Kamehameha Schools Admissions Policy

[Miulang]

It's absolutely outrageous that a Federal Appeals Court (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/02/br/br01p.html) should favor the admission of non-Hawaiians into Kamehameha Schools because the current admissions policies are racially based, especially with the fate of the Akaka Bill still in limbo.

Even though the attorney for the unnamed plaintiff thinks the issue is dead with this ruling, boy is he ever dead wrong. I don't have a drop of Hawaiian blood in me (although I have cousins who do) and I don't see any reason why, if there are qualified kanaka maoli children, a non Hawaiian should be admitted. What are the motives of the parents of the unnamed nonHawaiian child in the first place? To get the child a subsidized high quality education? To immerse the child in the kanaka maoli culture?

I have a feeling it's because the parents want the best for the kid, but they also don't want to spend the money to send the child to an Iolani or St. Louis or Punahou or Mid-Pac, which also offer high quality education...at a price.

If Kamehameha School has to start admitting nonHawaiian kids and they can't selectively choose only students of kanaka maoli heritage, maybe they can have a "resident" - "nonresident" policy. All the state colleges charge one fee for people who prove they have resided in the state v. someone who is coming from another state to go to school. So, maybe the Kamehameha School Board of Trustees can have a sliding scale for admission. Give the "scholarships" (scholarships handed out to particular racial groups are still legal, as far as I know) to the kanaka maoli kids, but charge the true cost of a Kamehameha School education to the parents of the non-kanaka maoli. Then maybe those parents will realize what the intent of the legacy of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop was: to preserve the culture of the kanaka maoli and to teach the keiki their obligation to give back to their community. And then they'll try to get their kids into Punahou, St. Louis, Iolani or Mid-Pac, among other private schools instead.

Miulang

[lurkah]

The decision (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=3665) overturns a decision against a challenge by a non-Hawaiian student.

[Miulang]

The decision (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=3665) overturns a decision against a challenge by a non-Hawaiian student.
Haha! My comments were posted about 5 minutes before yours in the odda Kamehameha Schools thread! :D You KNOW this issue isn't dead yet.

Miulang.3333333<----Shimai (one of da popokis I get) wanted to say something too (he just stepped on da keyboard)

[lurkah]

Haha! My comments were posted about 5 minutes before yours in the odda Kamehameha Schools thread! :D You KNOW this issue isn't dead yet.
Oh...but I thought dis major announcement deserved its own thread. :p

[LikaNui]

The decision (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=3665) overturns a decision against a challenge by a non-Hawaiian student.
Also in the Advertiser at http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/02/br/br01p.html .

[Miulang]

OK, if da government wants to play stinky lidat wit one private institution (which is what Kamehameha Schools is, after all), then the Board of Trustees should welcome the non-Hawaiian students in (assuming there are open slots available for non-Hawaiian kids whose test scores are comparable to the kanaka maoli students). Then, they should continue to award "scholarships" to all the Hawaiian students out of the trust fund set up by Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop and charge the non-Hawaiian students the true cost of what an education at Kamehameha Schools would be. If the non-Hawaiian parents realized how much a Kamehameha School education is going to cost them, they might have second thoughts about trying to get their kids into the school. If the "real" tuition was comparable to say, a Punahou, wouldn't the non-Hawaiian family rather have their kid go someplace like that (assuming the kid can get in to Punahou in the first place) rather than have to put up with the disdain from the local community? And if you asked the kid if he really wanted to go to Kamehameha, he probably wouldn't care; it's his PARENTS who want a subsidized education for him.

I find it horribly ironic that the judge ruled on this while the Akaka Bill is still in limbo. But I also know that the issue isn't dead yet, despite what the plaintiff's attorney thinks. (he doesn't realize how stubborn and tenacious the kanaka maoli can be when they are fighting for their rights).

Miulang

[Keith H.]

I find it horribly ironic that the judge ruled on this while the Akaka Bill is still in limbo. But I also know that the issue isn't dead yet, despite what the plaintiff's attorney thinks. (he doesn't realize how stubborn and tenacious the kanaka maoli can be when they are fighting for their rights).

That's actually a good question to ask...personal opinions about the Akaka Bill aside, what do you think is going to happen to support for it? This could conceivably be considered a direct attack on the Hawaiian people...

[Miulang]

That's actually a good question to ask...personal opinions about the Akaka Bill aside, what do you think is going to happen to support for it? This could conceivably be considered a direct attack on the Hawaiian people...
Based on the judge's findings, I think he either 1) was not considering the status of the Akaka Bill at all, or 2) he was assuming that the Akaka Bill isn't going to pass, which personally I doubt it will now, given what I've been reading about certain Senators who believe that it's discriminatory to single out the kanaka maoli for assistance.

I don't know how a bunch of politicians who have never lived in Hawai'i can pass laws that are going to determine the future of a whole group of people who have lost so much.

Miulang

P.S. The plaintiff in the case will be entering 12th grade this coming Fall. What kind of parent would want to uproot his kid from his friends when he only has one year of high school left? I think the only reason they pursued this case is because of the precedent it sets for allowing other non-Hawaiian students into KS. Imagine, being a "poster child" to prove a point. That's child abuse, because the attorney says the kid's name will probably be made public next week. The Hawaii Channel (KITV) has a poll on its website (www.thehawaiichannel.com). The opinion is running about 3 to 1 against the judge's ruling. And I'm assuming it's not just people with vested interests in KS who are voting "no".

[craigwatanabe]

OH well the sh*t just hit the fan I guess. With this ruling I would think the trustees will reconsider it's support for the DOE and all of it's public schools because now KSBE will have to redirect it's funding towards it's own Hawaiian educational programs. The implications will be widespread. Suddenly the DOE will have to begin funding for itself the programs KSBE subsidized.

I do believe what Miulang indicated that KSBE should honor the Kanaka Maoli or native Hawaiians scholarships to attend their schools while granting full admission to non Hawaiians but charge them the full tuition costs competitive to Punahou, Mid Pac, Iolani whatever.

The key to remember is that Pauahi did indicate that KSBE was set up for the orphans of Hawaii...meaning the future generations of Hawaiian children orphaned by their ruling government...the Hawaiian Monarchy.

All children of Hawaiian descent are considered orphans of the monarchy and as such restricting assets to only those children can't be construed as discriminatory.

The Trust fund known as KSBE is like any family or corporate trust fund limiting it's dispersal to only beneficiaries of the trust...the orphans of the Hawaiian Monarchy. If the federal government says that's illegal then every family trust set up for the dispersal to only family members (Campbell estate, Damon Estate, Miulang estate, Kimo55 estate...whoever) will also be considered constitutionally discriminatory. But it's not!

The fact remains that in order to benefit from the trust, you have to be a beneficiary or in this case, the children of Hawaii, defined as orphans of the monarchy. This nails those beneficiaries to those descendants of Hawaiian blood. This is a bloodline trust much like a trust drafted for families like yours and mine but on a broader scale.

So let KSBE allow non Hawaiians to be admitted but charge those of non-Hawaiian blood the maximum tuition costs. I think it's good that non Hawaiians should bear the brunt of monetarily fixing the mess they created in the first place...the ILLEGAL OVERTHROW OF THE HAWAIIAN MONARCHY by financing Hawaiian's reparations.

This is why the Akaka bill cannot pass thru legislation. Doing so defines Hawaiians as Native Americans...something they never were or should become. Denial of the Akaka Bill allows Native Hawaiians to form their own self-governance and declare dual citizenship. When that happens KSBE cannot be discriminated against because the Kanaka Maoli will rule itself under it's own constitution.

Passage of the Akaka Bill is detrimental to all Hawaiians. It takes away the very essence of what a Hawaiian is, a citizen of the nation of Hawaii by calling them indigenous countrymen of a nation that overthrew them. In other words a total slap in the face.

KSBE is trying to preserve the essence of the cultural and financial strengths of what is left of the Kanaka Maoli. This ruling and passage of the Akaka Bill only attempts to destroy what's left of a mighty and proud people.

For crying out loud...leave these people alone. The U.S. Government took away their lands, their government, their rights, even their culture. Now they want to take their financial domain and spread it to non Hawaiians all the while stripping them of their very essence...being a native of Hawaii.

I'm proud to be an American however this action is a total travesty to the Kanaka Maoli. My grandfather was shamed to be Japanese when his motherland bombed Pearl Harbor. I'm beginning to feel the same way.

[Miulang]

My kane (who is a white bread haole from Joisey) and I were discussing this topic over Gardenburgers this evening. Even HE is incensed at the judge's decision. He pointed out that this precedent could be even more far-reaching than the admission policies at Kamehameha Schools.

Suppose, for instance, that a gentile wanted to go to a private Jewish School (yeshiva). Suppose that there were admission criteria that said only bar or bat mitzvah'ed Jews or children of Jews could attend yeshiva. With the KS decision, what would prevent a gentile who knows squat about the Jewish traditions from being granted admission? Zippo.

This decision is going to be appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court. Unfortunately, the court is so unbalanced in favor of the conservatives, I fear that the kanaka maoli and every private school that was established to try to preserve a cultural heritage and language would be in jeopardy. :mad: Why would anyone who has all sorts of other alternatives still have the audacity to try to change something that was created as a legacy to a monarch's people? Just to say it can be done? This is typical of the way Americans act...damn tradition; I just want it MY way. This is how the kanaka maoli got in trouble in the first place: in return for the respect that they gave to their visitors, all they got was the loss of their lands, their culture, their language and the future of their people.

Miulang

[adrian]

Why does a non-hawaiian want to attend Kam anyway?

What special privilage gives him the right to attend a Hawaiian school?

What, Punahou not good for him?

[craigwatanabe]

Why does a non-hawaiian want to attend Kam anyway?

Because at $1600 per year it's WAYYYY cheaper to send a child there than to Punahou.


What special privilage gives him the right to attend a Hawaiian school?

He's white! Come on man don't you know all whites are bred superior than any other race on earth? Hitler thought so...hmmm I guess Jewish people aren't white enough!


What, Punahou not good for him?

Hey I said they're superior, not wealthier. It seems the white man who wants to send their kids to KSBE is of the poor variety who cannot even get their kid into established white schools because even the white frown on the white...economically that is.

[Miulang]

Why does a non-hawaiian want to attend Kam anyway?

Because at $1600 per year it's WAYYYY cheaper to send a child there than to Punahou.


What special privilage gives him the right to attend a Hawaiian school?

He's white! Come on man don't you know all whites are bred superior than any other race on earth? Hitler thought so...hmmm I guess Jewish people aren't white enough!


What, Punahou not good for him?

Hey I said they're superior, not wealthier. It seems the white man who wants to send their kids to KSBE is of the poor variety who cannot even get their kid into established white schools because even the white frown on the white...economically that is.
I thought Punahou, Iolani, Mid Pac, etc. gave out scholarships to financially needy kids?

Miulang

[craigwatanabe]

they do but they don't advertise that fact...what needy kids tainting the snob appeal of Punahou! How dare!

[adrian]

If you want to know what mainlanders think, I've posted the article here (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=693521).

[craigwatanabe]

Most people here in Hawaii...especially Hawaiians don't give a rip what the maindlanders are saying unless its in support. Remember it's the mainland that screwed the Hawaiians. Point to Ponder.

BTW I just registered to that forum so watch out O'dea craig watanabe the motormouth is heading your way!!!

[Miulang]

If you want to know what mainlanders think, I've posted the article here (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=693521).
Cunnfunnit! Why don't Mainlanders "get it"?! A PRIVATE school doesn't get government funding, and therefore is entitled to set its admission policies any way it wants to...it can restrict admission to include only those people unfortunate enough to have polka dots on their skin and green hair, if they wanted to. This is most certainly not about race...it's about preserving a cultural heritage for the indigenous people, and on the other side, about people who want to take economic advantage of what is not theirs. Grrr...

Miulang

[craigwatanabe]

It's their ignorance to the history of Hawaii that makes them such ignorant F*CKS.

My 21-year old was part of KSBE's JROTC when they were forced to disband several years ago because they were receiving government funding for their on-campus JROTC program which by the way was one of the ROTC's most honored JROTC program in the nation rich in heritage.

KSBE said they'd rather disband than to be forced to oblige to the demands of the U.S. Constitution. KSBE doesn't receive a penny from the U.S. Taxpayer to educate it's people. It's discrimination only if you subscribe to the U.S. Constitution and they don't!!!!! DAMMIT!! :mad:

[craigwatanabe]

Read this from the Honolulu Advertiser:

The ruling comes after the Kamehameha Schools and Grant settled a 2003 lawsuit by non-Hawaiian student Brayden Mohica-Cummings, who was allowed to attend the Kamehameha Schools through the 12th grade.

If they settled the lawsuit then how come this family is still pursuing this to the 9th circuit court? If they did settle and they're still pursuing this isn't that a violation of the settlement?

I tell you this kid won't be greeted very well at Kamehameha now that he can attend.

[kimo55]

I tell you this kid won't be greeted very well at Kamehameha now that he can attend.


he better not be.

[Miulang]

Read this from the Honolulu Advertiser:

The ruling comes after the Kamehameha Schools and Grant settled a 2003 lawsuit by non-Hawaiian student Brayden Mohica-Cummings, who was allowed to attend the Kamehameha Schools through the 12th grade.

If they settled the lawsuit then how come this family is still pursuing this to the 9th circuit court? If they did settle and they're still pursuing this isn't that a violation of the settlement?

I tell you this kid won't be greeted very well at Kamehameha now that he can attend.
I'm telling you, it's the fault of his parents and his lolo attorney. They made him a poster child. You don't do that to a kid. That's child abuse. He's going to be treated the same way that the first black kids who entered desegregated schools in the South in the early 60s were, or how the first female cadets at The Citadel were treated, or the first women cadets at the Air Force Academy were treated (and still are being treated).

Miulang

[oggboy]

Too much pilikia they make for all Hawaii keiki`s. An den the lolo lawyer say this one new chapter for Hawaii......Go get a grip, cause you just wen start one more open wound for us Ka Naka Maoli. But only gotta remember
ONIPA`A KAKOU...................... STAND TOGETHER HAWAII
DA MAUI BOY :mad:

[adrian]

If you guys want to start an online petition to gain more support for this, make one (http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html) (I would, but I'm busy doing something else)

[oggboy]

Your so right about that sista. Don`t these parents realize what they are doing to this boy? Okay, they made an issue about something that was handed down by our Princess, to kokua our keiki`s of Hawaiian blood.
What these parents trying to do for there child is, as you put like child endangerment. Just like that boy KSBE Maui campus had to admit even if he no more Hawaiian blood.

It`s just not right when people act like this and make all kine scandal
MAUI BOY.....

[Miulang]

Your so right about that sista. Don`t these parents realize what they are doing to this boy? Okay, they made an issue about something that was handed down by our Princess, to kokua our keiki`s of Hawaiian blood.
What these parents trying to do for there child is, as you put like child endangerment. Just like that boy KSBE Maui campus had to admit even if he no more Hawaiian blood.

It`s just not right when people act like this and make all kine scandal
MAUI BOY.....
Wasn't the excuse they gave for the kid on Maui was that he was hanai'd into a Hawaiian family and that's why he should get accepted by KS?

Miulang

[lelei]

If they settled the lawsuit then how come this family is still pursuing this to the 9th circuit court? If they did settle and they're still pursuing this isn't that a violation of the settlement?

It's a different student. It's an entirely new family pursuing admission. The news said that this student had applied for the past four years. How can he possibly want to attend Kamehameha with the reception he'll receive from other students? In his senior year! How uncaring and insensitive of his parents who are so concerned with "I can" and "I should be able to" that they NEVER stopped to think that to Hawaiian families, KS is more than just an inexpensive school that provides a good education. KS has a heritage and purpose that this family cannot possible understand or appreciate. It's a sick comment on society that people who have NO RIGHT to benefit directly from Pauahi will use the law to undermine the her intent in establishing the schools. Dee Jay Mailer said that should the courts rule that they have to admit the student, they (the school) will treat him just as they would any other. But what type of reception do these parents think their child will receive by peers? Shame on them for attempting to steal from the true beneficiaries of the trust.

[Miulang]

Your so right about that sista. Don`t these parents realize what they are doing to this boy? Okay, they made an issue about something that was handed down by our Princess, to kokua our keiki`s of Hawaiian blood.
What these parents trying to do for there child is, as you put like child endangerment. Just like that boy KSBE Maui campus had to admit even if he no more Hawaiian blood.

It`s just not right when people act like this and make all kine scandal
MAUI BOY.....
Wasn't the excuse they gave for the kid on Maui was that he was hanai'd into a Hawaiian family and that's why he should get accepted by KS? And didn't he have a Hawaiian middle name?

Miulang

[Rudy Tuesday]

Wow, kill haole day at Kam School! Whodah thunk, except it'll be all year. Maybe they'll eat him when they're done-hey,Isn't that what happened to Captain Cook?

[craigwatanabe]

One thing I do know is that the students will be instructed not to do anything hurtful and to welcome him into the family...then eat em :eek:

Nah nah nah, but one year this Hawaiian girl accused KSBE of sexual harrassment by fellow students while attending KSBE (word on campus was that she was extorting for money). She settled out of court and the students were advised not to say anything derogatory to her. She ultimately left the school to attend another private school ON KSBE's nickle.

According to my kids who were attending Kamehameha at the time, she was a real loser and was only looking for money.

This kid who will be attending his senior year I know will be embraced by the majority of the student body because it's in the nature of the students there to be as one. There will also be some who will express anymosity and will torment this poor child and will probably be expelled for those reasons.

The honor of KSBE, it's students,faculty and supporters cannot be tarnished by this event. Chastising this child will only do just that and I'm sure the family's lawyer is waiting to pounce on anyone willing to try.

One thing I know for sure as a Christian...the mother will probably go to Hell for what she is doing to her child as well as the Hawaiian people and in the end when she'll be judged by God Almighty, justice will be served. We are finite as mortal beings and we do bad things. But when we pass on, eternal life is forever and so is your judgement. It's our day of reckoning and her screams of dispair will go unheard as she is condemned to an eternity of Hell.Or she becomes fertilizer when she dies. Either way it's not an honorable way to end up.

That's why I believe in God because if there is one, then Heaven is a nice place to end up for eternity, if there isn't a god, then who the hell cares right. But if there is a god and you don't believe, well Hell can be a pretty crappy place to end up forever. Common sense dictates that it's better to believe and live eternally happy rather than die and end up as compost.

One thing about this child though. I think her persuing this so he can attend his senior year at Kamehameha will only turn him against his mom when he begins to understand the heritage of being Kanaka Maoli. He will understand the plight of the Hawaiians and will probably curse his mom for desecrating the will of the Hawaiian people. So let this child in with open arms. Let him understand the true meaning of all things Hawaiian and let him turn against his mother as God's wrath against her.

Yeah that's mo bettah than kill Haole day! :)

[Miulang]

Maybe this latest turn of events can be used to the advantage of the kanaka maoli. Maybe this will be the last straw that will unite all of the different factions into one single strong voice, which is the only way the kanaka maoli will ever see justice served to them and their heritage. Since there is no Kamehameha to unite them, let this taking away of another part of their birthright unite them into constructive action. Imua, keiki o ka 'aina!

Miulang

[lurkah]

Maybe this latest turn of events can be used to the advantage of the kanaka maoli. Maybe this will be the last straw that will unite all of the different factions into one single strong voice, which is the only way the kanaka maoli will ever see justice served to them and their heritage. Since there is no Kamehameha to unite them, let this taking away of another part of their birthright unite them into constructive action. Imua, keiki o ka 'aina!
Too bad this website no can play background music. "Kaulana Na Pua (http://www.huapala.org/Kaulana_Na_Pua.html)" would be so apropos...

[Miulang]

Too bad this website no can play background music. "Kaulana Na Pua (http://www.huapala.org/Kaulana_Na_Pua.html)" would be so apropos...
I get cheeken skin and wa'i maka now! :(

Miulang

[alohabear]

You all make good points on your replies and I support KSBE... My only gripe is that I still feel Pauahi's vision was that of a school for ALL Hawaiians . not just the "smart and rich" who do well on a test.... But ALL the keiki! With over 6 billion dollars KSBE can afford to fund the programs for the Hawaiian keiki with special needs as well as the super elite. DOE cares so little about the Hawaiian culture and ALL the Hawaiian keiki who are not allowed in KSBE suffer. Forget about the moneies and programs KSBE gives to our public schools now....admit ALL of the keiki then maybe as a proud race , united by our culture, and one big ohana...we can ALL make things pono! Like Miulang said KSBE is a birthright for the Kanaka maoli, ALL of them.

Aloha :)

[adrian]

Does anyone know if the kid was born and raised on the mainland and came here, or born/raised here in a haole family?

And what's up with the kid trying to get into Kam for his last year of school? Where he has been going for the past 11 years?

[Glen Miyashiro]

You all make good points on your replies and I support KSBE... My only gripe is that I still feel Pauahi's vision was that of a school for ALL Hawaiians . not just the "smart and rich" who do well on a test.... But ALL the keiki! With over 6 billion dollars KSBE can afford to fund the programs for the Hawaiian keiki with special needs as well as the super elite. DOE cares so little about the Hawaiian culture and ALL the Hawaiian keiki who are not allowed in KSBE suffer. Forget about the moneies and programs KSBE gives to our public schools now....admit ALL of the keiki then maybe as a proud race , united by our culture, and one big ohana...we can ALL make things pono! Like Miulang said KSBE is a birthright for the Kanaka maoli, ALL of them.Actually, Pauahi specifically wrote that she wanted the schools to help the poor:
I direct my trustees to invest the remainder of my estate in such manner as they may think best, and to expend the annual income in the maintenance of said schools; meaning thereby the salaries of teachers, the repairing buildings and other incidental expenses; and to devote a portion of each years income to the support and education of orphans, and others in indigent circumstances, giving the preference to Hawaiians of pure or part aboriginal blood; the proportion in which said annual income is to be divided among the various objects above mentioned to be determined solely by my said trustees they to have full discretion.

(From Pauahi's will (http://ksbe.edu/pauahi/will.php))

[adrian]

Here's (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=353237) yet another mainland response to the article I posted on their forums.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Here's (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=353237) yet another mainland response to the article I posted on their forums.You might get better quality responses by posting somewhere else. That one is a subforum of a completely technical set of geek forums. What did you expect? Consider the audience.

[craigwatanabe]

You all make good points on your replies and I support KSBE... My only gripe is that I still feel Pauahi's vision was that of a school for ALL Hawaiians . not just the "smart and rich" who do well on a test.... But ALL the keiki! With over 6 billion dollars KSBE can afford to fund the programs for the Hawaiian keiki with special needs as well as the super elite. DOE cares so little about the Hawaiian culture and ALL the Hawaiian keiki who are not allowed in KSBE suffer. Forget about the moneies and programs KSBE gives to our public schools now....admit ALL of the keiki then maybe as a proud race , united by our culture, and one big ohana...we can ALL make things pono! Like Miulang said KSBE is a birthright for the Kanaka maoli, ALL of them.

Aloha :)


Alohabear, understand one thing, KSBE is asset rich yet cash poor. Their $6-billion is locked up in land assets. And guess who is trying to take those lands away from KSBE? The state government thru forced lease to fee conversions.

If KSBE were to utilize all of it's $6-billion for the education of all Hawaiians, there would be no more money left for future generations of Hawaiians.

And remember just over 90% of the student body at Kamehameha Schools are subsidized thru the trust, the majority being 100% subsidized. So monetarily, KSBE is paying for virtually all of it's student enrollment. It's not for the richest and the smartest...just the smartest that attend the campuses. The rest could care less about educational opportunities and would simply squander their place at Kamehameha with poor grades, as what happened before when admissions was based on a lottery.

So the richest don't go to Kamehameha as a matter of fact because almost 100% of the student body is 100% subsidized that means they qualified for low income based enrollment...far from being rich. I'm not rich and I pay full tuition for my boys to go there. They got there because they demonstrated the vision of Pauahi thru their grades and attitude, something some Hawaiians properly lack.

As for those who didn't get in, KSBE subsidizes (pay for) Hawaiian studies curricullum to those public schools for those students who didn't get in. KSBE's outreach programs touch those who didn't get in, including those who want to go to college despite not being an alumni.

Don't you get it? KSBE does pay for most Hawaiians' educational needs. The campuses can only take in so many. The rest have to get their trust needs thru outreach programs and scholarships.

The fact is that there are a lot of programs dedicated to the needs of Hawaiians not only thru KSBE but OHA and programs such as Alu Like. Hawaiians know these programs exists but some I'm afraid are just too friggin lazy to take advantage of all the support out there for them.

I'm 100% Japanese and when I see the kinds of support my Hawaiian family gets, I wish somehow I could just inject a drop of Hawaiian blood into my veins just so I too can take advantage of these golden opportunities.

Being a third-generation Japanese American citizen I have no economic or academic support from any agency in America! But for the Hawaiians, man you can apply and get a small business loan thru OHA plus the necessary training and support thru them to start a business. Now if you're a wartime vet and a native Hawaiian, man the VA and OHA plus educational opportunities thru KSBE is all you need to get educated and start a business.

Me I need a fat bank account and good friends at the UH to get ahead.

Hawaiians have many opportunities to get ahead in this world. KSBE is one way and not only thru it's campuses. KSBE does provide for non-alumni to benefit from the trust. KSBE does provide for Hawaiian preschoolers to attend pre schools either at their off site campus at Kapalama or any of their satellite pre schools or subsidized private preschools statewide! AND KSBE provides for public elementary,middle and high schools operated by the DOE the necessary Hawaiian culture teachings that Princess Pauahi wanted in her children.

From Preschool to college and beyond, KSBE does provide for all Hawaiians. All the Hawaiians have to do is to recognize that fact and take advantage of the many programs offered to them. Going to the campuses of KSBE is only one way to benefit from Pauahi's legacy, there are many many more ways out there but most are simply tunnel-visioned to see only the three main campuses as a way to get ahead as a Hawaiian.

If all Hawaiians had formed a chamber of commerce back in the 60's, I think their economic situation would be one of greatness instead of welfare. Strength in numbers. The Japanese, Filipino, Korean and Chinese all knew that and formed their own economic commerce networks. The Japanese Chamber of Commerce is one of Hawaii's most influential and rich institutions in the islands and it's no question who are the powerhouse names in business here in Hawaii.

KSBE offers educational opportunites that can enrich all Hawaiians regardless if their alumni of the campuses or not...my wife is one of them and she graduated from Leileihua High School in Wahiawa. She never went to Kamehameha but thru Pauahi, she got her Masters in Early Childhood Education at Chaminade thru KSBE scholarships. That's how it works!

[Miulang]

A report from Maui (http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=11125) today on the sentiments being expressed on that island.

I was reading the Advertiser forums on this topic...man oh man. If the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals had polled kanaka maoli and non kanaka maoli in Hawai'i for their opinion and then based their ruling on what they heard, the ruling would have been in favor of KSBE being able to continue its current admission policies.

In fact, on Maui, the reason that non-Hawaiian boy (whose mother was hanai'd to a Hawaiian family) got admitted to the Maui campus is because there was a slot open that couldn't be filled by a qualified kanaka maoli keiki on Maui. The boy, by the way, is doing well at KSBE.

"...Following protests of the first non-Hawaiian’s admittance to the Maui campus, Kamehameha officials announced in 2002 that they would remove potential barriers in the admissions process. Such barriers included application fees and the cutoff standard during the evaluation of student candidates.

While the school was to continue its search for the “best and brightest” Hawaiian students, it said it would emphasize in its student candidate evaluations the overall potential of each child.

Kamehameha’s former chief executive officer, Hamilton McCubbin, explained in 2002 that the school has accepted non-Hawaiians in the past when applications from Native Hawaiians have been exhausted.

Chamberlain [the current Maui headmaster] said Tuesday that all slots have been filled for this school year and the earliest a new admissions policy would take effect would be for school year 2006-07...."

I still say, open the school up to any comers, but only subsidize the education of the kanaka maoli keiki as specified in Pauahi's will. Once the parents of the non-Hawaiian children discover that the true cost of an education at KSBE is around $30,000/year, they might think twice about applying. And non Hawaiian parents have no leg to stand on by trying to sue KBSE for an equal chance at the scholarships. That would be like my grandpa putting me in his will, and a total stranger who never met my grandpa sues his estate for some of my inheritance. No way, Jose. This decision has broader implications than just the admission policies at KSBE. It could affect the right of a person (any person, black, white, yellow, brown, red) to designate his beneficiaries and what he wants to bequeath. This is bad law.

Imua!

Miulang

[pzarquon]

My only gripe is that I still feel Pauahi's vision was that of a school for ALL Hawaiians . not just the "smart and rich" who do well on a test.... But ALL the keiki!I think it's time to reorder priorities, though. While you're worried about "{x} Hawaiians but not {y} Hawaiians getting in," clearly the larger looming issue is having the doors forced open to anyone and everyone. If you think the odds of attending Kamehameha were bad under the current Hawaiians-first policy -- whether it favor academic excellence or the economically disadvantaged -- imagine what it'll be like when every parent in Hawaii sends in an application.

If the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals had polled kanaka maoli and non kanaka maoli in Hawai'i for their opinion and then based their ruling on what they heard, the ruling would have been in favor of KSBE being able to continue its current admission policies.Um, except, thank god, or courts are not popularity contests or public polls. There will, hopefully in fact, always be cases where decisions will go against the prevailing public opinion. Their charge is to make the right decision, not the one that'll make everyone happy.

The fact of the matter is, without something like the Akaka Bill in place, there's a very sound, reasonable, legal case to be made challenging KSBE's admissions policy. We know Native Hawaiians are a special class due more to political disenfranchisement than due to race, but until that's codified in law, it's irrelevant, and until KSBE is exempt from U.S. law (which is, of course, quite unlikely), it's stuck.

I still say, open the school up to any comers, but only subsidize the education of the kanaka maoli keiki as specified in Pauahi's will.I've long held a similar opinion. Having "race-based" admissions might be contrary to federal law, but certainly there are scholarship programs across this country that are completely in the clear to designate their beneficiaries based on ethnicity, economic class, heck, even hair color or favorite flavor of gum. So, if admissions must be open, at least price the education competitively, and meanwhile heavily subsidize Native Hawaiian kids.

The problem with this? There will always be a large community of people who will happily buy their kids' way into Kamehameha, regardless of price. So KSBE will become more a school of the financially elite rather than the motivated, or deserving. Then, further down the line, you'll soon run into issues where there will be calls for ratios -- say, open enrollment student population versus scholarship population -- and you can't very well say KSBE's student body will be 99.9 percent KSBE scholarship recipients (i.e. Native Hawaiians) without running into the same sticky thorns that have snagged 'em now.

It's a mess. No doubt about it. And my reading of the 9th Circuit decision and past calls by the Supreme Court make it seem like its chances of even being heard are nil, and that should it make it onto the calendar, it'll have a slim chance of finding any fans.

Again, without some special political class a la Native Americans set in law, the courts can only go by what's on the books today, and by those books, KSBE is in a very dark and scary area.

[waioli kai]

Kamehameha Schools is not a " 'Hawaii' ( US recognized) State" supported corporation/group/peoples/people/terrorist/racist/anti-US entity that must pretend to be as righteous as is now professes to be US of the United States in their wars in defense of FDA-approved 'Drugs', in defense of corporUSizm, in defense of Freedom-by-US, in defense of Liberty-for-US, in defense of Just-for-US, and a plethora of other U$izms afflicting Humanity.

Attorneys, estates (Campbell), newspapers (Thurston's Advertiser) who give not a hoot for civil rights, who in fact are in/of the same immoral pool of vested US 'Americans' whose generations expropriated the wealth of the Americas and virtually decimated the native populations of North America, light up in self-righteous condemnation of Kamahameha Schools century old policies of helping to bring back from the virtual equivalent of genocide, from the brink of extinction, the soul of the people of the islands, rescuing their identity, their culture, their respect for the aina.

Hawaiian-Only School Policy Struck Down (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1123059913831#)
Warren Lutz
The Recorder
08-04-2005


In a case of first impression, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that a private Hawaiian school's policy of accepting only native Hawaiian students amounts to racial discrimination and breaks federal law.

Ninth Circuit Judge Jay Bybee, writing for a 2-1 majority, said he disagreed with a U.S. district judge that the Kamehameha Schools' policy "constituted a valid, race-conscious remedial affirmative action program." Senior Judge Robert Beezer concurred.

The ruling was a victory for Eric Grant of Sacramento's Sweeney & Grant, who represented a high school student who was denied admission to Kamehameha Schools ....

Grant said he got the case through a mutual friend who knew Hawaiian litigator and co-counsel John Goemans.

"For a school to survive this long and very brazenly and openly say 'no non-Hawaiians need apply' very much intrigued me," he said.

So attorney Grant was/is so "very much intrigued" he sets out on a mission to enhance civil rights ? Of course not !

[Miulang]

For the legal counsel, I think it was more about the potential to make some big money (both lawyers took the case up on contingency) than it was to make a point. Now if they had defended the case pro bono and not asked for compensation, then I would say it was ethical. Now KSBE not only has to admit the boy into the school but it also has to compensate his attorneys, too.

Miulang

[Miulang]

Haha! The lawyer representing the student tried to negotiate (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=33884) a settlement with KSBE but they turned him down. Good for KSBE for sticking to its guns. And once the school files an en banc petition, the student's admission will be delayed for as long as it takes for another hearing, and in this case, it may take until after the student graduates.

"...Eric Grant, a Sacramento lawyer who represents the youth, offered to negotiate an agreement that would allow the high school senior to attend Kamehameha classes when they start this month.

But the school's trustees firmly believe in its admissions policy and yesterday rejected the offer, said Ann Botticelli, Kamehameha's vice president of community relations and communications.

Instead, the school will file the request for what's known as an "en banc" hearing that would automatically stay the enforcement of this week's decision for what could be months or more than a year, she said.

That would essentially mean that the school would not have to accept the student until possibly after his senior year is completed because the court process could take that long or longer...."

That's a good one...use the legal tools of the Western world against him, just as he uses his tools against you...justice may prevail after all!

Imua! Apparently the decision of the 9th District Circuit Court of Appeals really is rallying (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050804/NEWS23/508040362/1001) the kanaka maoli to gather as a single voice. THIS is how they will preserve their birthright. "Don't just get mad. Get even and prosper!"

The decision also has some private same sex schools (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/04/news/index2.html) in Hawai'i worried that their admission policies might also be challenged.

Some Hawaiian activists, in the heat of the moment, have called for wreaking havoc on the tourist industry in retribution. I pray that they don't mess with that, because it might lead to some serious consequences which will set their cause back even further. However, I think the kanaka maoli should concentrate their energies on doing as much as they can to fight for the Hawaiian-first admission policies at KSBE.

Miulang

[alohabear]

And remember just over 90% of the student body at Kamehameha Schools are subsidized thru the trust, the majority being 100% subsidized. So monetarily, KSBE is paying for virtually all of it's student enrollment. It's not for the richest and the smartest...just the smartest that attend the campuses. The rest could care less about educational opportunities and would simply squander their place at Kamehameha with poor grades, as what happened before when admissions was based on a lottery.

I see your point craig... but you have to admit in to the statement that they only take the smartest. The majority of students in our public schools today with special needs are part-hawaiian living on fixed incomes. So is KSBE training the smartest to lead these peons or to look down on them? I like you am 100% japanese( 4TH gerneration) . What if they had a school for only smart japanese? You and I might be there ...but many may not and anykind of discrimination is wrong. I know KSBE can not take ALL ...but have a lottery open without a test give ALL( the hawaiians) a Chance.

[waioli kai]

Thanks Miulang for the clarifying the issue further. Perhaps you already know that Bush's nominee to Supreme Court John G. Roberts, Jr. argued the OHA elections case on behalf of the State of Hawaii at the Supreme Court against the same attorney now arguing against Kamehameha Schools admission policy.

Do you know of any info regarding Campbell Estate's role in supporting opposition to Kamehameha School's admission policies, supporting opposition to most all that gives preference to enabling those of Hawaiian lineage? Working (ie, whoring lawyers) to kill the last remaining "goose that lays golden eggs" for the people of Hawaii lineage benefiting all of Hawaii, is a despicable occupation most benefiting immoral and amoral attorneys who promote disenfranchisement of Hawaiians.

[Miulang]

I don't know why the Estate would want to get involved in something as political as the KSBE issue, since the only reason they are so wealthy is because of the largesse of the ali'i who gave them the land they own today. With the trust itself embroiled in disputes over who gets what portion of the proceeds from the dissolution of the Trust into a for-profit business in 2007, would they really want to jeopardize what they still hold just to make a political statement?

From what I have gleaned from their home page, their main holding in Hawai'i is in Kapolei. They have interests in 14 other states. They are not solely tied to the fortunes of Hawai'i. I keep timing out when I try to see what kinds of grants their foundation has awarded over the years, or the criteria for awards. I'll keep trying to get into that part of their website. Seeing what the Foundation has supported in the past would be a pretty good indication of how they feel about kanaka maoli sovereignty.

Miulang

P.S. Yes, I knew Roberts was involved in the Rice v. Cayetano case.

[Miulang]

I see your point craig... but you have to admit in to the statement that they only take the smartest. The majority of students in our public schools today with special needs are part-hawaiian living on fixed incomes. So is KSBE training the smartest to lead these peons or to look down on them? I like you am 100% japanese( 4TH gerneration) . What if they had a school for only smart japanese? You and I might be there ...but many may not and anykind of discrimination is wrong. I know KSBE can not take ALL ...but have a lottery open without a test give ALL( the hawaiians) a Chance.
AlohaBear:Rationing a scarce resource like slots to attend KSBE is a reality. Someone pointed out in another post on this thread that KSBE DOES try to help those who don't meet the admission criteria by providing funding to the DOE for Hawaiian enrichment classes in the public school system. This, in turn, gives all students in Hawai'i, regardless their ethnicity, a chance to learn about the kanaka maoli. I wish I could have had some of that education when I was in school in Hawai'i. I've had to learn stuff on my own because I have an interest in it. The reason KSBE picks the "best and the brightest" is because those are the kids who have the most chance of success and of becoming leaders in their communities to "give back" for the privilege of being given such a good education. When you're fighting an uphill battle against a really swift flowing stream, you're not going to want to use a rowboat...you're going to want to use the most powerful jet boat you can afford.

All private schools have similar criteria: they have limited resources, so they want to take the expense and the time to nurture those who will succeed, not those who will just coast along. Private education is a privilege, not a right. At least at KSBE, the students are taught humility, unlike other private schools where the privilege is taken to an obscene extreme.

Miulang

[craigwatanabe]

[QUOTE=craigwatanabe]

And remember just over 90% of the student body at Kamehameha Schools are subsidized thru the trust, the majority being 100% subsidized. So monetarily, KSBE is paying for virtually all of it's student enrollment. It's not for the richest and the smartest...just the smartest that attend the campuses. The rest could care less about educational opportunities and would simply squander their place at Kamehameha with poor grades, as what happened before when admissions was based on a lottery.

I see your point craig... but you have to admit in to the statement that they only take the smartest. The majority of students in our public schools today with special needs are part-hawaiian living on fixed incomes. So is KSBE training the smartest to lead these peons or to look down on them? I like you am 100% japanese( 4TH gerneration) . What if they had a school for only smart japanese? You and I might be there ...but many may not and anykind of discrimination is wrong. I know KSBE can not take ALL ...but have a lottery open without a test give ALL( the hawaiians) a Chance.

If you had limited resources and had to choose who will get the higher education for the benefit of all would you teach someone who has limited intellectual ability? How would they perpetuate the knowledge they failed to understand? KSBE encourages all of it's students (upper grade levels) to take what they learned from KSBE and teach their people. KSBE cannot do it alone but their alumni can continue to help their own from the knowledge gained thru education.

The Hawaiians can be smart and most are. The Japanese like you and I were brought up with values taught to the Nisei from the immigrant parents who worked the sugarcane fields, telling our parents and grandparents to become successful, go to school and become leaders in your communities. And we did. Many Hawaiians grew up in multigenerational welfare families where successive generations only knew that subsidy was the way of life.

KSBE is trying to change that by intellectualizing the keiki of Hawaiian descent. That is what Pauahi's vision was. But the lottery system wasn't working and KSBE found itself doing exactly what I had just mentioned, that they were teaching the cultural heritage and education to children less interested in helping their own. Some refused to take advantage of the learning environment of KSBE and simply failed the process. KSBE wasted hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars trying to educate all Hawaiians.

In the 80's the trustees changed their admissions policies allowing only the best and brightest to enter the campuses of KSBE. But as all students were told on orientation night and through out their time spent at the schools, "enrollment here at Kamehameha Schools is a priviledge and were encouraged to help those who didn't make the cut. Money well spent, and wisely too.

The spirit of Pauahi's trust was meant to perpetuate the Hawaiian culture thru it's children. Education is the foundation of that trust and trying to educate those unwilling to learn cost the estate more than it could maintain.

Teach those who want to learn and have demonstrated (thru their attitude and previous grades) the will to live Pauahi's vision then go out and help your brothers and sisters so they too can be proud to be Hawaiian.

Like I said before: The three campuses are not the only vehicles of dispensing the assets of Pauahi's trust. The campuses are a priviledge not a right. The trust is a right to all Hawaiian children and is administered in many more ways, the campuses are just three of countless programs KSBE sponsors or administers to satisfy the vision of Pauahi.

By the way there is a school for only smart Japanese...it's called Iolani :D

And I was financially restricted from going there back in the 70's.

The problem with the attitudes of some who didn't get in is that these children didn't strive to get good grades or want to help others of their culture. All they wanted (more likely their parents wanted) was to get into a prestigeous school without the discipline of wanting to learn.

Would you want someone on your team that didn't do anything but brag about being on it?

I'm a somewhat smart Japanese but went to public school (Kalani 78) and didn't feel a bit embarrassed that I was labeled the Punahou reject because it was the place most students of Kalani wanted to go but didn't make the cut.

The only difference is that my culture is purely American. I take after my grandfather and my father who swore allegience to the United States of America after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Our heritage was disgraced by Hirohito and were ashamed to be Japanese.

The Kanaka Maoli are as proud to be Hawaiian as I am to be American for the same reasons. A foreign country had invaded us and we refuse to bow under to their terror and we swear our allegience.

KSBE is sworn to perpetuate the Hawaiian culture and will do whatever it takes to do it even if it means restricting entrance to their main campuses to only the best and brightest Hawaiians willing to continue the will of Bernice Pauahi Bishop...Princess Pauahi that is.

I was sworn to protect the homelands of the United States of America when I joined the US Air Force back in 1978 and was part of the chosen few who passed Basic Training. Those of us who made that cut protect the rights of all Americans. KSBE students passed the admissions testing and made the cut to protect the culture of all Hawaiians.

Like some Hawaiians who didn't get in, there are a lot of self-righteous Americans out there who mock the US Military even though American service men and women are out there protecting their right to hate them. The same goes for KSBE students and graduates. My wife tries to help Hawaiian Title One families cope thru their situations and yet these parents demand more services all the while doing less to help themselves.

Can you imagine these same people as our nation's protectors and teachers?

That's why you have to go thru basic training to be our nation's protectors. That's why KSBE limits its enrollment to their best and brightest and to catch those who didn't make it (despite their indifference) thru their outreach programs.

There are valid reasons why some make it and some don't. KSBE's reasons are valid.

[alohabear]

Thanks craig and miulang for the kind words. KSBE is creating leaders( not only newscasters) for the next generation. Let's hope there is a generation for these leaders to lead.

[LikaNui]

KSBE is trying to change that by intellectualizing the keiki of Hawaiian descent. That is what Pauahi's vision was.
(...)
The spirit of Pauahi's trust was meant to perpetuate the Hawaiian culture thru it's children.
(...)
The trust is a right to all Hawaiian children.
A most excellent reply, Craig. But regarding the quotes above, I'm curious what you and the other folks here feel about something:
The will can be read in its entirety (and it's surprisingly short) at http://www.ksbe.edu/pauahi/will.php . Dated October 31, 1883, the part relevant to the current issue reads as follows:

"I direct my trustees to invest the remainder of my estate in such manner as they may think best, and to expend the annual income in the maintenance of said schools; meaning thereby the salaries of teachers, the repairing buildings and other incidental expenses; and to devote a portion of each years income to the support and education of orphans, and others in indigent circumstances, giving the preference to Hawaiians of pure or part aboriginal blood"

Given that, it would seem her real intent was primarily to help the underprivileged, as opposed to the "best and brightest"? And that she had no objection to non-Hawaiians as long as the "preference" went to Hawaiians first?

Also, I found it interesting that the will stipulates:
"I also direct that the teachers of said schools shall forever be persons of the Protestant religion, but I do not intend that the choice should be restricted to persons of any particular sect of Protestants."
Is that clause still in effect?

[Miulang]

A most excellent reply, Craig. But regarding the quotes above, I'm curious what you and the other folks here feel about something:
The will can be read in its entirety (and it's surprisingly short) at http://www.ksbe.edu/pauahi/will.php . Dated October 31, 1883, the part relevant to the current issue reads as follows:

"I direct my trustees to invest the remainder of my estate in such manner as they may think best, and to expend the annual income in the maintenance of said schools; meaning thereby the salaries of teachers, the repairing buildings and other incidental expenses; and to devote a portion of each years income to the support and education of orphans, and others in indigent circumstances, giving the preference to Hawaiians of pure or part aboriginal blood"

Given that, it would seem her real intent was primarily to help the underprivileged, as opposed to the "best and brightest"? And that she had no objection to non-Hawaiians as long as the "preference" went to Hawaiians first?

Also, I found it interesting that the will stipulates:
"I also direct that the teachers of said schools shall forever be persons of the Protestant religion, but I do not intend that the choice should be restricted to persons of any particular sect of Protestants."
Is that clause still in effect?
The Princess could not have known what would happen 100 years after she wrote that will. In a perfect world, I think her words would mean yes, all children, with a preference for kanaka maoli keiki, should be allowed to enroll at KSBE.

One hundred years later, the issue is allocation of scarce resources. Even if KSBE was able to accommodate all Hawaiian children, would there be room for the non Hawaiian children? I doubt it. The Trustees, in interpreting Pauahi's wishes today, had to decide what was best for the Trust and for the future of the keiki o ka 'aina. As Craig stated above, if the intent of KSBE is to educate students to be leaders who give back to their communities and who uphold the kanaka maoli tradition, where would you draw the line?

The Native Americans have this vision for their people: they live today as if they were planning for the future of people 7 generations into the future. The KSBE Board of Trustees is trying to ensure that there is something left of the kanaka maoli heritage 7 generations into the future. To do so would be to deny Pauahi's wishes.

Nowadays, religion is not such a big deal unless you're a zealot. I'm sure KSBE doesn't discriminate against teachers who are Protestant, so long as they don't bring their religion into the classroom, because that is US law. If Hawai'i was still a monarchy, Protestants probably would be banned from teaching at KSBE.

Miulang

P.S. It's also interesting that Pauahi made special note of assisting children who were orphans. In kanaka maoli families, they will usually hanai children to relatives or other ohana. So there were probably very few kanaka maoli "orphans".

[Stephen]

LikaNui,

I too noticed that "preference" was used as well, but figured I really didn't have much worthwhile to add to the debate. Was her intent to allow all poor students an opportunity to attend regardless of whether they are Hawaiian or non-Hawaiian? Or was she hoping to give preferential admission treatment to those students of Hawaiian blood? Who's to say?

I do find it interesting that (I haven't noticed anyone) no one has mentioned the they find themselves in a peculiar intellectual predicament - I do, and here's my thoughts . . .

The fact that the KSBE schools are currently reserved for those of Hawaiian blood is in and of itself biased (call it what you will - preferential, racist, separatist - whatever.) Any school/institution that only allows a certain anything (anything being broad term - sex, color, religion, ethnic background and so on) to apply and attend is not only discriminating, but absolutely excluding all others. In pretty much every situation, this is something that ALL of us should be absolutely against. Discrimination/exclusion rarely ever leads to good things.

I will however say that I support the school - I'm not really sure why though. I think my very limited understanding of Hawaiian history and culture offers me enough justification.

Someone (Apologies! I think it was Muilang) suggested opening the school, but using the scholarships strictly for Hawaiians - not a bad idea in my opinion. . . . .

Just some thoughts - feel free to show me the error in my logic

Stephen

[LikaNui]

In a perfect world, I think her words would mean yes, all children, with a preference for kanaka maoli keiki, should be allowed to enroll at KSBE.
One hundred years later, the issue is allocation of scarce resources. Even if KSBE was able to accommodate all Hawaiian children, would there be room for the non Hawaiian children? I doubt it.
Excellent input. Thanks, Miulang.
However, regarding "scarce resources" -- KSBE has assets totalling over 6 BILLION dollars. That's a long way from "scarce". :p
I happen to know an individual whose net worth is just over one billion. His income is roughly ten million per month, and that's strictly interest, without touching the principal. So if KSBE's principal is worth six times that, then imagine what they could do for the keiki if they really wanted to.
Just my two cents (or less) worth. Thanks again for your input!

[Stephen]

LikaNui,

I believe most of the $6 billion in assets is tied up in land ownership - not cash money.

Stephen

[Miulang]

. . .

The fact that the KSBE schools are currently reserved for those of Hawaiian blood is in and of itself biased (call it what you will - preferential, racist, separatist - whatever.) Any school/institution that only allows a certain anything (anything being broad term - sex, color, religion, ethnic background and so on) to apply and attend is not only discriminating, but absolutely excluding all others. In pretty much every situation, this is something that ALL of us should be absolutely against. Discrimination/exclusion rarely ever leads to good things.


Stephen
Let's just extrapolate the "racist/discriminatory issue" to a discussion of all- boys, or all-girls or Catholic schools. Should all boys schools or all girls schools allow students of the opposite sex to enroll? Should non-Catholic students be allowed to enroll in parochial school? The integration of all boys schools (as in The Citadel case or the military academies) has not been without controversy. Many of the all girl schools tried to allow males to enroll, but they proved to be disruptive. Some have reverted back to being only all girls schools or only allow boys to attend the day school.

The KSBE controversy is a little different from the above cases because what you're talking about here is not about a race, it's about a heritage and a culture that was nearing extinction. Why aren't non Indian students trying to get into Indian Schools on the reservations? Isn't that discriminatory too? I mean in Indian School you learn about reading, writing and arithmetic, too, but you also learn about your culture, your history. IF there was room at KSBE to allow all qualified students of Hawaiian ancestry in, there certainly wouldn't be any room for the non-Hawaiian ones. So then you'd have to set up quotas. Is that any more fair or less discriminatory than the current admission policies at KBSE today?

Finally, remember that KSBE is a PRIVATE school that doesn't accept any money from the feds. Therefore, they should be able to administer their admission policies any way they danged well please.

Miulang

[Stephen]

Muilang,
I'm not saying I disagree with keeping all boys schools all boys (and so on) or encouraging the integration at KSBE - my comment is to admit that it is discriminatory. That's it. Nothing more than an admission that it is discriminatory.

I will say that your last comment is pretty short sighted - being a private school doesn't allow a school to just do as they please. Obviously you are able to set up your own guidelines, etc, but it doesn't give you a right to bar a child of Japanese, or African or whatever ethnicity from attending. Imagine you opened a school and refused to enroll people of Hawaiian ancestry. . . .

Again, I'm not saying I'm against what KSBE is doing - I'm just looking for an Amen - I guess that's what I'm looking for. . . an Amen.
Stephen

[Glen Miyashiro]

And just like affirmative action, sometimes discrimination isn't a bad thing.

[Miulang]

And just like affirmative action, sometimes discrimination isn't a bad thing.
And some people are more "equal" than others! :D

Miulang

[LikaNui]

LikaNui, I believe most of the $6 billion in assets is tied up in land ownership - not cash money.
Well of course it is. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. But the income from that real estate (and their other investments) is half a gazillion dollars a month.

[Miulang]

Muilang,

I will say that your last comment is pretty short sighted - being a private school doesn't allow a school to just do as they please. Obviously you are able to set up your own guidelines, etc, but it doesn't give you a right to bar a child of Japanese, or African or whatever ethnicity from attending. Imagine you opened a school and refused to enroll people of Hawaiian ancestry. . . .

Amen, BUT...also consider this: Hawai'i was a sovereign nation with treaties with several countries before it was illegally taken by the US in 1893. The kanaka maoli don't consider themselves American first; they consider themselves Hawaiian first...Americans second unlike most residents.

In 1993, the 103rd Joint Session of the US Senate & Congress issued a proclamation (http://www.hookele.com/non-hawaiians/apology.html) "...to acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii..." In other words, the US government apologized for taking the land away from the kanaka maoli.

"...The Congress -

(1) on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people;

(2) recognizes and commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;

(3) apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination;

(4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, in order to provide a proper foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and

(5) urges the President of the United States to also acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii and to support reconciliation efforts between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people. ..."


Nothing has ever come out of that apology except more and more attempts to take even more away from the indigenous people of Hawai'i. Queen Liliuokalani relinquished the throne to spare her people from slaughter, not because she thought it would be the best thing for them. She was kept under house arrest...imagine if Queen Elizabeth was put under house arrest.

Miulang

[Miulang]

Interesting little LTE (http://ili.nativeweb.org/rice.html) I found in response to an essay by John Goemans (the guy who was co-representing the plaintiff in the latest KSBE suit) about the Rice v. Cayetano suit in which the State argued that only kanaka maoli should be entitled to vote for representatives on the OHA Board. the LTE was written by Steven Newcomb,
Director of the Indigenous Law Institute
and research fellow at the Fourth World Center for the Study of Indigenous Law and Politics at the University of Colorado at Denver.

Miulang

[craigwatanabe]

Well of course it is. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. But the income from that real estate (and their other investments) is half a gazillion dollars a month.

No you're absolutely wrong...it's half a bazillion not a gazillion dollars :D

Anyway when she meant the orphaned children she basically meant children of Hawaiian descent orphaned by the loss of their indegneous nation, the nation of Hawaii.

Nothing was said about less priviledge children right? And yes she couldn't have seen the implications of her vision as she believed Hawaii at the time would never fall prey to the U.S. Constitution.

Because the overthrow of the monarchy was illegal and despite the vast majority of signatures on that petition against annexation, her trust should be under the jurisdiction of the monarchy. That jurisdiction didn't have any provisions regarding race bias. If the overthrow was legal then all trusts should have been absolved but they weren't because the integrity of the trust remains intact for as long as the U.S. Government views the overthrow as illegal.

The fact that the U.S. Government made an official apology AND that the U.S. Government recognizes ceded lands and lands belonging to KSBE at all indicates an admission that the there are still assets to the Kingdom of Hawaii. Otherwise when the overthrow was finalized all ceded and royal lands should have been recognized as federal land falling under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Government.

The overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii was illegal and thus all legal documents and laws issued by that kingdom should still be considered valid including all land trusts such as KSBE's. Because of that any interpretation of legality should fall under the jurisdiction of the laws governing that kingdom, not the U.S. Government's. That logic is simple and very clear.

The big Pandora's box has cracked open and if the final Supreme Court's ruling is against KSBE then all institutions of bias will be affected whether it be religion, race, creed or sex.

The implications are widespread. Men can play in the LPGA and literally wipe out all leading contenders (with the exception of Michelle Wie...you go girl!!). Men will be able to attend all women's colleges as well skewing college sporting like never seen before. Imagine a women's college basketball team with top ranked NCAA men on their team.

Men will be able to enter women's public restrooms! Get the picture? whether it's race or sex it's discrimination with no exceptions. KSBE was an exception because of the overthrow of their government. This ruling bars any exception. Thus all women's institutions will be illegal as well. These women's institutions were created so women can compete at upper levels of play against fairly matched women and can claim victories for their efforts.

Affirmative Action will also be affected as it's reverse discrimination. It's exceptional because of the need for biased races to gain an equal footing against the "superior" white man. KSBE's campuses are in the same exception. To allow native Hawaiians gain an equal footing against all foreigners that destroyed their independance.

[LikaNui]

No you're absolutely wrong...it's half a bazillion not a gazillion dollars :D
My bad.
:p

Anyway when she meant the orphaned children she basically meant children of Hawaiian descent orphaned by the loss of their indegneous nation, the nation of Hawaii.
But, um, her will was written in 1883, well before the overthrow, right? So are you sure that's what she meant?
Mind you, I'm 100% in favor of the school being for Hawaiians, and I'm just playing 'devil's advocate' here with the questions, folks. Lots of good input here from all of you.

[Miulang]

In 1999, a group of kanaka maoli came up with a list (http://www.nativeweb.org//pages/legal/racism.html) that defined what "racism" meant in terms of all indigenous people. This is why today, Native Americans will also join with the kanaka maoli to work for what is their birthright.

In a couple of weeks, the city of Kalama, WA (yes, it's a Hawaiian name) will celebrate the 175th anniversary of the arrival of John Kalama (from Kula) to the Pacific NW. John Kalama (http://www.cityofkalama.com/history.htm) married a Native American princess, and his family and its many descendants still live proudly in harmony in Wakinikona.

Miulang

[Miulang]

Anybody ever heard of the Ku'e Petitions (http://stopakaka.com/2003/911.html) of 1897? Fascinating stuff.

"...The Ku'e Petition against annexation (ku'e means "resist") was signed by over 21,000 Hawaiian nationals - men's and women's in about equal numbers. Another petition was conducted at the same time calling for the restoration of the constitutional monarchy of Hawaii, gathering 17,000 signatures. The Native Hawaiian population at the time was less than 40,000. To give a perspective relevant for today, pretty much every Hawaiian alive can find direct ancestors who signed their names to this document resisting the American occupation of their country...."

It only took the leaders of the anti-annexation campaign 2 short weeks to get those signatures. And the most ironic thing of all is the petition was signed by the president and secretary of the men's and women's branches of Hui Aloha 'Aina on Sept. 11, one hundred four years before the tragedy at the WTC.

Miulang

[Miulang]

The words (Hawaiian and English) to the Hawai'i State Song "Hawai'i Pono'i", whose words were written by King David Kalakaua:

Hawaii ponoi Nana i kou, moi (Hawaii's own true sons, be loyal to your chief)
Kalani Alii, ke Alii (Your country's liege and lord, the Alii).
Makua lani e Kamehameha e(Father above us all, Kamehameha)
Na kaua e pale Me ka ihe (Who guarded in the war with his ihe).

And the lyrics to "Hawai'i Aloha" the "unofficial" anthem:

E Hawai'i , e ku'u one hanau e
Ku'u home kulaiwi nei
'Oli no au i na pono lani e
E Hawai'i, aloha e

Hui Chorus:
E hau'oli na 'opio o Hawai'i nei
'Oli e! 'Oli e!
Mai na aheahe makani e pa mai nei
Mau ke aloha, no Hawai'i

O Hawaii, O sands of my birth
My native home
I rejoice in the blessings of heaven
O Hawai'i, aloha
Happy youth of Hawai'i
Rejoice! Rejoice!
Gentle breezes blow
Love always for Hawai'i

Both these songs are sung by locals no matter where they are...Hawai'i always will be their home, no matter how far away they may travel.

Miulang

[Stephen]

Muilang,

Baby, all I've got to say is that I love you! (no really I'm not wasted!! :) ) I got my Amen and that's all I was looking for.

I love this forum (and the very few books that I've read on Hawaii) in regards to learning more about Hawaiian culture. It's truly sad that as a student on the mainland - I never learned d#ck about Hawaii. "It's just another state" - is the lessson we were taught. Kamehameha - what? Is that some kind of Karate move? A new sushi? Okay, so now I'm poking fun at our educational institutions on the mainland. What's really sad is that my Mom busted her arse to put me through the best (arguably) private schools in St. Louis. At least now I know and can share what little I know about Hawaii and it's people with everyone I come into contact with. Like that preposition at the end of a sentence? We've perfected that in STL.

In any case, you wonderful locals, natives, visiting ex-pats will get to have me visit your wonderful home. I do hope to share a beer with all of you (maybe not at the same time, but eventually,) and not just cause I love beer. All of you seem to be great peeps. And if you're really unlucky, I might punish you with some of my guitar playing.

Viva Hawaii!

Stephen (Kepano)

[waioli kai]

Hawaiian diaspora, among other not so pacific US quagmires

Empires, their emperors and their respective imperial supporters get themselves into the most impossible positions. Since
U.S. misadventures/crimes of commission and omission in Hawaii (1893 to present), Philippines (1893 through Ferdinand Marcos'US's Benigno Aquino assassination regime 1980's), including of course most of Southeast Asia throughout the most recent past century were not deemed to be "a quagmire" until US's U.S. War on Vietnam on behalf of corporUSizm and the pre-Civil Rights 'r US was popularly (within, at last, as now, the judicial domain of "the United States") deemed to be "a quagmire"...

Since some of such U.S. misadventures/crimes of commission and omission in the past century were not popularly deemed to be "a quagmire" until 1970's, one can only be in awe of what US projects for US (for the U.S. and all Humanity to serve, when not otherwise obey)
in 2!st Century BCE!!

[Stephen]

Obviously everyone knows I've been overserved this evening. It's a glorious thing - I might just go streaking! just kidding.

Anyway, here's my bull puckey. In my sometimes worthless opinion (however sometimes it's like gold - admit it, I know you want to!) shouldn't/don't Hawaiians fall under the same "classification" as "Native" Americans? i.e. shouldn't Hawaiian's receive a monthly stipulation and free college like "Native" Americans?

Just a thought. . . . . .

Ragin Cajun (Kepano/Stephen)

[Stephen]

Waioli,

This is America. Would you please speak Spanish? Or Pidgin? Your points almost look understandable - but I don't have a degree in gibberish.

RC

[waioli kai]

anti-KS lawyer/contingency gamblers' justices

...The right to annex the Hawaiian Islands by treaty was not denied at the time of the Newlands Resolution, the memo says. But it was denied that annexation could be achieved in a constitutional manner by a simple legislative act. The memo quotes a constutional law scholar as observing that "only by means of treaties...can the relations" between nations "be governed," for "a legislative act is necessarily without extraterritorial force." A legislative act, such as a joint resolution, is "confined in its application to the territory of the" nation "by whose legislature it is enacted. ..."

Miulang, from the likes of such reasoning as presented in the LTE (http://ili.nativeweb.org/rice.html)* you linked it can only be that the two federal justices of the 9th circuit who voted on behalf of anti-KS lawyer/contingency gamblers Goeman's and Grant's arguments against KS, it can only be that those justices know all they feel they need to know about these islands and the peoples from some cursory education and experience.

* http://ili.nativeweb.org/rice.html

[waioli kai]

I don't know why (Campbell) Estate would want to get involved in something as political as the KSBE issue, since the only reason they (Campbell) are so wealthy is because of the largesse of the ali'i who gave them the land they own today. With the trust itself embroiled in disputes over who gets what portion of the proceeds from the dissolution of the Trust into a for-profit business in 2007, would they really want to jeopardize what they still hold just to make a political statement?

Here is some parphrased info I came across:

In 1877, Campbell, an immigrant to Maui, allegedly paid $95,000 for 41,000 acres in Oahu's Ewa plain. Now Campbell Estate's real estate portfolio includes 71,800 acres of property on O`ahu, Maui and the Big Island, as well as 53 properties in 12 mainland states.

Campbell is a private trust whose income goes directly to descendants of pioneering businessman Campbell. They pay the taxes. It’s anticipated that the current 25 beneficiaries will grow to 34 by 2007 when the estate is to be terminated under terms of Campbell’s will.

Campbell may be second to Bishop in size, but it holds 62,500 acres of land, including 28,000 acres on Oahu. That gives it more than 13 percent of Oahu’s private land. Campbell’s assets, about half in Mainland real estate, are nearly $2 billion.

Additional info www.campbellestate.com sheds no light on Campbell Estate benficiarys', trustees', management's attitude with regard to Kamehameha Schools.
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from Buzzards of Paradi$e (http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BuzzardsOfParadise.htm) Hawaiians call them lawyers:

Shyster lawyers—a set of turkey buzzards whose touch is pollution
and whose breath is pestilence. – G. G. Foster, New York in Slices, 1849

[Miulang]

What a bunch of hooey from the attorney representing the student in the KSBE lawsuit. Now he's likening KSBE's stance to the one George Wallace took when the public schools of Alabama were ordered to be desegregated.

That kind of statement is racist, condescending and insulting. I'm glad KSBE said "see you in court." Obviously the attorney thought he could get KSBE to cave in and allow his client to enter KSBE for his senior year. He proposed the same kind of "compromise (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050805/NEWS20/508050369/1170/NEWS)" that was used in the Maui case:

"...He said he proposed that in exchange for the school admitting the student, he would agree that the 2-1 decision would not be a final enforceable judgment covering any other person, pending the outcome of all court challenges.

Grant called the rejection of his offer "unfortunate" and referred to Wallace standing on campus steps in 1963 and vowing to refuse entry to black students. "To me, that's the attitude they're taking," he said...."

The only reason he said what he did about agreeing that the judgement wouldn't apply to any other non-Hawaiian student until all the issues are finally resolved is because he probably sees more $$ signs from other prospective non-Hawaiian students wanting to enroll at KSBE. Now he and Goemans have the reputation of being "experts" at suing KSBE for their Hawaiians-first admission policies.

You know, the kanaka maoli may be warm and trusting. But you cross them once too often, and the spirit of Kamehameha the Ali'i Nui will rise up and prevail.

Miulang

[waioli kai]

Indeed, quite the disgusting display of hooey from the attorney representing the student in the KS lawsuit: Eric Grant, the Sacramento, Calif. extortion conspirator with co-counsel Goeman, the Hawaii resident predatory creep in the world of corporate lawyers, spewing well worn nonsense, malicious mischief they cloak with such phrases as "innocent child".

Red ribbons will be available at the state canoe races in Maui this Saturday to be worn by those who support the self-governing evolution of Kamehameha Schools.

[Moto]

After rereading the article discussing the court case which started this whole thread, I believe the courts decision was based on KSBE's Hawaiian's only policy. The legacy of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop was to only give preference to Hawaiians. Therefore, KSBE should change their policy stating that they will give preference to Hawaiians, and should circumstances allow it, with the avaiable resources at that time, non-Hawaiians will be considered. This policy follows the intent of Princess Bernice Puahi Bishop, and may hold up stronger in court. Will non-Hawaiians ever be admitted to Kamehameha School under this policy? I believe this would only happen when all interested Hawaiians have been taken care of and resources allow for the admission of non-Hawaiians.

In other words could this decision have been made based on the KSBE's policy of only admitting Hawaiians, and that is not in line with the legacy of Princess Bernice Puahi Bishop? By changing their policy to align with the wording of the Trust, I would find it improbable that the courts would step in. That would open up a whole new can of worms, making every single trust ever made up, for they are all discriminatory for they only take care of a targeted group.

[Miulang]

After rereading the article discussing the court case which started this whole thread, I believe the courts decision was based on KSBE's Hawaiian's only policy. The legacy of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop was to only give preference to Hawaiians. Therefore, KSBE should change their policy stating that they will give preference to Hawaiians, and should circumstances allow it, with the avaiable resources at that time, non-Hawaiians will be considered. This policy follows the intent of Princess Bernice Puahi Bishop, and may hold up stronger in court. Will non-Hawaiians ever be admitted to Kamehameha School under this policy? I believe this would only happen when all interested Hawaiians have been taken care of and resources allow for the admission of non-Hawaiians.

In other words could this decision have been made based on the KSBE's policy of only admitting Hawaiians, and that is not in line with the legacy of Princess Bernice Puahi Bishop? By changing their policy to align with the wording of the Trust, I would find it improbable that the courts would step in. That would open up a whole new can of worms, making every single trust ever made up, for they are all discriminatory for they only take care of a targeted group.
I think the admission policies on the Maui campus say Hawaiian-first, not Hawaiian only, which is a semantically different policy than Kapalama. Maybe it's because the Maui campus got burned by the same kind of lawsuit in 2003 that is being fought today. I find it hard to believe that KSBE can't find enough kanaka maoli kids who meet their academic and moral standards to fill all the slots available on their campuses, though.

Miulang

[oggboy]

TITA , That is what the proplem is. You let one in, you gottat let all in.....

The bad thing about this situation is that Kamehameha School need to realize get plenty more Hawaiian kid`s out here that do qualify to be students, but its a whatever the game that hurts all.......

My thing is, The Will of Our Queen was stated to educated the Hawaiian children. I would think she`s saying ALL Hawaii`s keiki`s regardless.....Rich, Poor, where you live, how much you make.....

The Will of Our Princess was made to provide for our Hawaiian children.....

MALAMA PONO................ MAUIBOY

[lurkah]

I'd like to share the following message that I received through a friend whose name shall remain anonymous. The message will speak for itself and provide insight into what went on and how the mood was up at the Kamehameha Schools campus the morning the Federal Appeals Court decision was announced:
"It was a very sad day yesterday up on the Kapälama Heights campus.

News of the 9th Circuit Court's ruling against the Hawaiian preference policy of Kamehameha Schools spread quickly in the early morning. The entire campus was somber. The Performing Arts students organized a slow march from the top of the campus to the Bernice Pauahi Bishop Memorial Chapel, chanting and singing in the name of Kamehameha the entire way. He inoa no Kamehameha.

Many were dressed kahiko, old style, Hawaiian, with shirtless men wearing malo and women in fabric hula skirts. Perhaps a dozen of them carried stalks of ki (ti leaves) in a line on either side of the marchers, somewhat like kahili would be carried in a royal procession. Many of the marchers wore their bright red "Ku I Ka Pono" t-shirts from earlier Hawaiian rights marches. Tears streamed down the faces of many of the marchers as they reached the chapel. Just outside the entrance, they stopped again and presented a mournful Kamehameha name chant.

They were greeted at the entrance by a large crowd of somber-faced Kamehameha Schools faculty and staff, and by Kahu, who welcomed them in. Hundreds of students filed in and and filled the seats and walkways of the chapel, joining the many staffers already there. Prayers were offered in English and Hawaiian. Large pahu (drums) sounded from the back of the chapel and students performed hula kahiko in the aisles. They will possibly never perform the hula more seriously or with more purpose during their lives. They were joined impromptu by the new Kapälama Campus high school principal Julian K. Ako, himself a noted Kumu Hula and Hawaiian scholar.

Ako then addressed the crowd, saying that we may have to allow admission for the Fall 2005 school year to the student Doe whose lawsuit prompted the court ruling. Ako said that he did not know which campus would be assigned the student, but that Doe would enter the school as a senior in the graduating class of 2006.

Then Kumu Ako stressed to the crowd that no matter our personal feelings, that this student would be welcomed warmly, with aloha, into the Kamehameha Schools 'ohana. He reminded all that the best we could do would be to uphold our highest spirit, standards and qualities of conduct exemplified by the students of Kamehameha Schools. The crowd stood and sang Doxology in Hawaiian.

"Ho'onani ka Makua Mau. Ke keiki nei ka 'uhane no. Ke Akua Mau ho'o maika'i ku. Ko keia au, ko kela au. Amene."

To end the service all remained standing and sang the Kamehameha Alma Mater.

Be strong and ally-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
And nobly stand together hand in hand
Be true and rely-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
And bravely serve your own your fatherland
Ring, ring, Kalihi ring
Swell the echo of our song
Ray ray ray ray ray rah, ray ray Kamehameha
Let hills and valleys loud our song prolong
Be firm and deny-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
Allurements that your race will overwhelm
Be true and defy-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
On God the prop and pillar of your realm
Ring, ring, Kalihi ring
Swell the echo of our song
Ray ray ray ray ray rah, ray ray Kamehameha
Let hills and valleys loud our song prolong

There were no dry eyes in the chapel. Everyone just stood where they were, unsure of what to do. No one moved to leave until Kahu returned to the podium and urged gently, "OK, you may leave. We're pau."

A judge basically ruled that the last will and testament of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop, royalty of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, crafted in 1883 under Kingdom law, was invalid under United States law. This is the same U.S. which in 1893 sent an armed Marine contingent into the streets of Honolulu and which marched to 'I'olani Palace. Inside the palace, the leaders of large commercial interests in Hawai'i, sugar planters, citizens of the United States, were overthrowing the monarchy and installing themselves as rulers. This was the first U.S. invasion of Hawai'i.

Here we are, 112 years later, and one cannot help but feel that they have done it again. We are planning a march this Saturday, August 6, at 8:00 a.m. from 'I'olani Palace to Mauna Ala, the Royal Mausoleum on Nu'uanu Avenue.

You are welcome to join us if you wish. Wear red."

[waioli kai]

I don't know why Campbell Estate would want to get involved in something as political as the KSBE issue


Well it's not likely that the 25 or so current heirs to Campbell Estate are the motivation behind such, but its not so impossible that's it not worth pondering; however, it is more likely a phenomenon evolved from within the management and sycophancy of Campbell Estate, very much like such phenomena of corporatUSt afflictions has for the past half dozen or so generations befallen the populations of these islands. Corporatism, US american$' --being a ruling faction within the U. S. -- formulae of hegemonic rapture cannot coexist with there being held any thriving sense of Community by peoples over whose lives and resources hegemons reign. The two ideologies are mutually exclusive, the absence of one defines the other.

[lurkah]

"You are welcome to join us if you wish. Wear red."
Did anyone here actually join them, or was 8:00 a.m. too early? :rolleyes:

[waioli kai]

i like the KU I KA PONO black-on-red shirts worn by supporters, worn by both supporters whose biology reflects indigenous Hawaiian lineage and worn by supporters whose biology is absent such lineage. i like the suggestion that, in public gatherings of KU I KA PONO supporters, red-on-black shirts be worn only by KU I KA PONO supporters whose blood is comprised of these islands native lineage.

KU I KA PONO supporters who like to wear the red on black shirt but whose blood is not comprised of these islands' native lineage might merely show their respect by wearing only the black on red shirts in public gatherings intended to be demonstrative of citizen support for KU I KA PONO.

[Miulang]

The Advertiser (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/06/br/br04p.html) reported that the police estimated 10-12,000 people participated in the Honolulu demonstration this morning. Since it was a police estimate, my guess is that there were many more who went to add their voices to the kanaka maoli and the KSBE students.

The demonstrations on the neighbor islands are scheduled for later this afternoon. More reports on those later.

Imua!

Miulang

P.S. many expats are wearing red too, to show solidarity with the kanaka maoli.

[lurkah]

i like the suggestion that, in public gatherings of KU I KA PONO supporters, red-on-black shirts be worn only by KU I KA PONO supporters whose blood is comprised of these islands native lineage.

KU I KA PONO supporters who like to wear the red on black shirt but whose blood is not comprised of these islands' native lineage might merely show their respect by wearing only the black on red shirts in public gatherings intended to be demonstrative of citizen support for KU I KA PONO.
Well, that also might be misconstrued as saying, "Eh braddahs and titas, go come my house eat aftah da rally pau, k? But eh, if you like use da lua, can you please use da one with da black/red door marked Koko 'ole (lacking Hawaiian blood) instead of da one with da red/black Kanaka Maoli (indigenous Hawaiian) door? But we really love you guys too!"

I think that the impact you get from facing a sea of bodies unified as one, solid color contains more psychological intimidation than a sea of kalakoa colors.

"United we stand, divided we fall" -- this should be the rallying cry for all of today's Hawaiians should they hope to ever get ahead any farther than they haven't been able to do all these years.

[Miulang]

The report from today's Maui News (http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=11232) about the sentiments being expressed in Hana and on Lanai.

Onipaa!

Miulang

[Miulang]

I'm sure this letter to the editor (http://www.mauinews.com/story.aspx?id=11246) in the Maui News accurately sums up the feeling of many of the local non-kanaka maoli and why it's so important for people to join with the kanaka maoli to work to make things pono for them.
The writer of the letter is of Portuguese descent...so it just goes to show...it's NOT just the kanaka maoli who are taking up this cause; it's anyone who believes in justice.

That's not to say that ALL newcomers are creating the problem, and where the problems are created, I think it's because the malihini don't understand about the rich heritage of the 'aina. They think Hawai'i is "just another State". Well, for starters, what other state has a language other than English as one of its official languages? None. And if you count pidgin, Hawai'i has TWO languages that are different from the other States in the Union.

Miulang

[waioli kai]

Craig, thanks for explaining some aspects of and some likely consequences of the passage of, the Akaka bill.

"... when Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop meant the orphaned children she basically meant children of Hawaiian descent orphaned by the loss of their indigenous nation, the nation of (the Kingdom of) Hawaii. " - -cwatanabe
When the allegation of unjustifiable racial discrimination is leveled at Kamehameha Schools admission policies, it should be remembered that it was the result of U.S. Congressional pressures upon Hawaiian leadership that originally pushed for more exclusionary (that is, a higher percent) blood quantum designations to determine who would deemed to be of Hawaiian lineage. The Hawaiian prince who was queried by U.S. Congressional reps about what fraction of a person's Hawaiian blood should qualify one to be "Hawaiian", said that 1/32 was okay; but, it was U.S. Congressional pressure which forced the 50% blood quantum qualification then imposed as the standard which would determine whether individuals were Hawaiian or not.

[pzarquon]

I had a presentation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/31787547/) to give at Bishop Museum today, but I had to take a long detour into town to see what was going on at Iolani Palace. I circled it a couple of times, and even early, it was a sight to behold. I already have my 'red on black' Kau Inoa shirt, so I didn't jump out to buy one of the 'black on red' shirts thousands of people were wearing...

I hope there were some aerial shots of the grounds and the march. It must've been something!

[lurkah]

I had a presentation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/31787547/) to give at Bishop Museum today, but I had to take a long detour into town to see what was going on at Iolani Palace. I circled it a couple of times, and even early, it was a sight to behold. I already have my 'red on black' Kau Inoa shirt, so I didn't jump out to buy one of the 'black on red' shirts thousands of people were wearing...

I hope there were some aerial shots of the grounds and the march. It must've been something!
If the masses of people were anything like what I witnessed while standing in line at the funeral for Braddah IZ at the state capitol rotunda back in '97, it must have been an awesome sight!

[Miulang]

For a little historical perspective on what happened in the 2002 case (http://www.moolelo.com/ks-retooling.html) on Maui, read the link here. In the story, it reiterated again that KSBE had modified its admissions policy to Hawaiian-first, NOT Hawaiian-only.

Dr. Hamilton McCubbin, KSBE CEO, was interviewed by a Maui radio station:

"...McCubbin said procedural changes would be made to reaffirm Kamehameha's standing policy to give preference for school admission to Hawaiian and part-Hawaiian children.

The school plans to remove potential barriers in the admissions process. Such barriers could range from the $25 application fee, which may be waived, to even bigger obstacles, such as the cutoff standard during the evaluation of student candidates.

"Ground rules are going to be different," McCubbin said. The trustees are committed to serving more Native Hawaiians, he said.

While the school will continue to look for the "best and brightest" students, it will also emphasize in its student candidate evaluation the overall potential of each child....

"...In the case of the Maui campus, McCubbin explained there were only 54 applicants for 45 slots. Kamehameha estimates there were 450 possible applicants for the 8th grade alone on Maui.

Teachers reviewed each student's grades, essays and references, and conducted a one-on-one interview.

Nineteen Hawaiians on Maui qualified for the 20 male spots in the 8th grade. Based on the point system guiding teachers at the time, the non-Hawaiian [Kalani] Rosell was the next qualified applicant for the 20th male slot. He was accepted..."

Sounds to me that on Maui, a non-Hawaiian student (even though he had a Hawaiian first name and his mom was hanai'd to a kanaka maoli family) was admitted because he did well in his application for enrollment and the space was available to accommodate him. There was nothing prejudicial about his entry into KSBE-Maui campus at all. Kalani Rosell will be graduating from KSBE-Maui next May. He apparently has been accepted by his classmates and is doing very well in school.

Miulang

[lurkah]

"Blowing conch shells and chanting Hawaiian prayers, some 15,000 (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=3685) people marched through downtown Honolulu this morning to protest a federal court ruling striking down Kamehameha Schools’ Hawaiians-only admissions policy as unlawful."

"Introducing herself as a "haole" and "a non-Hawaiian," Gov. Linda Lingle said the court’s decision was 'not just.'"

"Today's march, which brought together toddlers, children, parents, and grandparents all wearing red shirts, culminated at the Royal Mausoleum, a cemetery where Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop, the founder of the school, is buried."

[mel]

I shot some photos this morning....

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http://img3.buzznet.com/assets/users8/macpro/default/gallery-msg-1123384483-2.jpg

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There are more photos at my BuzzNet (http://macpro.buzznet.com/user/?id=1516867) site and here. (http://tinyurl.com/bsfo4)

I'm the world's worst estimater of crowd attendance. Needless to say the entire front lawn area of Iolani Palace was packed and many others were on the streets, some cruising by in their vehicles. I would say around 10,000 or slightly less people showed up for the rally and the march.

[kimo55]

"Introducing herself as a "haole" and "a non-Hawaiian," Gov. Linda Lingle ....


just in case anyone had any doubt....

[Miulang]

I shot some photos this morning....

http://img3.buzznet.com/assets/users8/macpro/default/gallery-msg-1123384486-2.jpg

http://img3.buzznet.com/assets/users8/macpro/default/gallery-msg-1123384483-2.jpg

http://img3.buzznet.com/assets/users8/macpro/default/gallery-msg-1123383715-2.jpg

There are more photos at my BuzzNet (http://macpro.buzznet.com/user/?id=1516867) site and here. (http://tinyurl.com/bsfo4)

I'm the world's worst estimater of crowd attendance. Needless to say the entire front lawn area of Iolani Palace was packed and many others were on the streets, some cruising by in their vehicles. I would say around 10,000 or slightly less people showed up for the rally and the march.
Great photo coverage, Mel. Mahalos!

Miulang

[kimo55]

lotta work. mahalos for sharing, Mel!

[lurkah]

I'd like to share the following message that I received through a friend whose name shall remain anonymous. The message will speak for itself and provide insight into what went on and how the mood was up at the Kamehameha Schools campus the morning the Federal Appeals Court decision was announced:
"It was a very sad day yesterday up on the Kapälama Heights campus.

News of the 9th Circuit Court's ruling against the Hawaiian preference policy of Kamehameha Schools spread quickly in the early morning. The entire campus was somber. The Performing Arts students organized a slow march from the top of the campus to the Bernice Pauahi Bishop Memorial Chapel, chanting and singing in the name of Kamehameha the entire way. He inoa no Kamehameha.

Many were dressed kahiko, old style, Hawaiian, with shirtless men wearing malo and women in fabric hula skirts. Perhaps a dozen of them carried stalks of ki (ti leaves) in a line on either side of the marchers, somewhat like kahili would be carried in a royal procession. Many of the marchers wore their bright red "Ku I Ka Pono" t-shirts from earlier Hawaiian rights marches. Tears streamed down the faces of many of the marchers as they reached the chapel. Just outside the entrance, they stopped again and presented a mournful Kamehameha name chant.

They were greeted at the entrance by a large crowd of somber-faced Kamehameha Schools faculty and staff, and by Kahu, who welcomed them in. Hundreds of students filed in and and filled the seats and walkways of the chapel, joining the many staffers already there. Prayers were offered in English and Hawaiian. Large pahu (drums) sounded from the back of the chapel and students performed hula kahiko in the aisles. They will possibly never perform the hula more seriously or with more purpose during their lives. They were joined impromptu by the new Kapälama Campus high school principal Julian K. Ako, himself a noted Kumu Hula and Hawaiian scholar.

Ako then addressed the crowd, saying that we may have to allow admission for the Fall 2005 school year to the student Doe whose lawsuit prompted the court ruling. Ako said that he did not know which campus would be assigned the student, but that Doe would enter the school as a senior in the graduating class of 2006.

Then Kumu Ako stressed to the crowd that no matter our personal feelings, that this student would be welcomed warmly, with aloha, into the Kamehameha Schools 'ohana. He reminded all that the best we could do would be to uphold our highest spirit, standards and qualities of conduct exemplified by the students of Kamehameha Schools. The crowd stood and sang Doxology in Hawaiian.

"Ho'onani ka Makua Mau. Ke keiki nei ka 'uhane no. Ke Akua Mau ho'o maika'i ku. Ko keia au, ko kela au. Amene."

To end the service all remained standing and sang the Kamehameha Alma Mater.

Be strong and ally-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
And nobly stand together hand in hand
Be true and rely-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
And bravely serve your own your fatherland
Ring, ring, Kalihi ring
Swell the echo of our song
Ray ray ray ray ray rah, ray ray Kamehameha
Let hills and valleys loud our song prolong
Be firm and deny-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
Allurements that your race will overwhelm
Be true and defy-ye oh sons of Hawai'i
On God the prop and pillar of your realm
Ring, ring, Kalihi ring
Swell the echo of our song
Ray ray ray ray ray rah, ray ray Kamehameha
Let hills and valleys loud our song prolong

There were no dry eyes in the chapel. Everyone just stood where they were, unsure of what to do. No one moved to leave until Kahu returned to the podium and urged gently, "OK, you may leave. We're pau."

A judge basically ruled that the last will and testament of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop, royalty of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, crafted in 1883 under Kingdom law, was invalid under United States law. This is the same U.S. which in 1893 sent an armed Marine contingent into the streets of Honolulu and which marched to 'I'olani Palace. Inside the palace, the leaders of large commercial interests in Hawai'i, sugar planters, citizens of the United States, were overthrowing the monarchy and installing themselves as rulers. This was the first U.S. invasion of Hawai'i.

Here we are, 112 years later, and one cannot help but feel that they have done it again. We are planning a march this Saturday, August 6, at 8:00 a.m. from 'I'olani Palace to Mauna Ala, the Royal Mausoleum on Nu'uanu Avenue.

You are welcome to join us if you wish. Wear red."

Mahalos fo sharing, lurkah. It was a very moving message.

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[Miulang]

Mahalos fo sharing, lurkah. It was a very moving message.

http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/smileys/smileylaughevil.gif
<sigh> OK, OK, OK! No get all habuts, Lurkah. Sheesh. Mahalos foa sharing dat inspirational message! :p

Miulang

[lurkah]

<sigh> OK, OK, OK! No get all habuts, Lurkah. Sheesh. Mahalos foa sharing dat inspirational message! :p
Nah tita, I not habuts. :D I getting good fun watching how dis message board works...da small kine idiosyncrasies la dat...no watta mean? I jahs trying fo loosen up some wedgies lilibit. Life is too shawt to be habuts! ;)

[Miulang]

Nah tita, I