie if you feel this thread has gone in the wrong direction because of someone.

Manoa

My Deadly Flu Thread went... :confused:

Auntie Lynn :(

[SusieMisajon]

One more sick baby, in Indonesia. This time, the victim is in TOTAL isolation.

AND....Indonesia has said that, yes, there HAVE been human to human transmissions, in some of the recent family clusters. No wonder the poor baby is in isolation.

Bugger!

Please go and prep.

[WindwardOahuRN]

One more sick baby, in Indonesia. This time, the victim is in TOTAL isolation.

AND....Indonesia has said that, yes, there HAVE been human to human transmissions, in some of the recent family clusters. No wonder the poor baby is in isolation.

Bugger!

Please go and prep.

I have not had time to read the entire thread and apologize if this link has been posted before, but I think it would serve some of us well if we checked out the official CDC info about the avian flu:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/index.htm

I remember the SARS scare of a few years ago. Every patient we had who had been even remotely connected to travel to Asia was quarantined until cleared.

Not one case in Hawaii, IIRC. Hopefully, it will be the same for the Avian Flu.

[SusieMisajon]

I have not had time to read the entire thread and apologize if this link has been posted before, but I think it would serve some of us well if we checked out the official CDC info about the avian flu:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/index.htm

I remember the SARS scare of a few years ago. Every patient we had who had been even remotely connected to travel to Asia was quarantined until cleared.

Not one case in Hawaii, IIRC. Hopefully, it will be the same for the Avian Flu.
Nice to have you, here. Could you please take a peek, at the 'practical preps' thread, and fill in some blanks?

[WindwardOahuRN]

Nice to have you, here. Could you please take a peek, at the 'practical preps' thread, and fill in some blanks?

I took a look.

While I do believe it is wise to have a bit of stockpiled bottled water, canned goods, non-perishables, and personal essentials, I find it hard to get into the "doomsday prep" mode without any evidence of a real "doomsday" looming in my immediate future.

Just think. You could be prepared to the max for a major catastrophe and then slip in the shower, hit your head, and die. All that angst for nothing.

That's just life, eh?

[SusieMisajon]

I took a look.

While I do believe it is wise to have a bit of stockpiled bottled water, canned goods, non-perishables, and personal essentials, I find it hard to get into the "doomsday prep" mode without any evidence of a real "doomsday" looming in my immediate future.

Just think. You could be prepared to the max for a major catastrophe and then slip in the shower, hit your head, and die. All that angst for nothing.

That's just life, eh?
At what point would you consider a pandemic 'looming'?

(this is a question for everybody)

[helen]

At what point would you consider a pandemic 'looming'?

For me, it would be on the advice of at least the State of Hawaii Department of Health saying that such a disease is going to hit Hawaii soon.

Other than that right now, whatever things I will be buying to stock up on would be for the event of a hurricane.

[1stwahine]

For me, it would be on the advice of at least the State of Hawaii Department of Health saying that such a disease is going to hit Hawaii soon.

Other than that right now, whatever things I will be buying to stock up on would be for the event of a hurricane.

On May 12, 2006 #25 I posted the following information:

In today's StarBulletin: http://starbulletin.com/2006/05/12/news/story09.html

"State opens online pandemic resource"

"Islanders who want to know more about avian flu and how to prepare for a possible global pandemic can find comprehensive information on a new state Department of Health Web page."

Helen, It's always great to prepare. I did. I have also learned over the weeks not to get worked up and "paranoid" over it. Anything can happen. When it is our time to go ~ we will go.

When I started this thread it was to make others aware of the Avian Flu/Bird Flu/Pandemic and for others members to post updates as well. All of us have our own beliefs and ways in which we live our lives. We can only "give our opinions." No one's way of life is better, safer, or full proof from harm. We are all Humans. ;)

Respect and Smile is what I've learned to do these past few weeks in reading some of the posts. Life itself can be taken at anytime. Yes, please do prepare. Don't go overboard. Above all ~ don't ever get PARANOID! :eek:

Auntie Lynn

[WindwardOahuRN]

I haven't read much about preparing for a pandemic but what always amazes me about such articles is how the health care community is portrayed---as if WE, garbed as we will be in our incredibly uncomfortable medical hazmat gear, are not going to be touched by illness and death. That WE will be there, no questions asked, to care for the sick and dying.
I would imagine that many nurses and physicians will not be all that willing to risk their lives and the lives of their own loved ones by continually exposing themselves to the victims of a pandemic.
I almost hate to say this in a public forum but I have heard many fellow nurses say that they would not show up if called to work in a pandemic treatment center. Personally, I don't know what I would do. If my family were ill at home, would I leave them and rush in to give aid to strangers?
As with any pandemic, there will be those who will be naturally immune to the virus. It has been so throughout history, even with the AIDS virus (google "delta 32" for more info). We can hope that it will be so with whatever hits us next.
As far as when I would feel a pandemic was "looming"? I would go with the CDC bulletins, warnings, and recommendations. They tend to be quite level-headed about these things. I would also be inclined to ignore media hype and "movie of the week" crap.
Bottled water and cheese-in-a-can, some vodka for medicinal purposes only. My survival kit.... :D

[SusieMisajon]

If I remember correctly, Canada has passed a law, making it illegal for health-care workers to stay home, during a pandemic. I guess that it's their way of prepping.

I suspect that we may need healthy health-care workers more after, than during. Perhaps...if a pandemic should be as bad as feared...flu cases should be refused, in order to try to continue with the 'normal' rest of the world's illnesses?

'Social distancing', and trying to avoid catching an illness, is sounding better and better.

[WindwardOahuRN]

Enforcement would be a challenge. I would venture to guess that many nurses and other health care workers would toss in their licenses rather than leave their families at such a time. And just how would they KEEP the health care workers at the treatment centers? Shackles, threats, armed guards? Now really.

Health care workers are human beings, after all. Put the angelic portrayals aside, please. Yes, we are pledged to do our very best to assist the sick and dying but I don't recall signing anything that required me to give my life as a condition of employment. If a virus is so highly transmittable that virtually all who come in contact with it are in extreme danger of being infected and passing it on to loved ones and others, I could foresee health care workers bolting the hell out of that environment in droves. It is human nature, survival instinct---supercedes any employment contract, oath, or professional license.

Simply stated, we do not have the resources to deal with a huge pandemic. Not enough personnel, equipment---the logistics suck. People are going to die, period. As ugly as it sounds, triaging will be done to separate those with dismal prognoses from those who are viable.

[SusieMisajon]

What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.

[SusieMisajon]

One more human to human case, this time in China. A truck driver. Gotta hope that he doesn't have the easily spread type, and has driven all over, spreading it.

[SusieMisajon]

The Hong Kong Government is 'quite concerned', as it seems that this truck driver may have been in contact with trucks and drivers coming into/going out of Hong Kong. Plus, it doesn't seem as if this sick man has had any contact with chickens.

So....that leaves pigs, cats, other mammals...humans. Human to human transmission has now been admitted, albeit weak transmission, in Indonesia.

[WindwardOahuRN]

What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.

I haven't heard these noises from Canada. And as I said before, anything like what you are talking about would be unenforceable. If a health care worker does not want to TOUCH a person with the Avian flu, how the hell is anyone going to make them do it? Will the enforcers march a quivering nurse into the courtyard and put a bullet through his or her head as an example to other rebellious health care workers? Shoot the offender's family members one by one until the worker caves?

It's not going to happen.

Forfeit the license to practice and the dispute is over.

Puhleeeeze.

[SusieMisajon]

I haven't heard these noises from Canada. And as I said before, anything like what you are talking about would be unenforceable. If a health care worker does not want to TOUCH a person with the Avian flu, how the hell is anyone going to make them do it? Will the enforcers march a quivering nurse into the courtyard and put a bullet through his or her head as an example to other rebellious health care workers? Shoot the offender's family members one by one until the worker caves?

It's not going to happen.

Forfeit the license to practice and the dispute is over.

Puhleeeeze.
Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...

[WindwardOahuRN]

Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...

Ah well. Whatever.

If a place is quarantined then whoever is in there at the time will just have to stay put. It's always been that way---it is a violation of the law to go against quarantine. If I get stuck in a hospital under quarantine then I guess that's where I will be stuck. No choice about it.

That is a far different scenario than the rounding up of health care workers and hauling them off to hospitals and treatment centers.

Frankly, my panties shall remain calmly un-bunched for the time being. I am just not all that prone to Henny-Penny histrionics. Serves me quite well, especially in the area in which I work.

[SusieMisajon]

Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...
It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter.

Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.

[Leo Lakio]

It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter. Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.So...UK then, not Canada?

[SusieMisajon]

So...UK then, not Canada?
No, it's Canada...I think that there's a London there, too. Kinda like Paris, Texas, I guess.

[WindwardOahuRN]

It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter.

Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.

Oh for heaven's sake. More Henny-Penny stuff.

A little research reveals the intent and content of the PROPOSED bill (and do you seriously think the Doc Lobbies of any country's government would sit still for such legislation?):

http://www.cmaj.ca/news/22b_03_06.shtml

:::Panties remain unbunched:::

[Leo Lakio]

No, it's Canada...I think that there's a London there, too. Kinda like Paris, Texas, I guess.Well, there's a London, Ontario --- but Canadians use their own dollars, and this fine was listed in pounds, so I was confused. But WORN's link confirms that it's Canada.

[SusieMisajon]

All said....it shows that those in charge are concerned. THEY have their knickers in a twist, even if some of us don't.

[SusieMisajon]

Oh for heaven's sake. More Henny-Penny stuff.

A little research reveals the intent and content of the PROPOSED bill (and do you seriously think the Doc Lobbies of any country's government would sit still for such legislation?):

http://www.cmaj.ca/news/22b_03_06.shtml

:::Panties remain unbunched:::
Has the place where you work gone 'Henny-Penny', or have they not done any pandemic planning?

Just wondering.

[WindwardOahuRN]

Has the place where you work gone 'Henny-Penny', or have they not done any pandemic planning?

Just wondering.

Here's some info on what's been going on in Hawaii as far as pandemic preparation goes:

http://www.hawaii.gov/health/family-child-health/contagious-disease/communications/pandemicflu.html

No Henny-Penny activity noted, nor expected. Panic is just not a productive reaction in the health-care field. Most panic-prone folks are weeded out of the business pretty quickly, IME. They either leave of their own accord or are slapped to death by their co-workers.

[helen]

One more human to human case, this time in China. A truck driver. Gotta hope that he doesn't have the easily spread type, and has driven all over, spreading it.
So you don't know if this person came down with the H5N1 version?

[WindwardOahuRN]

So you don't know if this person came down with the H5N1 version?

It would be helpful if Susie could post links to the blurbs. To round out the stories a bit, if nothing else.

Sometimes the posts just feel like drive-by shootings... :(

Susie?

[SusieMisajon]

It would be helpful if Susie could post links to the blurbs. To round out the stories a bit, if nothing else.

Sometimes the posts just feel like drive-by shootings... :(

Susie?
Teach me how to do that, please, and I'd be happy to.

[SusieMisajon]

So you don't know if this person came down with the H5N1 version?
The WHO is expecting to confirm...but there are many mutations...bird to human, human to human...maybe pig to human, or eventually, cat or dog to human...

[WindwardOahuRN]

Teach me how to do that, please, and I'd be happy to.

I don't know what browser you're using but regardless, you can just cut the URL from the browser tool bar (it should be showing the URL you are presently reading) and then paste it in the body of your post.

Some browsers allow you to click and drag the URL over to a post or e-mail.

Or, you can just type the URL into the body of your post, hoping that you don't succumb to digital dyslexia and inadvertently send your readers to Katmandu.

[SusieMisajon]

Thank you. I understand maybe one word in two, of what you are trying to teach me...but I think that I can find someone to help me 'get it'.

I'll just go off and practice...

[WindwardOahuRN]

Thank you. I understand maybe one word in two, of what you are trying to teach me...but I think that I can find someone to help me 'get it'.

I'll just go off and practice...

Good luck!

It just helps with the flow of a thread if you can supply supporting evidence of your post and others can see what you're talking about, I think.

[SusieMisajon]

It would be helpful if Susie could post links to the blurbs. To round out the stories a bit, if nothing else.

Sometimes the posts just feel like drive-by shootings... :(

Susie?
Sorry to do this, again...but I haven't a reference to give you....

A TIME reporter, working in Indonesia, has come down wth a suspected case of BF. He is in Indonesia, and had recently covered both a chicken-culling, and a BF victim's funeral.

[SusieMisajon]

If you want more, up-to-date information, you can go to CurEvents.com. But beware. (don't say that I didn't warn you)

[SusieMisajon]

So you don't know if this person came down with the H5N1 version?
Confirmed...H5N1

[Leo Lakio]

Thank you. I understand maybe one word in two, of what you are trying to teach me...but I think that I can find someone to help me 'get it'.

I'll just go off and practice...Hi, Susie. You can always send a Private Message to one of the helpful folks here, like helen or admin, and they can walk you through things like this further - but the basic way to put a link in your posting is to copy and paste the URL (you know, the address that starts with "http://www.watevahs...") into your message; but add the letters url in brackets (these: []) in front of the "http", and put /url (don't forget that slash) in brackets at the end of the address.

Before you submit your posting, press the "Preview Post" bar, to see if it looks right; the web address should appear as an underlined, rust-colored text link. There are also ways to call that link a name or words other than the boring URL info, but that's another lesson.

[SusieMisajon]

Hi, Susie. You can always send a Private Message to one of the helpful folks here, like helen or admin, and they can walk you through things like this further - but the basic way to put a link in your posting is to copy and paste the URL (you know, the address that starts with "http://www.watevahs...") into your message; but add the letters url in brackets (these: []) in front of the "http", and put /url (don't forget that slash) in brackets at the end of the address.

Before you submit your posting, press the "Preview Post" bar, to see if it looks right; the web address should appear as an underlined, rust-colored text link. There are also ways to call that link a name or words other than the boring URL info, but that's another lesson.

KK...I going try um....

[craigwatanabe]

So.....back to the flu virus...I think it's a conspiracy :cool:...but I have no proof of that :rolleyes: But ultimately...it'll be Bush's fault :eek: for wearing Laura's thongs :confused:

[SusieMisajon]

Sorry to do this, again...but I haven't a reference to give you....

A TIME reporter, working in Indonesia, has come down wth a suspected case of BF. He is in Indonesia, and had recently covered both a chicken-culling, and a BF victim's funeral.
Whoops! Not TIME, but TEMPO, a local rag.

[SusieMisajon]

So.....back to the flu virus...I think it's a conspiracy :cool:...but I have no proof of that :rolleyes: But ultimately...it'll be Bush's fault :eek: for wearing Laura's thongs :confused:
Um....what is it, that nobody seems to understand the meaning of the word 'pandemic'?

[helen]

Whoops! Not TIME, but TEMPO, a local rag.Local to where? France? Indonesia? Hawaii?

[Leo Lakio]

Um....what is it, that nobody seems to understand the meaning of the word 'pandemic'?From everybody's favorite resource, the ever-trustworthy Wikipedia:
"According to the World Health Organization, a pandemic can start when three conditions have been met:
* the emergence of a disease new to the population
* the agent infects humans, causing serious illness
* the agent spreads easily and sustainably among humans
A disease or condition is not a pandemic merely because it is widespread or kills a large number of people; it must also be infectious."

I don't believe H5N1 fits WHO's third qualifier...yet.

[SusieMisajon]

Local to where? France? Indonesia? Hawaii?
Indonesia...not that it matters to the reporter.

[SusieMisajon]

From everybody's favorite resource, the ever-trustworthy Wikipedia:
"According to the World Health Organization, a pandemic can start when three conditions have been met:
* the emergence of a disease new to the population
* the agent infects humans, causing serious illness
* the agent spreads easily and sustainably among humans
A disease or condition is not a pandemic merely because it is widespread or kills a large number of people; it must also be infectious."

I don't believe H5N1 fits WHO's third qualifier...yet.
Do you realize what would happen, if the WHO admitted that the pandemic level had gone up? They have already changed their wording, in order to avoid just this. I firmly believe that there will be no level changes, until we find ourselves in full-blown pandemic.

[Leo Lakio]

They have already changed their wordingWhat was it before? Can you find a citation or link to share?

[SusieMisajon]

What was it before? Can you find a citation or link to share?
Yes, I can. Hang on.

[LikaNui]

Do you realize what would happen, if the WHO admitted that the pandemic level had gone up? Sure. Pete Townsend would create yet another fantastic WHO album.
:p
Couldn't resist. My bad. Carry on.
:o

[SusieMisajon]

What was it before? Can you find a citation or link to share?
Buggah! I've got it, but it won't behave, and get in here! Hang on some more, den...I stay trying fix um!

[SusieMisajon]

http://www.physorg.com/news69608997.html

Here's some local BF 'trivia', for you non-believers...

These people are trying to figure out how to keep sick tourists from leaving their hotels, and wondering if hotel housekepers can be trained to spot BF victims. They're also dealing with what'll happen to people who try to leave their homes in violation of the quarantine laws.

[SusieMisajon]

(don't think that I know how to do that URL thingy...I just copied it, stroke for stroke, on my keyboard)

[SusieMisajon]

Two more Indonesian teenagers.

One suspect baby goose...in Canada.

[SusieMisajon]

There are suspicions, in Indonesia, that the virus has mutated slightly. And that there are TWO variations going around...one for birds, and one for mammals.

[helen]

Two more Indonesian teenagers.

One suspect baby goose...in Canada.
This is really cyptic. So these Indonesian teenagers and the baby goose were their in the same area in Canada? Are they cases as in they came down with the H5N1 flu or did they die from it?

[SusieMisajon]

This is really cyptic. So these Indonesian teenagers and the baby goose were their in the same area in Canada? Are they cases as in they came down with the H5N1 flu or did they die from it?
The goose died...Prince Edward Island, it was part of a backyard flock of 30. For the goose, It is H5N, but the 1 has yet to be confirmed.

The Indonesian boys were in Indonesia. One confirmed, still alive, one confirmed, died.

I'll be right over, Helen, I cannot figure this bringing URL stuff out.

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