I don't believe

[manoasurfer123]

I don't believe....The weather reporters on Television...

I can look outside at Manoa Valley and that can tell me what is going to happen for at least the next hour or two.

I don't believe....That Hawaii's Legislatures really care about public schools ...

When the majority of them either sent their kids to private schools... or currently send their kids to private schools... Will send their kids to private school when they get of age...or would send them if they had children.

I don't believe... most email that is sent these days from people I don't know.

So much spam out there... I swear I get more spam mail then real mail at my work account... I actually received the BOH bogus phishing email letter twice!(and I have never given that account out to anyone but family)

[kimo55]

i don't believe manoasuffer's not opinionated.

[timkona]

I don't believe that those bones are your relatives. Build the school anyway.

I don't believe Americans are scared of terrorism. Now go fill up the SUV.

I don't believe a virgin had a baby. Sounds like a cover story for promiscuity.

I don't believe that a man, who killed people by pushing them over a cliff, is a hero.

I don't believe you should expect to get something for nothing.

I don't believe that skin color or blood quantum makes you special.

I don't believe that success is an accident.

[scrivener]

I don't believe....That Hawaii's Legislatures really care about public schools ...When the majority of them either sent their kids to private schools... or currently send their kids to private schools... Will send their kids to private school when they get of age...or would send them if they had children.
I think "majority" may be a bit of an overstatement, but even if it's true, the fact that they send their kids to private schools does not mean they don't care about the public schools. To think so implies that every person cares only about the education of his or her child. If this were true, I don't think there would BE public education. We have state-funded, state-administered, state-mandated education because we believe that an educated populace is productive, contributing, and law-abiding. When people send their kids to private schools, they're double-paying; they're paying for the educations of their own children and they're paying for the educations of everyone else's children. I'd think that would make them care more, wouldn't you?

I teach at a private school: Does this mean I don't care about the kids in public schools? No way. I do care, but the students at my school need something that public schools don't provide, and right now, they are my mission. I graduated from a private school. Does this mean that my parents didn't care about public schools? No way. I had certain needs that my parents didn't think public schools could support. The thing is, no public institution can cover the needs of every student: That's why we have private education and even home-schooling.

In fact, I would think that, more than the average citizen, lawmakers care about public education. These people have homes and businesses, and those homes and businesses are better off when people are being educated. When you think about it, they took jobs where they actually have the power to influence public education. What are the average citizens doing to better public schools? Can you name three members of the BOE? Do you remember who you voted for in the BOE elections last year? Do you know where your own state reps and senators stand on important education-related issues? When you voted for your reps on the BOE, did you make an educated, informed vote, or did you go by name-recognition?

I am not targeting you, Manoasurfer; I just keep hearing this criticism, and lately I'm wondering how much water it holds.

[manoasurfer123]

I think "majority" may be a bit of an overstatement, but even if it's true, the fact that they send their kids to private schools does not mean they don't care about the public schools. To think so implies that every person cares only about the education of his or her child. If this were true, I don't think there would BE public education. We have state-funded, state-administered, state-mandated education because we believe that an educated populace is productive, contributing, and law-abiding. When people send their kids to private schools, they're double-paying; they're paying for the educations of their own children and they're paying for the educations of everyone else's children. I'd think that would make them care more, wouldn't you?

I teach at a private school: Does this mean I don't care about the kids in public schools? No way. I do care, but the students at my school need something that public schools don't provide, and right now, they are my mission. I graduated from a private school. Does this mean that my parents didn't care about public schools? No way. I had certain needs that my parents didn't think public schools could support. The thing is, no public institution can cover the needs of every student: That's why we have private education and even home-schooling.

In fact, I would think that, more than the average citizen, lawmakers care about public education. These people have homes and businesses, and those homes and businesses are better off when people are being educated. When you think about it, they took jobs where they actually have the power to influence public education. What are the average citizens doing to better public schools? Can you name three members of the BOE? Do you remember who you voted for in the BOE elections last year? Do you know where your own state reps and senators stand on important education-related issues? When you voted for your reps on the BOE, did you make an educated, informed vote, or did you go by name-recognition?

I am not targeting you, Manoasurfer; I just keep hearing this criticism, and lately I'm wondering how much water it holds.
Scriv -

Mahalo for your input...

I work for DOE and the majority of my co-workers fall under the same "sent their kids to private schools... or currently send their kids to private schools... Will send their kids to private school when they get of age...or would send them if they had children."

We know at administrative levels how poor our schools are doing.

I will PM you with the rest of my thoughts...

Once again a well thought out post by the Scrivman

Manoa

[timkona]

If DOE employees won't send their kids to public schools, is that an admission that you suck at your job? And if not you, then why are you protective of somebody who DOES suck at their job in the DOE? That makes you an accomplice. No Shame in Hawaii.

[scrivener]

The problem is not that these people all don't care; the problem is that nobody can seem to agree on what needs to be done, and where it's all supposed to start. This No Child Left Behind Act points directly to teachers and principals first, which is probably where the first fingers SHOULD be pointed; however, it's easier to say "the teachers and principals aren't doing their jobs" than to say, "What can we do to help teachers and principals do their jobs?"

So if lawmakers, bureaucrats, teachers, principals, parents, and even students care, what each person needs to do is not to say, "So-and-so needs to do THIS," but to say, "Hey. You care, I care, these guys over here care. What can each of us do to make sure THIS happens?"

Unfortunately, that's not exactly what's happening, because, as I said, it's just easier to blame someone else.

[manoasurfer123]

If DOE employees won't send their kids to public schools, is that an admission that you suck at your job? And if not you, then why are you protective of somebody who DOES suck at their job in the DOE? That makes you an accomplice. No Shame in Hawaii.
No this is not an admission that we suck at our jobs. I think we all do excellent at our jobs given what tools that we have to work with.

I think most of us in DOE work to the best of our "given" ability.

However, the working conditions that we are given... it makes our job very difficult sometimes.

How can you call me an accomplice...when I work my ass off everyday to try and improve DOE?

Yes, I get Hypocritical sometimes...but when you attack individual employees instead of the "system" then I will have to say you are wrong Timkona...(no wonder why you didn't get elected... you brush people the wrong way)

I've read your threads for a while now...and will you please stop with the "politics" of No!

NO now... please?

I've only added one person to my ignore list on HT... I'd hate to have to add another because of personal and ignorant responses to my threads.

Mahalo,

Manoasurfer123

[sinjin]

I don't believe in objectivity.

[timkona]

but when you attack individual employees instead of the "system" then I will have to say you are wrong Timkona

it must be a fine line, that I don't see, when separating the DOE "employees" from the DOE "system"

You know why I rub people the wrong way? Because I'm not afraid to tell it like it is. No Gloss. No Political Correctness. No BS. And most folks can't handle the truth, when it's delivered without some sweet sauce. It's the same as the "dont kill the messenger" line.

The ignore function in these forums is simply a way for some people to trample on the First Amendment, in their own private Idaho.

Manoa, you seem like one of the good soldiers in the DOE to me. So if you won't blow the whistle on nitwit co-workers, or other DOE mistakes, then would you please be so kind as to email me privately with details, such that I can shake the appropriate branch on the tree. I may not have been elected, but running for politics opened up some pretty big connections in the state, at many different levels.

[LikaNui]

You know why I rub people the wrong way? Because I'm not afraid to tell it like it is.

(Coffee ----> nose ----> keyboard and monitor.)

:rolleyes:

[Leo Lakio]

And most folks can't handle the truthThe truth, I can handle just fine.

It's with personal opinions professing to be "the truth" - that's where I have a problem.

Be it politics, religion, whatever - don't try to force-feed me your beliefs or values. You can present them to me as your own perspective, and I'll listen respectfully - you might even get me to change my mind about something, or see your point of view more clearly.

But start deriding me for having a different opinion than you, and you have just shut the door on reasonable discourse.

[sinjin]

It's with personal opinions professing to be "the truth" - that's where I have a problem.


Precisely. A legend in his own mind.

[Miulang]

There's a big difference between telling the truth and being able to convince others to believe you v. telling the truth in a way (as in "my way or the highway") so that no one wants to listen. ;) There's something to be said about using honey instead of vinegar to catch dem flies!

Miulang

[craigwatanabe]

I don't believe Timkona is all that bad as perceived (Right Tim) but instead of looking at the accusations we should look at the message. Timkona is frustrated and probably angry at the "system" and all that is involved with it.

I do believe that there is room for improvement when it comes to public education and that there's plenty of sources to blame for what is not happening within our public schools.

One teacher can only do so much for the sake of their students. And for those that try to do the best within their means shows a strong teacher or teaching staff.

When it comes to support, I truly believe the HSTA must be more aggressive when it comes to support for their union members. In any other unionized labor force, if a union member had to pay for supplies to accomodate his union job and not get reimbursed for it, the union would be in there to fight for that person. Where is the HSTA when it comes to issues like these?

When it comes to support, I truly believe the Parents must be more partipatory when it comes to the education of their keiki. I see more support for their kids out on the soccer and baseball fields than in their own classrooms. Wher are the parents when it comes to issues like these?

When it comes to support, I truly believe the school administration must be more supportive of their teaching staff. A good leader leads by example...servant leadership always proves to be the best way. Administrative staff is there to support the operations or the meat of the organization by providing all the Human Resourcing to keep the operation running smoothly. Where is the administration when it comes to issues like these?

So where do the teachers fit in? They are the pinnicle of education because they are the administrators of it and they deserve every bit of support the HSTA, Administration, and parents can give. Where is it? Instead of finding the truth, everyone is point the finger of blame on everybody else instead of listening to each other. You can't learn by talking as the saying goes, and we all got to just shut up for a minute and listen to the message instead of getting all pissy over it.

Timkona has a valid statement albeit a bit misguided in the finger pointing. But instead of bashing the messenger, we should look at the truths in his statements instead of the subjectivity of it.

We can all learn by looking at our adversaries and trying to understand why they're so upset. Perhaps resolution can be quicker than later if we try to understand the message instead of the emotion.

We could end wars if we only followed simple rules like that and other issues like these.

One thing we can all relate to is that there is a problem with public education and I don't believe everyone here doesn't believe that.

[timkona]

misguided in the finger pointing

finger pointing brings a notion of responsibility with it....highlighting individuals is the key to solving group problems.

perhaps the truth is that everybody in the DOE, HSTA, are all doing a fine job

perhaps the truth is that anybody who sticks their head out might spill their rice bowl

[manoasurfer123]

I don't believe...

Timkona (HT nickname) will ever get elected to anything he runs for if he continues on the way he currently does. He got voted down once before without anyone knowing what he is about...and now he's opening his mouth on HT w/out realizing who might be reading.

This is my "I don't believe thread" isn't it?

[Paul]

Timkona (HT nickname) will ever get elected to anything he runs for if he continues on the way he currently does. He got voted down once before without anyone knowing what he is about...and now he's opening his mouth on HT w/out realizing who might be reading.


This clown actually tried running for political office in Hawaii? You've got to be kidding. He'd better hide his true beliefs if he wants to run for any office again.

[timkona]

He'd better hide his true beliefs if he wants to run for any office again.

I learned, by running for council, that the voters have no interest whatsoever in the truth. Thanks Paul for verifying this.

[LikaNui]

I learned, by running for council, that the voters have no interest whatsoever in the truth. Well, that's not exactly correct. The voters showed that they have no interest in your version of the truth, apparently.
Something for you to think about.

[Leo Lakio]

Well, that's not exactly correct. The voters showed that they have no interest in your version of the truth, apparently.
Something for you to think about.
Which doesn't mean your version is any more wrong or right than mine, Timkona - just that your version resonates with a minority of voters in your area.
Remember, my "truth" and your "truth" are often different perspectives of the same thing (see "Rashomon") - and both are colored by our lives and experiences, so I don't think "truth" is the best word to describe our values and opinions. So, in my opinion, you should stop describing your opinions as "truth," and stop negating ("politics of NO?") anyone whose values differ from yours.
You need to respect others, in order to gain respect from them. Or votes.

[Konaguy]

I hate to say it, but there is some truth to what Tim Kona has to say.
I've lived here my entire life,born and raised. I'm very tired of the typical
politics as usual gig that always happens here. Yes Tim Kona is blunt
and too honest about most things. But it seems no one wants to deal or
listen to the real realities effecting Hawaii today. I've read what people
have written in response to what he has written over time. It seems
people are really quick in burning him down, but less quick in wanting to talk
about the realities of what is going on here in Hawaii.

just my .25 for today.

[Miulang]

I think many of the elements of the message are true, but I'm not sure if the delivery of that message is one that persuades very many people to change their minds or want to react positively. In order to be successful, you not only have to have a truthful message, but you have to couch it in terms that allow others to feel like they have come to the same conclusions themselves, not try to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer and say just because you disagree with me, YOU'RE the one who's always wrong. The world, unfortunately, is not always so black and white, and the gift/art is to be able to differentiate between the different shades of gray.

Miulang

[tutusue]

I think many of the elements of the message are true, but I'm not sure if the delivery of that message is one that persuades very many people to change their minds or want to react positively.[...]Miulang
Bingo! Tact and diplomacy go a lot further than a sledgehammer.

[Konaguy]

I think many of the elements of the message are true, but I'm not sure if the delivery of that message is one that persuades very many people to change their minds or want to react positively.


Yes, you are absolutely right. But on the flip side it seems Tim gets hammered
for telling the truth. I've learned in my life, the truth hurts.It sems there is
a lot of people content to see the world through rosy colored glasses than deal
with reality.

[Miulang]

Yes, you are absolutely right. But on the flip side it seems Tim gets hammered
for telling the truth. I've learned in my life, the truth hurts.It sems there is
a lot of people content to see the world through rosy colored glasses than deal
with reality.
If people choose not to believe that something is the truth, then let them suffer the consequences of their choices. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

Miulang

[Konaguy]

If people choose not to believe that something is the truth, then let them suffer the consequences of their choices. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

Miulang

Well that wasn't exactly point, but I was trying to extrapolate to like how ineffective,corrupt,bureaucratic the government in Hawaii is overall. It seems
most people are content with the status quo. Hence my comment seeing the
world through rosy colored glasses.

[Miulang]

Well that wasn't exactly point, but I was trying to extrapolate to like how ineffective,corrupt,bureaucratic the government in Hawaii is overall. It seems
most people are content with the status quo. Hence my comment seeing the
world through rosy colored glasses.
That's kind of an oxymoronic statement. To me, MOST of government, regardless the level or the location, is corrupt in some way. Some governments are just more corrupt and allowed to get away with more than others (e.g., the White House :eek: ). And if we allow our National Government to run amuck, why should we expect lesser legislators not to do the same? Particularly in this society, where most people believe it's someone else's problem to fix, not their own.

Miulang

[manoasurfer123]

That's kind of an oxymoronic statement. To me, MOST of government, regardless the level or the location, is corrupt in some way. Some governments are just more corrupt and allowed to get away with more than others (e.g., the White House :eek: ). And if we allow our National Government to run amuck, why should we expect lesser legislators not to do the same? Particularly in this society, where most people believe it's someone else's problem to fix, not their own.

Miulang
Well put... and I would say our Government meaning Federal is less corrupt then
the majority of the nations out there just by the benefit of our Founding Fathers...
who were at the time... The Richest of the Rich.

They wrote the constitution which has burned many a politician since.

I can't think of any other country that has a constitution, less yet that has been so heavily protected over the years.

[manoasurfer123]

Well that wasn't exactly point, but I was trying to extrapolate to like how ineffective,corrupt,bureaucratic the government in Hawaii is overall. It seems
most people are content with the status quo. Hence my comment seeing the
world through rosy colored glasses.
You sure you don't mean blurry red eyes?

[Paul]

Most of what Tim has posted is his opinion reflective of a very conservative point of view. Show me one thing he has posted that is absolutely true. It's not his bluntess but his arrogance that most people don't like about him.

[timkona]

You folks are all too kind....thanks Aaron, Craig, Paul, Miulang, etc etc. I truly enjoy this forum.

In West Hawaii, the voters voted for Pilago, Isbell, and Jacobson over Rathman, Rosner, and Bates. Can you imagine if 3 grumpy, surly, cantankerous, beligerant(sp), foulmouthed, 6', 230 lb, smart guys were roaming the halls of Hawaii County Government?

Guarantee the old boy network of Hilo breathed a sigh of relief when Kona voted for 3 feel good, liberal, softies. I don't believe that Kona is getting exactly what they wanted from the folks they voted to the council. LOL

And I will try to tone down the arrogance and the truth telling so as to offend less in this forum.

[timkona]

I don't believe that I'm very conservative. I'm more of a RepubliCRAT. Why can't we have prayer in schools AND gay marriage?

Why can't we have a REAL war on terror by strangling Arab nations with technologies that don't require fossil fuels, instead of sucking the Arab oil-pipe like a 2 bit hooker on nickel night?

What's the problem with a CHOICE? Whether it's babies or criminals?

Why can't we build a bigolstinky aluminum smelter to promote recycling?

RepubliCRAT all the way.

[Leo Lakio]

Just to be sure we're clear on this point:

I don't dislike Timkona; I don't even know anything about the man beyond what his postings say. His knowledge of the political scene in his region, by rights, must go way beyond mine.

I don't want him to stop posting, either - whether or not I agree with him, I want to read what he has to say.

I take issue with the way he presents his viewpoints sometimes, using the word "truth" to define personal perspective, and deriding others for presenting their own (by his definition) "truths" - with which I would also find fault.

I sincerely hope he doesn't feel I am attacking HIM - just the way he presents his message by tearing other people's opinions down (sometimes.) If he wants to change something about his style based on what I have said, that's wonderful. But if not, that's fine, too. I won't think any more or less about him for it, and I suspect he isn't losing sleep over my opinions, either.

[kimo55]

true dat.
NO one knows "the truth", by nature a very subjective thing.
azz why I take exception to newspapers across our nation proclaiming in their mission statement; "we convey and offer the truth."
No; newspapers hopefully give us the facts.
The truth? noooo way hoe zay!

We can know "facts" but absolute truth? nope.

[MadAzza]

The truth, I can handle just fine.

It's with personal opinions professing to be "the truth" - that's where I have a problem.

Be it politics, religion, whatever - don't try to force-feed me your beliefs or values. You can present them to me as your own perspective, and I'll listen respectfully - you might even get me to change my mind about something, or see your point of view more clearly.

But start deriding me for having a different opinion than you, and you have just shut the door on reasonable discourse.

Ya know, I've noticed lately that people of a certain political persuasion on HT will *say* that ... but only as it relates to TimKona or others with whom they disagree. When those on the far left call *their* opinions as "truth," that doesn't seem to bother alla y'all … at all.

Same with the people who say, "Don't shove your values down my throat" — then they do the same thing, and expect taxpayers to cover it!

[MadAzza]

Most of what Tim has posted is his opinion reflective of a very conservative point of view. Show me one thing he has posted that is absolutely true. It's not his bluntess but his arrogance that most people don't like about him.

You don't speak for "most people." And you sure as hell don't speak for me.

Oooh, Tim's "conservative"! Why, that mean old BOOGEYMAN!

Eeeeeeeek! Hide the children!

[Leo Lakio]

When those on the far left call *their* opinions as "truth," that doesn't seem to bother alla y'all … at all.Thanks for pointing that out.

Please note that my complaints have been about how opinions are presented as "truths," or judged as "right/wrong" - qualifiers that should not be applied to opinions. Not so much about the opinions themselves, be they left, right, center, or not on the scale at all.

But I don't think you can say "alla y'all" --- there are certainly those on HT who will debate the points presented from the left side, too. It seems there are fewer posters here who tilt to the right, and some have pointed out their fear of being shouted down for their different opinions - which is why I have noted that neither perspective can be called "truth."

[Konaguy]

And I will try to tone down the arrogance and the truth telling so as to offend less in this forum.

Do not do that, it will play into their hands. I for one appreciate what you write
even though I may not agree with it.

[Konaguy]

Most of what Tim has posted is his opinion reflective of a very conservative point of view. Show me one thing he has posted that is absolutely true. It's not his bluntess but his arrogance that most people don't like about him.

I don't think Tim's views are conservative, they are simply middle of the road
view..Republicrat..which I fall into too. Gimme a break about showing evidence
what Tim is saying is true. I betcha I could, but I don't want to waste my time
doing that just to satisfy you. If you can't handle the heat get the **** out
of the kitchen.

[Konaguy]

Guarantee the old boy network of Hilo breathed a sigh of relief when Kona voted for 3 feel good, liberal, softies. I don't believe that Kona is getting exactly what they wanted from the folks they voted to the council. LOL


Exactly we got screwed, big time. I would figure things would be much more better if you got elected instead of Isbell.

[kimo55]

And I will try to tone down the arrogance and the truth telling so as to offend less in this forum.
solly cholly.
that's a redundancy.
they are one and the same.

[MadAzza]

solly cholly.
that's a redundancy.
they are one and the same.

Only if you disagree.

Stop compelling me to repeat myself!

[timkona]

Arrogance....what an interesting concept

In school, it was arrogant to score straight A's.

In adulthood, it is arrogant to be certain of the answer, or to say "I told you so" when things go wrong against your advice.

I find often that those who would paint others as arrogant are stupid.

I don't believe I have never accused anybody of arrogance, or been offended by arrogant behavior.

Truth and logic leave little room for gray areas. It is the gray area that the ignorant cling to like a life raft in a calm sea, within swimming distance of the shoreline.

[kimo55]

Stop compelling me to repeat myself!
Mandrake gestures hypnotically...

[timkona]

Exactly we got screwed, big time. I would figure things would be much more better if you got elected instead of Isbell.

I was running against Bob Jacobson in District 6 - S Kona, Kau, Volcano. But ol' Joe Rosner would have been a much better choice than Isbell. And Jim Rathman has had the Hilo power structure shakin in their boots before.

Aaron, I am sorry to say that West Hawaii will continue to get screwed big time. The basic reason for this is the popularity of nice-guy liberal politics. Don't say nothin. Don't stick your head up. Don't make waves. Be polite. Listen to the kupuna. Don't spill my rice bowl. Don't cause a scene. Don't ask any more tough questions. And so on. And so on. If people don't see the MASSIVE INEPTITUDE of liberal politics in Hawaii, then people aren't paying attention.

I think it would be fair to say the liberal leadership at the county level is as bad as conservative leadership at the national level.

[kimo55]

In adulthood, it is arrogant to say "I told you so" when things go wrong against your advice.

wot da hell adult would ever utter "I told you so" ?!

[MadAzza]

I would assume, as should you, that "I told you so" in this case is shorthand for whatever one might actually say in a particular situation.

[kimo55]

I don't do windows.
Nor do I don't do shorthand.

[Konaguy]

[I]
Aaron, I am sorry to say that West Hawaii will continue to get screwed big time. The basic reason for this is the popularity of nice-guy liberal politics. Don't say nothin. Don't stick your head up. Don't make waves. Be polite. Listen to the kupuna. Don't spill my rice bowl. Don't cause a scene. Don't ask any more tough questions. And so on. And so on. If people don't see the MASSIVE INEPTITUDE of liberal politics in Hawaii, then people aren't paying attention.


Exactly, I couldn't have said it any better.Until people wake up and smell the coffee we'll continue to get screwed.

[kimo55]

that's when the best screwin happens; before coffee...


(aaron, I saw ya open the door, i walked in.)

[Miulang]

Here's a good definition of arrogance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrogance_(game)) that I've never heard before. If one participated in it excessively, it would surely lead to someone making an ass out of themself! ;)

Miulang

[MadAzza]

that's when the best screwin happens; before coffee...


(aaron, I saw ya open the door, i walked in.)

Sharp stick ---> mind's eye

[kimo55]

Aye, mind that sharp sdick

[manoasurfer123]

I don't believe it's taken me this long to get a non dial up internet connection at home...

I guess I've been to spoiled at work....


Manoa

[Serenity]

If people choose not to believe that something is the truth, then let them suffer the consequences of their choices. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

Miulang

WOW!!. That's a good answer!!. Even though I am kind of late. :o

[Serenity]

I don't believe....The weather reporters on Television...

I can look outside at Manoa Valley and that can tell me what is going to happen for at least the next hour or two.


I don't believe... most email that is sent these days from people I don't know.

So much spam out there... I swear I get more spam mail then real mail at my work account... I actually received the BOH bogus phishing email letter twice!(and I have never given that account out to anyone but family)

First of, don't belive everything you see on tv, especially the weather. They are not always right.

Second, Do you ever belive that you can click down on your "message" & scroll down to "block Sender". & block the people &/or spams that you don't like?

I do that, & cut down all the spam I get, & plus if you go to your "History" button, there you can also delete all of the places you have looked at. That way you cut most of your spam with blocking & deleting your "history" sights you were at. ;)
Plus it helps BIG TIME to have a "pop up blocker" too. ;)

Hope that helps.

Aloha.

[Leo Lakio]

I don't believe it's taken me this long to get a non dial up internet connection at home...

I guess I've been to spoiled at work....

Manoa
You're not alone - I cancelled my CompuSpam dial-up account over two years ago, and haven't had any internet service at home since then.

That will change soon.

[manoasurfer123]

I don't believe that the National Heisman voters should over look Colt Brennan for the Heisman just because of Coach Jones offensive scheme.

I don't believe that we would lose to Bama or Boise St. this year had we played them at this time in the season.

I do believe we win the rest of our games this season and get listed in the top 17 in the country by the time the final polls come out.:eek:

[Got2HaVKaYaNoW]

First of all,

I don't believe I found my car and its in one peice

I don't believe that its going to be a hot winter like predicted.

I don't believe frogs taste just like chicken.

I don't believe PS3 is worth $3,000.00 like I saw the highest ebay bid was.

I don't believe Campbell's soups is Mmm.M.. Good.

I don't believe sliced bread is the best invention.

I don't believe 'thats just the ways things are'.

I don't believe in life after death.

I don't believe in a change in political parties in the HOUSE is going to make the US a better place.

I don't believe its time for me to go... :eek:

aloha,

KaYa T.