Hurricanes Jova and Kenneth

[Glen Miyashiro]

Here we go! There are two hurricanes east of the Hawaiian Islands right now, Hurricane Jova and Hurricane Kenneth. I'm guessing they'll be in our neighborhood in about a week or so. Here's the latest NOAA bulletin:

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
4 PM PDT FRI SEP 16 2005

FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC... EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE.

The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Hurricane Jova, located about 1350 miles east-southeast of Hilo Hawaii, and on Hurricane Kenneth, located about 1165 miles west-southwest of the southern tip of Baja California.

The broad area of low pressure located about 750 miles south of the southern tip of Baja California is drifting slowly westward. This system has changed little today, but there is some potential for it to develop into a tropical depression during the next day or two , if it does not get absorbed into a larger disturbance located to the east.

A large tropical disturbance located about 400 miles south of Manzanillo Mexico has continued to become a little better organized this afternoon. The system is moving west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph, and it has the potential to develop into a tropical depression during the next day or so.

Elsewhere, Tropical storm formation is not expected through Saturday. Here are a couple of good local map references for storm tracking:

Tropical Storm Tracks (UH)
http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/

Central Pacific Hurricane Center (NOAA)
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/cphc/

[helen]

I guess I should go to the store today and tomorrow and stock up on bottled water, spam, batteries and granola bars.

Not that it's going to hit Hawaii but here is the 4 day advanced notice about hurricanes.

[1stwahine]

I guess I should go to the store today and tomorrow and stock up on bottled water, spam, batteries and granola bars.

Not that it's going to hit Hawaii but here is the 4 day advanced notice about hurricanes.

Helen, since you going to Long's the Red Salmon is also on sale for $1.99 It's great just from the can. Add a little shoyu with sliced tomato and diced onions it's a dish in it's self.

Anybody know wea get cheap toilet paper. I serious. I went to Longs. Had to buy a 12 pack Deluxe Roll for $ 4.99. It's getting expensive to take a dump. If a hurricane does hit...I sure don't want to be without toilet paper.

Where's the list again for what we need? Tape, Water, Medications, etc.

Mahalo,

Aunty Lynn

[manlyman]

been a long time since there was a hurricane close to the islands huh? last one was? hurricane daniel?

[helen]

Ryan said that he wanted to go to Longs to stock up on stuff before the disaster comes. Me I am flexible, I might want to go to Wal-Mart for the toilet paper (roll of 4 for $1.38), Daiei for the spam, Costco for the AA batteries, Sam's Club for the granola bars and I haven't decided on where to get the bottled water yet.

[1stwahine]

Ryan said that he wanted to go to Longs to stock up on stuff before the disaster comes. Me I am flexible, I might want to go to Wal-Mart for the toilet paper (roll of 4 for $1.38), Daiei for the spam, Costco for the AA batteries, Sam's Club for the granola bars and I haven't decided on where to get the bottled water yet.

Ok, Helen you invited to my house! I'll come to pick you up 48 hours before it hits! I stocked up on can goods! I gotta get toilet paper and water.

Auntie Lynn

[kupomog]

Make the hurricane go away http://www.nohomers.net/images/smilies/crying.gif

I'm really scared...our house is so old and frail, I can hear our roof wanting to fly off on a very windy day. Wonder what my parents are going to do...

[1stwahine]

Make the hurricane go away http://www.nohomers.net/images/smilies/crying.gif

I'm really scared...our house is so old and frail, I can hear our roof wanting to fly off on a very windy day. Wonder what my parents are going to do...

Everybody come over Auntie Lynn's House! No be scared, kupomog. The POWER of PRAYER will get us through! ;)

Auntie Lynn

[adrian]

Everybody come over Auntie Lynn's House! No be scared, kupomog. The POWER of PRAYER will get us through! ;)

Auntie Lynn
That'd be a good invite if your place can fit 11 people, along with the other HIthreads people invited.

I haven't seen the latest news on it, but as long as my Dad's tools are in the same place during and after the possible storm, then we're safe.

[kimo55]

The POWER of PRAYER will get us through!


aunty, have you met Tiny Tadani?

[Peshkwe]

When they were talking about NO a doctor had been saying all the medical records for the people in the areas of the Gulf coast that were hit the hardest were lost and that they'd have to build up the things from square one. Which will be really tough for some of the older folks who just don't remember and for kids who don't have their folks to remember for them.

They mentioned an online records storage site where you can fill out a medical history profile so if something happens the records won't be permanetly lost and can be accessed from anywhere.

http://www.inhealthrecords.com/

Might be something to check out. Could be good if you travel alot too.

[Glen Miyashiro]

...and now there's a third storm, Tropical Storm Lidia, behind Hurricane Jova and Hurricane Kenneth. Jova's now a Category 2, and Kenneth is up to Category 3. Boy, this'll be an interesting couple of weeks.

[1stwahine]

Wow! Lucky I when check this thread!

Adrian, I can fit more than 11 people with ease. I have a three bedroom. There's only MAMA, MARK and me. In the event of an emergency, we can surely share our bedrooms and living rooms as deemed fit. We will make room! I also have a huge enclose lanai area.

Kimo, No...I have not met Tiny. I believed in GOD way before TINY came on HT! However, I don't go preaching my beliefs on everyone and I respect what others believe in even if it's a broom. More power to them.

Now, back to the topic at hand...yes, it's going to be very interesting. No excuse not to stock up on items and things. We are warned well in advanced so better not have any cry babies from HT. Even if there will not be anything...it's better to be safe than SORRY!

Auntie Lynn

[mel]

The 4th storm area behind Lidia may become organized too and that will be named Max. At the rate these things are going, we'll be up to the letter "Z" in no time.

OK now I better go look for my flashlight and batteries among other things.

[Hawaiianatheart1995]

Aloha folks,

Wow.....two in one month???? Three in one month????? Good Lord, maybe 4???????? This will be one for my personal history books. I've tried not to watch too much tv the past couple of weeks. So, imagine my surprise this afternoon as I kissed my husband good bye for 6 months (after a two month separation for the guard with a ten day interval in between) and heard from another wife that there were a couple of storms a brewin' in the Pacific. I was in Biloxi, MS for Katrina. Words will never explain completely what it was and still is like down there. I will ask this one thing of all of you local friends. Remember that God gave you life and God will take it if it's your time. But, PLEASE PLEASE take heed in the warnings, etc. that we are given. Prepare......make sure you have plenty of the stuff they warn you to have. Some people where I was sheltered didn't take it seriously. They had no food, they had no water......it was not a good situation. Remember, you may be needed to save somebody else's life. Please take all measures to protect your own. Keep your hearts light. You will need this pleasantness should we actually get hit with this storm. It will help get you through the toughest parts.......Don't wait til the last minute. There will always be something you forget...........be prepared.

[LikaNui]

Click on the photo for a larger version. Notice our islands in the upper middle, and Hurricane Jova in the lower right. Then pray.

[kimo55]

Keep your hearts light.

again with the heart stuff...
http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=4813

[Hawaiianatheart1995]

Sorry Kimo...I didn't mean to offend you. I was just trying to help based on recent personal experience.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Take a look at these three images. They're all based on the same satellite photo, but each image has a different storm highlighted. If you can, open up all three at once (e.g., as three tabs in Firefox) and flip between them:

Jova (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tc_graphics/EP102005_tcdanger.gif) - Kenneth (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tc_graphics/EP112005_tcdanger.gif) - Lidia (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/tc_graphics/EP122005_tcdanger.gif)

Boy, all three in a row... with soon-to-be-named Max right after them... :eek:

[junebloom]

I have a question. In light of katrina what does the governor or mayors of hawaii do when hawaii faces hurricanes. Are your governement officials even thinking about making preparations for the Islands. They are talking about making better safeguards for Louisiana and Mississippi, has anybody heard of them doing that for the Hawaii Islands they are apart of the the United States and should be looked after too.

[helen]

Unless Jova makes a turn to the south, I don't think this one is going to hit Hawaii directly, however we might feel the effects indirectly by more rain and that got me slightly concerned. People talk about the effects of hurricanes due to the high winds and flooding from the sea that hits the coastal areas, but not the rain, which might affect all areas in Hawaii. Granted flood waters are not going to stay around like in New Orleans did but if streams or flood control canals are blocked with rubbish, there might be a situtation like last year's flood at UH, where Manoa stream was blocked, the water jumped the banks and flow downhill to hit parts of UH.

[pzarquon]

Well, serves me right for joking that locals always wait until their windows are rattling before mobbing the nearest Longs. These storms are 1,000 miles away and so far projected to miss us by a huge margin, and yet...

When I headed out today to do some supposedly early replenishment of our hurricane bin, I found Costco Waipio was sold out of bottled water. Wal-Mart was down to some overpriced brands and some really busted up cases of the cheap stuff. Safeway only had large jugs -- the huge shelf area was completely bare.

Also figured I wanted a new flashlight. Walmart was sold out. Propane? Walmart was sold out. I ended up overpaying for an off-brand flashlight at City Mill. Still looking for propane.

Methinks there's a bit of panic buying going on. Better now than when the storm's on our doorstep, though, I guess...

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Well, serves me right for joking that locals always wait until their windows are rattling before mobbing the nearest Longs. These storms are 1,000 miles away and so far projected to miss us by a huge margin, and yet...

When I headed out today to do some supposedly early replenishment of our hurricane bin, I found Costco Waipio was sold out of bottled water. Wal-Mart was down to some overpriced brands and some really busted up cases of the cheap stuff. Safeway only had large jugs -- the huge shelf area was completely bare.

Also figured I wanted a new flashlight. Walmart was sold out. Propane? Walmart was sold out. I ended up overpaying for an off-brand flashlight at City Mill. Still looking for propane.

Methinks there's a bit of panic buying going on. Better now than when the storm's on our doorstep, though, I guess...

I went to THREE different grocery stores in an attempt to buy one freakin' 20lb bag of rice. I canNOT bring myself to type the price I paid for that bag when I finally found it, but know this! It was NOT on sale™.

[helen]

I guess I consider myself lucky because this afternoon a friend drove me to Costco at Iwilei and managed to pick spam, tuna, AA batteries, Gatorade and Capri Sun drinks.

They had one pack of C batteries left. I wasn't looking for bottled water but I figure I could drink some of the Gatorade now since I have 24 bottles and fill up the empty bottles with water.

This goes on the theory that I don't have to evacuate my building during a hurricane because there is no way I can lug the stuff I brought to some shelter.

[Hawaiianatheart1995]

I have heard of some meetings and committees being formed to re vamp if you will. But, with Katrina only three weeks old, I'm sure not much has been accomplished. We shall soon see.

[Hawaiianatheart1995]

Helen,

I went to Home Depot today to stock up on the batteries and flashlights, etc. Tomorrow I will be going to the commissary for the grocery items. Trust me. We will not be too prepared.

[kupomog]

Yikes..."sold out" is not something nice to see right about now...

We did our shopping just last night, went to that Sam's Club and Wal-Mart by Like Like Drive-In and got pretty much everything we needed. I think the only thing we didn't get is toilet paper, but we have quite a bit as it is. Next for us is probably fixing up our house, making it as sturdy as absolutely possible. It'll be hard since my parents work long hours during the day, but we'll work it out, hopefully.

[Hawaiianatheart1995]

Nope, it sure isn't. I am definitely going to the commissary first thing to get my water and tuna fish. Dang....thanks for the heads up about them already selling out of stuff.

[Linkmeister]

Burn, baby, burn!

No, I mean all we computer geeks should be backing up data and programs to CDs/DVDs in case of hurricanes. Store 'em with the insurance policies and other important papers that you grab when you have to run.

I just looked up Hurricane Iwa, and found an interesting discussion (http://members.aol.com/Rosendalhe/hurrican1.htm) of the hows and whys of the storms.

[Glen Miyashiro]

I just looked up Hurricane Iwa, and found an interesting discussion (http://members.aol.com/Rosendalhe/hurrican1.htm) of the hows and whys of the storms.That whole site is great; thanks for the pointer to it. Its author, Hans Rosendal, was a lead forecaster with the Honolulu Forecast Office of the National Weather Service from 1978 to his retirement earlier this year. He also has a good discussion of Iniki, as well as Hawaiian hurricanes and Hawaiian weather in general.

[pzarquon]

I went to THREE different grocery stores in an attempt to buy one freakin' 20lb bag of rice. I canNOT bring myself to type the price I paid for that bag when I finally found it, but know this! It was NOT on sale™.Yipe! I forgot about rice. We're covered on most fronts (for once, buying at Costco and having too much of stuff is a good thing), but yeah, we're down to our last dozen cups or so on the gohan. Hmm.

One effect of the Katrina aftermath is that local forecasters are not going to jump to conclusions (http://starbulletin.com/2005/09/19/news/story3.html) about distant storms. Jova seems destined to fade and pass to the east, but... never say never.

[helen]

Corky Trinidad seems to have an idea who purchased all that bottled water (http://starbulletin.com/2005/09/19/news/corky.html) over the weekend. No idea on the guilty party or parties who hoarded the rice.

[Kona Girl]

How does one cook rice when there's no electricity or generators? I was about to buy some but rethought it. Bought pretzels & crackers instead.

Canned soups work too...but again. How do i warm them up (cold is always a better option that starvation) without building an open fire in my yard?

[helen]

There is always portable camp stoves that run on propane. However since I don't have one I was buying stuff that can be eaten without cooking such as spam and tuna.

[Glen Miyashiro]

When a storm forms in the Central Pacific region (that's our area) then it is assigned a Hawaiian name. They started doing that in 1982. It's probably no coincidence that the two worst hurricanes in Hawai‘i since then, ‘Iwa and Iniki, have both had Hawaiian names. That means that they formed near to the Hawaiian Islands rather forming in the waters off of Mexico, so they got to us when they were still "young", so to speak. I wonder if that made the difference?

[craigwatanabe]

How does one cook rice when there's no electricity or generators? I was about to buy some but rethought it. Bought pretzels & crackers instead.

Canned soups work too...but again. How do i warm them up (cold is always a better option that starvation) without building an open fire in my yard?


Believe it or not cooking rice is the same as making a pot of coffee over the stove...ummmm okay you don't know how to make a pot of coffee over the stove right?

Okay here we go for you techies who rely on modern marvels to cook your rice and Starbucks for your morning cup o java:

Use the finger method for the amount of water to use...same as normal.

Put pot of rice with water on burner/hibachi/weber/whatever makes a decent flame.

Bring to full boil and let boil for about a minute.

Reduce flame and simmer for 10-15 minutes leaving lid on the pot.

Viola!! Rice like your Tiger rice maker made it.

[pzarquon]

When a storm forms in the Central Pacific region (that's our area) then it is assigned a Hawaiian name.Interesting that you should note this. I was just updating a HawaiiAnswers.com entry on Hawaiian storm names (http://www.hawaiianswers.com/index.php?page=index_v2&id=196&c=10). It is interesting that Iwa hit the first year they started assigning them Hawaiian names, and that both major storms were 'I' storms (both names were also retired). I definitely think their origin point was a major reason they were so destructive. Note how storms in the Eastern Pacific worry us, but that their 120 m.p.h. winds generally fade before they get too close. Generally.

[lavagal]

Interesting that you should note this. I was just updating a HawaiiAnswers.com entry on Hawaiian storm names (http://www.hawaiianswers.com/index.php?page=index_v2&id=196&c=10). It is interesting that Iwa hit the first year they started assigning them Hawaiian names, and that both major storms were 'I' storms (both names were also retired). I definitely think their origin point was a major reason they were so destructive. Note how storms in the Eastern Pacific worry us, but that their 120 m.p.h. winds generally fade before they get too close. Generally.

So your GENERALLY GUARDED THEORY is that since we've got Jova, Kenneth, Lidia and Max on our asses, we're in the clear?
Maybe because this year's I name was "Irwin." No offense to all you macho Irwin's out there. Thanks for not amounting to much.

Does anyone have a link to the Hawaiian list of 2005 hurricane names? I couldn't find it.

You know every year when the Hawaiian names come out, or the hurricanes in the Pacific parade through, I always take note of what the I name is. I guess that's part of the reason I'm happy to hear that these storms will dump rain and a substantial amount of wind in our direction.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Interesting that you should note this. I was just updating a HawaiiAnswers.com entry on Hawaiian storm names (http://www.hawaiianswers.com/index.php?page=index_v2&id=196&c=10). It is interesting that Iwa hit the first year they started assigning them Hawaiian names, and that both major storms were 'I' storms (both names were also retired). I definitely think their origin point was a major reason they were so destructive. Note how storms in the Eastern Pacific worry us, but that their 120 m.p.h. winds generally fade before they get too close. Generally.

Blending a bit of science, science fiction and religion, with a dash of kitchen witchery sprinkled in, anyone else 'sides yours truly believes that a hurricane's eye will not traverse the Big Isle? I was taught that a hurricane, regardless of classification, is nevertheless altitude-bound, and with two mountains soaring into the atmosphere, they act as buffering agents. Which is why hurricanes, like Ignacio (my fraverit hurricane name of. All. Time. Viva da Portuguess!) bounce off about 150mi from the eastern side of the isle.

In contrast, Kaua'i and O'ahu peak out at 4000ish ft above sea-level, which makes those isles eye-bait.

Now, if East Hawai'i could only get the hook up from AIG et.al. on earthquake and lava insurance....

Thoughts?

[Glen Miyashiro]

Does anyone have a link to the Hawaiian list of 2005 hurricane names? I couldn't find it.

You know every year when the Hawaiian names come out, or the hurricanes in the Pacific parade through, I always take note of what the I name is. I guess that's part of the reason I'm happy to hear that these storms will dump rain and a substantial amount of wind in our direction.PZ had it in a previous post; here it is again: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutnames.shtml. I checked the maps on the UH's yearly summaries (http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/summary.html) page and couldn't find any Hawaiian hurricanes more recent than 2002 (http://www.solar.ifa.hawaii.edu/Tropical/GifArchive/nep2002.gif). That year had Alika, Ele, and Huko. Since there haven't been any Hawaiian hurricanes since then, I guess that means the next one will be named Ioke.

[pzarquon]

Does anyone have a link to the Hawaiian list of 2005 hurricane names? I couldn't find it.I posted the list along with more Hawaii-specific trivial for the FAQ entry (http://www.hawaiianswers.com/index.php?page=index_v2&id=196&c=10) at HawaiiAnswers.com. (Oop. Thanks, Glen, for the NHC link.)

You know every year when the Hawaiian names come out, or the hurricanes in the Pacific parade through, I always take note of what the I name is.Well, as Glen noted, the last Hawaiian name to be given a storm was Huko in 2002 (and it was a busy year -- we often go years without any storms named). So, whenever we do get the next named storm forming right here in our neighborhood, it will indeed be Ioke.

Yes, another 'I' name. Be afraid...

[Glen Miyashiro]

Well, as Glen noted, the last Hawaiian name to be given a storm was Huko in 2002 (and it was a busy year -- we often go years without any storms named). So, whenever we do get the next named storm forming right here in our neighborhood, it will indeed be Ioke.

Yes, another 'I' name. Be afraid...Huko... Huko... is that the Hawaiian version of "Hugo"? :rolleyes:

And FYI, the name Ioke is the Hawaiian version of "Joyce".

Later:
For that matter, most if not all of the Hawaiian storm names on that list look like Hawaiianized versions of English names. I wonder how come they don't use Polynesian-origin Hawaiian names, like Ikaika, Kekoa, Makana, Nani, Puanani, etc.?

[Linkmeister]

Blending a bit of science, science fiction and religion, with a dash of kitchen witchery sprinkled in, anyone else 'sides yours truly believes that a hurricane's eye will not traverse the Big Isle? I was taught that a hurricane, regardless of classification, is nevertheless altitude-bound, and with two mountains soaring into the atmosphere, they act as buffering agents. Which is why hurricanes, like Ignacio (my fraverit hurricane name of. All. Time. Viva da Portuguess!) bounce off about 150mi from the eastern side of the isle.

In contrast, Kaua'i and O'ahu peak out at 4000ish ft above sea-level, which makes those isles eye-bait.

Now, if East Hawai'i could only get the hook up from AIG et.al. on earthquake and lava insurance....

Thoughts?


Part of the article I posted above discusses height as it relates to hurricane winds. It's worth a read.

[pzarquon]

Nope, it sure isn't. I am definitely going to the commissary first thing to get my water and tuna fish. Dang....thanks for the heads up about them already selling out of stuff.Storm-savvy islanders stock up on goods to be safe, not sorry (http://starbulletin.com/2005/09/20/news/story2.html)
Rosemarie Bernardo and Rod Thompson, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, September 20, 2005:
Yesterday, many Costco shoppers first headed to the rear of the store, where pallets of bottled water are kept. "It's the basic necessity of life," said Chris Kanei, a Red Hill resident who picked up five cases of bottled water for family members and friends after she heard that Costco in Waipio Gentry sold out of bottled water Sunday. "I was here 5 (minutes) to 10 a.m. That's the first thing I grabbed," Kanei said.

[Miulang]

Best way to stock up on emergency supplies is to do what Floridians and others who are used to having annual hurricanes hit their area do which is to go get the emergency supplies at the start of the hurricane season (Aug. or Sept.) no matter what. Do it at the same time every year (kinda like the daylight savings time clock change, which Hawai'i doesn't have to worry about), and then when the hurricane season passes, start using up the perishable stuff between Dec. and July so it doesn't go to waste. Then in Aug. build another emergency stash for that year's hurricane season. Then you never have to make that last minute rush to Costco only to find out the bottled water, toilet paper, Spam and rice is sold out. ;)

Miulang

[pzarquon]

Well, Jova moved west of 140°W, so monitoring has been handed off to the Central Pacific Hurricane Center (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/cphc/) here in Honolulu. Looks like their server is being hammered -- they're directing folks to UH Meteorology (http://weather.hawaii.edu/tropical/) for more information. Here's the animated infrared GOES-10 image (http://weather.hawaii.edu/satellite/still.cgi?chnl=ui4&domain=ecp&anim=yes&size=large&thumbs=on&banner=uhmet&satplat=goes10&overlay=off).

[LikaNui]

Thanks, Ryan. Like yourself, I'm monitoring this very closely as well. I think the most interesting comment in the new update was this:
"THE BIG FACTOR TO CONSIDER IN FUTURE FORECAST CYCLES IS THE AMOUNT OF SHEAR ACROSS THE FORECAST TRACK. JOVA WILL MOVE ROUGHLY PARALLEL TO THE 26C SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE ISOTHERM...SO WEAKENING WILL LIKELY NOT BE CAUSED BY COOLER SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES...AT LEAST NOT THROUGH 72 HOURS."
The lack of shear and lack of decreasing water temps are both critical factors and cause somewhat more concern than yesterday's updates. And so does this:
"JOVA IS STILL EXPECTED TO PASS NORTHWESTWARD ABOUT 350 MILES EAST OF THE BIG ISLAND...BUT MAY EVENTUALLY TAKE A MORE WESTERLY TRACK."
A more westerly track, of course, puts us more in the danger area. I also noted that NOAA's site says errors for the track have averaged near 200 nautical miles on Day 4 and 250 nautical miles on Day 5. So if it's expected to pass the Big Island by 350 miles but there could be a 250 mile error, it obviously could get within a mere 100 miles. Not good at all.
I expect only heavy rain on Thursday, Friday and Saturday; perhaps severely heavy rain. But we most definitely need to keep an eye on Jova.

[LikaNui]

Hurricane Jova is weakening and appears to be heading clear of the islands. However, the 5am report from NOAA and the Central Pacific Hurricane Center ends with this:
"A FINAL NOTE OF CAUTION...THERE IS AN OUTSIDE CHANCE THAT DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS THE INCREASING VERTICAL WIND SHEAR COULD CAUSE
THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION OF JOVA TO DECOUPLE. IN THAT CASE...THIS
WEAKENED LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION MIGHT BE CARRIED TO THE LEFT OF THIS FORECAST TRACK."
And left, of course, means a heading straight toward Hawai`i, probably at a strength just below hurricane level. We still need to be alert for a few more days.

[1stwahine]

MAMA said she no believe already. As long as she got her Korean Soap Operas and can goods. I told her not going get electricity. No worry, not going get one hurricane, not name in Hawaiian. You worry when they name one in Hawaiian! Then we hold Okole! ;)

Auntie Lynn

[Miulang]

If nothing else, the high surf will prove to be a godsend for the surfers. I hope Manoa Stream doesn't overflow its banks again, too, with all the heavy rain that's expected to hit the islands.

Miulang

[LikaNui]

If nothing else, the high surf will prove to be a godsend for the surfers. Well, we have zero wind right now and only some gentle sloping swells from the remains of Jova. Nothing surfable, especially for the women in the Na Wahine O Ke Kai race from Moloka`i to Waikiki on Sunday. No wind to cool them off, high humidity, and no waves to help them along... it's gonna be ugly.

I hope Manoa Stream doesn't overflow its banks again, too, with all the heavy rain that's expected to hit the islands. Expected? It's here right now. See the radar link in the "Wet and Wetter" thread.

[helen]

Don't want to sound like an alarmist but has anyone checked out the Central Pacific Hurricane Center's website (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/) latey about Kenneth?

While the forecast is expected to be a Tropical Depression by Saturday, it looks like it might go over the Big Island.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Don't want to sound like an alarmist but has anyone checked out the Central Pacific Hurricane Center's website (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/) latey about Kenneth?

While the forecast is expected to be a Tropical Depression by Saturday, it looks like it might go over the Big Island.Oooh (http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/cphc/tc_graphics/EP112005_errorTrack.gif). That's pretty much dead center, isn't it? I wonder why they think it's going to make a sharp westward turn. Probably something about wind directions and whatnot. Even if it's just a tropical depression, that still means lots of rain.

[LikaNui]

I wonder why they think it's going to make a sharp westward turn. Probably something about wind directions and whatnot. Even if it's just a tropical depression, that still means lots of rain. And as you probably know, it's the shearing factor that's causing Kenneth to make that sharp left turn straight toward the Big Island. Winds should only be about 30, but there's a 20mph error probability in there too, so maybe some frisky breezes with all that rain. Especially if Kenneth continues south of the rest of the islands, that should suck down stronger tradewinds.
Friday thru Sunday should be interesting.

[LikaNui]

And as you probably know, it's the shearing factor that's causing Kenneth to make that sharp left turn straight toward the Big Island. As of 5am today, Kenneth hooked right a wee bit and now is on a line above the Big Island and headed straight for Maui.

[Miulang]

As of 5am today, Kenneth hooked right a wee bit and now is on a line above the Big Island and headed straight for Maui.

Dang it! Now I gotta worry about my parents getting waterlogged! Usually the big storms miss Maui, but maybe their luck has run out. Actually, I think the only damage my parents might suffer is from a power outage because they live in Central Maui and they're not in the flood plain in Paukukalo or Waihee. Mercifully there aren't any tall coconut trees anywhere in the neighborhood, either.

Miulang

[LikaNui]

Usually the big storms miss Maui, but maybe their luck has run out. And maybe not. The 11am update from NOAA shows that Kenneth has turned hard right again and is now projected to go well north of all the islands.

[LikaNui]

And maybe not. The 11am update from NOAA shows that Kenneth has turned hard right again and is now projected to go well north of all the islands. Well, that was at 11am yesterday, but at 5am today Kenneth had once again veered south and the current predictions call for it to go straight over Maui and Oahu. Obviously, this could change. Again.
It's been changed from a Tropical Storm to a Tropical Depression; winds at 25 to 35mph. The forecast for extremely heavy rain (beginning tomorrow afternoon and running through the weekend) is still in effect.

[Sindahrella808]

All I know is..it's raining in my neck of the woods....plenty

[GypsyLika]

You know on the news/weather in Arizona dey no say nothing about hurricane in the pacific. No stay even mentioned.

~Lika ;)

[pzarquon]

Well, there isn't a hurricane in the Pacific. Er, at least not anymore, not one that's an imminent threat to Hawaii. Just get plenny rain (http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=6569&highlight=raining)!

[LikaNui]

Right, Ryan. Formerly Hurricane Kenneth, then down to Tropical Storm Kenneth and now Tropical Depression Kenneth.
And here it comes! It's 10:15am Friday, and based on the radar pictures Hilo is mere minutes away from getting slammed.
There are several official sites that I monitor which have excellent radar images, but I just found an incredible one that will be my primary site: http://www.headrock.net/WEATHERCENTRAL.htm
Check it out and let me know what you think.
Battening down the hatches here...

[Glen Miyashiro]

Wow, that's a good site. Bookmarked. Thanks!