The Religious Left v. the Religious Right

[Miulang]

I can hardly wait to see who wins this battle (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/afplifestyleusreligion;_ylt=Am0aTbxW1gJ3RFOSSKMCtB Cs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-)...Is one version of God better than the other? Which God is more powerful and closer to the Bible?

God only knows (pardon the pun). :)

Miulang

[kimo55]

I can hardly wait to see who wins this battle
do yerself a favor and save yerself now. run away from it and never turn back. this kinda junk is poison to the brain and to thinking intelligent individuals.
Don't get caught up in it!

[scrivener]

this kinda junk is poison to the brain and to thinking intelligent individuals.
Now, hang on.

"Running away from it" is certainly one response, but here's another: Read the article and hear what some people have to say about it, as Miulang did in the original post.

Jim Wallis is a person politically-attentive Americans should at least be aware of. Not only has his book been on the NYT bestseller list for months, but it has spawned monthly discussion groups in Honolulu and other cities where left-leaning Christians have had to ask themselves what happened last November.

The organization mentioned in the article, Sojourners, is not a political organization; it is a social action organization, focusing on Christians' taking part in work that feeds the hungry, helps the poor, and sticks up for the underdog.

Sojourners and Jim Wallis are just disappointed that the President Bush version of the American Evangelical church is the one people are calling "religious America."

Miulang, it's not an issue of whose God is right or more powerful. Please don't look at this movement this way. What's being contested is NOT who God is, or whose God can beat up whose. The issue is what role a Christians' faith is supposed to play in politics and government.

I'm jumping in on this conversation because it's very easy for me, a socially liberal, politically conservative, worshipping Christian, to point to the Christian Bush supporters and say they're idiots for voting the way they do, but that's not solving anything and it's certainly not getting my candidates into office. It's much less easy to try to figure out how these people, motivated by a love for the same God I love, can see things so very differently from the way I see them. What Jim Wallis's book and what the Sojourners are trying to do is figure that out.

The religious right's allies in the powerful conservative talk radio sector are ready to smother any progressive Christian movement at birth.
Please note that this article is saying it's a showdown between political movements, not religions.

"The religious left in this country hates and despises the God of Christianity and Catholicism and whatever else," the high priest of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, said on his show April 27. "They despise it because they fear it and it's a threat, because that God has moral absolutes, that God has right and wrong, that God doesn't deal in nuance."
Okay. Something that should be pointed out here, although I hope it's not necessary, is that Rush Limbaugh is not a particularly religious man. Just the way he phrases the first sentence in this quote is evidence enough. He doesn't know the phrasing here. That "whatever else" is what people say when they don't really know what they're saying. The use of the pronoun "it" in reference to "the God of Christianity" is further evidence that what Limbaugh's doing here is motivated more by the desire to get people agitated than by the desire to get it right, and that's okay. I'm fine with that. What I have a problem with is that people will hear this and think Limbaugh speaks for the religious right, and that's simply not true, since he's not one of them.

The other thing I want to say about this quote is that Limbaugh's also missing the point; if there is indeed a progressive Christian movement, it isn't the least bit interested in denying that there are absolute rights and wrongs. What's at issue here is how much politics and government are supposed to play a role in that. Believe it or not, there are Christians who can separate the two issues.

I'm concerned that people will only hear voices like Limbaugh's on one end and Kimo's on the other, and not hear that there are some believers stuck in the middle here, trying to come to terms with our differences.

[1stwahine]

Yeah, like me. I can swear like hell in my blogg but always at the end, I put God bless you and your family. God bless AMERICA. In the name of Jesus, amen.

God doesn't want the saved. He's looking for the sinners. I was born a sinner and still a sinner...yet, by the grace of God, I have made it through some major things. Yeah, I'm in the middle and seeking my difference.

Auntie Lynn aka Auntie Pupule

[Pedro]

Scrivener,

That is true what you said. I know of people who can't seperate Politics Right and Wrong in a Christianity Environment. I know two boys who commited suicide in the Mormon Church a few years back because they couldn't seperate those two, and because they were trying to live their lives in a Mormon Environment where they dictate you by right and wrong by their own Covenant. Basically you had to be a GOODIE TOO SHOE. I wished that those two boys were still alive they were good boys. I don't blame Christianity for thier own demise, they had a choice in their lives and they took it right or wrong. I believe in God and OFF the Record I hope they are up there. I believe that GOD is a GOD of forgiveness, love and compassion. :) I aint about to compare my God with others as long as their God bring meaning in their life that's all.

[Miulang]

I just find it ironic in a country that was founded, 229 years ago on this day, on the premise that religious freedom was an unalienable right and that religious matters have no business in government, that issues like this still need to be debated.

As an agnostic who's had the opportunity to sample many religions in my life (and who has tried to live the "best parts" from each one), the only issue I have right now is with the way the current Administration and Congress (and maybe soon the Supreme Court) are allowing their religious beliefs to cause such sturm und drang. Since I really can (and do) tolerate most religious ideologies (as long as they don't try to convert me), I am just amused that some people need to justify their decisions solely on what a religious leader (or a talk show host) says. If people need to rely on their religion to lead stable lives, that's fine. Just don't try to foist your ideology on me.

Can you say, "baaaaaaaa"?

Miulang

[Pedro]

Forcing anything on anybody is wrong including Religion. You have the right to live peacefully and enjoy your life, with or without a religion to guide you, as long as you know what you are doing and what you want out of life, which most people don't but they try anyways. :D I try not to force my ideals on to anybody and most of the time I never or hardly talk about religion because it is a very sensitive subject. You don't need a Religion to differentiate between right and wrong and what we can and cannot do. We are the judges of what we do and what we feel is right and wrong. I've been to many Religions except Budhism and Satanic Church and debated with certain priest over these issues. One time this Pastor for some Christian Church told me that I shouldn't be taking Kung Fu on Saturday morning because I should be at Quire singing praising God. He said something about Kung Fu being Evil. I got angry with the guy because who is he to tell me what I can and cannot do on my own time, and walked out and never came back. After that I don't think I attend Church anymore, but I still believe in God.

[junebloom]

Aloha everyone

I have a question for Auntie Lynn Could you elaborate on what you mean by your statement?

Really just curious as to what your personal opinions about Christianity are?
Not to offend anyone by any means.


God doesn't want the saved. He's looking for the sinners. I was born a sinner and still a sinner...yet, by the grace of God, I have made it through some major things. Yeah, I'm in the middle and seeking my difference.

[kimo55]

And on another note I don't know if mormons consider themselves Christians since there into a man name Joseph Smith to my understanding?


uh, like; dunno if the catholics are christians cuz they are into a guy named "the pope" ?

[Pedro]

Aloha everyone

I have a question for Auntie Lynn Could you elaborate on what you mean by your statement?

Really just curious as to what your personal opinions about Christianity are?
Not to offend anyone by any means.

Yeah, like me. I can swear like hell in my blogg but always at the end, I put God bless you and your family. God bless AMERICA. In the name of Jesus, amen.

God doesn't want the saved. He's looking for the sinners. I was born a sinner and still a sinner...yet, by the grace of God, I have made it through some major things. Yeah, I'm in the middle and seeking my difference.


And on another note I don't know if mormons consider themselves Christians since there into a man name Joseph Smith to my understanding?

About Mormonism. It's talked about whether or not they are Christians just because they believe in a Dude named Joseph Smith. Tell you what. I was raised Mormon and they believe in the same thing that every Christian believes in which is Jesus Died on the Cross for the Sins of man, and any religion who believes in it are Christians. Now about this Joseph Smith guy, they believe that he is Prophet that interpreted sacred golden tablets given to him by God, and that he had a vision that the old way of Christianity wasn't a good way anymore, so new covenants and doctrines were added on which is the foundation of Mormon Doctrine and way of life. I couldn't really stand to live that way because how could you go your whole life without commiting at least one sin such as drinking and going to bars, watching rated R movies, drinking Coffee, and Soda and Tea, and looking at naughty pictures? Mormonism is Christianity but more about self sacrifice and I figure I want to do everything except going to jail for stuped things and Drugs. I don't want to go any further with this subject so SUBJECT CLOSE. I DON'T NEED TO SAY ANYMORE.

[kimo55]

I was raised Mormon and they believe in the same thing that every Christian believes in which is...

... their religion/splinter group/cult is the only true conduit to a decent seat up on yer own cloud somewhere in close proximity to their own version of an anthropomorphic deity.
(god was created in man's image)

[junebloom]

First of all the pope is not a deity

Second of all case close I said to my understanding meaning what I have heard about mormons. But the one thing I can say from my own experiences with mormons they seem to have anger when it comes to someone questioning their beliefs or a sarcastice view as if know one is allowed to question or disagree with anything they say you are more proof of that. Is that what Chrisitianity is about? Is that how Christian act to people who are looking for an honest answer? But any way Pedro I do apologize for offending you, your religion, any other mormon or anyone that may read this post stating I don't know if mormons really considers themselves Christians because of the ones that I have dealt with and having a friend that was a mormon and what I've heard about Joseph Smith. I do apologize to you all.
peace to ya

[kimo55]

mormons they seem to have anger when it comes to someone questioning their beliefs or a sarcastice view as if know one is allowed to question or disagree with anything they say



I dunno if mormons have a lock on this kinda reaction. Depends on the in-duh-vidual. All people of all religions have the capacity to react this way and many do. also many are cool about it and just smile, fart and walk away...

[Pedro]

First of all the pope is not a deity

Second of all case close I said to my understanding meaning what I have heard about mormons. But the one thing I can say from my own experiences with mormons they seem to have anger when it comes to someone questioning their beliefs or a sarcastice view as if know one is allowed to question or disagree with anything they say you are more proof of that. Is that what Chrisitianity is about? Is that how Christian act to people who are looking for an honest answer? Doesn't seem to appealing Pedro but any way peace to ya

Like I said CASE CLOSE. I could care less of what you think of Mormonism and me, but whatevers. The one thing I remember most is of people wearing nice flashy suits at church while I wore old worn white shirts and beat up pants. Yeah people did buy me some clothes but I was constantly watched and underminded. When my parents went to church they were scorned for being young having so many kids and most of all BEING POOR! We were the joke of the church, laughed at. When my parents couldn't endure anymore they left, but me I stuck in there for a while, than my sister started coming with me. But still the judgement and the hypocracy still continued. The one thing they were trying to get me to do was go on a mission, and complete my Boy Scout Eagle Rank, but without the help of my parents I was on my own. People asked to see them but in a snide sort of way. The people really did judge you not just on what you did but more so on your social status. Most people in my church had such high egos about themselves that it was sickening. When I got older I decided I had just about enough of the Bull and that's when I decided to leave for GOOD!

Sorry about getting worked up. Usually I am blundt and straight foward when I say things and I realize I may have gone a little too far. No hard feelings and peace be unto you as well. :D

[kimo55]

Like I said CASE CLOSE. I could care less of what you think of Mormonism and me, but whatevers. The one thing I remember most is of people wearing nice flashy suits at church while I wore old worn white shirts and beat up pants. Yeah people did buy me some clothes but I was constantly watched and underminded. When my parents went to church they were scorned for being young having so many kids and most of all BEING POOR! We were the joke of the church, laughed at. When my parents couldn't endure anymore they left, but me I stuck in there for a while, than my sister started coming with me. But still the judgement and the hypocracy still continued. The one thing they were trying to get me to do was go on a mission, and complete my Boy Scout Eagle Rank, but without the help of my parents I was on my own. People asked to see them but in a snide sort of way. The people really did judge you not just on what you did but more so on your social status. Most people in my church had such high egos about themselves that it was sickening. When I got older I decided I had just about enough of the Bull and that's when I decided to leave for GOOD! Is there anything else you wanted to know?

a few things I "wanted to know"
and a few points;
-what does "case close" at the beginning of a long paragraph mean?
-and what does "I could care less" mean?
- what exactly is meant to be conveyed when a sentence ends with "but whatevers"?
-I was raised in da mormon church and they were all cool and sharing. non judgemental. very sweet people. I ain't one for organized religion, but if I were ever to awaken one sunny morn and find my individuality had mysteriously evaporated while visting the land of nod and now find myself a "joiner", I would be swayed to this christian faction, prolly, youbetcha.
-Sounds like ya stuck around in a situation, that was not fun at all. and ya did it for.. how many years? even after ya saw the handwriting plainly on da wall? sup wi dat!?
-can ya just discuss and debate without goin' off?

[Pedro]

a few things I "wanted to know"
and a few points;
-what does "case close" at the beginning of a long paragraph mean?
-and what does "I could care less" mean?
-I was raised in da mormon church and they were all cool and sharing. non judgemental. very sweet people. I ain't one for organized religion, but if I were ever to awaken one sunny morn and find my individuality had mysteriously evaporated while visting the land of nod and now find myself a "joiner", I would be swayed to this christian faction, prolly, youbetcha.
-Sounds like ya stuck around in a situation, that was not fun at all. and ya did it for.. how many years? even after ya saw the handwriting plainly on da wall? sup wi dat!?
-can ya just discuss and debate without goin' off?

Case Close I didn't want say anything but ended up contradicting myself.

You are right I did go off and I do apologize for it, I am not the type of person to back down from anyone but I should do it with a little more tact and compasion. I 'll hold my tongue if that's cool. Well my relatives weren't much for words but more for physicality and thinking later when all was done. Guess that's why some of em are locked up.

I stuck in the church till I was Sixteen going on to Seventeen, but the Missionaries kept coming to the door. I thought that the members would change unfortunately I was wrong. Some of my friends still ask me to return, but I tell them never again. When your young you think that the writing on the wall will change but they don't they remain the same, they just get uglier.

When I said I care less I figured I had to have a reason for saying it and that's why the long crappy story.

Anything else let me know I will use more tact this time. :)

[Miulang]

You gots good Mormons, and you gots bad Mormons, just like everywhere else. The good ones believe in family and helping other Mormons. Nothing wrong with that. The part I don't like is when they try to convert nonbelievers or force kids who don't want to go on missions to go on missions to convert others to their religion.

But Mormonism is one of the fastest growing religions in the developing world, so maybe the proselytizing is getting them somewhere. And those of you who were raised Mormon have gotta admit, they got some pretty funky notions about marriage and the hereafter. :) I went to school in SLC for 2 years, and the kids I associated with either were "Jack" Mormons or gentiles, but oh, the stories my friends who were raised Mormon would tell me about being indoctrinated into the church and its rituals!

Miulang

[kimo55]

> The good ones believe in family and helping other Mormons.


they hep erryone, da ones i seen, huuuuh.


>those of you who were raised Mormon have gotta admit, they got some pretty funky notions about marriage and the hereafter.

dey get funky notions bout erryting.
baptism for the dead. marriage. polygamy. eating. dressing. driving swearing. caffeine. the hereafter. food. microwave ovens. levels of heaven. Chihuahuas. tires. their sacred books, all fourty eight of em. discount shopping. acne.

[Miulang]

Heh. I didn't want to go into discussing da cotton underwear, the Postum or the different levels of heaven. That polygamy thing has been ascribed to a biological imperative a long time ago when the world wasn't busting out with so many people and the need to create more beings to help till the land...still happens in some "backward" cultures in the hinterlands, but since it's supposedly illegal to practice polygamy and polyandry in this country, most devout Mormons would say it is wrong now. I do like that they have "family nights" when everyone in the family sits around the old fireplace and reads scripture and the fact that they will probably be the only ones who will be well stocked come the Apocalypse...

Miulang

P.S. I thought I read somewhere that the Mormon church had to denounce polygamy in order to become a state in the Union?

[junebloom]

Pedro I appreciate the apology Unfortunately There are a lot of church folks that don't act Christ like at all. I am sorry for what you and your family have gone through. And as far as the remark basically what I meant is I thought that the mormon religion really did consider themselves a seperate religious organization. That's what I've been lead to believe by others.
that's all.
:D

[kimo55]

>I do like that they have "family nights" when everyone in the family sits around the old fireplace and reads scripture


we called it "family home evening", kailua side.
but we didn't call it "read scripture"...
(that sounds like: "are you going to temple and read scripture?"
"yes, i will drive car to see friend after eat hamburger and visit temple and read scripture and say prayer and perform jenufleck (Jennifer Affleck anyone?) ....etc....

>and the fact that they will probably be the only ones who will be well stocked come the Apocalypse...

yea. let's see them share, then!

[kimo55]

>Unfortunately There are a lot of church folks that don't act Christ like at all.


imagine that.
again, what's up with these mortals? and their human frailties!?


>I thought that the mormon religion really did consider themselves a seperate religious organization.

uuuhhh... don't they all?!

[1stwahine]

Aloha everyone

I have a question for Auntie Lynn Could you elaborate on what you mean by your statement?

Really just curious as to what your personal opinions about Christianity are?
Not to offend anyone by any means.


God doesn't want the saved. He's looking for the sinners. I was born a sinner and still a sinner...yet, by the grace of God, I have made it through some major things. Yeah, I'm in the middle and seeking my difference.

Aloha junebloom!

Those who lead Godly lives or as best they can are already saved. However, I am a sinner cause I sin everyday. I stopped going to church about a month cause I didn't want to be a hiprocrite. Although I enjoy the fellowship, I am not one to go on Sunday, praise and rejoice then out the door I start my ugly ways again. God know my heart and knows my intentions are good.

By the grace of God, I have survived the death of my husband of twenty years, having three kids in War Zones the same time, the break-up with a druggie of nine years, my own addictions and life struggles. My list can go on and on how the God I believe in has carried me in his arms so many times.......he never gets tired.

It is when I put him first, above all else that my life becomes manageable...still remaining a sinner. I don't shove down my beliefs on others. However, I pray for everybody even those I dislike, don't know, etc. To know the peace of loving the Lord is simply beautiful.

When I die it will be just God and me. I will have to answer him, what I did on earth. My God is a loving and a forgiving God. He is my strength and SAVIOR!

Auntie Lynn

[kimo55]

"It was clear as mud but it covered the ground"

[MadAzza]

Aloha junebloom!

Those who lead Godly lives or as best they can are already saved.

Not under Christianity. It takes a lot more than that. That's why most people who claim to be Christian try to mold the religion to their lifestyle, instead of the other way around. To really follow Christ's teachings and do what's necessary to be a Christian -- and to go to heaven -- is too much work for most people, and just not convenient. Too many rules. So they relax the rules and invent platitudes to make themselves feel better. But "doing the best you can" isn't good enough for the Christian God, or for most others, either. He's been pretty specific on that.

[kimo55]

-- is too much work for most people, and just not convenient. Too many rules. So they relax the rules and invent platitudes to make themselves feel better.



and the result is what we see...
multitudinous sects branching out from christianity, each one overbrimming with their own dogma and particular take on it.

[Miulang]

Ta-da! :D Hence my original postage: does the religious left or the religious right really have what it takes to move the nonbelievers (the non-dogmatic religious centrists) toward their way of thinking? And is the outcome what's going to sway how the "red staters" vote next year?

Miulang

[scrivener]

May I ask a moderator to split this topic? Domo.

[Pedro]

>Unfortunately There are a lot of church folks that don't act Christ like at all.


imagine that.
again, what's up with these mortals? and their human frailties!?


>I thought that the mormon religion really did consider themselves a seperate religious organization.

uuuhhh... don't they all?!


You know what's weird? Every Christian sect or religious organization I have been with from Baptist, Catholic, Protestan, Morman, and so forth all believe they are right over every other christian church.(Differences my my my) :confused: I sort of compare it to Martial Arts. I meant if ya take Karate and go into Kung Fu they each believe that their style is better than the other, where Japanese are straight foward and rigid while the chinese are soft and round but their the same principle, and body mechanics. STRANGE :confused:

[Pedro]

Not under Christianity. It takes a lot more than that. That's why most people who claim to be Christian try to mold the religion to their lifestyle, instead of the other way around. To really follow Christ's teachings and do what's necessary to be a Christian -- and to go to heaven -- is too much work for most people, and just not convenient. Too many rules. So they relax the rules and invent platitudes to make themselves feel better. But "doing the best you can" isn't good enough for the Christian God, or for most others, either. He's been pretty specific on that.

People have been molding Christian beliefs to their own lifestyle for years even when Christianity was founded, and that's why there has been so many changes and Christian sects or religious organizations. It defeats the purpose of being a straight dealer.(royal flus I win) But I also realize than when the Religion was created it was a different world than the world we live in. My Mormon friends said one of the Mormon Prophets declaired this era one of the most evil era in opposed to Bible History, and we're more succeptable to falling from sin. Oh well pardon me well I finish my wine and dance with the young ladies wearing almost nothing on maybe tomorrow I promise I will be a good person and not fall to sin. I am trying but the wine looks too good so do the women not to give in. I'll try harder tomorrow. :D

[Pedro]

Ta-da! :D Hence my original postage: does the religious left or the religious right really have what it takes to move the nonbelievers (the non-dogmatic religious centrists) toward their way of thinking? And is the outcome what's going to sway how the "red staters" vote next year?

Miulang

After this I promise I will get off this thread and go on to something different. I did mention something about religion being a touchy subject but getting back to the original topic above. I have no idea if the religious left and right have what it take's to move none believers toward their veiw of thinking. I mean I have friends who despise homosexuality because it is Evil or so they believe and they are glad that in Hawaii they cannot get married. But I believe that even homosexuals have the right to pursue happiness. My last opinion I swear.

[Miulang]

After this I promise I will get off this thread and go on to something different. I did mention something about religion being a touchy subject but getting back to the original topic above. I have no idea if the religious left and right have what it take's to move none believers toward their veiw of thinking. I mean I have friends who despise homosexuality because it is Evil or so they believe and they are glad that in Hawaii they cannot get married. But I believe that even homosexuals have the right to pursue happiness. My last opinion I swear.
Pedro, you can have all the opinions you want, just don't swear! :p

Miulang

[1stwahine]

and if you must swear, write it on a blog! there is also the "ignore option" if you get irritated with someone. it is a fabulous tool cause they don't exist. Hence, you don't see their posts. ;)

auntie lynn

[kimo55]

whooshrightovertheheadagain.

[junebloom]

Thanks Aunti Lynne for your response
Personally I base my Christianity or admitting that I am sinner I needed a Savior. I believed that Jesus Christ paid price for my sins by dying on the cross and I asked for His Forgiveness and accepted Him as my SAVIOR.

I thought I read another thread by you about you going out in chinatown to talk to some of the homeless women there. If so, did you get to do that and how was it?

[1stwahine]

Thanks Aunti Lynne for your response
Personally I base my Christianity or admitting that I am sinner I needed a Savior. I believed that Jesus Christ paid price for my sins by dying on the cross and I asked for His Forgiveness and accepted Him as my SAVIOR.

I thought I read another thread by you about you going out in chinatown to talk to some of the homeless women there. If so, did you get to do that and how was it?

Good Morning Junebloom, The information that I'm collecting is for my blog. It's an ongoing thing which I haven't had time to organize what I've gotten so far. I love to just sit and write what comes to mind. Being Manic, I keep putting it off everytime. Everytime I go to Chinatown, I get more information. Homeless women face greater obsticles than men. Their life on the streets is no morning glory. Maybe, it won't be for my blog. Being from the area, I get to gain access and be trusted. I'll let you know what happens in either case.

Auntie Lynn

[kimo55]

and for more on our savior:

http://www.clayloomis.com/carlin17k.wav

[junebloom]

have a nice day :)

[admin]

There's no need to shout (TYPING IN ALL CAPS), Junebloom. I'm sure Kimo can read just fine. Whether or not he cares for the message is another matter entirely. :p

[junebloom]

Well Administrator,
First of all when i typed the message It being all caps wasn't my concern. I really didn't think it was shouting at someone it just that when i type sometime in what i do caps are a part of that and I'm not alway reminded to take the the keyboard of caps so i do apologize for that. But I also don't like for people to download something on my computer that i did not ask for either so lets be fair to all okay

[admin]

As with anything on the web, consider the source and check the URL before clicking the link. The .wav extension makes it clear it was an audio file. The fact that Kimo posted it makes it clear it was probably something you wouldn't be interested in. :)

[kimo55]

>" The fact that Kimo posted it makes it clear it was probably something you wouldn't be interested in. "

yea, thanks for popping in again, Palolo Joe.

http://tinyurl.com/be7jp

First of all when i typed the message It being all caps wasn't my concern.
it should be; it's universally considered baaaad netiquette.
Be very thankful Ryan ONLY requested you be more thoughtful:
Other sites are not so lenient: exhibiting tighter (more appropriate) rules:

"NOTE: TYPING in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS is FORBIDDEN and is the FASTEST WAY to get your listing/account REMOVED (EVEN in Headlines or Titles)

in the -before signup- agreement:
" I understand that any listings TYPED IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS or NOT putting spaces between words (even in my screen name) will be rejected on sight."

[Palolo Joe]

>" The fact that Kimo posted it makes it clear it was probably something you wouldn't be interested in. "

yea, thanks for popping in again, Palolo Joe.
Taking another swipe, even though I wasn't the one who posted that.

[kimo55]

Taking another swipe, [/b].

duuuh, ok!

whhhhAAAAP!


dhoooh!
threw my back out!

[Palolo Joe]

i wonder if you're that bold when you're not hiding behind a computer monitor...

And you cut out the rest of what I said. I didn't even post what you were making a jackass remark about.