School dress code

[Pedro]

Today at work, I noticed this young girl about ten maybe twelve years of age walking with her parents. She had this very short miny skirt on which was riding up her @$$. Her parents payed no heed to what she was wearing and minded their own business, while me and my friends stared in utter disbelief, and shook our heads. O.K. the point is are people letting their kids wear less clothing out in public? I think it's O.K. for girls to be independant in what they wear but they don't know the dangers out there of being exposed in such a way, especially with too little on. That's where parents are suppose to step in and be a parent about it.

I remember this one young girl I use to cruise with at High School, her parents made sure she dressed sensible when going to school. As soon as she get's to school she changes into something extravagent and revealing, at the time I didn't care cause she looked good and I was in my adolescence so you can imagine the thoughts that ran thru my mind. But hey I still think of it today. Parents should be mindful of these things because they are too young to be dressing so sexy. There has to be a line between sexy and sensible, especially when it come's to age. What's your opinions on this topic?

[Glen Miyashiro]

There has to be a line between sexy and sensible, especially when it come's to age.I'm on the other end of this age range -- my female friends and acquaintances are old enough that most of them have realized they shouldn't dress that way any more. Unfortunately, some of them haven't gotten the hint. :rolleyes:

[AbsolutChaos]

I can't help but notice that more and more children's clothing, instead of looking like children's clothing, emulates adult styles instead. By the time you get to pre-teen and teen clothing, there's really nothing child-like or conservative about it. Even in the 90s when I was in high school, I could never find shorts that fit the school rules of being fingertip length--they were all much shorter than that! At the time I thought it was great, but it seems that even the short lengths from my day are now really long in comparison to what teens today are wearing. Unfortunately, it's a product of the MTV/media-obsessed culture. Teens/pre-teens want to dress sexy because that's what they've been taught is going to make them popular and what makes boys take notice. It's an age-old struggle between parents and adults.

I'm sure that many years from now, current generations will be making similar complaints about their children, but I'm scared to know how short and how tiny and how tight clothes will continue to get before they become almost nonexistent.

I wonder what Britney Spears is going to dress her offspring in...

:eek:

[scrivener]

I'm sure that many years from now, current generations will be making similar complaints about their children
It is every generation's job to freak out the generation before and then to shake its head and cluck its tongue at the generation that follows. There was a time, not at all long ago, when guys with earrings, facial hair, and tattoos were considered rebellious, but look what's happened now. They're so mainstream they're cliche.

For this reason, I say don't get worked up about it. It's the normal evolution of society; some of the rebellions lead to good things (clothing on boys, for example, has involved more and more fabric than it did in the seventies--whew!) and some to not-so-good things (tatoos around belly buttons are disgusting! why ruin one of the best parts of the female anatomy?).

Everything I just said about fashion? You can apply it to music, too. Seriously.

[craigwatanabe]

Yep pretty soon latex paint will be the only thing left in a young girls wardrobe. It's gotten to the point where exposing ones breasts minus the ariolas is almost common place. It's just a matter of time when simply painting over those indecent spots will pass as "casual clothing"

What's amazing now is that it's becoming harder and harder to distinguish a young woman with her friends out on a night in Waikiki over a hooker. They both wear the same clothes.

[kimo55]

Yep pretty soon latex paint will be the only thing left in a young girls wardrobe. It's gotten to the point where exposing ones breasts minus the ariolas is almost common place.



and TV ain't helping stave off the indecency;
Full frontal nudity but with pasties is now the norm after 9 pm on many channels....

(notice I'm not shouting too loudly against this...)

[kimo55]

It's the normal evolution of society;



some say the devolution of society.

[craigwatanabe]

Well Kimo actually we were born and evolved/created into this world butt naked so actually it's not a devolution but a return to innocense if one can imagine.

But if God wanted us to prance around as we did so in the Garden of Eden then he'd have made the Ozone Layer a bit more resiliant to Chloroflorocarbon molecules.

With that said I can imagine how the Muslim world can view the west as EVIL with our scantily clad women and YMCA men. Gotta admit...to the hard core Muslim that's gotta be so bizzare it can only come from the Devil himself.

[Glen Miyashiro]

With that said I can imagine how the Muslim world can view the west as EVIL with our scantily clad women and YMCA men. Gotta admit...to the hard core Muslim that's gotta be so bizzare it can only come from the Devil himself.Makes me think of the New England missionaries coming into port in Honolulu in 1820 and weeping in horror at the sight of the nearly naked Hawaiians. :rolleyes:

[craigwatanabe]

Actually I'm wondering if they were weeping with delight after that long open ocean voyage: Thank you Lord! Oh man this is a great place to sin!

[Glen Miyashiro]

Actually I'm wondering if they were weeping with delight after that long open ocean voyage: Thank you Lord! Oh man this is a great place to sin!Hmmm. Maybe they were just pretending to be horrified. "Oh! All this nakedness -- I can't look!" (peeking between their fingers) :D

[craigwatanabe]

I can just see it...come here young heathen let me strike you on your buttocks for your indecent acts...no wait strike me instead, it's been a long voyage and I've been a bad little boy!

Oh I'm sure those missionaries had a great task ahead of them and had no problems getting help from the motherland: Volunteers needed to re-educate naked Polynesian women into decency. Caution - the shock of widespread nudity is repugnant and service to the Queen is at your own risk.

Yeah and at the volunteer desk: Okay let's form several lines here as it's getting a bit hectic trying to sign up everyone...Hey no cutting in line young man! :D

[kimo55]

I can just see it...come here young heathen let me strike you on your buttocks for your indecent acts...no wait strike me instead, it's been a long voyage and I've been a bad little boy!

"You must spank her well, and after you are done with her, you may deal with her as you like... and then... spank me.
And me. And me too. And me.
Yes. Yes, you must give us all a good spanking. "

[craigwatanabe]

So my kid wanted to be a missionary in South America? Hmmmm...sign me up too!!!! :eek:

Man I'm really going to Hell for that one :D

[Glen Miyashiro]

"You must spank her well, and after you are done with her, you may deal with her as you like... and then... spank me.
And me. And me too. And me.
Yes. Yes, you must give us all a good spanking. "No, no, no. It's too perilous.

[kimo55]

No, no, no. It's too perilous.

I like peril! Give me more peril!
(that was actually in peril of being cut!)
http://tinyurl.com/clrc4

[scrivener]

some say the devolution of society.
I'm sure some would, but in the long run, are dress standards we currently consider decent or acceptable generally better for us or worse for us than the standards of the generations before us?

I submit that the trends our grandparents and great-grandparents considered indecent and rebellious for the most part have made us better.

Kids wearing blue jeans in school. Women wearing pants in the workplace. Exposed bellies on the beach. Hair long enough to go past the tops of ears on boys. Why did we ever think these were offensive? Now, I'm just as scandalized by what I see teenagers wearing today as anyone my age, but that's my point. If teens today weren't offending me in this manner, they wouldn't be doing their jobs, because someone had to make it okay for women to wear pants, and someone had to make it okay for girls to wear jeans to school.

Lest you think it's always the trend to wear less and less, I'll remind you that the micro-skirts of the early seventies didn't last long--it wasn't until just recently that those super-minis started coming back. Remember the "short shorts" of the seventies and early eighties? They completely disappeared, much to my dismay, by the late eighties. And while it seemed that bikinis were getting more and more revealing, for most of the nineties, the preferred beachwear for most teenaged girls was boardshorts and bikini tops. For every trend that goes "too far" one way, there's a later, nearly equally opposite trend that brings it all back.

[Ailina]

(embarrassing) I was that girl. Except Mom didn't even try to keep me from wearing (or not wearing) what I wanted. I think that was the #1 problem. From experience, that's exactly why I dressed the way I did--to get attention.

Now, I have four girls of my own, and I have to say I'm something of a tyrant when it comes to what they wear. No midriff tops. No mini-skirts without shorts underneath. No baby-t-shirts that say things like "I kissed your boyfriend."

I know it's probably classic overcompensation, the pendulum swinging the other way. But truth be told--my lack of concern about modesty led to worse things. I think a certain amount of modesty in dress is evidence of a healthy self-respect. I'm doing my best to teach my girls modesty, help them avoid having to learn a few hard lessons the hard way.

[scrivener]

So my kid wanted to be a missionary in South America? Hmmmm...sign me up too!
I know we're all just playing around here, and this is way off topic, but in case anyone thinks missionaries still think it's necessary to impose standards of modesty on cultures they work with, I'd like to say that in fact, the trend has been the opposite. Evangelicals no longer sweep into a culture and try to make things American, except where health standards are concerned.

[Glen Miyashiro]

You know that the girls are really dressing way too sexy when Punahou starts enforcing a dress code (http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/18/news/story5.html).

[craigwatanabe]

I was amazed at that newspaper article when they compared Iolani's dress code allowing students to wear non-school logo'd attire. At Kamehameha my then 16-year old boy was suspended for wearing his shirt inside out.

He wore it inside out because when he got to school he realized he was wearing a Nike dress shirt. Hmmm so in order not to get suspended for wearing a logo'd shirt to school, he got suspended for wearing his shirt inside out.

Punahou is said to be a very liberal school with individualism as key to their success. However success in a college prep environment also means conforming to the ideals of a societal norm. Showing butt cracks is not what I consider normal. Actually it's a kind of voyerism and has no place in an environment of higher learning.

I think there's so much revolt against this dress code is simply because it's the only place outside of the home where these juveniles can dress that way without their parent's criticism. This isn't new, the sweet daughter leaves home in modest clothes, but under that baggy logo'd sweatshirt and knee length skirt is a skimpy blouse showing revealing her midriff and an even shorter skirt underneath that rice bag she's wearing over it.

Parents gotta wake up. Make those surprise school visits and see how their kids are acting away from the family. You'd be shocked!

[AuntieNellieKulolo]

Wow, how times have changed. At Punahou in the early '80s guys could wear shorts on Fridays but girls couldn't, then the rules were modified so girls could wear shorts but they had to be at least 'fingertip length'. No spaghetti straps, tank tops or bare midriffs. I wore a tank top in 8th grade once and had to wear my P.E. shirt over it. The big issue in those days was the punk look and my best friend was one of the worst 'offenders'. She had a large section of her head shaved and she would pull hair down to cover it when she saw a teacher around. There was actually a rule that you couldn't wear all black outfits because that was all she wore. Now it's the conformists who wear black, at least in NYC...

[craigwatanabe]

When I was at Wilson Elementary School in Waialae Nui, the girls couldn't wear shorts, only knee length skirts. We had a May Day festival one day at school which required the girls to wear casual shorts because of the events planned. The teachers thought it was okay for the girls to come to school dressed in shorts as practice was pretty much all morning with the event happening after lunch.

Well our principal (Mrs. Wong) was appalled and cancelled the May Day Festivities and made everyone do schoolwork the rest of the day. The teachers were upset, the kids were crying and parents were really pissed all at the principal.

Yes times have changed. One year I had to go to McKinley High School to investigate some of the school's shop equipment we were planning on purchasing elsewhere for our company. In their auto shop I saw this room full of kids dressed in everything from timid to slut doing their own thing while a TV was set to MTV and the teacher kicking back reading a magazine.

I walked in and asked for the teacher, they all looked at this man slouching behind a cluttered desk. He quickly got up and shut the TV set off realizing I had come in. I guess I looked like a DOE inspector because he practically crapped in his pants. He was supposed to be conducting an automotive class and pretty much was goofing off, on the clock.

I took advantage of the situation and told him to get this class in order and I'll be back in 20-minutes. I left and never came back but I lived for that moment and that moment was priceless. :D

[lurkah]

I took advantage of the situation and told him to get this class in order and I'll be back in 20-minutes. I left and never came back but I lived for that moment and that moment was priceless. :D
Sounds like a different twist on performing a random act of kindness.

Danged state workers. :p (I used to work at UHM. Hi Ryan. ;))

[1stwahine]

Hey Craig, did ya ever report it? The MHS incident? No wonder the "mechanics" here at MWH can't fix my car...they had training at MHS! (sshh, I graduated from there too!) ;)

Auntie Lynn

[craigwatanabe]

I did tell the principal to go check on that room in a few minutes because I did notice some unusual behavior within.

I'm hoping that teacher took advantage of that 20-minutes to exercise some good classroom management before the principal came in.

[1stwahine]

I had a GUT feeling that you did! good for you!!!!

Auntie Lynn

[alohabear]

Here at Hilo High we have a dress standard ...not code so naturally it gets broken daily . What gets me is how even the "large" girls don't cover-up. It's good that they love thier bodies ...but come on do you really think they look in thier mirrors and say ....damn! I am the hottie today! Even the "nice" looking girls must not own a mirror because if they did... they would see a slut.

[tiptoetulip]

I have been appalled for some time now with the fashions that are available to young girls and young women. I'm no prude, but what the hell has happened to modesty and mystery? Why buy the cow when the milk is free? As for school dress codes, I'm all for it. Less hassle for the parents, less hassle for the kids, less hassles in general. I realize the fashion and music industries don't help, so it really becomes the responsibility of parents and mentors to help guide our young people. Someone has got to take a stance. Seriously, would you let your daughter go to school wearing sweatpants that say "cutiepie" on her behind?

[backwoodlessons2]

You know that the girls are really dressing way too sexy when Punahou starts enforcing a dress code (http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/18/news/story5.html).

I go to Punahou and agree completely.

[kimo55]

Seriously, would you let your daughter go to school wearing sweatpants that say "cutiepie" on her behind?
be happy they are not participating in the underwear run, like their parents.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I go to Punahou and agree completely.You agree completely that the girls dress too sexy and it should stop, or you agree completely that they should be allowed to dress as sexy as they want? :D

[kimo55]

no. they agree that they go to Punahou

[tutusue]

[...] As for school dress codes, I'm all for it. Less hassle for the parents, less hassle for the kids, less hassles in general.[...]
I couldn't agree more! My girls attended HSG and wore uniforms for 6 years. I was thrilled with the idea but concerned that they wouldn't like it. Turns out they loved uniforms for the reasons you stated above. At the time (late 70-mid 80s), HSG had Aloha Friday attire. Even with one day a week the clothing competition was amazing.

[tiptoetulip]

I couldn't agree more! My girls attended HSG and wore uniforms for 6 years. I was thrilled with the idea but concerned that they wouldn't like it. Turns out they loved uniforms for the reasons you stated above. At the time (late 70-mid 80s), HSG had Aloha Friday attire. Even with one day a week the clothing competition was amazing.
Yup, I think I'm all for uniforms. Good thing we have them at our school. As for teacher uniforms, nah, I wouldn't really want it! :p But that's another topic.

There are enough non-clothing issues throughout the school day that I am ever-thankful for uniforms. It's hard to explain to 9-year-old kids why it is actually inappropriate to be wearing sweatpants with "angel" across their behind. I was trying to discuss this with a few girls after school. One looked shocked at my opinion, since she said "angel" is not a bad word. I just said that she's right, but it's REALLY NOT appropriate across some young girl's bottom! Of course I said that everyone has a right to wear what they want, and that this was just MY personal opinion. I asked them if they'd want someone looking at and reading their behind. They just giggled and thought it was silly.

[Rickyrab]

Wow, how times have changed. At Punahou in the early '80s guys could wear shorts on Fridays but girls couldn't, then the rules were modified so girls could wear shorts but they had to be at least 'fingertip length'. No spaghetti straps, tank tops or bare midriffs. I wore a tank top in 8th grade once and had to wear my P.E. shirt over it. The big issue in those days was the punk look and my best friend was one of the worst 'offenders'. She had a large section of her head shaved and she would pull hair down to cover it when she saw a teacher around. There was actually a rule that you couldn't wear all black outfits because that was all she wore. Now it's the conformists who wear black, at least in NYC...
Maybe on Wall Street, anyway. Ten to twenty blocks north it's gonna be the nonconformists wearing black. Then, saaaaay, forty to sixty blocks to the north of that, it's conformists again..... :)

Assuming, of course, that "conformist" = wearer of three-pc suit.

[alohabear]

Today being Halloween , I thought it would be nice to revist this thread.
Here at HHS on Hawaii Island we had the so-called "dress code" go to hell today.
Our students were everything from cavegirls, naughty (if I bend down you can see it all)nurses,playmate bunnies, fallen angels and sexy devils as well as your ever present she/males.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your son dresses like a female down to his thong-panties(that no one but he will see) shouldn't you have to worry? :eek:

[Glen Miyashiro]

Today being Halloween , I thought it would be nice to revist this thread.
Here at HHS on Hawaii Island we had the so-called "dress code" go to hell today.
Our students were everything from cavegirls, naughty (if I bend down you can see it all)nurses,playmate bunnies, fallen angels and sexy devils as well as your ever present she/males.Waikīkī should be a pretty interesting place tonight. And I've heard that Lahaina is wild, too. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your son dresses like a female down to his thong-panties(that no one but he will see) shouldn't you have to worry? :eek:Ummm. Why would I worry about that? :confused:

[alohabear]

Waikīkī should be a pretty interesting place tonight. And I've heard that Lahaina is wild, too. :D

Ummm. Why would I worry about that? :confused:
I see nothing wrong with the dress , but why would you wear female underwear that no one will see? It's just wrong.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I see nothing wrong with the dress , but why would you wear female underwear that no one will see? It's just wrong.'Cuz it feels good brah. Why do you think women wear them? :D

[Leo Lakio]

'Cuz it feels good brah. Why do you think women wear them? :D
Women wear thongs because they feel good? Not any of the women I know (well, know well enough to be discussing their underwear, that is.)

[MadAzza]

'Cuz it feels good brah. Why do you think women wear them? :D


Gawd, I hope you're kidding!

If you're serious, then please take this piece of twine, run it between your legs and wear for a few hours. Then come back and tell us how comfortable it is.

No, I don't wear the stupid things.They also seem kind of unsanitary in a way that is too disgusting to go into here. Yuck.

I understand thongs have their place in today's fashion. Just not up my butt, thank you.

[craigwatanabe]

Gawd, I hope you're kidding!

If you're serious, then please take this piece of twine, run it between your legs and wear for a few hours. Then come back and tell us how comfortable it is.

No, I don't wear the stupid things.They also seem kind of unsanitary in a way that is too disgusting to go into here. Yuck.

I understand thongs have their place in today's fashion. Just not up my butt, thank you.

You see MadAzza, that's your problem! You gotta buy the high quality twine from Macy's not the cheap twine from WalMart :D I think I'd have a problem with twine up my butt too...gotta have the expensive imported stuff :rolleyes:

I dated a gal who started wearing thongs. At first she said it was uncomfortable but after a couple of weeks she said she didn't notice it at all. I think thongs were meant more for guys to admire on women and some women know that.

I'll put the comfort factor of women wearing thongs at the same level as women wearing 5" high stillettos and caking on layers of makeup on their faces while sweating it out in Hawaii's humid weather. It's gotta be intolerable at times. But(t) it's the woman's perogative to wear what she wants to and if she so chooses to run a piece of twine up her butt, hey I'm not gonna complain :D

[sinjin]

I thought it was all about no panty lines. My wife wears nothing but thongs and has never complained about their lack of comfort. As far as less sanitary than other panty styles, please. Women are funky, period. Or not.

[craigwatanabe]

I thought it was all about no panty lines. My wife wears nothing but thongs and has never complained about their lack of comfort. As far as less sanitary than other panty styles, please. Women are funky, period. Or not.


I guess so since there's not much of a "panty" in a thong. I actually wonder, just how effective a thong is as a panty? Not much of a cotton crotch there.

My wife also wears thongs on occasions, more for me than for her though :D

I guess some women like a good wedgie on a given day. :D

[Glen Miyashiro]

My teenage daughter says that when she wears her thongs she can barely feel that there's anything there. Now on other women that's great, but I think she should be wearing granny panties every day. :rolleyes:

[craigwatanabe]

My teenage daughter says that when she wears her thongs she can barely feel that there's anything there. Now on other women that's great, but I think she should be wearing granny panties every day. :rolleyes:


This is why I'm so glad I have all boys in my homestead (not including my wife). I can talk about safe sex with them with a straight face, but I could never have a conversation with a daughter on the virtues of wearing thong panties...Glen...I take my hat off to you, you're a better man than I :D

[MadAzza]

I thought it was all about no panty lines. My wife wears nothing but thongs and has never complained about their lack of comfort. As far as less sanitary than other panty styles, please. Women are funky, period. Or not.

I'm not talking about ... that area. I'm talking about ... the ... um ... about having material constantly rubbing against one's ... um ... an .. anu ... anu ... butthole.

[MadAzza]

I dated a gal who started wearing thongs. At first she said it was uncomfortable but after a couple of weeks she said she didn't notice it at all.

After a couple of weeks, I probably wouldn't notice a CIA operative pulling out my fingernails. But I'd rather not put up with it that long to find out.

[sinjin]

I'm not talking about ... that area. I'm talking about ... the ... um ... about having material constantly rubbing against one's ... um ... an .. anu ... anu ... butthole.

I knew you were Maddie. I was suggesting that you were splitting hairs. Or not.

[lurkah]

Women are funky, period. Or not.
This sentence is a good example for where placement of punctuation marks becomes extremely important. :D

[MadAzza]

Ow, we want the funk
Give up the funk
Ow, we need the funk
We gotta have that funk!

sing along with me ...

[craigwatanabe]

This sentence is a good example for where placement of punctuation marks becomes extremely important. :D

I'd imagine it's not a good idea to be wearing a thong if you're having a period...or not :eek:

Not a good thing to be showing that rip cord dangling between your legs :D

Actually my ex-girlfriend said she enjoyed wearing them because of the other place that thong rode up in...hmmm no wonder there's a lot of smiling women out there. And to think putting a cell phone in your front pocket on silent mode was the reason :rolleyes: I'll answer that phone in a few more rings.