Failures and Triumphs of Christians...

[Menehune Man]

I largely agree with what both Shaveice and Kimo have stated in the "Akaka Bill" thread. I am a Christian and am sorry for the times in my own life that I haven't done the right things in situations. Jesus Christ was brave and upright, selfless and holy. Most Christians, at times, have failed at living up to those ideals. Mainly due to not truly living our faith. I have allowed the putdown talk of others to stop me from doing things I felt was right. Jesus said to expect persecution. Through my own fluctuations in faith, I have caused damage to other's beliefs. While other times God has done wonderous things through my life to strengthen their beliefs. Of course the only part I played was to live by faith. When we truly believe that God knows and cares about us then we live differently than we previously did. It's a relationship with understanding not just trying to follow a rule book without help. It takes courage to overcome trials. Courage is not the absence of fear but the will to overcome it. It takes trusting in God to persevere when in ourselves we see no hope. The Isrealites beat far superior armies, were freed from Egypt and many more miraculous stories not by their own power but through the help of God. There are Christians living their faith and doing great works out there in the name of Jesus this and every day.

[craigwatanabe]

I used to be a stewardship trustee at a very eclectic UCC church in Waialae Kahala. Churches were for fellowship and the worship of God. However I used to see the same people sin like crazy Monday thru Saturday, then come into church and nod in agreement with our pastor's sermons, even sing songs of praise! Feeling cleaner than a baby's butt they go out Sunday afternoon with a clean slate and sin some more.

I'm still a Christian however I keep it personal. My relation with God is between him and myself, I don't need to be reminded of who my savior is because when someone saves your life you tend to remember their name as if it were chistled in rock.

What I cannot stand are those bible thumpers on TV, you know those evangalists that praise the word of God then at the bottom of the screen is a 1-800 number asking you to help build their ministries with your generous contribution. They scare me as much as those blurry videos of Osama Bin Laden!

You don't have to give money to a massive ministry to be blessed by God, you simply have to accept Christ into your life and to trust in the Lord that he will show you the path to salvation. It's that simple.

As a Christian I feel embarrassed at the way it's being marketed here in the United States. It's big business and unfortunately most of these ministries have lost their humble ways.

[Menehune Man]

It sure is interesting how the topics of "Who Jesus Christ is...", "The style of worship Christianity has..." and "The lives of Christians..." always stirs up controversy. In the thread "Religeous Right verses Left", we see many different viewpoints. Some believe that Christians are to be perfect and to save every society from every ill. The Bible does not support that hypothesis. There are many Christian programs around the world and here in Hawai'i that are feeding, clothing, housing, educating whoever they can, but there will always be the poor and needy. Jesus said that people are saved by God's Grace through believing in Him, not by becoming perfect. The Bible also predicted that the peoples of the world will live more and more according to what is right in their own eyes, as opposed to living to a power above humans. The problem of different denominations and all the way through the gambit to complete disbelief in a God is represented in that prediction. So believer or not, let us look to ourselves to help our brother/sister instead of expecting someone else to do it.

[kimo55]

triumph of christianity:

it closes a kama'aina lei shop...

http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/19/business/index1.html

[Menehune Man]

[QUOTE=kimo55]triumph of christianity:

it closes a kama'aina lei shop...

I myself have bought leis there while on the way to the airport and many will miss "Sweethearts".

It appears by the story that the closure is looked forward to and they want to move on to other things that they feel are important.

So why the negative implication, Kimo?

[kimo55]

So why the negative implication, Kimo?


dunno, just strikes me as funny:

"...plans to close the shop to dedicate their lives to their Christian faith."
"It's hard to give up, but the Lord says it's time."



I can see it:
"YOU down there. yea, you! Shut down yer binizz and read da bible more!"

[Fondoo2]

dunno, just strikes me as funny:

"...plans to close the shop to dedicate their lives to their Christian faith."
"It's hard to give up, but the Lord says it's time."



I can see it:
"YOU down there. yea, you! Shut down yer binizz and read da bible more!"

If they had the corouge to take risk for there spiritual path good for them!

[Keith H.]

dunno, just strikes me as funny:

"...plans to close the shop to dedicate their lives to their Christian faith."
"It's hard to give up, but the Lord says it's time."

I can see it:
"YOU down there. yea, you! Shut down yer binizz and read da bible more!"

Hey, the Lord speaks, you listen, man! :)

Seriously, though, from the age of the owner, in secular terms she's retiring. I see nothing wrong with that. I find that retirees are often the most devoted members of any church (Christian, Buddhist, or otherwise).

[Fondoo2]

Triumph;Showing me the wisdom of Jesus's teachings
Failures;Church's corrupting those teachings for there own profite