I finally go busted...

[cezanne]

for not CLICKING IT. Dang. :( King Street, I see the cop ahead of me on my left then click it (figured that I didn't have to be sly) but he let me pass him and did the non-siren err err sound.

He was pretty cool though, kinda telling me what a typical guilty with explanation excuse would be. "Well I just saw you put it on BUT I don't know if you dropped something accidentally and were reattaching or if you just pulled out of that driveway, etc. He said that if I send in the $92 with a letter explaining what happened and the fact that I got a clean record, first seatbelt violation blah blah... I usually get part (if not the whole thing) back. Hmmm we'll see. Maybe he just doesn't want to show up in court if I contest it huh? :)

[Miulang]

I got busted once for speeding (so the cop said). I for sure knew I wasn't, so I went to court to contest the ticket. If I had just sent in the money, it would have gone on my record. Because I took the time to show up in court (of course the cop was a no-show), the judge let me off with only paying half the fine and not putting the speeding infraction on my record. Ever since then, for anything but a parking ticket, I will spend a few hours to go talk with the judge. Of course, (knock wood) I haven't had a serious ticket in years now...must be getting makule.

Miulang

[cezanne]

Well he showed me me that he checked INFRACTION box which was one of three choices... he said that way it doesn't go to the insurance company. I dunno, not so sure if that's the same thing as not going on record (abstract)?

[Konaguy]

Only moving violations go on your driving abstract. Not wearing your seatbelt is not a moving violation.

[oggboy]

CLICK IT OR TICKET...$92.00......

My daughter came home one day all depressed. I say wassa maddah.
Sh**t I wen get one ticket fo not using seat belts. And I was the passenger in the da car. I wen like fo laugh but neva like hurt my girls feeling. She end up paying $98.00, no ask me why. Plus too her ins. went up. Oh well the price you pay.... LUCKY U LIVE HAWAII......OGGBOY

[Miulang]

Only moving violations go on your driving abstract. Not wearing your seatbelt is not a moving violation.
So how come Oggboy's daughter had her insurance premium increased if the seat belt fine doesn't get reported to the insurance co? Or maybe she was speeding too?

Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

Because I took the time to show up in court (of course the cop was a no-show), the judge let me off with only paying half the fine and not putting the speeding infraction on my record. That might work on the mainland, but not here. HPD officers make a point of showing up to court, usually because it means they'll get overtime pay. Not to mention that you have to pay the cost of issuing and serving a summons, which can run another $25-$35 on top of the cost of the ticket.

[craigwatanabe]

CLICK IT OR TICKET...$92.00......

My daughter came home one day all depressed. I say wassa maddah.
Sh**t I wen get one ticket fo not using seat belts. And I was the passenger in the da car. I wen like fo laugh but neva like hurt my girls feeling. She end up paying $98.00, no ask me why. Plus too her ins. went up. Oh well the price you pay.... LUCKY U LIVE HAWAII......OGGBOY


You actually let your daughter say Sh**t to you? Hmmm maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I'd never let my kids get away with saying words like that in my presence. Bust out the soap bar if that ever happened in my house.

[oggboy]

EH BRADDAH CRAIGWATANABE,

I IS MARRIED WITH CHILDREN, AND GRANDCHILDREN.......
SO IF MY GROWN CHILDREN LIKE SPEAK THERE OPINION, GO FO IT.......AFTER ALL, THE LIVE ON THEIR OWN.

SO NO SHIBAI,
KIDS`S NOW DAY`S VERY DIFFERENT FROM MY DAYS........

NOW DAY`S :mad: I KNOW!!!!!I I KNOW!!!!! I KNOW!!!!!

[kimo55]

don't shout, please.

[craigwatanabe]

Nowdays don't make any difference, it's respect for one's household and respect for you as an elder is why I tell even my adult kids that if they talk ladat dey going get lickins from me.

[kimo55]

You actually let your daughter say Sh**t to you? Hmmm maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I'd never let my kids get away with saying words like that in my presence. Bust out the soap bar if that ever happened in my house.


azzright! It is a disgraceful show of many things when this occurs:
lack of social decorum.
lack of respect for;
your elders.
Your parents.
Kupuna.
anyone older and (assumedly) wiser.

lacking in a command of the english language; limited vocabulary to express one's self and convey appropriately, a momentary frustration.
lack of control of emotions.
lack of responsibility and personal accountability.
lack of patience.
lack of absorbing the lessons, guidance and proper breeding that should be present in the upbringing setting through the years..


I probably missed a dozen more, but you get the idea.

[oggboy]

:mad: You gotta do wat you gotta do with your kids as your business.

By the way it`s not like she stay swearing me. Sometimes everybody gotta vent... I just glad I get kids that I can relate too!!!!!! :) :) :)OGGBOY

[craigwatanabe]

I can relate to my kids very well too without having them use foul words in my presence. Heck I'm 45 and I don't even say crap like that in front of my parents! There's a time and a place for that kind of language and it shouldn't be in the presence of family members especially in an elder's home.

I tell my kids that I cannot stop them from spewing garbage like that out of their mouths away from me, but I hope that they exercise good judgement when they have to vomit that kind of verbage. When words like that become mainstream and commonplace in our language, then our society as a whole has denegrated to a lower level. As it is we're slipping back to the stoneage at this rate.

Time to put a little respect back in our lives for our keiki sake.

[kimo55]

"...yer honor, I'm sorry the other kids at Columbine reacted that way, and sure, they will be missed, but kids just gotta vent... "

[cezanne]

CLICK IT OR TICKET...$92.00......

My daughter came home one day all depressed. I say wassa maddah.
Sh**t I wen get one ticket fo not using seat belts. And I was the passenger in the da car. I wen like fo laugh but neva like hurt my girls feeling. She end up paying $98.00, no ask me why. Plus too her ins. went up. Oh well the price you pay.... LUCKY U LIVE HAWAII......OGGBOY

I told my wife about it on the way home. I think she was like you... wanted to laugh but didn't want to hurt my feelings. So your daughter's insurance went up even though she was the passenger? I wonder if the cop was giving me a break because I didn't offer any excuses... I was surprised he was telling me what he would do to contest the charges. I'm not gonna lie though (I no like bachi myself), hopefully my clean record holds a lot of water with Judge Judy.

[Konaguy]

So how come Oggboy's daughter had her insurance premium increased if the seat belt fine doesn't get reported to the insurance co? Or maybe she was speeding too?

Miulang

As far as I know only moving violations get put on your driving abstract.

Here is more information :

http://www.courts.state.hi.us/page_server/SelfHelp/Traffic/765D53C4128C0747EA8FDFCDF4.html

[craigwatanabe]

This could be argued in court on the basis that a driving abstract is a tool to define your driving. She was a passenger not the driver so how in the world could it be construed as a measure of her ability to drive. Now the driver on the other hand should have their abstract reflected as multiple motor vehicle violations where each one counts as points against them because as the driver, they are responsible for the well-being and liability of their passengers.

[808_m3]

Actually, if you do get a moving violation of some kind, it's a good idea to go to court anyway. Here in California, when CHP issues a speeding ticket, the officer tells you the traffic court will send you courtesy notice. This notice includes your fine amount and the day you can appear in court. Most people don't want to deal with the hassle of showing up in court, so they pay the fine outright and move on with their lives.

A friend of mine showed up in court and basically gave some story of, "It was a Sunday, light traffic," or, "You know, I just made a mistake, I learned my lesson." In most cases, the judge will reduce your fine. They reduced his fine by $30.

You do get that mark against your driver abstract though, so make sure you check with your auto insurance company to see if that will affect your premiums.

Does Hawaii offer any way to remove the marks against your driver's record? Here in California, you can take traffic school which removes one mark. Unfortunately, you can only take one traffic school course per 18 months.

[SouthKona]

[QUOTE=Nowdays don't make any difference, it's respect for one's household and respect for you as an elder is why I tell even my adult kids that if they talk ladat dey going get lickins from me.[/QUOTE]

humm, just a thought, wonder which is worse, swearing or hitting??

[craigwatanabe]

It depends...swearing just isn't polite. Hitting is wrong too.

But if you mean corporal punishment...little kids cannot comprehend the act of reasoning and an immediate lesson in consequences thru their young and somewhat developing central nervous system by virtue of: I going tantrum out...OWE dat wen hurt...okay maybe not next time...is going to net a different outcome the next time Junior Boy going amp out in KB Toys.

When you mean "Hitting", eh one false crack is CPS time. Slapping the back of the head for acting stupid is corporal punishment. BUT...one slap to da noggins resulting in whiplash is anger management time for Papa san.

Oh yeah and on going to court...My first speeding ticket I was going 45-mph kokohead bound on Diamond Head road just past the last lookout coming round the bend near Monserrat and Diamond Head road when right there hiding inside the bend was Honolulu's finest with that radar gun (back then nevah have Laser gun).

I pulled over he gave me a ticket and I went home. When I went to court the judge asked me if I wanted to plead my case. I said yes and proceeded to acknowledge my stupid judgement and that I will accept whatever he ruled on me. He let me go with a $15 fine and one point on my abstract.

The guy before me had a speeding ticket and his wasn't as bad as mine however because he swore at the judge, his fine was a lot more than mine. Goes to show that a little respect for the judge (grovelling) can save your ass sometimes in court.