Kamehameha Schools Admissions Policy - Chapter 2

[lurkah]

The 9th U.S. Circuit refuses to force the school (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/09/news/story1.html) to admit a non-Hawaiian student right away.

[Miulang]

The 9th U.S. Circuit refuses to force the school (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/09/news/story1.html) to admit a non-Hawaiian student right away.
The child will have to petition a judge in Hawai'i to issue an injunction to attend KSBE. In the meantime, KSBE I think will be filing an en banc petition (appeal) with the 9th Circuit to prevent the child from attending KSBE until all matters and appeals have been heard by a full panel of the 9th Circuit Court. The 9th Circuit Court could still deny the en banc petition and it might be a crapshoot depending on which judges are seated to hear the appeal.

Miulang

[admin]

Let's consider this thread round two (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6052). Please keep it on-topic, and keep personal attacks out of it.

[Miulang]

Anyone who visits HawaiiThreads and who's in the Bay Area, there will be a rally next Saturday in front of the 9th Circuit Court.

Miulang

"Dear August 20 'ohana,

I want to extend my aloha pumehana to all of you -- your support and
enthusiasm for the August 20 rally has been tremendous! We are now
expecting hundreds to "e holopono me ka lokahi" - move forward with
righteousness and unity!

This e-mail contains important information so please forward as far and wide
as the original flyer so that all who want to participate will know
where/how to find us on August 20. Mahalo!

(1) Venue change: to accommodate the larger crowd, the need for a sound
system, and parking issues, we have changed the starting and ending
locations. Please spread the word! We will START AT THE NINTH CIRCUIT
COURT BUILDING at 95-7th St. (cross street is Mission) in San Francisco.
The "Civic Center" station for BART and Muni will get you to Market and
7th -- walk one block south toward Mission. If you're driving, there should
be ample parking in the city lots on Mission and 5th St. We will march FROM
the Ninth Circuit and END AT U.N. PLAZA , corner of 8th and Market. This
venue can accommodate a much larger crowd, and because of its location in
the heart of San Francisco, we are more likely to garner attention.

(2) Gentle but important reminder: Along those lines, I want to
encourage us in advance to remember that we want to draw attention for a
pono march and rally. Please keep signage to slogans such as "Education for
Hawaiians," "Justice for Hawaiians," "Hawaiian Unity," and the like. We
will have flyers from the Kamehameha Schools with educational information
about the admissions policy to hand out to media and interested passersby.
Let's make sure the judiciary (many of whom likely live in the Bay Area)
have a completely positive impression of us when the full panel convenes to
reconsider Doe vs. Kamehameha.

(3) Speaking of John Doe...Yesterday while taking communion I felt Akua's
Spirit pressing on my heart with this strong message: "Pray for John Doe."
Indeed, in all of my prayers this past week over this gut-wrenching
situation, I have neglected to pray for John Doe and his family. I know
this might sound strange (even offensive to some) to ask us to pray along
these lines. However, I ask us to remember that Princess Pauahi was a
follower of Jesus, and He taught that we are to love, forgive and even BLESS
our enemies. Even in our hurt and anger over this injustice, let's pray as
He did on the cross (the Ultimate injustice), "Father, forgive them for they
don't know what they are doing." And may Akua show us where we, too, have
blind spots which endeavor to separate us from His perfect will for us and
for our people Ultimately, pray with me that Akua's maluhia and
ho'oponopono will reign in our hearts, in John Doe's supporters' hearts, and
in our beloved islands.

Mahalo for spreading the word, and for allowing me to speak openly on these
matters. I look forward to this gathering of our 'ohana! See you at the
Ninth Circuit Court building at noon on the 20th!

Me ke aloha pumehana,
Noelani (Loo) Jai, KSBE '83
alohajai@socal.rr.com
(714)847-2977
Event Coordinator "

[Peshkwe]

For signs you need picturers of KS students who are white, brown and black with the saying:

Kamehameha Schools

home of the

The Hawaiian Rainbow


Or something like that... so it's very very visual that it's not a school shutting out white skinned kids. That's the buzz words the lawyers are using so it has to be countered with something stonger than words alone...visuals.

[Miulang]

Hi Peshkwe! I was waiting for your input on this topic. I know you've been contributing to other forums...so what's your take on all this anyway?

Miulang

[Miulang]

The next step in the pas de deux (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/09/br/br01p.html) has been taken. The attorneys for the boy have filed an injunction request. Next KSBE will go back to the 9th Circuit and ask for an en banc hearing.

Miulang

[Peshkwe]

Hi Peshkwe! I was waiting for your input on this topic. I know you've been contributing to other forums...so what's your take on all this anyway?

Miulang

Ooo....

Hows 'bout I do that tomorrow? I's fried I was up till 4am making sure an FTP over that side o'da woild didn't fubar...and it's midnight now.

Less of course ya wanna go cruise the HA board and see what I posted.

But ruminate on this a bit...you have two dimetrically opposed laws enacted on a group of people.

One says if you is you gotta....one says if you is you cain't....The US Gov laws dealing with native peoples who they've overrun are schitzophrenic.

Both are based on one groups attempts to control another group based on a particular set of perceptions they want to use to prove their line of thinking....not necessarily accurate perceptions but ones that would be readily acceptible to the 'sheeple' aka the general fuzzy thinking grass munching herd following populace.....anywho...I'm trying to figure out a way to connect the two in such a way that it causes self implosion.

But hey...now that I've gone and gotten all weird and cryptic on ya I'm gonna go to bed and you can ignor me.

Heh...after all, I'm just a dyslexic artist with ADD that comes from a line a metis that always were a bit on the 'uppity' side.


;)

[Miulang]

This morning, one of the attorneys representing John Doe admitted that the injunction (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050810/NEWS23/508100334/1173/NEWS) appeal he filed yesterday was highly unusual and that it might not get the student into KSBE. In the meantime, KSBE is in the process of filing an en banc petition which, if accepted, could delay the student's admission until after his senior year. It's interesting to watch how this whole thing unfolds. I think in this case, KSBE now holds the stronger hand of cards.

However, I also think that unless KSBE can figure out how to make their admissions policies bulletproof, Goemans and Grant will pull some other non-Hawaiian student out of their hats to use as another test case next year.

Miulang

[Peshkwe]

Ok...long on with sucky spelling too!!

".......One of the lawyers, Eric Grant of Sacramento, Calif., said the case represents "extraordinary circumstances," and that "there's an emergency that requires immediate action."..........."


Eh????????

What? There's no school anywhere on the island where he lives that'll take him so he can start on time? It's not like he couldn't transfer over later in the school year...is JD that hated that he HAS to get into KS under the guise of race busting so he won't get his butt kicked in his other school.....so he can get that 'special protection' and looking out for that Brayden got the first year he got in?


Grant...Grant...Grant....c'mon man! That was the poorest move in this game of legal sematics and hair splitting yet!



That's what the legal team and the board of Kamehameha HAVE to realize. It's a high stakes game to these guys, nothing more, they could give a rats ass about the John Does they parade out or about KS, it's the stratagy of the game and the win they care about. Well that and the power over the land.

It always comes down to the land doesn't it.




My personal opinion is that KS is Phase Two of the game.

Phase One was getting the formal ruling for the Rice case. That proved that native Hawaiians didn't have congressional protections exactly the same as Native Americans. They had to make that one work (and/or this next phase work at the same time) so they can take down the whole set of laws that directly deal with native Hawaiian rights and 'properties/priviledges' in Phase Three.

I believe they were also running one of the 'Doe' attempts on KS at the time the Rice case was going on too weren't they?

Anyways....

What I ment by schitzophrenic is that there's laws stating situations where blood quantum apply...but for blood quantum to apply a group has to be racially/culturally/ethnically unique enough to have the government set a specific drainage level, They don't do it if you're Asian, or white and if you're black it works backwards.

Yet at the same time they keep ruling that the Hawaiian people as a race aren't anything special and don't rate special treatment like Native Americans who are a political designation rather than racial....

Yet Ndns got drainage first....

The Guv sets up land for ya, but you have no land base because Hawaiians never owned the land and call em Homsteads

Ndns get the same thing alot earlier just called Rezs

Yet y'all don't have a homeland with a political system based from a chief so you aren't ....ermm....*bsszzttt*.....whoa semantics brain fry!



Ok so we have these two guys as the players, probably with a whole crew backing em:

Eric Grant


http://www.law.berkeley.edu/alumni/reunions/panelist_bios.html#Farber

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Eric Grant '90 is a specialty solo practitioner based in Sacramento who litigates federal and state cases, principally at the appellate levels. His focus is on constitutional and complex statutory matters, including land use, environmental law, civil rights, campaigns and elections, and religious liberty. He also advises candidates and other political participants regarding campaign finance rules and nonprofit organizations regarding corporate matters. Previously, Grant was a founding partner at Sweeney & Grant from 2001 to 2004, and practiced at the Pacific Legal Foundation from 1997 to 2001.

Grant was a law clerk in 1994 to retired Chief Justice Warren Burger and to Associate Justice Clarence Thomas of the U.S. Supreme Court. From 1991 to 1993, he was an attorney-advisor in the Office of Legal Counsel at the U.S. Department of Justice. After graduating from Boalt, he was an intern in the Office of the Solicitor General and a law clerk to Judge Edith H. Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit. At Boalt, Grant was the associate editor of the California Law Review . He earned his undergraduate degree in economics from UC Berkeley in 1986. Grant is master of the Milton L. Schwarz American Inn of Court and serves on the executive committee of the Environmental Law & Property Rights Practice Group of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies in Washington, D.C.


http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1059980415595


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John Goemans

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Oct/27/ln/ln08a.html


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Goemans, the slightly rumpled, 69-year-old kama'aina lawyer who has a penchant for loud aloha shirts and a passion for what he believes is justice for all, including non-Hawaiians.

"I think a lot of them would be surprised to learn that I am a left-wing liberal," said Goemans, who is of Dutch and Scottish descent.

He ran with the bulls in Pamplona, Spain, in the 1950s, roomed with now-U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy at the University of Virginia law school, helped Kennedy's older brother John win the Hawai'i vote and the presidency in 1960 and ran a U.S. State Department office in Hawai'i.

Today, he divides his time between Waimea on the Big Island and Pupukea on O'ahu's North Shore, while a table in the Barnes & Noble bookstore coffee shop in Kahala serves as his office.

He has been in Hawai'i since statehood, served a term in the state House as a Democrat in the early '60s, and was an aide to state Sen. Malama Solomon in the '80s, but still managed to fly "beneath the radar" before the U.S. Supreme Court found in his favor in February 2000 in the Rice v. Cayetano decision. The court held that allowing only Hawaiians to vote for OHA trustees is unconstitutional.

http://www.honoluluweekly.com/archives/coverstory%201999/04-28-99%20Rice/04-28-99%20Rice.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/24/033.html


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They really want Phase Two to work so that they can prove that even though a group of people have been around for forever and even though they were done wrong in the past...

It's time to suck it up and move on, doesn't matter that something was set up along time ago or not. There is no longer any place for race based iniciatives or afermative action or recompensions.

KS doesn't have the hard core protections in place that the Homestead lands and funds do, it'll be easier to prove that native Hawaiians are simply a race and not a political entity.

Somehow the legal team has to buffer the idea up that the ancestry of the native Hawaiian is tied to a once political ancestry....the Monarchy. The response to the case filed hinted at an alternat way of saving things so that admissions would pretty much remain the way it is now.

I believe it's by asking for ancestry based on citizenship and alleigance to the Monarchy with a point date of the Princess' birth year. So all ancestry tied tracable to that date or before that would qualify for scholarship. Anyone else would have to pay full tuition, book, lodging, food, etc.

And ...~ahem.~...."due to the challanges and new focus on outreaching to younger native Hawaiian children, Kamehameha Schools feel it necessary to raise the cost to tuition to $ <insert coinage of choice here>"


With the alleigance and loyalty thing in there decendants of the people who did the taking over wouldn't be eligable even if they were citizens...would establish a political referancing point and would be withing the law the present law.


Phase Three is when they go after the land directly and the funds generated from them.

[Peshkwe]

Gads...that's about as coherant as mud...geeze...



Now ya know why I don't post alot of wordy stuffage.

[Miulang]

Actually, what you said makes a LOT of sense to me. Just recently, I was talking to one of the descendants of one of the ali'i from Ka'u (he says he has a brother who still lives on the ahupua'a and is living a self-sufficient life there, fishing and eating off the land, without electricity. Makes his own clothes and shoes from pili grass). Wiliama got an estimated tax bill from the City of Honolulu (he was living on homestead land in Nanakuli). He went to the City Assessors, and they couldn't tell him why he got that estimate. Then he went to DHHL (which he noted has NO kanaka maoli working in its offices) and eventually found out the reason he got the estimate was because DHHL wanted to be "ready" in case the kanaka maoli lost the Arakaki case and the homestead lands were converted to fee simple lands and could be assessed property taxes. Talk about putting the cart before the horse! :mad:

Miulang

[Peshkwe]

Keep an eye on groups like 'One Nation United' and the 'Aloha for All' and all those other groups like that, plus the big guys like the Federalist Society and stuff. It's all a game of power to them and the big guys use the little guys and the little guys seek the advice of the big guys.

What's happening is although the mainland Nations have their treaties and laws already established, it's still at the whim of ol' Uncle Sugar....and Uncle Sugar is a spoiled child who wants it's candy, big money feeds that jones so big money plays the game hard and the junkie listens close. If there's some game players who are truely altruistic (or simply misguided) or who are in it for their own game and need to play...Uncle Sugar don't care so long as the fix gets there. That's why the US let the takeover ride when it happened in the first place, even though it was openly stated it was illegal and all that. The big money game players shoved some candy (money/power/influance) down Uncle Sugar's throat, and the fix let the nod set in and there ya go.

So what's gonna happen is that y'all are being set up as the sample 'taste' for the junkie.

Without y'all looking really really hard at Constitutional Law...every little twist and turn of it....or without some protection in place that makes a big arsed trade off (Akaka Bill), the things ment for the betterment and protection of the Kanaka Maoli will fall eventually as being 'race based'. and thus discriminatory.

As you guys fall, the cases don't 'exactly' set precedance for direct use of the rulings on the mainland Nations treaties and soverigne rights...but they do open the door for discussion on whether those protections should be blown away because of the escalatingly pointed judgemnts based on 'racisim'.

Once all the native Hawaiian programs are opened up to the general populace and there's no 'do-overs' possible. Amazingly a group will ping on the historical similarities (that are being 'convienently' ignored or poo-pooed for the time being) and go after the protections, lands and funds of the Ndn Nations....because...look, it was proven over there on those islands that those Kanakas were just a group of conquored people and just like anybody else even if they did have their own Nation.

[Miulang]

You know what's sad, Peshkwe? The people who are lining up on both sides of this issue are really only looking at today. They have no energy or interest to devote to thinking about the future implications of the things that are decided today.

I was watching the 150th Anniversary of the signing of the Nisqually treaty a few weeks ago on community TV. The thing that gave me chicken skin was when the Tribal Chief (a woman) said that the Native Americans work hard today so that the people seven generations into the future will have something left. Many Americans today have no concept of making their actions today benefit the people of tomorrow. When environmentalists talk about protecting the resources today, people say, "Why bother? I won't be around when disaster finally strikes."

I think all the indigenous people of the world know where it's at. And where it's at is living today in a way that will give the people of tomorrow a future.

Miulang

[Peshkwe]

I don't know exactly what ya want to call it...maybe a weird modernized type of dominion. More business and politically powered than religiously powered (although.....) but it's like dealing with the Borg in suits.

If you are different

YOU

MUST

BE

ASSIMILATED!!!!!!

Those who do not or can not be assimilated will be 'destroyed'.


I hope the Bishop museum and and assorted Hawaiian historical depositories has alot of the stuff relating to the past duplicated and stored in a few different safe places.

It'd be better if the real stuff was off someplace safe but I don't think it'd want to leave. So get the information out, but get the source protected and underground.


*looks around*

Eh? What? Paranoid? Nahhh....not a bit.....

:p

[Miulang]

I found this letter to the editor from 2003 in the Star Bulletin (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Sep/14/op/op10a.html). It was written by Na 'Ahu 'Ula, a hui of The Queen Lili'uokalani Trust, the William Charles Lunalilo Trust Estate and the Kamehameha Schools.

It's a reminder that what's at stake in the KSBE case is not just the admission policies of KSBE, but the health and future of the Lunalilo Home and the Queen Liliuokalani Children's Home as well.


"...King William Charles Lunalilo took care of the kupuna, establishing the Lunalilo Home. Queen Lili'uokalani provided for the needs of orphaned and indigent children, and Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop established the Kamehameha Schools. Between them, these ali'i took responsibility for the elderly, children and education. Separately, each trust improves well-being in one way; together, they improve the well-being of the whole person. That was the vision of the ali'i.

All of us are nonprofits. All of us have policies of preference for Hawaiians. One of us, Kamehameha Schools, is defending its preference policy in court. We view this attack on one of us as an attack on us all. All of us were created to restore the well-being of Hawaiians that was so badly damaged at the time our ali'i made their bequests. All of us have been working toward that for more than a century. And all of us have more work to do...."

Funny how times change and yet some things remain the same...

Miulang

[lurkah]

"...King William Charles Lunalilo took care of the kupuna, establishing the Lunalilo Home. Queen Lili'uokalani provided for the needs of orphaned and indigent children, and Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop established the Kamehameha Schools. Between them, these ali'i took responsibility for the elderly, children and education. Separately, each trust improves well-being in one way; together, they improve the well-being of the whole person. That was the vision of the ali'i.

All of us are nonprofits. All of us have policies of preference for Hawaiians. One of us, Kamehameha Schools, is defending its preference policy in court. We view this attack on one of us as an attack on us all. All of us were created to restore the well-being of Hawaiians that was so badly damaged at the time our ali'i made their bequests. All of us have been working toward that for more than a century. And all of us have more work to do...."
Wow, I wasn't aware of that. If that's all true, then that information needs to be somehow shared and made more known to the general public and supporters of KSBE to help them appreciate just how much deeper the higher courts' decisions will impact the other two legs of the three-legged stool, which I'm sure just a letter to the editor would fall far short of doing.

[Miulang]

Yeah, imagine da pilikia...one non-kanaka maoli makule kine person going sue to get into da Lunalilo Home and one non-kanaka maoli orphan going want to live in da Queen Liliu'okalani Children's Home!

Little by little...chipchipchipchip... :(

Miulang

[lurkah]

The non-Hawaiian boy who has challenged Kamehameha Schools' "Hawaiians-only" admission policy has lost another legal shot (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/12/news/story4.html) at attending the private school for his senior year.

[Miulang]

All I'm gonna do is pray that the early return of the kolea to Hawai'i really did signal that everything is going to be made pono for KSBE.

Miulang

[Miulang]

At least one Honolulu resident (http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/4841268/detail.html) is planning to be in San Francisco next Saturday for the big KSBE rally.

Miulang

[Miulang]

KSBE was granted an extension (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050813/NEWS07/508130321/1012/NEWS) on its time to prepare for an appeal to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Onipa'a!
Miulang

[lurkah]

This is like a 1996 - 8/6/2005 (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050814/NEWS23/508140322/1001/NEWS) recap of events.

[Miulang]

Now the kanaka maoli battle to preserve what little they have left is going to get even more interesting with the Grassroot Institute (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050814/NEWS23/508140321/1001) and Aloha for All entering the fray. Both factions oppose the Akaka Bill, but for different reasons.

Miulang

[Miulang]

For critics of KSBE who say that the Trust is not doing enough outreach to the kanaka maoli community, please read the following story (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050815/NEWS07/508150322/1001/NEWS) and be pleasantly surprised. Even though the Trustees admit what they've done so far is still far less than what needs to be done, they have exceeded the goals established in 2001 to provide services to underprivileged kanaka maoli keiki in the community.

Miulang

[Stephen]

Here's an interesting editorial in the SB

http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/15/editorial/indexspecial3.html

I'd have to say there's definitely some credence to the writer's viewpoints.

Stephen

[Glen Miyashiro]

Here's an interesting editorial in the SB

http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/15/editorial/indexspecial3.html

I'd have to say there's definitely some credence to the writer's viewpoints.On the one hand, I agree with Walter Schoettle, the writer of that editorial, that the Kamehameha Schools have been picking the low-hanging fruit, so to speak, in choosing to admit only the best and brightest Hawaiian students. It's the easy thing to do. The far harder task is to reach out to poor and poorly-educated Hawaiian kids, the ones who are more likely to end up on the police blotter than the honor roll. KS has acknowledged this (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050815/NEWS07/508150322/1001/NEWS) and they're working to move in that direction.

But I was taken aback by Schoettle's "phony native Hawaiians" comment. Yes, full-blooded Hawaiians are often the ones who need the most help, but does it invalidate one's identity as a Hawaiian if you are only 1/8 or 1/16 or 1/32 Hawaiian? Using words like "phony" seems hurtful and divisive.

[Stephen]

Glen,
I had to read that a few times myself. I'm not sure what his intent was - was he inferring that someone who is 1/64 Hawaiian is a phony or is he referring to people who actually have no Hawaiian blood yet claim it is their ancestry? I'm not sure. When I read the article, I interpreted it as the latter. I do hope that this lawsuit will lead to a refocusing on the Hawaiian keiki - not just the smart ones - it's unwise to write off "less intelligent" students. Think Einstein.
Ragin Cajun

[alohabear]

This articule above from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin today says it all . This is how KSBE should take care of the Kanaka Maoli .....then things can become Pono :)

[Miulang]

One of the larger events being staged on the Mainland in support of KSBE will be held in San Francisco (http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/19/news/index7.html) tomorrow. There's a candlelight vigil tonight also. We'll be in Kalama, WA today and tomorrow celebrating the 175th anniversary of the arrival of John Kalama in the Pacific NW and picking up some Ku I Ka Pono t-shirts to wear at tonight's John Keawe ki ho'alu concert.

Miulang

[Pikake]

...any chance for a rally here in Seattle? What happened to the NW supporters?

[Miulang]

At least 500 people turned out in their Ku I Ka Pono t-shirts yesterday in San Francisco. According to the reports (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050821/NEWS23/508210334/1173/NEWS), most were not KBSE grads, but people who nonetheless supported KSBE. Hopefully this will not be the last demonstration staged on the Mainland to educate the people up here to the plight of the kanaka maoli.

If you look at the back of the Ku I Ka Pono t-shirt that's being sold by ilio'ulaokalani (www.ilio.org), besides KSBE, the following kanaka maoli issues have coalesced into one movement: Kukaniloko, na iwi kupuna, mauna kea, Pohakuloa, Northwestern Hawaiian Islands and the ali'i trust lands; these are the things that mean a lot to the kanaka maoli, and which are now in jeopardy because of others who have no respect for their culture or their history.

Miulang

P.S. According to their website, there will be a convoy/march on Sept. 4 to Kukaniloko (http://www.ilio.org/pdfs/kuikapono%20ltr%20size.pdf), where the DoD wants to train Stryker Brigade forces.

[Miulang]

...any chance for a rally here in Seattle? What happened to the NW supporters?
I don't know if there can be a rally in Seattle. It would depend greatly on the local groups (KSBE alumni association and the Wakinikona Hawaiian Club (http://www.wakinikona.com/clubnews.htm)) and their willingness to undertake something like this. I saw a map of the US yesterday (from OHA) that shows there are as many people calling themselves Hawaiian who reside in Washington state as there are on the island of Kauai (around 13,500), so that means there's a lot of expats living up here.

One of the things you can do to bring yourself up to speed on the Hawaiian events being held in the Seattle area is to pick up a free copy of the Pacific NW Hawai'i Times. It can be found in places like L&L, Hawaii General Store, Bobby's Restaurant in Everett, Kauai Family Restaurant, Kona Kitchen, Lei's Family Restaurant in Duvall, and the Longs Drugstore in Lynnwood. That's a good way to find out when ho'olauleas and pa'ainas are being held and where the restaurants serving Hawaiian style foods are located.

Miulang

[Pikake]

I saw a map of the US yesterday (from OHA) that shows there are as many people calling themselves Hawaiian who reside in Washington state as there are on the island of Kauai (around 13,500), so that means there's a lot of expats living up here.
Are you serious?! Where dey stay hiding? Oh yea - das da ones dat no like shaka dem buggas. NAH J/K!!!

One of the things you can do to bring yourself up to speed on the Hawaiian events being held in the Seattle area is to pick up a free copy of the Pacific NW Hawai'i Times. It can be found in places like L&L, Hawaii General Store, Bobby's Restaurant in Everett, Kauai Family Restaurant, Kona Kitchen, Lei's Family Restaurant in Duvall, and the Longs Drugstore in Lynnwood.

You fo get da kine...Uwajimaya - das wea I get my copy from. I stay up to beat wit that all the time.

Well for now, I'm waving the Hawaiian colors upside down on the rear window of my van wit Ku I Ka Pono on it!!! Trying to get the other island soldiers stationed here to represent.

K-den - bumbai till next time!!!

[Miulang]

Well for now, I'm waving the Hawaiian colors upside down on the rear window of my van wit Ku I Ka Pono on it!!! Trying to get the other island soldiers stationed here to represent.

K-den - bumbai till next time!!!

So if I driving down by Magnolia and I see one van with Ku I Ka Pono and one upside down Hawaiian flag on top, I going honk da horn and flash da shaka at you, den! :)

Miulang

[Miulang]

Reports from organizers of the Ku I Ka Pono rally (http://www.ksbe.edu/article.php?story=20050821145036998) in San Francisco put the number of marchers at anywhere from 2,000 to 2,500 people, which is a vastly different number than was given by the AP stringer. I think the real numbers were probably somewhere in between, more like 1,000 to 1,500 marchers. Here are additional pictures (http://gallery133688.fotopic.net/c660894.html) from the rally. And here is the text of the speech given by Kelii Brown (http://www.justiceforhawaiians.net/remarks_brown.html) at the gathering:

"...To those of you here today who are not of Native Hawaiian ancestry... I would personally like to thank you even more so. You have taken a stand for what is pono, what is correct. You recognize the repeated injustices Hawaiians have historically faced and are here today simply because you believe it is the right thing to do. I salute you.

It is, in fact, with you "Hawaiians-at-heart" in mind that I remind all of us that this is not a Hawaiian vs. non-Hawaiian issue. The vast majority of Hawai'i, regardless of ethnicity, appreciate our plight and understand retribution and justice for kanaka maoli are in everyone's best interests...."



Miulang

[kimo55]

I going honk da horn and flash da shaka at you, den! :)

Miulang


don't honk. locals don't honk. only mainlanders.

[Palolo Joe]

Tell that to braddah who was honking like crazy after getting cut off in the lane next to me on Kapiolani yesterday...

[kimo55]

I did. He said with a happy grin: "I learned dat from da mainlanders!"

[Miulang]

Apparently the forum (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050823/NEWS23/508230341/1173/NEWS) yesterday to discuss the Akaka Bill and its implications drew spirited debate about what passage of the law would or would not do. All residents of Hawai'i need to become educated about the complex issues surrounding this debate because whatever the outcome, it will alter your way of life, and if the issue should come to a vote in Hawai'i, you want to make sure you know what the facts are.

Miulang

[Miulang]

It's official now. KSBE has filed a petition (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Aug/23/br/br01p.html) for an en banc hearing. It's now up to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to decide whether to seat 11 justices for a full hearing on the John Doe Case. Interesting that the attorney who filed on behalf of KSBE is from Palo Alto. So now both sides have Mainland attorneys to argue the case.

Miulang

[Pikake]

So if I driving down by Magnolia and I see one van with Ku I Ka Pono and one upside down Hawaiian flag on top, I going honk da horn and flash da shaka at you, den! :)

Miulang

:) Shoots Braddah!!! Bring on the shakas!!!:)

[lurkah]

:) Shoots Braddah!!! Bring on the shakas!!!:)
Eh tita, Miulang is one tita too. ;)
Sending shakas to you too from da opposite corner of da state.http://ohanalanai.com/lanai/images/smilies/shaka.gif

[Palolo Joe]

I did. He said with a happy grin: "I learned dat from da mainlanders!"
Was that before or after he pounded you into the sidewalk?

[Pikake]

Eh tita, Miulang is one tita too. ;)
Sending shakas to you too from da opposite corner of da state.http://ohanalanai.com/lanai/images/smilies/shaka.gif
Oh shiznitz! Shame dat kine! Forgive me Miulang - neva mean fo offend!
Thanks Lurkah!

K-den Shaka Braddahs! :p

[Miulang]

Dee Jay Miller, CEO of KSBE offered the following mahalos (http://www.ksbe.edu/article.php?story=20050809094023807) to the community both in Hawai'i and on the Mainland for the recent shows of support for KSBE in the John Doe v. KSBE lawsuit.

[Miulang]

Here's the latest round of activity related to KSBE's en banc petition (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050831/NEWS20/508310341/1170/NEWS) before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The Hawai'i congressional delegation has been joined in an amicus curiae brief filed by 3 groups representing Japanese American and Hispanic American citizens in agreeing that KSBE does not violate any civil rights laws.

"...A separate friend-of-the-court brief was filed by the Japanese American Citizens League-Hawai'i chapter and two San Francisco-based groups, Equal Justice Society and Centro Legal de la Raza.

Eric Yamamoto, a University of Hawai'i law professor and a lawyer for the three groups on the brief, said they argue that the admissions policy does not threaten the civil rights of racial minorities..."

Miulang

[waioli kai]

Ezra Kanoho, HI state kauai representative, Kamehameha School graduate does not not help Kamehameah Schools with his partisan characterization of the 9th Fed Court as (paraphrasing) "Democrat-appointed judges outnumber Republican-appointed judges 2-1, 16 to 8, so an en banc (judgement by lottery) hearing will favor Democrat-appointed judges, who (his partisan thinking/reasoning begs others to, like him,) will have, would have had, an opinion similar to the lone judge who wrote the opposing opinion for the court in Dough (as in money, as in $$, as in $US, as in US$) verses Kamehameha Schools.

[Miulang]

I wonder if the same 3 judges who ruled against KSBE in Doe v. KSBE were also the same 3 judges who today overruled a lower court decision that says OHA can use state tax dollars from state land rentals to fund Hawaiian only programs? If it's another set of 3 judges, then I think KSBE may have a problem.

Miulang

[waioli kai]

Miulang: "I wonder if the same 3 judges who ruled against KSBE in Doe v. KSBE were also the same 3 judges who today overruled a lower court decision that says OHA can use state tax dollars from state land rentals to fund Hawaiian only programs? If it's another set of 3 judges, then I think KSBE may have a problem."

Two judges ruled against KS, in Dough vs. KS; one ruled in favor of KS.

In today's world of a better educated and better connected (communication-wise) public, the US HI's Office of Hawaiian Affairs would never have come into being, even if the State of HI had done so by a legal elections. The bogUS State of Hawaii should never have had a penny sent directly to the State Treasury from rentals of lands whose revenues were intended for peoples of Hawaiian ancestry and sacrifice.


I wouldn't hold my breath expecting justice for Kamehameha Schools from the U.S. Supreme Court either, however, judges in the United States embody the last ray of hope for humanity, given the catastrophic failure of US representative government that allows great representation for Corporate America and leftovers for the populace as a whole; given corporatUSt$ subversion of the U.S. Executive Branch. That any noble purpose and noble effect remains to materialize from the upper hierarchy of any U.S. branch of government, the U.S. Judicial Branch seems to be the least mortally corrupted than are the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch.

[Miulang]

Filing amicus curiae briefs (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050901/NEWS20/509010352/1170/NEWS) on behalf of KSBE's en banc petition yesterday were the City and County of Honolulu and the National Association of Independent Schools. I believe the 9th Circuit has to decide within a few weeks whether it will hold another hearing, so the fact that KSBE is able to secure more friends is a good sign. The addition of the 2 entities now brings the number of amicus curiae filings to at least 6 other groups who believe KSBE's admissions policies are not discriminatory. Haven't heard of any such filings for the plaintiff's side.

Miulang

[haolegirl73]

I have a really silly question....... A couple years ago I read about some controversy at the king Kam schools. They were attempting to force the school to allow ALL kids a chance to attend No matter if they had Hawaiian blood or not. Is this true?? does anyone have more information on this?? If so, could you please fill me in. I have been living away from Home waaaay too long.

[admin]

I've merged your question into the last thread about the controversy surrounding Kamehameha Schools' admissions policy. You might want to read back through it (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=46487#post46487) for some background, as well as a prior thread (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6052) on the same topic (though it eventually derailed).

[craigwatanabe]

Yes you have been away wayyyy to long because it's not the King Kam school! That's such a disgraceful thing to say about Kamehameha Schools.

You wouldn't call Punahou school "POO School" would you or the JFK memorial "Johnny's tomb".

It is K-A-M-E-H-A-M-E-H-A schools, rich in Hawaiian culture. It is NOT a Chinese School :D

Regarding your post, here's the link to an earlier thread regarding this very topic: http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6052

Enjoy the thread, it's long but it should get you going on what was said already from many of us who have discussed this.

Sorry for getting anal about the name of the school, but please out of respect for the greatest king in Hawaiian history say it correctly or don't say it at all.

Mahalo :)

[zztype]

It is K-A-M-E-H-A-M-E-H-A schools, rich in Hawaiian culture. It is NOT a Chinese School :D
Maybe she meant Kam School? http://cafepress.com/kamschool

[craigwatanabe]

Maybe she meant Kam School? http://cafepress.com/kamschool


Oh jeez! IT's not even that. To abbreviate one's name only means not giving it much respect. Kamehameha Schools. There's only one way to say it.

[zztype]

Oh jeez! IT's not even that. To abbreviate one's name only means not giving it much respect. Kamehameha Schools. There's only one way to say it.
Kam School is not Kamehameha Schools. Two different entities.

There's also http://www.kamschool.com where I don't think they require you to be Hawaiian.

Blaine

[Leo Lakio]

Appeals court agrees to rehear Kamehameha admission case
(Associated Press) via Star-Bulletin
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A federal appeals court announced Wednesday it would reconsider a decision to strike down Kamehameha Schools’ Hawaiians-only admissions policy as illegal. The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued an order saying that all 15 judges would rehear arguments on the school’s 118-year-old policy.

On Aug. 2, a three-judge appeals panel struck down the policy, with a 2-1 decision, as racially discriminatory. The San Francisco-based court ruled in a lawsuit brought on behalf of a non-Hawaiian student who was denied admission in 2003.

The full court did not give a date for rehearing the case.

Robert Kihune, Kamehameha Schools’ head trustee, said he is pleased with the court’s decision. “It signals that the appeals court agrees that this lawsuit raises unique issues of exceptional importance to Native Hawaiians,” Kihune said. The school claims Hawaiians need to be given preference to address social and economic disadvantages that Native Hawaiians have endured since the 1893 overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy.

The decision to rehear the case before the entire court effectively erases the three-judge panel’s discrimination decision as precedent in the case, unless a majority of the 15 judges agree to uphold it.

[pzarquon]

I believe the 9th Circuit has to decide within a few weeks whether it will hold another hearing, so the fact that KSBE is able to secure more friends is a good sign.Just in via the Star-Bulletin's "breaking news":

Appeals court agrees to rehear Kamehameha admission case (http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=4212)
A federal appeals court announced Wednesday it would reconsider a decision to strike down Kamehameha Schools’ Hawaiians-only admissions policy as illegal... The decision to rehear the case before the entire court effectively erases the three-judge panel’s discrimination decision as precedent in the case, unless a majority of the 15 judges agree to uphold it.ETA: Ah, Leo, quicker on the draw!

[Leo Lakio]

ETA: Ah, Leo, quicker on the draw!A mere fluke, I assure you.

Quite a major decision since, last I read, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals usually grants en banc hearings in only about 2% of the requests.

I look forward to the ongoing discussion (and I'm glad the news didn't come down any later - by Friday, the latest NW Hawai`i Times would have been ready to print, and we'd have missed this story.)

And as you so eloquently put it earlier, pz, in your admin persona:
"Please keep it on-topic, and keep personal attacks out of it."

[Leo Lakio]

Next event in this saga comes tomorrow (6/20/06), when the en banc re-hearing takes place. On a related topic, there are a series of pule that the Kamehameha Schools have put together for that day - and one of the selected ones was contributed by my radio co-host, Manono (Aki) McMillan (Moloka`i, KS '68.) A most talented and gracious person, with whom I have the utmost pleasure to be associated.
http://www.ksbe.edu/pdf/doe_haipule.pdf

[timkona]

The 9th Circuit Court will hear this case tomorrow.

There was an interesting quote in the paper today. Kekoa Paulsen, spokesmam for Kamehameha Schools said "her(the princess) intent was to provide a means for educating her people so they could compete in a society that was changing so quickly."

I wonder if the Princess felt that "her people" could not compete on equal footing in the regular school systems?

And how do you explain the successful Hawaiians who went to public school here?

So much for the notion that all men are created equal.

[Nalu]

So much for the notion that all men are created equal.


That is all it is, a notion. Look at what is going on In Africa, The Middle East and other parts of the world. Nothing like a jolt of reality to defeat that notion.

I see nothing wrong with these Hawaiians having something unique that they can take pride in. Now if they would only raise the blood quantum for admissions,that would be great.

[timkona]

Funny how racial arguments sound the same throughout time.

150 years ago you could find Americans using the same arguments to keep blacks out of schools and everywhere else.

How fun must it be to take the minds of young, impressionable folks, and mold them into hateful racists? What is the difference betwen Nalu and any member of the Ku Klux Klan?

I bet your parents are so proud of you.

PS - Don't date white girls. That will just dilute the bloodlines further.

[admin]

What is the difference betwen Nalu and any member of the Ku Klux Klan? I bet your parents are so proud of you.Tim, quit with the personal attacks. You've proven yourself articulate enough to make your points without them. Contact me if you have questions.

Subsequent off-topic posts will be deleted without comment.

[Nalu]

Funny how racial arguments sound the same throughout time.

150 years ago you could find Americans using the same arguments to keep blacks out of schools and everywhere else.

How fun must it be to take the minds of young, impressionable folks, and mold them into hateful racists? What is the difference betwen Nalu and any member of the Ku Klux Klan?

I bet your parents are so proud of you.

PS - Don't date white girls. That will just dilute the bloodlines further.


Racism is not part of the curriculum at Kamehameha.

Ignorance is no excuse for you to make inaccurate generalizations about Kamehameha.

[timkona]

Racism is not part of the curriculum at Kamehameha.

But it is part of the admissions policy? Perhaps the students are not aware of the admissions policy?

Tomorrow will be a big day. I am prepared to change my mind, and embrace racism, if the judiciary finds, in their infinite wisdom, that society has room for racial preferences.

Are you ready to change your mind if not?

[Nalu]

Racism is not part of the curriculum at Kamehameha.

But it is part of the admissions policy? Perhaps the students are not aware of the admissions policy?

Tomorrow will be a big day. I am prepared to change my mind, and embrace racism, if the judiciary finds, in their infinite wisdom, that society has room for racial preferences.

Are you ready to change your mind if not?

Anybody that has ever visited Kamehameha's Kapalama campus knows that racism is not a part of Kamehameha's admission policy . There are a myriad of ethnicities that make up the Student population at Kamehameha. I know it's hard for you to see.. being that you live in a black and white world so I don't expect you, a caucasian from the continental states, to understand. I will say however, that it would probably be better for all involved if you kept your comments close to only those things you have a grasp of.

I don't waiver in the wind nor I don't live my life to the whims of the US judicial system.

We will fight to defend our culture and the future of our Keiki.

[admin]

As with our first thread attempting a reasoned discussion of this topic, participants still seem unable to resist personal attacks (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showpost.php?p=34596&postcount=3) and irrelevant references to each others' presumed or stated ethnicities. So this one is being closed as well.