Ultimate Fighting & MMA

[manoasurfer123]

I can't get enough of Ultimate Fighting.... I haven't ever paid for a ticket or pay per view... however, I think all of us guys are just loving this insurgence of Ultimate Fighting.

Has anyone noticed how much coverage Spike TV has been giving time to Ultimate fighting?

Today, they mentioned B.J. Penn out of Hilo.

Also out of Hilo, Cabbage will be Fighting Butterbean in the next Rumble on the Rock.

This new fad sure beats the scripted "Pro" Wrestling that has been around for sometime.

And less yet... the sportsmanship between two people that have just beat the crap out of eachother just amazes me...

Anyother thoughts on Ultimate Fighting?

Some say it's violent... I say it's controlled and less violent than boxing.... I must say why for that matter.... An opponent is allowed to tap out...and that is not a disgrace... however in boxing...if an opponent were to quit..it would be a disgrace...therefore they continue to fight eachother until they have brain damage...Well at least in the long run....

A standing 8 count allows a Boxer to retain his thoughts and stand up again so that his brain will be pummeled again... up to 3 times in one round less yet... compare that to Ultimate fighting....

One Knockdown/Knockout/tap-out/etc...the ref steps in and the match is over.... much more technical and less luck with the lucky swing in my oppinion also.

Thoughts???

[newroots]

yeah.. mixed martial arts is really fun. its sports at its rawest. on guam.... it got pretty big over the years. but , of course , its not on the same level as hawai'i.. guam has yet to produce a fighter to enter ufc or any other thing like that.. theres local mma tournaments like , pacific xtreme combat , and fury. its pretty cool. cabbage corriera fought manny chong. cabbage beat him by referee stoppage.

[manoasurfer123]

Just noticed another local boy on Television

Kendall Grove is a competitor on the next UFC reality show.

Anyone got any scoops on him...

and please use the spoiler tags.

[manoasurfer123]

Interesting quote from a Haole boy on the show...

"Kendall is a crazy kid from Hawaii"

[kealiinaauao]

Kendall had a fight and represented Hawaii well by beating a fighter from the UK. Kendall was pretty impressive. I was surprised not at his win, but at how smart he fought. His opponent didn't know how to take kendall down. I think the UK fighter thought that Kendall would be scared out of his boots once he started punching and kicking. But much to his disappointment, it didn't affect Kendall at all.

Nice Win!!

[champ18]

Kendall just won a fight against a guy from british columbia because he broke his ribs.i think that he is called spider for a reason and he really proved it thursday night during the fight.i also think that he is going to be hawaiis next star there is no way that anyone can beat his reach its 7.5''8 thats crazy.in the finals i think it is going to be him and ed.eds a crazy guy from britian.and kendall is the crazy hawaiian....so that will be very interesting....

[kealiinaauao]

I agree. Kendall has a long reach and I'm cheering him on this saturday. Ed Herman is a pure grappler. He doesn't have much in the stand up game. I think that's where Kendall needs to focus. Kendall has a decent stand up game to keep out of reach of his takedown attempts. I think Kendall also hits hard, not hard for a knock out, but hard enough that Ross and Kalib didn't want to strike with him long.

I say lots of Kicks, Knees, Jabs and uppercuts will win this one for Kendall. If Ed gets on the ground, Kendall still has a decent ground game to stay alive. Go Kendall!! :) :D

[Paul Ogata]

Congratulations to local boy Kendall Grove!

The Maui fighter just scored himself a 6-figure contract with the UFC, and the title of Ultimate Fighter. Kendall got the decision after 3 action-packed rounds in Las Vegas tonight.

Way to represent the Aloha State and the Valley Isle!

Plus, if you were following the show this season, Falaniko Vitale and Wesley "Cabbage" Correira got plenty of screen-time as well. Their huge posters were on the walls of the UFC training facility and were hard to miss.

Exciting fight, too. If you missed it, look for a replay if possible.

[1stwahine]

I don't like Boxing or any Contact Sport! I have my reasons.

Many amateur and professional fighters past, present and future are only a punch away from death or major disability due to brain injury. Also, the contionous blows to the head makes them a primary candidate to brain diseases.

"The American Association of Neurological Surgeons say that 90% of boxers sustain a brain injury."

"Being hit on the head can cause fractures to the bone of the head and face and tissue damage in the brain. A blow can damage the surface of the brain, tear nerve networks, cause lesions, bleeding and sometimes produce large clots within the brain." http://menshealth.about.com/od/fitness/a/boxing.htm

From http://www.parkinson.org/site/pp.asp?c=9dJFJLPwB&b=164717

Boxing and The Brain

"In his article Dr. Ira Casson a prominent New York neurologist and an expert on boxing discusses boxing and Parkinson disease. There's been much interest in this because of Muhammad Ali. The following can be said: It's uncertain if there's a relationship between Ali's Parkinson and boxing. Boxing when it causes brain damage results in an Alzheimer like disease This is not what Ali has. Ali's mind is sharp. It's rare for boxing to result in only Parkinson disease. And most boxers do not develop Alzheimer or Parkinson. George Foreman is on television doing a fine job selling his grill. And he fought longer and took more blows than Ali."

Nope. No congratulations from me tonight or any other night to any Boxer from Hawai'i or anywhere else in the World.

Auntie Lynn

[manoasurfer123]

shouldn't this have been merged with my first post before he won???

Didn't Manoa call it before tonight?
I don't like Boxing. I have my reasons.
Auntie... ufc is not Boxing...it's Mixed Martial Arts...

And the referee attempts to step in most of the time before brain damage can be inflicted....fyi

[1stwahine]

Auntie... ufc is not Boxing...it's Mixed Martial Arts...

And the referee attempts to step in most of the time before brain damage can be inflicted....fyi

Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind. :rolleyes:

Most of the time? Plzzzzzzzzz.

Auntie Lynn

[LikaNui]

Attaboy, Kendall! Loved seeing all the Hawaiian flags in his corner and in the crowd. The match was close, but I think the decision was right.
The whole night was good. But now... waiting for July 8! If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Tito Ortiz and Tim Silva. Whatcha think?

[nachodaddy]

"Da Spider" representing!!!!! Well done. Another redhead from Team Quest forced to reevaluate his game. I like Kendall's humility and the respect he showed after the fight. It looks like he is going be Tito's protege'. He has a playful side but he also has a deadly serious side. Nice balance.

Auntie, they use 4 oz. gloves which at first seems barbaric but the damage is seen immediately (acutely) and not allowed to pile up which some say can be correlated to Parkinson's disease.

Paul, where is BJ's picture? LOL :)

[manoasurfer123]

Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind. :rolleyes:

Most of the time? Plzzzzzzzzz.

Auntie Lynn
and knocking people out in Chinatown when they when irk you is any better?

j/k

[tutusue]

Manoa, the last I heard...Mixed Martial Arts is a Contact Sport! Making it the worse of the it's kind. :rolleyes:[...]
Auntie...this is a testosterone laden thread. The guys love this stuff! <heeeyaaa...thump...whack!> Maybe LeiKaina can start a new thread about her birth experience <hehewho...hehewho> and post some baby photos <ho, da cute!>...for the estrogen-laden crowd! :D

[1stwahine]

and knocking people out in Chinatown when they when irk you is any better?

j/k

Das a completely different situation. I knock out people as a Community Service! It doesn't go ten rounds either. :rolleyes:

Further more...I've have yet to be knocked out - by someone myself! The streets and ring are apples and oranges. One you get paid. The other you don't.

For amateurs in both divisions it is a great risk. Like I always say, "I might be pUpUle but I not DUMB!" ;)

No sense in explaining why I dislike Boxing or any contact sport. It was already done in another thread. :(

Auntie Lynn

[1stwahine]

Auntie...this is a testosterone laden thread. The guys love this stuff! <heeeyaaa...thump...whack!> Maybe LeiKaina can start a new thread about her birth experience <hehewho...hehewho> and post some baby photos <ho, da cute!>...for the estrogen-laden crowd! :D

oK. oK. I leave it alone. :)

It just makes me angry and brings back too much memories. As you are aware...my late husband was a Former Boxing Champ. He died of Lou Gerigh's Disease at the age of forty-seven. :(

I miss him so much.

Auntie Lynn

P.S. My apologies guys. Carry on. :o

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Christy-Lynn being held up. Me and Boy on our 13th Wedding Anniversary Celebration in Tagum Davao del Norte, Philippines. We were married 20 years. We would have made 30 years September 13, 2006. :(

[tutusue]

[...]We were married 20 years. We would have made 30 years September 13, 2006. :(
Great photos, Auntie. Thanks for sharing. I did realize you had a vested interest in this thread. I grew up with my dad watching Monday night boxing every week...he was a huge boxing fan. I had to give up 'I Love Lucy' in our one TV household! The 2 shows were on simultaneously. I've never understood boxing, super brawls, etc. Way too much physical destruction goes on. Just look at Mohammad Ali. But, still, the guys love it so no harm in them discussing it.

BTW...my anniversary was also Sept. 13! ;)

[1stwahine]

BTW...my anniversary was also Sept. 13! ;)

I knew there was something about you. It was ment the Tapa be given to you. It was a gift to my late husband and I. ;)

Auntie Lynn :D

[nachodaddy]

Auntie;

I understand now. No more MMA posts from me.

[1stwahine]

Auntie;

I understand now. No more MMA posts from me.

Nachodaddy, Like Tutusue said, "this is a testosterone laden thread." It is I, who is apologizing to you and the other gentlemen. My husband loved the sport as you all do.

Please carry on. ;)

Auntie Lynn :D

[kealiinaauao]

We all choose our own paths to make a living or to make life better.

Congradulations to 'Da Spyder' from Maui, Kendall Grove!! I was cheering him on. He should go far with Team Punishment. But, he needs to learn to use his size and his reach. Kendall's good on the ground, but going against someone who is just as good, and with no stand up, he could have had a more decisive victory.

But it's a good win.

[kealiinaauao]

I stay on the mainland (Utah Specifically) and I was interested (spectator only) in mixed martial arts ever since I saw this skinny dude (Royce Gracie) take down Kimo. Little did I know that the skinny dude would start a trend of Ground fighting like Bruce Lee did with his Intercepting Fist.

As to the morality of hand to hand combat, well, it's a choice that these fighters make and a lifestyle that they have accepted, risks and all. Fist and Kick fighting is very damaging, that's a fact. But, what also changes mixed martial arts is the submission fighting; which in my opinion is not nearly as damaging as a boxing contest (as mentioned in the previous post). The safety and health of the fighters in mixed martial arts falls on the Referee. Big John McCarthy, referee of the UFC, actually commented that in the early days of the UFC, he wished that he could stop fights to prevent long term or permanent injury to some of the fighters (http://www.knucklepit.com/mixed-martial-arts-john_mccarthy.htm). Now in Pride and UFC Mixed Martial Arts fighting the referees do stop the fight once the fighters are KO'd or doing the 'chicken dance.' Which I think is better then the REF counting to 10 and giving the boxer an opportunity to continue fighting. Once the dude is KO'd or dazed, the REF stops the fight to prevent further injury. That's what I like about MMA. I know fighters possess a 'no surrender' attitude, but there's always a next time to get that guy back. Anyways, that's my thoughts on the issue. So MMA to me is way safer (I know, this could be argued) than boxing.

Now thoughts about MMA from a spectator view point. Every day I go to work, exercise, spend time with the wife and kids. Watching MMA (especially UFC) gives me an escape from myself and to enjoy 2 trained 'gladiators' of our day. I could never do that kind of stuff, but I like to watch it and I have get enjoyment from watching. Watching MMA also motivates me to stay on my diet program and exercise, since I have a tendency to overeat (thanks kanak attack -- nah, jus joke). In fact, MMA actually got me started on exercise and dieting. I lost 30 pounds in 2 to 3 months and am very pleased with the results. So, it's definitely an escape for me and a motivating factor for my life. When it’s over, I go back to my mild mannered self.

Well, that's my thoughts. Thanks Manoa for the oppportunity to wala'au. What do u think about what I posted here? I'll be interested to hear your views.

[sinjin]

...I was interested (spectator only) in mixed martial arts ever since I saw this skinny dude (Royce Gracie) take down Kimo. Little did I know that the skinny dude would start a trend of Ground fighting like Bruce Lee did with his Intercepting Fist.
Man, that was something. Felt bad for Kimo that day but it wasn't just Kimo that Gracie neutralized in those early UFC's. Nobody could handle him.

[LikaNui]

I'm still curious who you guys are picking for July 8.
I say Tito will beat Ken Shamrock and Tim Silva will beat Arlovsky.
Whatcha think?

[manoasurfer123]

With the training regimes shown on the last UFC...

I would have to say TITO will hurt Shamrock... Especially with the
so called hatred between them.

I've also got Silva beating Arlovsky

[nachodaddy]

Tito cuz Shamrock really wanted the yellow car. :)

Arlovsky cuz he won't make the same mistakes twice.

Jens Pulver is back, who wants a rematch between him and BJ at 155? 170 I say BJ. 155, this would be a heck of a fight. I heard Jens is doing a lot of work in Hawaii as well, GF is from Kauai.

[kealiinaauao]

Tito is gonna put the hurt on Shamrock. Tito just has more skills, longer reach, strong stand-up, and has great ground skills. Shamrock has good leg locks and some what of a good stand up :rolleyes: , but he can't keep up with Tito. Shamrock was good back in the old days, but his time is definitely over. In the last 5 fights that Shamrock had, he lost all of them except one. I don't even know why they put Shamrock in the UFC Hall of Fame. In my opinion, I think it was more of a pity recognition.

Now the induction of Randy Couture was definitely well deserved. He's had some major accomplishments and defeated several big name dudes. So it's natural that "The Natural" get's inducted, definitely a Hall of Famer competitor. :D

As for Arlovski and Silvia, I definitely think Arlovski is going to win this fight :cool: . I think Arlovski learned from his last fight to be patient and not to just go charging in blind. What I think we’ll see is a huge overhand right that knocked out Silvia the last 2 fights and then we’ll probably see Arlovski either apply another leg lock, or let Silvia Stand up again so Arlovski can hit him again with that same right. The last fight, I think Arlovski helped Silvia knock him out. If you watch the fight, Arlovski went into Silvia’s right hand. More than anything Arlovski got to overanxious when he knocked Silvia out.

As for Team Dagger, I think Kendall’s the only one holding up his end :confused: . ‘nuff said. :) :D

[molokai]

the husband and I love watching the UFC fights. I can't handle watching the first two rounds though, because I just wanna see who wins! I was cheering like mad when Kendall won on saturday. came to work and announced it in sales meeting!

BTW, I'll take Ortiz for the win anytime. Shamrock's a wuss in my opinion. I just wanna see Ortiz shut him up so I don't have to hear Herman saying, "he didn't pick me" anymore.

[champ18]

wow did you see the ultimate fighting finale between ed herman and kendall grove?omg it was crazyness..kendall ws in atleast to arm bar submissions...and got out of them..hes hawaiian and hes strong...but what kinda ticked me off was that kendall won to a split decision but dana white gave a ed a contract to.kendall was not happy...but we gotta give it up to our fellow hawaiian...KENDALL GROVE

[nachodaddy]

WE might have a little controversy with Kendall's nickname. Anderson Silva is also called "the spider". Silva's looked very good against Leben.

How about a fight and the winner gets the nickname?

['i'iwipolena]

I have to give proper respect to Kendall Groves. He really represented the home state, wrapping himself in the Hawaiian flag. After his fight with Ed I got choked up. Honestly, I didn't expect Dana to give Ed a contract, too, after Kendall was announced the winner. It was amazing. Additionally, something I found extremely heart warming was how Matt Hamil beat the living crap out of that other guy. It doesn't matter that Matt is deaf; that guy is a crazy fighter.

I think that when Tito and Shamrock face off, Tito is going to win. I hate Tito's attitude, but he's still the better fighter, and he trained Kendall, so Tito's got my respect.

[LikaNui]

Exactly one week (from the moment I'm writing this) and the fights are ON!

[Palolo Joe]

FYI... the PPV starts at 10 p.m. ET, 7 p.m. PT.

Or, 4 p.m. out here in paradise.

Anyone else going to ESG to watch?

[LikaNui]

Good article about Kendall Grove here in today's Advertiser (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060702/SPORTS24/607020363/1213/SPORTS).

[LikaNui]

4 p.m. out here in paradise. You sure? Started at 6pm last time. Let's double-check...

[Palolo Joe]

You sure? Started at 6pm last time. Let's double-check...
Go ahead... I'll wait.

But just in case:

http://wwworigin.ufc.tv/ufc61/

[LikaNui]

Go ahead... I'll wait.Wow, no need to get snippy, brah. Especially on your first day back on HT.
Please note that I said "Let's double-check" since it was at 6pm last time. I said "let's", not "why don't you" or some other personal dig. I was trying to be nice, and first thing you do is take offense.
Sheesh.
:mad:

[Palolo Joe]

That's you trying to be nice? Yeah, okay. If you say so.

Brah, I ain't being snippy. And it's not my first day back. That was yesterday.

Did you bother to click that link? Did you bother to see that the PPV starts at 4 p.m. out here?

I just think it would suck to settle down at 6 p.m. to watch the fights, and find out you missed two hours of the PPV.

Just trying to help clarify things. You're welcome.

[MadAzza]

Helen, hand me some of that popcorn. Extra salt.

Thanks!

[manoasurfer123]

This supposed to on Ultimate Fighting...

Not Ultimate Threading :p

Otherwise we turn Kendall lose on you guys :eek:

[kealiinaauao]

That was a nice article written about Kendall in the newspaper. I was actually looking for recognition by the newspaper. Quick question to anyone, where's BJ Penn? He fought in the UFC 58, but I don't know where he went. Is he fighting sometime this year? :confused:

Even though I'm a huge Tito fan :D , Shamrock isn't a jerk. He just wants a little respect. Not to be flipped off and rude comments and stuff. I don't think that's too hard for Tito to do, but I wonder if Tito will think that is a sign of weakness. Oh well, it's going to be a good fight. :cool:

[kealiinaauao]

Just to stick my 'ihu in other people's kuleana :rolleyes: , but I think the fight in hawaii starts at 4pm saturday. Reason is, I live on Mountain standard time, and we are 1 hour ahead of vegas, and 2 hours behind eastern time. Which in relation, Mountain time is 4 hours ahead of Hawaii time. So the fight starts at 10pm EST/ 8pm MST/ 7pm PST and 4pm HST. Now that's assuming there's no time delay in broadcast to hawaii, which then everything goes out the window. :p

I hope that makes the dirty water less mirky...heh. ;)

[LikaNui]

4pm HST. Now that's assuming there's no time delay in broadcast to hawaii That's what I was wondering last week too, since the UFC 60 started at 6pm. But we've already determined that UFC 61 does start at 4pm.
The first hour will probably be the promo that aired last week. (yawn)

[nachodaddy]

Dana White announces Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva in November to be held after the Liddell-Babalu bout next month.

Thoughts?????

[Pua'i Mana'o]

nothing except to say that those names sound like a new tract home subdivision off of Kapolei and its sleazy developer.

[manoasurfer123]

Neither fights have someone local...

no care...

I like see Kainoa McGee vs. BJ Penn

And Kala Alexander vs. Kendall Grove

after seeing that surfing video...

Then they see what MMA is about!

[manoasurfer123]

Many people don't realize still yet that Hilo boy BJ Penn took out Matt Hughes
to win the title before the show Ultimate Fighter even came on the air...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajXptf21IUc

[kealiinaauao]

I'm not so sure about this UFC 61. The fight I thought would go the distance didn't, and the fight I thought would end in a KO in the 1st round, went the distance. :confused:

I felt a little cheated :mad: , but I guess, that's how it goes. I'm happy about the Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddell fight in November. That's going to be really good. But the excitement of that fight was poorly announced because everyone was still pissed about the Tito Shamrock 'hugging' match. :rolleyes:

Oh well, any thoughts?

[manoasurfer123]

That was a nice article written about Kendall in the newspaper. I was actually looking for recognition by the newspaper. Quick question to anyone, where's BJ Penn? He fought in the UFC 58, but I don't know where he went. Is he fighting sometime this year? :confused:

Even though I'm a huge Tito fan :D , Shamrock isn't a jerk. He just wants a little respect. Not to be flipped off and rude comments and stuff. I don't think that's too hard for Tito to do, but I wonder if Tito will think that is a sign of weakness. Oh well, it's going to be a good fight. :cool:


BJ Penn at his best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajXptf21IUc

[kealiinaauao]

BJ Penn at his best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajXptf21IUc


Yah, I caught that one, good fight. :D

But then BJ lost to St. Pierre in USA vs Canada. I was wondering like what he was doing this year. :confused:

Also, I was just thinking... it's all Ken's fault for not defending those elbows. :mad:

[LikaNui]

Overall, pretty darned boring night.
I think Herb Dean stopped Ortiz-Shamrock too early. Maybe not by much, but still. I don't think John McCarthy would've stopped it so fast.
And I think we can certainly expect to see Ortiz-Shamrock III, probably before the year is out.
Wish they would've aired the post-fight interviews, too. I would've loved to have heard what Shamrock had to say. :p
Sylvia-Arlovsky almost put me to sleep. Boring as hell. Don't know why Arlovsky didn't try to take Sylvia to the mat.
Yep, boring evening.

[nachodaddy]

Forgive the broken English. Wandy is Brazilian.

http://videos.gabcity.com/UFC61-Announcement.aspx

Wandy highlight

http://www.fight-clip.com/video/wandysilvahlmac.wmv

Liddell is toast.......

[nachodaddy]

Disappointing PPV to say the least, but I gotta think Dean just saw the Stevenson/Edwards fight before with all the blood leaking out so he called it a little tighter. I agree it was a premature stoppage.

AA needed to step it up if he wanted to displace the champion. Silvia is a freak of nature but I think AA should have tried harder to bring the fight to the ground.

[manoasurfer123]

what the heck..you teasing me......results???

Not all of us watched?

[nachodaddy]

what the heck..you teading me......results???

Not all of us watched?


who you talking to Manoa?

[manoasurfer123]

never mind...

I'm in my "state of confusion"

Manoa

[manoasurfer123]

I'm still curious who you guys are picking for July 8.
I say Tito will beat Ken Shamrock and Tim Silva will beat Arlovsky.
Whatcha think?


after going back through this thread... only Lika and myself guessed right on these two fights :p

Sylvia Outlasts Arlovski; Ortiz Gets Quick Win over Shamrock

http://www.ufc.com/

[Pua'i Mana'o]

Many people don't realize still yet that Hilo boy BJ Penn took out Matt Hughes
to win the title before the show Ultimate Fighter even came on the air...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajXptf21IUc

that kid is the Scrappy Doo of Hilo. BJ isn't very intimidating to look at, but he sure is a quick lil' sh*t.

[manoasurfer123]

Here's the Ortiz Shamrock fight... all 2 minutes of it...UFC61

Shamrock needs to retire.... Last year :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GojZtWxw2-4

[LikaNui]

only Lika and myself guessed right on these two fights Great! What do we win?
I picked Royce Gracie to lose UFC 60, too, so I earn extra prizes. :p
And by the way, did anyone else notice our Maui boy Kendall Grove in Tito's corner last night?

[manoasurfer123]

Yah, I caught that one, good fight. :D

But then BJ lost to St. Pierre in USA vs Canada. I was wondering like what he was doing this year. :confused:

Also, I was just thinking... it's all Ken's fault for not defending those elbows. :mad:
Title: BJ Penn Seminar
Description: BJ Penn Seminar will be held on July 8, 2006 in Eugene, Oregon... More information on this will be posted soon.


Is this recent enough?

www.bjpenn.com

[kealiinaauao]

Title: BJ Penn Seminar
Description: BJ Penn Seminar will be held on July 8, 2006 in Eugene, Oregon... More information on this will be posted soon.


Is this recent enough?

www.bjpenn.com

PERFECT!! THANK YOU!!! and, thanks for the URL, I have it bookmarked now.

Title: Re: Kendall Grove & Ultimate Fighting
Overall, pretty darned boring night.
I think Herb Dean stopped Ortiz-Shamrock too early. Maybe not by much, but still. I don't think John McCarthy would've stopped it so fast.
And I think we can certainly expect to see Ortiz-Shamrock III, probably before the year is out.

I agree, I think John Mccarthy would have waited before stopping the fight. But it's not Herb Dean's fault, if you watch the playback, Ken isn't defending himself. Tito had 5 unanswered shots and Ken didn't look like he was defending at all. Even if Herb Dean let Tito hit him 3 or 4 more times, Ken still wouldn't have done anything. :(

So I blame Shamrock for the short lived fight. :mad: If he wanted the fight to continue, BLOCK TITO'S ELBOWS!! :eek:

[pttymcgee]

Does anyone know where in Maui Kendall is from?

[kealiinaauao]

Does anyone know where in Maui Kendall is from?

Kendall hails from Wailuku, Maui.

[Leo Lakio]

Two UFC articles in today's Seattle Post-Intelligencer (first one is a profile of Chris Leben, from this area) -
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/278952_leben27.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/278963_ufc27.html

[nachodaddy]

Reported last week in the normal channels. Did not make it here so I am posting it.

Georges St. Pierre's "Rush" to recovery from a severe groin pull will not happen fast enough to rematch UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes on September 23, the UFC announced on its Web site Wednesday afternoon.

Filling the vacated slot to face Hughes is the only man to beat the champion mixed martial artist since March 2001: Hawaii's B.J. Penn

Now, before everyone starts hugging on BJ's privates, if he goes into this match like he did with GSP, he will lose, again. BJ needs to adopt a sense of urgency and attack better on the ground or Hughes will overpower him. Hughe's standup is suspect, what he does on the ground is not.

Right here, right now, Hughes has the belt, regardless of what has transpired in the past. BJ has to demonstrate, without a doubt, enough action to take it away from Hughes. Total beatdown or submission from BJ. I don't think BJ can knock Hughes out.

Thoughts?????

[LocoBoy]

*runs to hug on BJ's private parts* :p , Gotta go wit da loco boy on dis one :D . I'm hoping there was a lesson learned from the GSP bout and that the pychological factor of losing plays on Hughes mind just enough for the "prodigy" to re-apply the rear naked choke :) .

[manoasurfer123]

Hate to say this... but I think Hughes will take Big Island bad boy BJ Penn out.

[nachodaddy]

*runs to hug on BJ's private parts* :p , Gotta go wit da loco boy on dis one :D . I'm hoping there was a lesson learned from the GSP bout and that the pychological factor of losing plays on Hughes mind just enough for the "prodigy" to re-apply the rear naked choke :) .

Trigg could not finish with a RNC it and it was sunk deep............BJ has smaller arms though........he can get it deeper.

Cardio is gonna be big part since this will be going five. Penn looked gassed after three with GSP.

"Loco Moco" versus "Country Breakfast"

Hooters here I come!!!!!

[Palolo Joe]

Thoughts?????
Time for BJ to reclaim his rightful place atop the UFC's welterweight division.

I think he learned a lot for the St. Pierre fight and will be ready later this month.

And it's gonna be on FREE TV! Even better! :D

[LikaNui]

Saw the Penn/St. Pierre fight on Spike-TV last night. Penn clearly won the first round, lost the second, and tied the third. St. Pierre squeaked away with the decision.
Agree that Hughes will beat Penn, unless Penn gets lucky.

[kealiinaauao]

BJ has heavy hands and can deliver devastating strikes. Let's not forget what he did to GSP's face. BJ has also beaten Gomi (Pride's LightWeight champion) who has also great standup. BJ has never lost due to KO, TKO, or submission. Hughes has no stand-up, and I don't care what Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan say, he's not in the same league as BJ. On there last fight, BJ rocked Hughes with a sudden strike when Hughes was on the ground (if you've seen it, you know what I mean). Once Hughes felt that punch, he didn't want to stay on the ground anymore, so he tried to stand up and gave his back. Meaning, BJ wins standup.

Next, BJ has superior ground game because of his flexibility and knowledge of submissions. BJ has beaten any and all Gracie’s he’s faced. BJ won a grappling tournament held in Brazil for heaven’s sake when he just got his black belt just a week before. The dude is a tuff summa bich.

Ok, now, this is where I will concede. It was mentioned in a previous post that BJ’s training and cardio is suspect. I read somewhere that he does not want to take training serious because he gets burnt out fast. It’s not an exact quote but this concerns me. Hughes can go 5 rounds easy, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s got excellent conditioning. But with BJ, I’m not so confident. That GSP fight, it did seem like he was gassed at the end. GSP was gassed because BJ hit him so hard. I was surprised that GSP could stand after some of the blows they traded. But GSP was able to score with the judges using take downs and leg kicks because his conditioning was awesome. It seemed BJ was looking for a KO punch and GSP just had too much heart to go down. BJ's conditioning wasn't as good from the looks of him.

Overall, I hope BJ wins, it’s just I hope he doesn’t take it lightly and trains really hard. The problem with being confident is that it leads to pride. And pride precludes a huge fall. Anyways, my 2 cents :)

[kealiinaauao]

It looks like this fight might not happen. I guess PrideFC does not want to send Silva to the UFC for this fight, which I think is a rip off. The UFC sent Liddell to PrideFC three times, why not send Silva to the UFC for one fight. And the UFC should not have announced the fight if it was still in negotiations and no agreement had been settled.

I'm disappointed that this fight won't happen. I'm pretty sure Silva would win, but we'll never know now. :mad:

[nachodaddy]

It looks like this fight might not happen. I guess PrideFC does not want to send Silva to the UFC for this fight, which I think is a rip off. The UFC sent Liddell to PrideFC three times, why not send Silva to the UFC for one fight. And the UFC should not have announced the fight if it was still in negotiations and no agreement had been settled.

I'm disappointed that this fight won't happen. I'm pretty sure Silva would win, but we'll never know now. :mad:

From what I understand, they are still working on terms. Dana White is gonna turn out to be an @ss for announcing this before the ink was on the paper or he is gonna be the hero who brought the two best LHWs together.

Pride versus UFC rules, how much to pay, ring versus cage, nothing is finalized yet.

Pride will be in the US soon, Dana is either trying to jump on the bandwagon or is setting up for a merger.

[kealiinaauao]

Ok, I wondered. I read on some MMA sites that the talks have fell thru. Dana was bad mouthing Pride about not coming to terms and stuff. There really shouldn't be much negotiating except for money. Silva is familiar with UFC rules both before dont kick the head rule and after.

I really wanted this fight since the shamrock fight sucked @$$. I'm excited about BJ taking on Hughes. I think BJ has a great chance if he keeps his conditioning up. I'm going for BJ this fight.

[kaipo]

I gotta agree with Kealii!!! I got excited when I heard the announcement the BJ was gonna take on Hughes. Bj's striking is far superior to Hughes, and his Jiu-Jitsu is insane. Definately looking forward to da bruddah from Hilo taking it!!!!!

[i-hungry]

Ok, I wondered. I read on some MMA sites that the talks have fell thru. Dana was bad mouthing Pride about not coming to terms and stuff. There really shouldn't be much negotiating except for money. .

Hahaha. But that's a significant roadblock right there. Doesn't Pride pay uku-plenty and UFC pay manini-smallkine?

[kealiinaauao]

Actually, your right 'hungry.' I was listening to an interview at work online with josh barnett, and he said that he got paid more in 1 fight for pride than the whole time he was at UFC.

But I don't think that's fair, especially since MMA was a relatively new thing back in 93 to 02. MMA was under siege by the likes of opportunistic politicans hoping to make themselves the good guys by banning the sport. And the UFC just started becoming profitable because of accepting regulation and legal issues that exist here in the US. In Japan, there's no such obstacles that need to be overcome. Japan and Brazil had these no holds barred fights as well as mixed martial arts fighting well before this concept caught on in the US. So the UFC is getting bigger and able to get new viewership.

But for right now, Pride is definitely more of a cash cow then UFC. But time will tell.

[i-hungry]

well hopefully they can finance the pay differences or the fighters could make a sacrifice to get things going.

it would be great if liddell vs silva fight could happen.

[nachodaddy]

Silva just got his head split open by Cro-Cop at the Pride Open-Weight Grand Prix. There is going to be some time before he heals up which means the Silva-Liddell match, even if it does happen, won't happen for quite a while.

Couple of videos of this floating around. Cro-Cop did a good job keeping the fight on the feet and controlling distance, effectively rendering Silva's Muy Thai useless.

Props to Cro-Cop. Always the bridesmaid, now the bride.

[manoasurfer123]

Anyone know of any public venues that will be ordering the PPV UFC Card on the 23rd Featuring Hilo's own BJ Penn taking on Matt Hughes for the UFC Championship? :confused:

[nachodaddy]

Hooters. Don't know if you got one tho'

[manoasurfer123]

We have a "Hooters" at aloha tower...

However, does anyone know someplace else where I could actually pay attention to the fight instead of the Hooters :rolleyes:

[nachodaddy]

Manoa;

Best bet is to contact a local gym and find out.

However, my sources tell me Round Table Pizza in Waikiki or Eastside Grill on University. These are unconfirmed. Check it out..............

Oh..............get there early, like B4 2 PM, you know it is going to be packed.

Hooters rocks by the way............ :)

[nachodaddy]

To add a little fuel to the fire.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060920/SPORTS24/609200333/1032

What does everyone think about the undercard??

Mike Swick (11-1) vs. David Loiseau (15-5) Standup I give it to Mike. On the ground, David has some sick elbows. Plus David has that spinning back kick to the liver move down pat. Should be interesting

Jason Lambert (22-5) vs. Rashad Evans (9-0) I actually like Lambert in this one. He is battle tested and has a 8 match win streak going. Evans is legit on his feet but he has not shown he has knockout power.

Jens Pulver (21-6-1) vs. Joe Lauzon (12-3): I like Jens in this one, nice standup, he beat BJ back in 2002. Plus the Kauai connection.

Gabe Ruediger (10-2) vs. Melvin Guillard (38-6-3). Melvin, 1st round TKO

Roger Huerta (14-1-1) vs. Jason Dent (12-6): Both making their UFC debuts. Don't know much about these guys..........

Mario Neto (9-3) vs. Eddie Sanchez (7-0): Sanchez, only because I know someone who trains with him.

Danny Abbadi (2-2) vs. Jorge Gurgel (12-1)- If Jorge can keep his hands up and listen to his corner, he will overcome Danny on the ground. If not, Danny will blast him into next week.

David Lee (5-1) vs. Tyson Griffin (7-0). The British are coming, the British are coming. Lee, submission specialist versus Tyson, brute force. Tossup.....

[manoasurfer123]

There is only one fight worth any importance to me...

GO BJ!

[nachodaddy]

BJ and Matt were on the Adam Carrola show this morning. Hughes was in studio. BJ called in............. BJ was relaxed, talked about missing his flight to the mainland cuz he was in the water surfing. He talked about not training professionally, only training to be happy.

Some say that BJ is not taking this match serious.

Some say that this is just mind games so Hughes will alter his gameplan AKA not take risks and grind it out to a decision.

In a previous interview, BJ did say that the loss to GSP was due to him overtraining. He said for the Hughes match, he went back to the training regimen that he had for his first victory.

Just the messenger here, everything prior to the fight means nothing, what happens in the ring means everything. This will be a good match. Hoping for BJ but not confident enough to put money on it............

[nachodaddy]

Just got back from watching the fight...........

BJ is the most talented, gifted MMA magician currently in the game. His standup is exemplary, his takedown defense is superb, and his BJJ is without peer..................

EXCEPT when he gasses. He had Hughes in both rounds 1 and 2. Had Hughes turning purple at the end of 2.........Hughes saved by the bell...........BJ got nothing in the tank to start round 3.........Hughes gets the takedown and then side control........traps an arm..........and beats BJ senseless.......ref stoppage........Hughes by TKO.

BJ was on the mat for over a minute before he was helped up and sat on a stool...........then he needed help out of the ring.........no premature stoppage.......Hughes would have killed him...........BJ has no defense.

Oh, Hughes is still an * hole with the post fight comments, however he still has the belt.

It was a pleasure to watch BJ work his magic for two rounds, sucks it ended this way.

[manoasurfer123]

thanks for the update nacho...

I did predict that Hughes would take him out...Post #64
Hate to say this... but I think Hughes will take Big Island bad boy BJ Penn out.
But in my Heart I wanted him to win!
It's ok... I'm sure he took home a good check that will help him with his pending legal troubles. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/May/24/sp/sp01p.html

[nachodaddy]

There is a rumor circulating throughout the fight underground that BJ seperated a rib late in the 2nd while trying to submit Matt. So far just rumor...

.....but it makes sense. BJ looked like a corpse coming out of his corner in the third. Total meltdown. Being the proud owner of a permanently floating rib, I can tell ya that when it happened, it hurt like heck and it was very, very difficult to breathe through it. Not getting any air is going to throw your game off fer sure.

Not an excuse, Hughes won the fight, but this helps explains things a little better.

[Keanu]

Oh, Hughes is still an * hole with the post fight comments, however he still has the belt.

It was a pleasure to watch BJ work his magic for two rounds, sucks it ended this way.


Agreed. Hughes should have been more gracious in victory caused he could have easily lost to Penn. Had Penn a little more stamina, he would've beaten Hughes again.

[Keanu]

There is a rumor circulating throughout the fight underground that BJ seperated a rib late in the 2nd while trying to submit Matt. So far just rumor...

.....


Wow, that explains a lot.

If they were to fight again, what little money I have would be on Penn.

[nachodaddy]

Wow, that explains a lot.

If they were to fight again, what little money I have would be on Penn.

Was not comfortable with betting on Penn this time even at +175.

Made money on Guillard, Sanchez and and Griffin. The undercard.

Lost money by betting on The Crow, Pulver, and Lambert.

Overall, lost a little coin.......

[kealiinaauao]

I was cheering for BJ, but that 3rd round was just terrible.

Originally Posted by nachodaddy

Oh, Hughes is still an * hole with the post fight comments, however he still has the belt.

I have to disagree with this. Hughes isn't an * hole. Matt is always gracious in victory just look at his previous fights with gracie, trigg, newton, and sherk. Penn was the one that was acting like wanderlei silva. But if someone was pushing my buttons and not even giving respects, then heck yah I'd put an exlamation mark on my victory by telling everyone that I won.

But Matt isn't like that at all. He's very humble. He was asked by the UFC to talk some trash to hype any fight that he gets. Even what GSP said, was uncharacteristic of him, he was just trying to hype the next fight up. Kinda like Ali.

Anyways, I liked swick altho he gassed in the last round. I really like Guillard, he's a fighter that should get the winner of the florian/ sherk fight.

'nuff said.

[kealiinaauao]

U right nachos!

September 12th, 2006 12:28 AM
Originally posted by nachosdaddy

Cro-Cop did a good job keeping the fight on the feet and controlling distance, effectively rendering Silva's Muy Thai useless.

Funny thing is, I thought at first CroCop was afraid of getting punched or what not. But then as I continued watching, it appeared CroCop was more precise with his strikes while silva wanted to throw for the fences. I think for silva melee fighting is more his style. Since CroCop is more specific with his strikes he avoided an all out punch fest with silva, which I think is very smart. He picked apart silva like he was some dude off the street.

Good fight, too bad about BJ. ‘nuff said.

[Beachboy]

Liddell is toast.......

:rolleyes: hardly....I suspect the fight will never take place since Silva got the fudge knocked out of him in his last bout.

[Beachboy]

Actually, your right 'hungry.' I was listening to an interview at work online with josh barnett, and he said that he got paid more in 1 fight for pride than the whole time he was at UFC.

But I don't think that's fair, especially since MMA was a relatively new thing back in 93 to 02. MMA was under siege by the likes of opportunistic politicans hoping to make themselves the good guys by banning the sport. And the UFC just started becoming profitable because of accepting regulation and legal issues that exist here in the US. In Japan, there's no such obstacles that need to be overcome. Japan and Brazil had these no holds barred fights as well as mixed martial arts fighting well before this concept caught on in the US. So the UFC is getting bigger and able to get new viewership.

But for right now, Pride is definitely more of a cash cow then UFC. But time will tell.

K-1 is the same as PRIDE! They pay more because of where they take place mostly(Japan).

[kealiinaauao]

Posted on Sherdog.com

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5705

The ribs on the right side of B.J. Penn (Pictures)'s body were injured while he seized UFC champion Matt Hughes (Pictures)' back in the second round of Saturday's title fight, the welterweight challenger revealed on his Web site, BJPenn.com, late Sunday

I didn't believe this theory mentioned above cuz shamrock pulled the same thing. But now that BJ has officially come out and say what was wrong, now the 3rd round is more believable. Unable to breathe and get strength from the core is crucial in MMA. Everything comes from the core. But BJ is one tuff SOB, I kept watching the fight to see a wince or even an indication that his ribs were hurting, but he didn't show it. What a warrior.

'nuff said.

[kealiinaauao]

Posted on Sherdog.com

http://www.bjpenn.com/

The ribs on the right side of B.J. Penn body were injured while he seized UFC champion Matt Hughes back in the second round of Saturday's title fight, the welterweight challenger revealed on his Web site, BJPenn.com, late Sunday

I didn't believe this theory mentioned above cuz shamrock pulled the same thing. But now that BJ has officially come out and say what was wrong, now the 3rd round is more believable. Unable to breathe and get strength from the core is crucial in MMA. Everything comes from the core. But BJ is one tuff SOB, I kept watching the fight to see a wince or even an indication that his ribs were hurting, but he didn't show it. What a warrior.

'nuff said.

[kaipo]

I'm glad I read BJ's website, was kinda bummed about the way it ended. I couldn't believe the huges passed BJ's guard!! after reading the website, it made a lot more sense!!

Much respect to the Hilo boy!!!!!!

[LikaNui]

Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock III

Tonight (October 10) on SpikeTV at 8pm.

Go, Tito!!!
:D

[nachodaddy]

I hope they show Maui's own...........

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=918

LMAO "I'm broke, my car just overheated, I ain't got no car" :)

[Palolo Joe]

Kendall will more than likely be in Tito's corner for the fight...

FYI, we get the West Coast feed of Spike, so the fights start at 5 p.m. Hawaii time. Tune in at 8 p.m. and you'll get some weak awards show.

Gonna be fun watching Tito dismantle Shamrock. Gonna be even more fun watching Liddell pick Tito apart when those two face off at the end of the year.

Anyone else see Tito and Shamrock jawing at each other on Quite Frankly last night?

[1stwahine]

I hope they show Maui's own...........

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=918

LMAO "I'm broke, my car just overheated, I ain't got no car" :)

Nacho, if you was on Oahu...I'd glady give you Manerva!;)

Auntie Lynn

[nachodaddy]

Nacho, if you was on Oahu...I'd glady give you Manerva!;)

Auntie Lynn


Auntie;

No....not me.....I got cars and they all work. Thanks from the bottom of my heart but no need.

Kendall said in the interview that he is pretty laid back until the fight but when he steps in the ring it is all business. Hence, his motivations to do well. Made me laugh. :)

[1stwahine]

I gotta share a story. Wat's new?:p

My son came over one day. He was talking to me about the fights. He was excited. I didn't say nuttin. Den he realized who he was talking to...Mommy! :eek: Mommy don't like "fights!"

I told him it was ok. I understood. He was a man just like his dad who loved the Sport.;)

Thanks guys for opening my eyes once again.

Auntie Lynn

[LikaNui]

FYI, we get the West Coast feed of Spike, so the fights start at 5 p.m. Hawaii time. Tune in at 8 p.m. and you'll get some weak awards show. Hmmm. I wondered about that this morning, so I looked at the schedule on Oceanic's website. Went to the TV listings, selected SpikeTV, then scrolled through. They show it as airing at 8pm.
:confused:
In any case, I'll be home by 5 and will be checking Spike at the top of each hour to make sure I don't miss it.

[Palolo Joe]

Hmmm. I wondered about that this morning, so I looked at the schedule on Oceanic's website. Went to the TV listings, selected SpikeTV, then scrolled through. They show it as airing at 8pm.
:confused:
In any case, I'll be home by 5 and will be checking Spike at the top of each hour to make sure I don't miss it.

5 p.m. and it just got started... holy crap, and Kendall is FIGHTING? I didn't know that!

If you think about it, an 8 p.m. start time in Hawaii means that it would be airing live on the East Coast at 2 a.m.

Makes more sense for the start time to be 8 p.m. on the West Coast, 11 p.m. on the East Coast... and 5 p.m. in Hawaii.

[manoasurfer123]

Thanks for the reminder PJ...

I didn't know kendall was fighting either...:)

[localgrl]

It's 9:00 here and got done watching it about an hour ago, not going to give any details to spoil it for anyone but it was great to watch!

[manoasurfer123]

It's 9:00 here and got done watching it about an hour ago, not going to give any details to spoil it for anyone but it was great to watch!

ah heck...they saying it's "live" here in Hawaii...with no "Previously taped" bug!

I was thinking...damn these fights are happening late in Florida!

Here goes Kendall!

[Palolo Joe]

So it wasn't live? Ahahaha... oh well. Wish we could have seen it live at what... 2 p.m. then?

Great night for Team Punishment, regardless...

Thanks for pointing that out Localgrl.

Anyone wanna bet when the PPV will start on Saturday? :cool:

[LikaNui]

Kendall is FIGHTING? I didn't know that! Neither did I. And, apparently, neither did the other fans here on HT. Poor marketing job.
Loved the results, though. Everyone I wanted to win, won.
Interesting interaction after Ortiz-Shamrock. Good sportsmanship, perhaps, but it seemed a bit 'scripted'.
All in all, good show.

[Marco]

Taped the fight and watched it early this morning. Good stuff. I respect Shamrock, but have never liked him much. Ortiz made short work of him, but that was to be expected, I guess. Shamrock's pretty old and I really hope this is his last match.


Gonna be even more fun watching Liddell pick Tito apart when those two face off at the end of the year.

Can't argue with that. Liddel should smack Tito around pretty easily, in their rematch. Entertainment, at its finest.

[pttymcgee]

I'm moving out to Maui in three months with my girlfriend and her father. Her father is moving out there next month, his flight is for November 13th...five days before Matt Hughes fights St. Pierre. My question is are there any bars in Maui that show the UFC pay-per-view fights at all?

[Miulang]

I'm moving out to Maui in three months with my girlfriend and her father. Her father is moving out there next month, his flight is for November 13th...five days before Matt Hughes fights St. Pierre. My question is are there any bars in Maui that show the UFC pay-per-view fights at all?
You said he's moving to Kihei, right? There aren't any sports bars like you can find on the Mainland with lots of big screen TVs (after all, most people like their sports outside, not sitting inside a bar in Hawai'i;) ) but he can try this place (http://www.10best.com/Maui/Nightlife/Bars/index.html?businessID=80618) in Kihei.

Miulang

[808shooter]

Didn't expect to see an MMA thread on this board.

Anyone catch the Pride Las Vegas show last night?

Fedor v Coleman was the headliner

Randleman v Shogun was another feature matchup

Barnett v Some Polish Juduoka

Lawler v Some guy who got his ass kicked

Overall I was pretty psyched to see a card that featured the MW GP Champ and the HW Champ. Pride is going to raise the MMA bar for the UFC. I hope to see an annual "superbowl" of MMA each year where the champs from each organization square off every new years.

[manoasurfer123]

Anyone hear about the RIOT in Hilo last weekend after the Fights at the Civic?
He's sure the crowd was pumped up from the "Beatdown II" martial arts event held earlier that night at the Hilo Civic Auditorium....

"I'd say there were 15 police cars," he said. "They all got out and they looked like a platoon. I saw a beer bottle shatter on the roof of a police car. Rocks hit a parked SUV."
"Because there were so many people, we probably didn't pick up as many as we should have. We didn't have the manpower," Miyamoto said. "It started at 3 a.m. and I couldn't release my guys until 5:30 a.m. It took two and a half hours for us to disperse enough people to say it was safe for us to leave the area."


The mood was reminiscent of an incident 16 years ago where one Hilo officer died, Miyamoto said.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2006/10/26/local_news/local01.txt
The comments below the article are kind of scary too!

[Palolo Joe]

The "riot" took place hours after the fights ended.

From the same story:

Others say similar incidents involving fights and rowdiness are all too common on the horseshoe-shaped strip of bayfront hotels, condos and eateries.

"Sometimes the road is filled with people," said one Reeds Bay resident who withheld his name. "They stop traffic, there's so many of them out there beefing it up. I don't even get up anymore."

Added Spicer: "They also had some rowdiness down here about a month ago. Cops had a guy down here; an ambulance was fixing him up. They were all pumped up on ice. Someone went home and got the cousins. That was when it got rowdy."
Brawling is normal for the area. It happens frequently, even when there are no MMA events taking place.

Here's another interesting passage, including quotes from the owner of the bar where the latest brawl took place:

He said he and the hotel operators have also pressed the county for a police substation on Banyan, where the unsafe atmosphere keeps tourists indoors at night.

"Every hotel has offered free space for the substation. I said right in front of my door would be a great spot. The county hasn't done anything," he said.

Takahashi said he complies with noise ordinances and makes every effort to be a good neighbor. He said he had conferred with his head of security and believed the scene had been staged.

"They were all at another club saying if we didn't let them in, they were going to start a riot. I want to press charges, but they were never in my club," he said.

Takahashi said he has already complied with community requests for soundproofing and more security.

"We've done everything people have asked," he said. "I'd love to listen to the community if they have any more suggestions."
Sounds like the problem is with drugged-up drunk idiots... not holding MMA events on the island.

Oahu used to have problems with brawling at the Blaisdell and nearby parking lots... thanks to efforts by the various promoters and HPD, things have really calmed down in the past year or two.

[manoasurfer123]

A rebel doesn't care about the facts. All he wants to do is yell... Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight.
Proverbs 18:2, 17

I used to live in the Condo's right next to Shooters...the Country Club Condo's.

Banyan Drive was not like this when I left Hilo in '97.

Most of the people that conglamorate in that area NOW are actually from out of Hilo town and have no other places to hang out after hours...

The problem lies more with the fact that there is not enough bars and/or things for people to do in Hilo at times.... so what do they do...they drive around...go party party... Drink and Drive...etc... then when nothing better to do... or run out of Alcohol...(cause Alcohol sales do end at 11:00 in Hilo..) they want to go into an establishment and have a drink.... there are only maybe 3-4 places to go to after hours in Hilo and some 2000 plus drinkers during an event like this....

You said it best that Blaisdell had the problem of fights and it has now mellowed out.... Big Island just started having MMA recently and having bouts at the civic....Instead of Beefing inside of the Civic ... they are told to take there problems elsewhere.... thus, allowing them not to be so associated with fighting because of MMA at the civic... Kind of like "take it outside" however, it tends to spill down onto banyan drive...which is less than a 1/4 mile from the Civic... The Alcohol, Combined with I'm sure some Drugs, as well as Stupidity... as WELL as the "Fighters Mentality" that many MMA artists have along with their "POSSE" can create some chaos....

Remember what happened outside of Zanzabar with BJ PENN here on OAHU?

Anyone remember back in about 1999 when MMA fighters were targeting UH Football players to "pick" fights with...?

[pttymcgee]

Hey all! Just wondering if anyone knows a good place to watch the UFC 65 fights this Saturday on Maui. I've been looking all around the internet and can't find a thing. Thanks all!

[manoasurfer123]

I guess your next best bet is going to be to start calling the bars around town.

Depending on where your staying, you might be able to order it on PPV.

[Palolo Joe]

In case anyone forgot... UFC 65: Bad Intentions (http://65.ufc.com/) gets started at 5 p.m.

Gonna be good to see Tim Sylvia back in action... and I hope GSP upsets Hughes to win the title...

[nachodaddy]

... and I hope GSP upsets Hughes to win the title...


Hope is a powerful thing. About as powerful as a left high kick upside the head. GSP went Cro Cop on Hughes....... War GSP!!!!!

Will we get the rubber match between Hughes and GSP first or will BJ heal in time for a rematch with GSP?

Edit: Actually Serra gets the first shot at GSP. He needs to work on his standup or it will be a first round TKO. If GSP can stalemate BJ on the ground, Serra better stay on his feet.

[brianca]

I was shocked that it wasn't even close. hughes had his arse handed to him. I was pulling for the snowman, and he gave a very disappointing performance. I'm not even sure how interesting a hughes/GSP rematch would be. I'd be more excited about it if the fight was a little closer.

[manoasurfer123]

Curious to see what fighters make?

The following are the official fighter payroll figures released by the California State Athletic Commission for UFC 65 "Bad Intentions" show from November 18th. These figures do not include bonuses UFC privately pays some fighters.

Georges St. Pierre ($58,000) def. Matt Hughes ($75,000)

Tim Sylvia ($120,000) def. Jeff Monson ($13,000)

Brandon Vera ($40,000) def. Frank Mir ($30,000)

Drew McFedries ($8,000) def. Alessio Sakara ($10,000)

Joe Stevenson ($24,000) def. Dokonjonosuke Mishima ($8,000)

James Irvin ($10,000) def. Hector Ramirez ($3,000)

Antoni Hardonk ($6,000) def. Sherman Pendergarst ($4,000)

Nick Diaz ($24,000) def. Gleison Tibau ($3,000)

Jake O'Brien ($12,000) def. Josh Shockman ($3,000)

[LikaNui]

Anyone else watch UFC-66 last night? Comments?

[Beachboy]

Niko Vitale loses to Jermy Horn last night, in Oakland Ca. It's to bad for Niko as he has lost four of his last five fights, I like his style,and I hope he keeps going.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=6571

[Palolo Joe]

From the story:

Horn made a successful return to the ring after a four-month layoff by beating Vitale by split decision in the five-round main event. Horn, looking much worse for the wear, let out a sigh of relief when the final score was announced — 48-47, 47-48 and 48-47 — in his favor. This was a fight most prognosticators tabbed Horn to win and while he did take home the victory in the end, it was not an easy night for the crafty veteran.

Wonder if it would have went differently on the scorecards if they fought at the Blaisdell... :D

[Beachboy]

probably not J. Horn is one of the best MMA fighters in the world.

[LikaNui]

The new season of Ultimate Fighter starts tonight. Hilo's B.J. Penn is one of the two coaches, and UH grad Andy Wang is one of the 16 fighters. There was this story in today's Advertiser (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Apr/05/br/br6432089157.html) and here's a couple of excerpts:

"Hilo mixed martial arts fighter BJ Penn is about to become a household name.
Tonight, he makes his debut as one of the coaches on Spike's "Ultimate Fighter 5," one of the most popular cable shows on TV.
"Showtime is 7 p.m. The Ultimate Fighter is a reality series that has been nominated twice for Emmys.
"The show spends six weeks tracking 16 mixed martial artists as they live with and fight each other for a chance to win a six-figure UFC contract.
(...)
"This year, the UFC is banking on the animosity between Penn and Iowa-based Jens Pulver to be the main sublot. (sic) (I'm sure they meant subplot)
"I respect him — he's a world champion and I know he's dangerous," Penn, 28, told The Advertiser in an earlier interview about Pulver, 32. "But I just don't like him. That guy runs his mouth way too much"
Pulver's take on Penn: "He's not a rival anymore, he's a straight nemesis He's a great fighter. He's a legend in the sport. But I really want to knock him out."
(...)
"On Season III, Maui's Kendall Grove won a six-figure contract. This year, Andy Wang, a University of Hawai'i graduate, is one of the fighters."

[808shooter]

just watched the opening episode of TUF5. We're in for one hellauva show. BJ is pretty loco moco and funny. he seems like a great coach/mentor and a real likeable guy.

he starts some shit from the opening show. don't want to be a spoiler but if you can download the show, it's was worth watching. he's going to be a star after this with his charisma and reputation of accomplishments.

[GnosticWarrior]

You can watch the entire program of UFC 71 here: http://www.jitterville.com/ufc71.php

Or just the main event, Chuck "Iceman" Lidell Vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson: http://www.jitterville.com/liddellvjackson.php

Haven't check out the rest of the programs but, just by offering UFC 71, I think this is a cool site! :cool:
http://www.watchtvsitcoms.com/

[stevo75]

thats awesome knostic, chuck was definately knocked out. thanks for the video!

[GnosticWarrior]

chuck was definately knocked out.

Yeah, the ref made the right call. I think Chuck would have gotten more of a beating from Rampage if it wasn't stopped. They got a tuff job, trying to prevent unneeded injuries and maintain the acceptance of the sport. A lot harder calls than in boxing.

[LikaNui]

I agree that it was a close call whether or not to stop it, but I think once Chuck has seen the replays and sees his unfocused eyes, he'll clearly agree.
He wasn't knocked clear out, but he was sure close to it.
Good call by the ref. (Big John McCarthy, as I recall.)
I'd like to see Lidell-Rampage 3.

[LocoBoy]

As a big Chuck fan I was disappointed to see the result of the fight. Even worse, I had rampage fans in the house howling like idiots for what seemed like hours after the fight ended. Nothing worse than the opposition rubbing it in. I'd like to see a rematch but wouldnt mind seeing jackson vs henderson or even silva vs jackson.

[Paul Ogata]

Chuck went limp... the boy was out. It's like one punch knocked him out, and the next one woke him up.

Great fight card, top to bottom! Always fun to watch Parisyan, Din Thomas did well, as did Kalib Starnes. And how about that Houston Alexander? Holy moley! Watch out for that guy.

The future Henderson/Jackson fight looks to be good, too. But does anybody know where I can see the Henderson/Silva fight? The highlights of Wanderlei on his back getting KTFO look wicked!!

[GnosticWarrior]

And how about that Houston Alexander? Holy moley! Watch out for that guy.

That was the best fight of the night! Another interesting fighter in the light heavy weight division. Plus we finally are getting to see some of the PRIDE fighters in the UFC. Yes a lot of future matches to look forward to.

MMA - still doesn't pay as much as boxing. :(


PURSES

Quinton Rampage Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinton_Rampage_Jackson) - $225,000 def. Chuck Liddell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Liddell) - $500,000
Karo Parisyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karo_Parisyan) - $32,000 def. Josh Burkman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Burkman) - $7,000
Terry Martin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Martin) - $12,000 def. Ivan Salaverry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Salaverry) - $17,500
Houston Alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Alexander) - $8,000 def. Keith Jardine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Jardine) - $7,000
Kalib Starnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalib_Starnes) - $10,000 def. Chris Leben (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Leben) - $10,000
Thiago Silva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiago_Silva) - $16,000 def. James Irvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Irvin) - $7,000
Alan Belcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Belcher) - $14,000 def. Sean Salmon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Salmon) - $3,000
Din Thomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Din_Thomas) - $28,000 def. Jeremy Stephens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Stephens) - $3,000
Wilson Gouveia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Gouveia) - $16,000 def. Carmelo Marrero (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carmelo_Marrero&action=edit) - $5,000

[Palolo Joe]

I'd like to see a rematch but wouldnt mind seeing jackson vs henderson or even silva vs jackson.

They brought Hendo out at the PPV. Jackson vs. Henderson is going to happen.

PURSES

Quinton Rampage Jackson - $225,000 def. Chuck Liddell - $500,000

Actually, Jackson got paid $450,000. He received a bonus of $225,000 for winning the fight.

[GnosticWarrior]

Actually, Jackson got paid $450,000. He received a bonus of $225,000 for winning the fight.

Thanks for the clarification. It was a cut and paste from Wikipedia, maybe that's why I got it wrong. :o

[1stwahine]

Anybody going to O Lounge tonight to watch the fights?
http://808fightshop.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=8&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=19&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

I'll be there with P.K. His brother, Willie and nephew, Royce are fighting tonight.

Should be mighty interesting and Bloody!

Auntie Lynn

[808shooter]

anybody watch the most recent TUF episode? Rudeboy is another Hawaiian who kicks ass and represents!

My favorite line "I goin bring da tunda"

He brought it all right. Dropped that pencil pushing engineer like a sack of molasses. In slo mo.

Second favorite part was the chinese kung fu imitations. Totally non-pc but it was hilarious. I'm looking forward to big entertainment from Rudeboy going forward.

[Paul Ogata]

BJ Penn vs. Joe Stevenson for the UFC Interim Lightweight Championship today. I'll put comment in spoilers in case you didn't watch it live.

BJ Penn wins via rear naked choke in the second round! Congratulations BJ! Now BJ joins The Natural as the only guys in UFC history to win titles in two different weight classes. Awesome!

[LikaNui]

I'll put comment in spoilers in case you didn't watch it live. THANK YOU for doing that, Paul!!! The show aired live at 10am but I was out on the ocean and just now got back so I can watch the 5pm replay, starting in a few minutes.
If I was a betting man, my money would definitely be on Penn.
Hilo! Represent!
And Kendall Grove is on the card too. TWO Hawaiians... fighting on the same card... in England. Heh.

[infinitypro]

I'm on Maui, quite a disappointment with GROVE's loss.

But,

BJ PENN! I could hear shouts of victory from 'round the corner! I avoided the internet since 10 a.m. so as not to get any spoilers. The extent of my MMA interest lies with Hawai'i ties.

[LikaNui]

Shocked about Kendall Grove, but stoked about BJ Penn!
Had to love Penn's entrance into the ring. House lights went down, Bruddah IZ comes blasting out of the rafters with "E Ala E" as Penn made the long walk from the locker room and into the arena. They had time to play the whole song. Cool! Hope it made some new IZ fans there in England, and those who watched on TV too.
Not surprising to see Penn and his boys all wearing Kau Inoa t-shirts as they entered the ring, since he's done that TV commercial recently and is the latest celebrity to say "I placed my name."
He beat a good opponent and deserved the win. Next up, Sean Sherk, the deposed champ. Fight's supposed to be in June. I predict BJ will win again.

[nkth]

Okay all you Ultimate Fighting & MMA fans...anyone heard of Howard Liu of HCK? I knew nothing about the sport. He's taught me much. Guess he's right about it being very popular on the islands.