Banning Alcohol at UH Games

[kimo55]

News Flash!
Duke Aiona sheeshees on our parade!

http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/04/news/index5.html


So; this cluck is supposing he goin take away our raison d'etre?!
no mo da kine in da pahking lot before the game?!
How da hell he expects us to enjoy football anyway!?
sheeeyiiii....


quote:
"I'm not a prohibitionist. There might be financial concerns I don't know about."

No, you are dead wrong, Chucko. You ARE a "prohibitionist"
You think you goin prohibit our livelyhood?!
and yes, there ARE many "concerns" you don't know about .

[dick]

Yeah, I was distraught when I read that. Not that I can drink before or during the games anyway... I thought it was some kind of right to get all liquored up at games. Plus, if there aren't vitriolic fans how am I supposed to get stuff like this:

http://starbulletin.com/2002/11/24/sports/story3.html

[kimo55]

they will pay. watch too many stay away in droves, from da games.

[Miulang]

they will pay. watch too many stay away in droves, from da games.
If dey televise most of da games, though, you can get drunk on your okole and cause all kine pilikia in da privacy of your own hale! Where going hurt is if dey no televise da games.

I know. I know. Not going be da same gestalt. How can have tailgate party if no moa da beer, yeah?

Miulang

[kimo55]

>If dey televise most of da games, though, you can get drunk on your okole and cause all kine pilikia in da privacy of your own hale!

yea. we will jez all pile into one living room.

>I know. I know. Not going be da same gestalt.

gezHOOnnntight!

>How can have tailgate party if no moa da beer, yeah?

yea. tailgate will be no mo li dat. if dukeeeeboy pulls off this pointless egodriven ridiculous publicity stunt.
damned polititians.
they never heard of; "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
or;
"don't let da few spoil it for the many".

[helen]

If dey televise most of da games, though, you can get drunk on your okole and cause all kine pilikia in da privacy of your own hale! Where going hurt is if dey no televise da games.
Weren't they planning on having the football games on pay-per-view?

[kimo55]

Weren't they planning on having the football games on pay-per-view?

they better. cuz dey goin lose big time if this dumb thing goes thru.

[Stephen]

Kimo,
I saw this article too - ridiculous. i have attended two major schools - one with beer in the stands and one without. I'm okay with no beer in the stands, but to outlaw it in the parking lot/tailgating arena, is ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS - EEEEEEEEEEEEEE - 9.
Stepheen

[kimo55]

Word, steeve!


and jezz think of the local economy impact it goin have:
lotta cops not goin work on these days. big bux vendors pay for the priviledge selling seven dollah brews.
ice sales.
beer sales.
bar bee que kaukau stuffs sales.
onsite cheap snak sales.
overpriced warriors souvenirs not goin sell anywhere as before, now da da place half populated by completely sober mormons whipsering their impotent cheers; "yessss. go team, go..." in hushed tones. imagine the lack of enthusiasm at da games. Players goin quit in droves too.

[Linkmeister]

How come nobody else has wondered about the man's real agenda, in light of this story (http://starbulletin.com/2005/06/27/news/story3.html) from back in June?Aiona does not back away from his strong religious convictions, and said he knows how to keep church and state separate.

Does he?

[kimo55]

ho da spooky. an evil mind passion/hellbent to change the landscape to his warped cult vision of how his society should control with their religious ferver, the masses.
visionms of the SS, third reich.
soon, this will be another revolt.
Keep religion and govermnent away from private lives!

[MadAzza]

News Flash!
Duke Aiona sheeshees on our parade!

http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/04/news/index5.html


So; this cluck is supposing he goin take away our raison d'etre?!
no mo da kine in da pahking lot before the game?!
How da hell he expects us to enjoy football anyway!?
sheeeyiiii....

Why doesn't he just ban testosterone in the stands at games? I never see drunk women pulling that stupid behavior, only men. I could drink all afternoon and it would never occur to me to riot, punch someone or turn over a car. (Yeah, cuz I'd be asleep, but still ...) The "worst" thing a drunk woman will do at a game is flash the TV cameras. So why punish thousands of women for the actions of a few guys?

Now, of course, most men don't behave badly at games, either, and I am being facetious, so put down that flame-thrower!

[kimo55]

they should in stead, ban quiet sedate wimmens at da games and allow flashers and girls gone wild at da games. Bruddahs steh too buzy their eyes bugged out, to t'row blows!

[lavagal]

Yeah, I was distraught when I read that. Not that I can drink before or during the games anyway... I thought it was some kind of right to get all liquored up at games. Plus, if there aren't vitriolic fans how am I supposed to get stuff like this:

http://starbulletin.com/2002/11/24/sports/story3.html


you got that right! This is the stuff people wanna see in the paper!

[kimo55]

you got that right! This is the stuff people wanna see in the paper!
phohk that noize, jack. I wanna see this in person.

[lurkah]

"Alcohol-related misbehavior (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050805/SPORTS/508050367/1032) at the stadium is the driving force behind the fast-tracked proposal."

"Aiona, who has been a UH season-ticket holder for about 20 years, said fan misconduct has escalated to a point where, 'It is just not fun anymore. In fact, my children don't even go to the games anymore.'"

"Chris Masuda, 34, of Honolulu, however, said drinking and football games '(go) hand in hand. I would be bummed if they banned beer. But I would still go. It's not the end of the world.'"

"The proposal still needs approval from the nine-member Aloha Stadium Authority when it meets Aug. 25."

[Miulang]

ho da spooky. an evil mind passion/hellbent to change the landscape to his warped cult vision of how his society should control with their religious ferver, the masses.
visionms of the SS, third reich.
soon, this will be another revolt.
Keep religion and govermnent away from private lives!
Well isn't Dukey boy just a reflection of the current sorry state of affairs going on in government nationally? I'm sure he wouldn't have the 'alas to propose something like this if people of his religious ilk weren't in power.

Miulang

[kimo55]

"Aiona, who has been a UH season-ticket holder for about 20 years, said fan misconduct has escalated to a point where, 'It is just not fun anymore. In fact, my children don't even go to the games anymore.'"

No, it IS fun anymore.
and who said we want HIS kids there?!

[lurkah]

No, it IS fun anymore.
and who said we (http://www.calgoldrush.com/part2/gallery/brawl400.jpg) want HIS kids there?!
Dass right brah. :p After all, we can't be letting da keeds have all da fun! For crying out loud, it's a game, right? It's not supposed to be for young keeds! :rolleyes:

[pzarquon]

How come nobody else has wondered about the man's real agenda, in light of this story (http://starbulletin.com/2005/06/27/news/story3.html) from back in June?I asked this very question when the anti-beer crusade resurfaced last week in my podcast. Most of the response, including from my wife, has been that it's unrelated, particularly because Catholics don't have a particular beef with alcohol.

I think it's still relevant because (1.) Aiona is clearly in a very specific, and certainly evangelical category of Christian (not strictly Catholic), and (2.) for all his protestations to the contrary, he does seem to have a problem keeping public policy and personal faith separated.

An affirmation of personal faith, or participating in a religious event, is one thing. But how can you not construe these objectives (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/May/18/op/op05p.html) as crossing into scary territory?



"I would like God to bless the people of Hawai'i and see God's love transform our state."
"Our schools will become God's schools; our community will become God's community; our city will become God's city; our Islands will become God's Islands; our state will become God's state; and our Hawai'i will become God's Hawai'i."
What's especially entertaining is how the group Transformation Hawaii (http://www.transformationhawaii.org/) is adamant that they're inclusive of all churches, not just one brand of Christianity. Heck, all religious groups think they're diverse and open. But just ask any church that's not in the group's clique, and they'd probably affirm that they're "not part of that movement."

Still, how this relates to the anti-alcohol thing is purely conjecture, because as far as I've seen, Transformation Hawaii doesn't exactly have a policy paper that says, "Beer=Hell."

[Glen Miyashiro]

Maybe it's an outgrowth of Aiona's anti-drugs efforts. It's not such a big leap to go from drugs=evil to alcohol=evil. Or maybe he's been hanging out with Mufi and that ol' Mormon no-booze-no-coffee-no-nothing attitude is rubbing off.

[kimo55]

For crying out loud, it's a game, right?



it's a game.


of a couple gangs. in their colors. meeting on neutral turf. to beat up each other. pound hell outa each odda till they submit. gang up on and piledrive. I can't see myself sitting there with tight legs crossed sipping tea. Noooo thanks.

[lurkah]

I can't see myself sitting there with tight legs crossed sipping tea. Noooo thanks.
You already gotta do dat at home with KimosWahine, right? :p I can relate to dat, brah. :rolleyes:

[lurkah]

I just voted in da Hon. Advertiser's unofficial poll, which then allowed me to view da current standings as of dat moment, which if they hold true to da bitter end, would allow all da beer-guzzling "bleacher gladiators" to prevail.


http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/tempgraphics/uhfootballalchpoll.gif

I just heard one "yee-haw!" out deya. Was dat from
somebody who's been busy stacking da votes maybe? :p

[kimo55]

You already gotta do dat at home with KimosWahine, right? I can relate to dat, brah.

wot. Kimoswahine oah deah too!?


akshully, right now, da wahine steh lookin all mahke-die-dead on da floor, empty primo bottles surrounding her....
here's a little song about dat and it goes sumpin like dis;
http://tinyurl.com/e4jsh

[lurkah]

http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/smileys/smileykillingme.gif

[pzarquon]

I just voted in da Hon. Advertiser's unofficial poll, which then allowed me to view da current standings as of dat moment, which if they hold true to da bitter end, would allow all da beer-guzzling "bleacher gladiators" to prevail.Wow. I have mixed feelings on the possible ban (and I don't even drink!), but I'm surprised it's a relatively even poll (for what little online polls are worth). Shows how much times have changed. Suggest banning alcohol at football games a decade or two decades ago, and you'd be run out of town. Now, from what I'm learning, several college sports leagues have alcohol bans as part of an overall policy. Interesting!

[lurkah]

(for what little online polls are worth)
Yes, especially if one might be akamai enough to know how to disable their cookies (http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/c/cookie.html), which would theoretically allow them to continually stack the votes in their favor until the poll was shut down. But, I'm sure nobody here would do that. Would they? :rolleyes:

[alohabear]

Why is it that when a handful of idiots get out of hand, authority-figures want to end everybody's fun ? What I'm talking about is Duke Aiona's plan to ban alcohol at UH homegames? Now I don't live on O'ahu ...but I support ones right to celebrate team pride as long as your of legal age and can control ones self. In the recent Advertiser poll it was pretty close: 669 for-720 against. If Duke gets his way tailgating with a beer will be a thing that the kupuna will talk about.

What's will happen when the NFL wants to serve alcohol at the Pro-Bowl? Where does this punishing the masses end? I would ban the troublemakers for life and leave the others out for fun and relaxing alone. :cool:

[kimo55]

Why is it that when a handful of idiots get out of hand, authority-figures want to end everybody's fun ?


that is their job. as misplaced as the expenditure of energy is, they have an easy target and they go after it. That way, their mug stays in da news and they can write a poorly designed overly costly book later and say "looka all da junk i wen do fo you guys! aren chew grateful?!"

[Glen Miyashiro]

Lee Cataluna (she's back!) comments (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050809/COLUMNISTS02/508090322/1120/NEWS) that Aiona seems to have scaled down his ambitions considerably, if this is the best anti-drugs initiative he can tackle.

[kimo55]

I tried to read it but she lost me at:
"Build it over — clean, strong, new.
So we sign on, sign up, buy into the battle cry.
BUT ...
Well, OK."


after a minute i couldn't tell what da hell she talking about.
so i turn da page.

so i re-read it after you say she talking about Aiona's little Quixotic caper.
She makes a good point. But sheeyyyiii.. what a circuitous way of doing it!

[Miulang]

If you just read da last paragraph and sentence, I tink you get her point (no need read all da filla in between, oddawise you going get lost) :p : Why is Duke Aiona so fixated on "fixing" decorum Aloha Stadium, when there are so many more serious and pressing issues for the City? Cut da poor wahine some slack! She just had a very dangerous pregnancy and childbirth. I hope her child is doing OK now.

Miulang

[kimo55]

Cut da poor wahine some slack! She just had a very dangerous pregnancy and childbirth. I hope her child is doing OK now.

Miulang


Oooop
yea. sorry, eh?!


glad she's back too.

[pzarquon]

Cut da poor wahine some slack! She just had a very dangerous pregnancy and childbirth. I hope her child is doing OK now.She lost the baby (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5325), Miulang.

It's true there are "bigger fish to fry," but frankly, the Lt. Governor's office has always been the dumping ground of feel-good but ultimately pointless initiatives. It's interesting that Cataluna is saying, "He's lowering his standards" from drugs to alcohol, where I still see his latest efforts as stepping things up a notch. I guess I never saw his "ice" projects as particularly significant.

[Miulang]

She lost the baby (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=5325), Miulang.
.
Aw, I neva wen hear about dat part befoa. Mahalos for da correction.

Miulang

[lurkah]

Just took da Hon. SB poll...

http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/tempgraphics/uhfootballalchpollsb.gif


Quite da contrast from da Hon. Ad's... :confused:

http://allthingshawaiian.com/lurkah/tempgraphics/uhfootballalchpoll.gif

[craigwatanabe]

At any family event there should be a ban on alcohol. Note the period after that sentence?

I was at a baseball game at the Les Murakami stadium a few years back sitting in some very choice seats (three rows up behind home plate) enjoying a home game with three of my boys. By the 6th inning two men who had been drinking since the first pitch had gotten to the point where foul language and chair kicking (ours) were getting a bit annoying.

By the end of the 7th inning I was ready to turn around and beat the living crap out of them for their vulgar, profane and chair kicking actions but my kid's presence kept me from losing my cool.

Towards the end of the game one of the guys belched something nasty and I heard one of my kids scream! It seems one of my boys was wearing everything one of those guys had consumed during the whole game...all over the back of his head and neck with puke dripping down his shirt.

I was so furious but before I could do anything they took off leaving a trail of vomit up along the way.

On another occasion I was attending a Pro Bowl game at Halawa stadium. I kept circling the lot trying to find a parking space. Many tailgaters had taken up more than their alloted one space to have room for their spreads. Many of us missed pretty much the first quarter of action as we finally got spaces after security guards told those tailgaters to allow the rest of us to park. I unfortunately had to park next to a pretty rowdy bunch and they weren't happy at all about having their party squeezed out.

After the game (you guessed it) my car was keyed and the door panel was dinged repeatedly. Fortunately I took the license plate of the adjacent car before I left for the game and promptly called my friend at HPD. I managed to find out where that asshole lived and the next morning that bonehead found his car with a brick thru his rear window and his radio antenna twisted like a pretzel.

Yeah alcohol has no place at these kinds of sporting events. If you gotta drink to enjoy a game there's something wrong with that. I want to know what's going on when the play is in action. Being a total drunken jerk to everyone isn't what I call being a good sport.

Remember there are children present and when I used to go to any stadium event, there's always more than just a handful of drunken spectators. Heck one guy who wasn't rowdy at all was sipping his beer at a game once and even he was blurting out phrases like, "that F*ckka wen miss em again? Hoa dat f*ckka goin lose da game for us". Then he saw my kids sitting right next to him and apologized. Too late my kids already had to sit thru his profanity.

Sporting events are for everyone to enjoy but when some drunken asshole starts affecting my kids then it becomes my problem and I applaud anyone who is willing to stand up and say: Enough is enough...stop the alcohol so the rest of us can enjoy the game too! There is no place in this world for a drunk except in a detox center.

[kimo55]

ho, Craig you one beeg bumboocha moke you, eh!? i goin steh on yer good side from now on.



dass pretty damned disgusting re; da upchuck....
ho man...

[lurkah]

ho, Craig you one beeg bumboocha moke you, eh!? i goin steh on yer good side from now on.
So what kimo...how much wen cost fo fix da glass on your car's rear window? :p

[Moto]

Craig,
Those were unfortunate incidents that you experienced. However, those things could have happened (maybe with the exception of the puking) without alcohol, too. It's like saying since kids from 18 - 22 are involved in 70% of speeding accidents, let's ban driving for this age group. This may merely represent 5% of drivers between those ages, however, you'll punish everyone instead of getting to the root of the problem. Yes, I do drink alcohol. No I do not attend football games. I have gone to baseball games in the past, and usually did not drink at the games.

People are just inconsiderate (and hopefully it's just a minority) and spoiling it for everyone else. There are many that do drink responsibly and I do not believe they too should be punished.

Then again, after making these types of arguments, stupid actions make people want to react to say that they are doing something to solve the problem. Stupid actions like the kid at Yankee Stadium that jumped into the backstop net at yesterday's game.

[Miulang]

Craig,
Those were unfortunate incidents that you experienced. However, those things could have happened (maybe with the exception of the puking) without alcohol, too. It's like saying since kids from 18 - 22 are involved in 70% of speeding accidents, let's ban driving for this age group. This may merely represent 5% of drivers between those ages, however, you'll punish everyone instead of getting to the root of the problem. Yes, I do drink alcohol. No I do not attend football games. I have gone to baseball games in the past, and usually did not drink at the games.

People are just inconsiderate (and hopefully it's just a minority) and spoiling it for everyone else. There are many that do drink responsibly and I do not believe they too should be punished.

Then again, after making these types of arguments, stupid actions make people want to react to say that they are doing something to solve the problem. Stupid actions like the kid at Yankee Stadium that jumped into the backstop net at yesterday's game.

Don't they have crowd control people at these sporting events? Up here, if people are acting rowdy, they're usually watching what's going on. If you see something (like drunk people causing problems), wave those ushers over and have them deal with the problem. They can get those people kicked out of the stadium. If it gets really bad, they have cops in the area too (have started to have them around ever since 9/11).

Miulang

[kimo55]

So what kimo...how much wen cost fo fix da glass on your car's rear window? :p
wot!? You know we...

Oh, yea. You not heah.

We jezz leav um li dat. more air circulation.
easier fo grab da nex beer next tailgate.

[saigonwarrior]

That's why you pre funk in the parking lot. Its funner to drink before you watch the game than drink and watch. For those of you who do, you know what I mean

[Keith H.]

Being at a game is all about full-on emotions even without alcohol in the picture. I've tried to high-five a friend once at the end of a Wahine volleyball game, missed, and accidentally karanged him full force in the head...and my friend is a head taller than me and twice my weight. And that was in the heat of the moment, and I hasten to add, when I was stone cold sober. In fact, for the record, I don't drink. And not because of religious convictions, but because my dad had a drinking problem. I could care less if anyone else drinks socially around me, but I refuse to do so myself.

If someone like me could inflict damage when sober, imagine if I had had something to drink?

Duke Aiona's religious convictions aside, I don't blame him. It's getting downright dangerous out there. Too often people drink to excess. I would prefer not to feel like I'm going to get caught in the middle of a drunken brawl at Aloha Stadium. Or to get caught behind someone yelling at the Warriors in a drunken rage.

I say, do whatever it takes to get the violence under control.

[kimo55]

prohibition on high fives, NOT beer!

[Keith H.]

prohibition on high fives, NOT beer!
Nah, just heavily regulate the force of 'em. :)

[Miulang]

The right to get drunk and act rowdy and obnoxious at UH football games (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/25/br/br12p.html) has been preserved, at least for most of this season because of the procedural things that have to occur before the law can be implemented.

So Kimo et al: have fun while you still can. :cool:

Miulang

[Palolo Joe]

have fun while you still can.
We'll be having fun for quite a while. Even if they decide to get rid of alcohol (which I doubt they will actually do), it will be years until changes happen. The beer companies have contracts in place to sell at the stadium for another five years or so.

[Palolo Joe]

Oh, and by the way, not all students are for the proposed ban. More than half of those at UH-Manoa are over 21 years old.

Here's a story (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/25/news/story2.html) that appeared in the Star-Bulletin today.

[Keith H.]

Well, if a drunken brawl happens around me, I can defend myself...high five 'em! :)

[kimo55]

here's the keystome kops level of thinking that will be deciding on the beer ban;


"If making laws is like making sausage, you have to put the meat in the grinder first," McClain said."