What makes you local?

[adrian]

I don't know if this belongs here, but I'll try.

Anyways, what makes you a "local here in Hawaii"? Is it that you were born here, can speak pidgin, know how to "become local"? what?

I'm a filipino, but I feel that I have all of the cultures here (Japanese, Chinese, Haole, Hawaiian, Samoan, etc.). Plus, I can translate someone who's speaking pidgin to someone who is a tourist.

[Hanapaa]

I guess all of the above that you mentioned makes you local...or kamaaina. And that's a good thing!!! :)

[aleno]

Hi,

I agree with hanapaa. All the above. :D

[slickvic]

If you feel local, I guess you can proclaim yourself local heh heh. no once is really gonna dispute your "localness"

Of course anyone you who lives in hawai'i, and not a tourist, is techincally "local"

If you went to high school here and you live here now.
No way around it.
das automatic local. :)


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[AuntieNellieKulolo]

If you went to high school here and you live here now.
No way around it.
das automatic local. :)


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Even if you wen go Punahou???

:D

[slickvic]

Even if you wen go Punahou???

:D

hahah thats funny!

yes...even punahou student are techincally local lolz


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[Mocha]

Yes, even Punahou students are local! My kids graduated from Punahou...they can't speak pidgin like I can but then I can turn it off and on! I mentioned this before but when the kids were young they couldn't understand any pidgin! There is a place for pidgin...local or not! ;)

[Mokihana]

Even if you wen go Punahou???

:D


hahahahahahahaha!! Das one good one! :D :D

[Krash Kolohe]

To be Loco you must have
a certificate from a doctor saying you
are unbalanced, mentally unstable,
unable to perform even the most
rudimentary functions acceptable to
society...

wot?

oh....LOCAL !!

chee why neva say so, gunfunnit.

If you can speak pidgin
and den translate it ...
I would say you stay local.

"Brandon dem going...
translation:Brandon and friends have decided to leave.

Brandon dem stay going...
translation: Brandon and friends are in the process of leaving.

Brandon dem stay gone
translation: Brandon and his lolo friends are
not in the general area, officer

Brandon dem no stay
translation: Brandon and unidentified males were here but
left when I called 911, Officer Moniz.


Brandon dem when stay but dey no stay now..
translation: Brandon and his loser buddies left
skid marks in the drive way when they heard
the sirens.

Brandon dem no stay now but stay coming back.."
Translation: Brandon and the batu twins are not here now
but if you hide behind the mango tree you can catch them
when they return to the scene of the crime.


If you got that out of the pidgin...you
pretty much can say you LOCAL !!!

Note: A disclaimer- Brandon and friends are presumed
innocent until beated silly by his muddah and olda
bruddah Landon.

[Mokihana]

If you got that out of the pidgin...you
pretty much can say you LOCAL !!!




Mokihana dem from ‘Ohana Lanai wen hele to Chreads.

Mokihana dem stay heah at Chreads but no stay gone from da Lanai.

Lurkah dem no stay now but stay huli lataz. Howevah, Mokihana stay now.

[craigwatanabe]

you know you're local when you think Kau Kau is Hawaiian for eat, but it's really Chinese.

Speaking of Chinese, you know you're local when you eat the Manapua without peeling the outer layers. Watch a Chinese person eat their manapua.

Local is when you "shaka" someone with your hand as if you're shaking off some hanabutta off the pinky instead of the haolefied way with fingers pointed up.

Local is knowing not to eat the green plastic corrigated leaf in your bento

Local is knowing that you CAN eat the paper around the Japanese candy

And you know you're local is when they stop calling you Haole. :D

[hanai]

Local is saying 'shootz' interchangably for thank you & goodbye...

How about saying "Ha-va-i'i" insteadof "Hahwhyee", or is that just extra bonus points for the news anchors who always make a special point of emphasising the Hawaiian pronunciation. But its annoying when mainlanders say "HA-WHYEEEE" as 2 intoned syllables yes?

[kamlost]

shootz is for teenyboppers! I don't like the hard way of saying Hawaii. It comes across as too much.

[craigwatanabe]

Local is saying 'shootz' interchangably for thank you & goodbye...

How about saying "Ha-va-i'i" insteadof "Hahwhyee", or is that just extra bonus points for the news anchors who always make a special point of emphasising the Hawaiian pronunciation. But its annoying when mainlanders say "HA-WHYEEEE" as 2 intoned syllables yes?


Okay now you brought up the subject of using the "V" or "W" sound when pronouncing words in Hawaiian.

Apparently there word "Hawaiian" is not in the Hawaiian vocabulary so it's proper to say it with a "W" sound. But there is the word "Hawaii" in the Hawaiian language so "Hawaii" should be pronounced with the "V" sound.

Okay I know there are a few Hawaiian scholars here, what's the official take on W vs V in the Hawaiian language?

[Glen Miyashiro]

Okay now you brought up the subject of using the "V" or "W" sound when pronouncing words in Hawaiian. Okay I know there are a few Hawaiian scholars here, what's the official take on W vs V in the Hawaiian language?
The language has both. Waikīkī and Wai'anae are pronounced with a "w" sound, but 'Ewa and Hale'iwa are pronounced with a "v" sound.

[craigwatanabe]

Someone told me that if the "w" is in the middle of the word then it's a "v" sound and if the W is upfront then it's "w" as in your example.

So how would you pronounce Wahiawa? Now we would use the "v" in Waika
or Wahine but what about Waialae?

Ah to me it's Vat Ewa's :confused:

[Glen Miyashiro]

The only written guide I can find is Pukui, Elbert, & Mo'okini, who say:

After i and e, usually like v
After u and o, usually like w
Initially and after a, like v or w
Not much help, eh? All those usuallys. I just go by what sounds right, based on years of hearing the words and the language. Sometimes it's w and sometimes it's v.

In Tahitian, the v sound is the more common one. For example, they say vahine instead of wahine ("woman") and vaka instead of wa'a ("canoe"). But in Maori, it's usually w: wahine and whaka. So it's not too weird that Hawaiian might use one or the other.

And as for pronouncing Hawai'i as Ha-vai-i, sure, I guess you could. Depending on what you're saying, sometimes it sounds better with the w and sometimes it sounds better with the v. I usually pronounce it Ha-wai-i. Lots of local people these days are dropping the first i, so they're pronouncing it more like Ha-wa-i. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

[kamlost]

I've heard the Ha-wa-i version.. It's just wrong. Thus begins the murder of another "language" if I may call it that.

[hanai]

The only written guide I can find is Pukui, Elbert, & Mo'okini, who say:

Not much help, eh? All those usuallys. I just go by what sounds right, based on years of hearing the words and the language. Sometimes it's w and sometimes it's v.

In Tahitian, the v sound is the more common one. For example, they say vahine instead of wahine ("woman") and vaka instead of wa'a ("canoe"). But in Maori, it's usually w: wahine and whaka. So it's not too weird that Hawaiian might use one or the other.

And as for pronouncing Hawai'i as Ha-vai-i, sure, I guess you could. Depending on what you're saying, sometimes it sounds better with the w and sometimes it sounds better with the v. I usually pronounce it Ha-wai-i. Lots of local people these days are dropping the first i, so they're pronouncing it more like Ha-wa-i. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

Woah seems I started some controversy here :D

I think, its not that all W is V and vice versa, sometimes its okay...Wahiawa etc would sound funny with a V hehe..

In maori, Wh sometimes = F, in placenames like Whangarei Whangamata etc, . I remember reading somewhere recently (but cant find the damn link!!! doh) that Hawaiian and Maori were almost identifcal before the missionaries came, but the missionaries couldn't tell the difference between the L and R sound and so now they're all L's (aloha vs aroha, honoruru vs honolulu, etc)

Does anyone recall seeing that link?

[Glen Miyashiro]

Controversy? Nahhh. We just talking story! :p

It's a good question whether the pronunciation we consider correct today has been altered by the transcription of oral Hawaiian into Roman letters. It's possible that many Hawaiian consonants, like the r/l, t/k, and b/p sounds, may have actually been somewhere in between, and writing them down may have influenced their pronunciation by us non-native speakers.

[Linkmeister]

I wonder if you can take the titles from the Weber drawings as a hint. Remember that Weber was trying to write words from Hawaiian phonetically, and if you look at his drawings you see "Ohwyhee," which implies a "W" sound rather than a "V" sound.

[Glen Miyashiro]

Maybe. But also remember that Cook and his crew had already been to Tahiti, and their impression of the Hawaiian language may have been colored by their previous exposure to Tahitian.

[craigwatanabe]

I wonder if you can take the titles from the Weber drawings as a hint. Remember that Weber was trying to write words from Hawaiian phonetically, and if you look at his drawings you see "Ohwyhee," which implies a "W" sound rather than a "V" sound.


Here's an interesting fact surrounding the spelling of Ohwyhee. About 25-years ago while I was stationed in Mtn. Home AFB, Idaho, I had the chance to hike up the many trails in the Owahee Mountain range there.

One park ranger told me that mountain got it's name from two explorers who pointed at the mountains and asked their indian guides what the name was. One of the explorers indicated they were pointing in the direction of Hawaii. The indians repeated Hawaii in their native dialect to the explorers and it came out Owahee, so the name stuck.

When I went hiking up that mountain range, I noticed at just under the 10,000 foot level there were these plants that looked very much like our fabled Silverswords but somwhat different color blossom.

Two-decades later upon visiting the Onezuka Memorial at the 10,000 foot level of Mauna Kea, I saw the same plants I saw in Idaho on the Owahee Mountain range. I asked the curator about these plants and how much they looked like those on Haleakala. He indicated they were a close cousin and the only other place this variation of the Silversword was found in the Northwestern part of the United States.

I mentioned the story about the Owahee Mountains in Idaho and the plants found there and he told me the plants on Mauna Kea were brought over by some western explorers and he speculates that they may have been those two who inadvertantly named that Indian mountain range after Hawaii. It's quite possible the name Hawaii and the plants linked the two regions together.

Ironically if you follow the indian folklore and language up in Idaho, you'll find similarities between Hawaiian mythology and Indian folklore.

[Miulang]

We have a little town here in the southern part of WA (close to Mt. St. Helens and the WA-OR border) called Kalama that was named after a John Kalama, a kanaka who ended up here working in the mines. He married a native american woman and every year they have a big potlatch that brings together the Hawaiian and Native American ohana.

Amazing how the non-Hawaiians can mangle that name, though! ("Kah-lay-ma" is one of the best manglings...for the longest time, I never knew that the town's name was really Hawaiian!)

Miulang

[Tutulady]

Okay now you brought up the subject of using the "V" or "W" sound when pronouncing words in Hawaiian.

Apparently there word "Hawaiian" is not in the Hawaiian vocabulary so it's proper to say it with a "W" sound. But there is the word "Hawaii" in the Hawaiian language so "Hawaii" should be pronounced with the "V" sound.
Okay I know there are a few Hawaiian scholars here, what's the official take on W vs V in the Hawaiian language?Either pronounciation is correct. Both sounds are interchangable in most words of 'olelo Hawai'i. At least that's how I learned in from my tutus.

[Mocha]

Mahalo to all for the refresher course on pronunciation. We're never too old to learn and at my age I have to be constantly reminded...so keep it up :)

[KaipuaGurl]

IMHO, what makes you local, is the spirit of Aloha, respect and care for the Aina and the people who live here, the childeren of mother Hawaii.

[pzarquon]

The latest issue of Hawaii Business Magazine features a cover feature titled, "Local Style for Lo-Los (http://www.hawaiibusiness.cc/hb92004/default.cfm?articleid=1)." It's more about doing business in Hawaii than everyday life. The principles are:

No talk stink.
Dress the part.
Build relationships, then do deals.
Come hungry.
Don't confuse slow with incompetent.
Give back.
Check your ego at the airport.

[craigwatanabe]

IMHO, what makes you local, is the spirit of Aloha, respect and care for the Aina and the people who live here, the childeren of mother Hawaii.


Nah! Being local is:

1) I no kea about voting, das for dakine haoles
2) Buy my fish? Braddah I catch em!
3) Corona's? Gimme a break lolo, pass me one Mickey's
4) Shoot brah, we can go Ala Wai for 5:30 tee time, I get good connections
5) Zippy's get da bes broasted chicken plate
6) Ox Tail? Kam Bowl
7) Try wait! My Scott slippahs still wet from da beach, we go church tomorrow

8) Read? No braddah pass da papah cuz I like smash da kakaroach!
9) Yeah I like go see UH Wahine Volleyball, check out the shorts.
10) Eh Honey! No foget the Long's coupon book!
11) Sorry I no can buy your fundraiser, my boy selling chili tickets and I get plenty Entertainment books already.
12) You grad Roosevelt? Eh my girlfriend wen grad odea too!
13) Pagoda's for da reunion...again!
14) Oh no tanks I had enough salad I stay full, eh wait das spam musubi I smell?

15) I went Checkers and Pogo keiki time too!
16) Jus wait bruddah I goin make one phone call and you history!
17) Ride da bus? You kiddin?
18) Eh Bumpy...hows da homestead?
19) Oh wow get one Grand National for sale in da classifieds!
20) Junior...you like sign up for dakine little league dis year?
21) Saturday night...we goin Campbells for the Sand Drags good fun man
22) After I wen grad from Kam school I stay fireman now cuz I no pass da police test.

23) Cheap! What you tink me Kaiser?
24) Ho man da Kam swap meet was crowded today!
25) No I nevah went go to Perry and Price show.
26) Eddie went go, eh braddah, res in peace my man.

Now das local!

[drumorgan]

That was great. I almost got them all. I wen go Checkers and Pogo to when I stay keiki. I wen grab the pennies from inside tha jar.

How about this one.
You know you're local when the nerds quote Rap Reiplinger instead of Monty Python.

[craigwatanabe]

I wen bus da mayonaisse jar with all the pennies :D

And dakine Rap...Eh Russell...YOU GET PEN!!!

And: Slow down...wat you tink dis is AUTOMATION!!!!

Unsuspecting dog...little does he know...MANONG IN DA SHADOWS!!!!

Rap was da best!!! Too bad he stumbled across the pakalolo field in St. Louis park. yeah das the rumor about his death. Nobody falls down on a well-travelled hiking trail in the middle of Honolulu and dies.

To Rap...FAITH YANAGI...I LOVE YOU!!!!! bum bum bum bum!! :)

[drumorgan]

Oh, da guy was Russel. What a pes!

Confounit! I tryin for tink!

Oh, you do dat again, I goin karang yo allas.

Now, where were we? Hello?

Oh, tourists!

[GypsyLika]

Mokihana dem from ‘Ohana Lanai wen hele to Chreads.

Mokihana dem stay heah at Chreads but no stay gone from da Lanai.

Lurkah dem no stay now but stay huli lataz. Howevah, Mokihana stay now.


HALA I going telll. nah nah nah. Like make difference. Cute doe CHREADs. ;) Ok I go come stay go now cause bumbye you going stay come go hah. Can or no can? Az why hud eef peoples get all huhu reading dis kine hammajang style walaau-ing. Oh, duh ~ writing. Wotevas.
K~den I betta shuddup bumbye somebody get all pilikia.

Malama pono, all'a'y'all :D

Can take da Tita outta da islands but no can take da islands outta da Tita.

Dats a maika'i thing.

[adrian]

... you know where da kine stay.
... even when you stay wearing long sleeve, slacks, tie and nice-nice hair, tourists still ask you for directions.
... you arrive at the party at 7:30 (or later) even though the invitation said 6pm
... you can talk story with a complete stranger on the phone

[GypsyLika]

Being local is da kine:


27) HON make me plate!
28) No worry beef curry.
29) False crack medivac
30) Try try
31) Stupidhead
32) Wotchu looking at, big eye long neck.
:eek:

[craigwatanabe]

Gotta grad from one high school in Hawaii but cannot be Radford.

When someone says, "Uluwatus" you know where it is.

And you know better not to buy the stuff in the center aisle of Long's Drugs before Wednesday. If you gotta ask why, den you ain't local.

Don't buy your fresh fish from Kam Swap meet after 6am even though it's been on ice ALL DAY LONG.

Kanaka Maoli say, "Ma Uka" Locals say, "Mau Ka"

Kanaka Maoli say, "Ka Imu Ki" Locals say, "Kai Muki"

Haole say, "Catalina Islands" Locals say, Hawaii.

Know how to cook rice using the finger method (yeah that's old I know)

You say Jean Charlot, "John Charlotte" and you still don't know who it is.

You think Kau kau is Hawaiian (it's not it's chinese)

You have to mumble the words to the state anthem because you wen cut class during elementary school time and nevah learn em.

You still say, "MTL" Older locals still say, "HRT"

And finally you know you local is wen you get all mento wen someone splash Ala Wai water on you!!!!! Ahhhhhh braddah go shi shi on me! No wait das for Man O War...!!!! :D

[Pomai]

You still yell "GO BOWS!" at UH sporting events.

[craigwatanabe]

You still yell "GO BOWS!" at UH sporting events.


nah you say um from home...cuz I hate da traffic and wen dem buggahs lose you jus turn change channel and watch Mike Sakamoto catch one Ulua. :rolleyes:

[timkona]

When my daughter dances hula and tears of joy stream down my face.
When I slow down and blink my lights to let a guy take a left.
When playing music at the beach with 'da bruddahs'.
When I am patient standing in a slow line.
Anytime I am helping with the food or cooking at a get together.

[craigwatanabe]

When my daughter dances hula and tears of joy stream down my face.
When I slow down and blink my lights to let a guy take a left.
When playing music at the beach with 'da bruddahs'.
When I am patient standing in a slow line.
Anytime I am helping with the food or cooking at a get together.

Dat must be Kona Local. I neveh wen do any of dat stuff cuz I was local.

Music at da beach? Yeah C&K Kalapana, Country Comfort, Olomana, anything from Gabby.

[Leo Lakio]

When my daughter dances hula and tears of joy stream down my face.
When I slow down and blink my lights to let a guy take a left.
When playing music at the beach with 'da bruddahs'.
When I am patient standing in a slow line.
Anytime I am helping with the food or cooking at a get together.
Raising one in toast to you, Tim. (Okay, an imaginary one, because I'm still at work, but you get what I mean.)

[Pomai]

watch Mike Sakamoto catch one Ulua. :rolleyes:His show FISHING TALES lasted a long time on OC-16. Last I heard he went national with some show on ESPN or something like that.

I've heard many say they couldn't stand Harry Kojima on Let's Go Fishing, but I actually really liked him. Probably because I grew up watching that show EVERY Sunday.. even taping episodes when I was away. I liked Harry's Kitchen too (right after Let's Go Fishing).

>You know you local when you get all da' Merry Monarchs, local fishing & cooking shows and Rainbow Wahine tournament playoffs (the only one worth taping) archived on VHS (that you never ever re-watched).

[craigwatanabe]

His show FISHING TALES lasted a long time on OC-16. Last I heard he went national with some show on ESPN or something like that.

I've heard many say they couldn't stand Harry Kojima on Let's Go Fishing, but I actually really liked him. Probably because I grew up watching that show EVERY Sunday.. even taping episodes when I was away. I liked Harry's Kitchen too (right after Let's Go Fishing).

>You know you local when you get all da' Merry Monarchs, local fishing & cooking shows and Rainbow Wahine tournament playoffs (the only one worth taping) archived on VHS (that you never ever re-watched).


And no forget...whenever you or your kid does the KHON EON (End of Newscast) shaka sign...you get em on tape!!

[Martina]

Hi,

If you can speak pidgin,consider as a local.The different kinds of pidgin English have preserved the basic grammatical features of English, at the same time incorporating a number of non-English syntactical characteristics. The great majority of words in pidgin English are of English origin, but there are also Malay, Chinese, and Portuguese elements. As a result of European settlers bringing to the Caribbean area large numbers of slaves from West Africa who spoke different languages, other pidgins evolved in that region that were based on English, Portuguese, Dutch, French, and Spanish. Examples of pidgins based on non-European languages are Chinook, once used by Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest, and Lingua Gêral, based on a Native American language and used in Brazil.
:)

[Leo Lakio]

http://www.pacificislandbooks.com/pidgin~1.jpgGood lord, no...

[anapuni808]

and a big AMEN to that! No phrase books - I can just imagine it now..............some "visitor", in his Hilo Hattie matching shorts/shirt, white socks & sunburned knees, walking down the street with his book open, trying to talk to the "locals". Poor ting.

[Leo Lakio]

and a big AMEN to that! No phrase books - I can just imagine it now..............some "visitor", in his Hilo Hattie matching shorts/shirt, white socks & sunburned knees, walking down the street with his book open, trying to talk to the "locals". Poor ting."My hovercraft is full of eels."

[Bard]

"I will not buy this records, it is scratched."

[Leo Lakio]

"I will not buy this records, it is scratched.""I will not buy this tobacconist's, it is scratched."

Oh, gawd - we ARE geeks...

[tikiyaki]

Even if you wen go Punahou???

:D

hahahahahahahaha!! Das one good one! :D :D


I would say, if you understand why that is funny...You're local.

I'm not local, so I don't get it.

Locals, care to explain ?

[kimo55]

uuuhhhh.... no.

[tikiyaki]

Gee, what a friggin surpise

[kimo55]

um, no.
cuz our job ain't to answer queries like
Hey. whatchy'all talking about and why ya talk that way and whutsit mean?
this is Hawaii Threads.
You want the newbies chat room
http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/index.php
where you can say things like
those friggin people, they don't answer all my questions.

[tikiyaki]

um, no.
cuz our job ain't to answer queries like
Hey. whatchy'all talking about and why ya talk that way and whutsit mean?
this is Hawaii Threads.
You want the newbies chat room
http://www.hawaii.com/phpBB2/index.php
where you can say things like
those friggin people, they don't answer all my questions.

hee hee, Kimo, you're SO punk rock :-)

[kimo55]

yaki, ya can't expect people to splain our basic language here. i gave ya the answer ya may not wanna hear but what most would think in their heads.
HT is "let's talk story", Not "set up an HVB booth on Kalakaua".
It's like da gang hangin at happy hour. and someone comes up and sez;
"hey, what was that middle part with the strange inflection. and oh yea...why was that funny?"
jes tryin fo help you figgah da buggah outcheah!?

[cezanne]

You know you're local if you remember Bruce Carter was the original host of LGF and Hari was just his sidekick fish cutter guy from Tamashiro Market.

I've heard many say they couldn't stand Harry Kojima on Let's Go Fishing, but I actually really liked him. Probably because I grew up watching that show EVERY Sunday.. even taping episodes when I was away. I liked Harry's Kitchen too (right after Let's Go Fishing).

[oceanpacific]

You remove your footware (shoes/slippahs/sneakers/tabis/getas, etc. when you enter a private home, even if it's a haole house.

[tikiyaki]

yaki, ya can't expect people to splain our basic language here. i gave ya the answer ya may not wanna hear but what most would think in their heads.
HT is "let's talk story", Not "set up an HVB booth on Kalakaua".
It's like da gang hangin at happy hour. and someone comes up and sez;
"hey, what was that middle part with the strange inflection. and oh yea...why was that funny?"
jes tryin fo help you figgah da buggah outcheah!?

Well, it wasn't really a question about inflection or Pidgin, more about the School part....

as quoted by Mocha
"Yes, even Punahou students are local! My kids graduated from Punahou...they can't speak pidgin like I can but then I can turn it off and on! I mentioned this before but when the kids were young they couldn't understand any pidgin! There is a place for pidgin...local or not!"

No desire to learn Pidgin, have enough trouble with english. :-)

[kimo55]

You remove your footware when you enter a private home,
and even cringe when ya see steveo, danno and the boys (in h50) tromp into homes without removing their shoes.
or see character players in each ep. running in and out of their home without removeing da slippahz.
ugh. lends a very unreal feel to it.

[craigwatanabe]

I can but then I can turn it off and on! I mentioned this before but when the kids were young they couldn't understand any pidgin! There is a place for pidgin...local or not!"

No desire to learn Pidgin, have enough trouble with english. :-)

That brings up a great new thread...do you turn your pidgin off and then on or on and then off. Off and On or On and Off.

For me it's normally On then Off. :)

I think that would help define what makes you local.

[Leo Lakio]

That brings up a great new thread...do you turn your pidgin off and then on or on and then off. Off and On or On and Off.

For me it's normally On then Off. :)

I think that would help define what makes you local.The AF from K (do I even need to define her any more than that?) only turns pidgin on when she's "interacting" with other locals - I hear it when she talks with her folks on the phone! The rest of the time, mostly off.

For me - never installed, so never could be "on" (unless it's an intentionally humorous "haole pidgin." Spoken very crisply: "What --- bother you?")

[kimo55]

Spoken very crisply: "What --- bother you?")
aaaggh! finganayows on chokbwahd.

[craigwatanabe]

The AF from K (do I even need to define her any more than that?) only turns pidgin on when she's "interacting" with other locals - I hear it when she talks with her folks on the phone! The rest of the time, mostly off.

For me - never installed, so never could be "on" (unless it's an intentionally humorous "haole pidgin." Spoken very crisply: "What --- bother you?")


Maybe with all the changes in pidgin as each generation adopts and modifies it we should develop a version number like Pidgin v.1.0 and see how far the upgrades go.

[Leo Lakio]

aaaggh! finganayows on chokbwahd.Exactly --- "Why, YES, as a matter of fact - I DO like beef!" *POW!*

[craigwatanabe]

Exactly --- "Why, YES, as a matter of fact - I DO like beef!" *POW!*


and just your luck you try pick fight with one vegetarian..."Why no I don't like beef actually"

[lurkah]

aaaggh! finganayows on chokbwahd.
Hey bra, don't make like that.

[Pua'i Mana'o]

That brings up a great new thread...do you turn your pidgin off and then on or on and then off. Off and On or On and Off.

For me it's normally On then Off. :)

I think that would help define what makes you local.

This is a good segue topic.

I interchange the two so much that I find myself at that "too late" point to switch (depending on company and situation). For example:

--helping my kids with their homework and realizing that I had been explaining through pidgin, and catch that fact after s/he mimics me. This happens far too often helping with algebra and geometry. (no foget how fo foil? First derms outah derms inna derms las-derms! Dat is in da proof column and dis is da dearem column cause you gotta prove why!) It doesn't help the kids that Ma kept all of her college text books, including the calculus ones....oh how I wait to bang out derivatives witdem!

My Ts come out somewhere between a T/D sound.

Thinking about this example I just shared, I am musing why: except for one college math professor, all of my math teachers were local Japanese, as were most of my K-12 school teachers. Articulation came at a rapid clip with them, so I never considered that their intellectual abilities were marred by their pidgin, because these were *math* teachers, and adept at what they taught.

When reading aloud through English, I still revert to some of those skills taught through HEP (anyone remember this? Affixes, IL readers-up to level 25!, SRAs, etc). Drill and kill. Phonics-based. I still break down my words according to prefix, root, suffix, tense. Sometimes this can annoy my company, because if the conversation is through pidgin (or Hawaiian) and there I go hyper-enunciating, I find myself getting teased.

...getting off track...

[oceanpacific]

RE: "What ..... Bother you?"

A bunch of us were listening to Artie Wilson on the Leahey and Leahey radio gig sometime last year when Jim Leahey asked Artie how he has adapted to the "local way" after more than 3-1/2 decades. Artie's been here since 1970 as a UH basketball player, local businessman, and married a local girl. He replied that he's picked up the local language and offered: "WHAT .... BOTHER YOU?"

In unison, we screamed: "NO, NO, NO, ARTIE! ASS TOO HAOLE! IT'S WAT .... BODDAH YOU?"

[Erika Engle]

Rap was da best!!! Too bad he stumbled across the pakalolo field in St. Louis park. yeah das the rumor about his death. Nobody falls down on a well-travelled hiking trail in the middle of Honolulu and dies.

I didn't hear that rumor ... but I was in the K59 newsroom when I heard the call on the scanner when Rap's body was discovered -- just off Aloha Oe Drive in Maunawili. Of course they didn't identify him on the scanner, but it did turn out to be him.

IIRC his death was later ruled a suicide -- and yes, drugs were found in his system. Maybe an overdose, too? Most of us were only exposed to the brilliant and funny part of him -- and we should remember him that way.

[cezanne]

Rap, Billy Kaui, Robert Beaumont...

what a waste of talent. :(

[Leo Lakio]

Rap, Billy Kaui, Robert Beaumont...

what a waste of talent. :(Mackie Feary...

[Mike_Lowery]

I'm also Filipino, born and raised here, never lived out of state. Been to the mainland on business and vacation on a few occasions. BUT...I don't really consider myself "local." Somehow along the way, I've become to feel too Filipino to be local. I dunno...seems like "local" is a completely different culture from the one I'm associated with.

[Mike_Lowery]

Mackie Feary...
co-sign. he died too young.

[kimo55]

he died cuz he co signed for something?!

[craigwatanabe]

he died cuz he co signed for something?!


I would too with today's mortgages.

But good old Mackey Feary, seemed he couldn't write a song without being stoned, like Lost Again. That one had a feel good beat to it. So what Kimo did you listen to the CD I sent you with the Kalapana interview with Mackey and RJ?

[kimo55]

yea mahalos fo dat and i thot i put it up on youtube. if not yet, i am working on it.

[Menehune Man]

What makes you local?

Paying Hawai'i State taxes. That's about as local as you can get for any location, paying taxes for that particular area.

[manoasurfer123]

What makes you local?

Paying Hawai'i State taxes. That's about as local as you can get for any location, paying taxes for that particular area.
I gotta disagree Mene...

I know plenty locals who don't pay taxes causes they no mo money and no mo job!

[Menehune Man]

I know plenty locals who don't pay taxes causes they no mo money and no mo job!

There are so many directions that I could go with this, but have decided to just say... okay.

[manoasurfer123]

There are so many directions that I could go with this, but have decided to just say... okay.
go with it mene... I could have... but I'm trying to keep things simple these days!
I get misunderstood too much. :mad: