North Korea Practice????

[1stwahine]

I heard on CNN - N. Korea is planning to launch some guided missiles! :eek: So they got their warning. What is happening as far as us Normal Citizens? I mean...the idiot says the missiles will be able to reach the UNITED STATES!!!

hELLO???? Hawai'i is the first State to be reached. :confused:

Auntie Lynn :(

btw: It was great knowing all of you! I love everybody! :D

[helen]

I doubt it that the North Korea is going to put a live nuclear warhead in their test missile.

And I suspect that if they do launch it, they would make it down in the ocean as opposed to land.

[Miulang]

The US will have to rely on the powers of persuasion of the Japanese and the Communist Chinese in this one. We are considered a paper tiger in the eyes of the rest of the world. We don't have enough troops to send over to Korea to keep North Korea in check.The Japanese and the Communist Chinese and the South Koreans have way more to lose than we do. If it's gonna be a regional war, then let Asia duke it out....keep us out of it.

They have thus far tested a 2-stage missile (with a range far enough to get to Japan). Theoretically, they could have a 3-stage missile which could carry a warhead that would be able to reach the Mainland US. Helen's right. They will be testing the capability of the rockets that would carry the bombs, not the payloads (the bombs) themselves at this point.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

They were warned to not launch. Do you think they will abide by the warnings? If not. What steps or what will The United States and the rest of the countries in Asia do? :confused:

Auntie Lynn

[Miulang]

They were warned to not launch. Do you think they will abide by the warnings? If not. What steps or what will The United States and the rest of the countries in Asia do? :confused:

Auntie Lynn
My theory is the reason Kim Il Jung is acting up right now is because he's jealous of what Condoleeeeeeza is offering to Iran not to ramp up its atomic program. I think it's kinda funny that we offer incentives to a country which has no verifiable evidence of a nuclear capability (Iran) but won't do the same thing with a country that we KNOW has that capability (N. Korea). This is the mess we are in right now. :mad: And then the White House says we need to look at nuclear energy as an alternate fuel to wean overselves off our reliance on Middle East oil. Something is verrrry wrong with this picture. It's OK for us and our friends to be able to light houses with atomic energy, but any countries that aren't our friends can't have the same capability?

Miulang

[chriscollado]

The US will have to rely on the powers of persuasion of the Japanese and the Communist Chinese in this one. We are considered a paper tiger in the eyes of the rest of the world. We don't have enough troops to send over to Korea to keep North Korea in check.The Japanese and the Communist Chinese and the South Koreans have way more to lose than we do. If it's gonna be a regional war, then let Asia duke it out....keep us out of it.

They have thus far tested a 2-stage missile (with a range far enough to get to Japan). Theoretically, they could have a 3-stage missile which could carry a warhead that would be able to reach the Mainland US. Helen's right. They will be testing the capability of the rockets that would carry the bombs, not the payloads (the bombs) themselves at this point.

Miulang

Muilang,

Wow, ummm. You haven't read anything about the 2 Koreas in a while have you? They fought this war in the 50's called the Korean War and we have been there ever since.:D We have over 35,000 troops stationed in South Korea. The South Korean military is there too. Not much augmentation needed. We are no "paper tiger" in that region even with 35,000 troops. Our equipment is alot better than thiers too. :rolleyes:

[Miulang]

Muilang,

Wow, ummm. You haven't read anything about the 2 Koreas in a while have you? They fought this war in the 50's called the Korean War and we have been there ever since.:D We have over 35,000 troops stationed in South Korea. The South Korean military is there too. Not much augmentation needed. We are no "paper tiger" in that region even with 35,000 troops. Our equipment is alot better than thiers too. :rolleyes:
Chris...many of those troops stationed in Korea are waiting to be deployed to the Middle East, just like Lt. Watada was. It's just a matter of time... :(

Miulang

[chriscollado]

Chris...many of those troops stationed in Korea are waiting to be deployed to the Middle East, just like Lt. Watada was. It's just a matter of time... :(

Miulang

That name belongs in another forum.

As for the troops in South Korea, USFK is USFK. They are staying right where they are, trust me. Thats why they are called USFK. North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq ever was, only because their leader is a socio/psychopath. I take it you are not in any way associated with the US military. ;)

[War_Resisters_Canada]

The North Korean threat is very real. I am sorry to say your wrong, Muilang, but the troops stationed in South Korea will stay in South Korea. The Administration of the United States of America knows that right now they are in no position to make demands of the ROK. I agree that the People Republic of China and the Russian Federation are the only two nations that ROK will take seriously at this point. Now 1st Wahine you need to understand that this is only a single test of a missle which is just a show of force. In no way did the ROK say that it was going to attack the US. It is a purely political attack on the US.

[1stwahine]

Now 1st Wahine you need to understand that this is only a single test of a missle which is just a show of force. In no way did the ROK say that it was going to attack the US. It is a purely political attack on the US.

Chris, In my "first" post I brought the atention to fact that I "saw" the News on CNN. I know for a fact the DPRK is not launching live missles! :eek:

I may be pUpUle but I nut DUMB!!!! :p

Auntie Lynn

[War_Resisters_Canada]

I did not say they would be launching live missles anywhere in my response. I simply implied that through the use of a unarmed missle they are proving there military capability...

[chriscollado]

My theory is the reason Kim Il Jung is acting up right now is because he's jealous of what Condoleeeeeeza is offering to Iran not to ramp up its atomic program. I think it's kinda funny that we offer incentives to a country which has no verifiable evidence of a nuclear capability (Iran) but won't do the same thing with a country that we KNOW has that capability (N. Korea). This is the mess we are in right now. :mad: And then the White House says we need to look at nuclear energy as an alternate fuel to wean overselves off our reliance on Middle East oil. Something is verrrry wrong with this picture. It's OK for us and our friends to be able to light houses with atomic energy, but any countries that aren't our friends can't have the same capability?

Miulang

There IS verifiable evidence that they have a nuclear capability. We have satellite pictures of their facilities, and guess what? If your nuclear program was to be used in a civil fashion ie. for electricity, then why would you have AAA (Anit Aircraft Artillery) emplacements around it? We don't have AAA guarding our nuclear facilities.

"It's OK for us and our friends to be able to light houses with atomic energy, but any countries that aren't our friends can't have the same capability?"

You are damn right.

You obviously don't know anything about Kim-Jong-Il do you? This guy is crazy. He has his people believe that he is a god, he tells them that HE invented electricity and the television and how he is the protector of his people. That guy is insane.

As for Iran, their president is one of the people who kidnapped the U.S. Embassy workers and held them for almost 2 years and organized many of the "Death to the great Satan USA" marches. Now think about that for a minute. Do you want a country that you KNOW hates you building nukes?

It isn't our call if they can are allowed to have Atomic Energy, It is up to the UN. If the UN decides they can't have it then they cant have it?

[1stwahine]

I did not say they would be launching live missles anywhere in my response. I simply implied that through the use of a unarmed missle they are proving there military capability...

My Bad! :o Too early in da morning!

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Auntie Lynn ;)

btw: My son was stationed there too. My daughter was depolyed there when another crisis arose! Yep! I had three in War Zones at one time. No wonder I'm puPuLe!:rolleyes:

[chriscollado]

The North Korean threat is very real. I am sorry to say your wrong, Muilang, but the troops stationed in South Korea will stay in South Korea. The Administration of the United States of America knows that right now they are in no position to make demands of the ROK. I agree that the People Republic of China and the Russian Federation are the only two nations that ROK will take seriously at this point. Now 1st Wahine you need to understand that this is only a single test of a missle which is just a show of force. In no way did the ROK say that it was going to attack the US. It is a purely political attack on the US.

Who are we making demands to? Not the ROK they are our allies. DPRK would be the North. You don't read news.. Wow .. You're missing alot. They started this stunt because they want DIRECT talks with the U.S. The U.S. said no to direct talks and said that we can resume the 6 nation talks with them.

This is called a strong-arm tactic to get our attention. Read a little more.

[War_Resisters_Canada]

Like I said I find your children's service to be honourable to our great nation and his service in ROK contributed to the relative peace that region has had. However I still do not codone Iraq.

[1stwahine]

Like I said I find your children's service to be honourable to our great nation and his service in ROK contributed to the relative peace that region has had. However I still do not codone Iraq.

TTYL

I gotta go work.

Auntie Lynn :D

[War_Resisters_Canada]

Who are we making demands to? Not the ROK they are our allies. DPRK would be the North. You don't read news.. Wow .. You're missing alot. They started this stunt because they want DIRECT talks with the U.S. The U.S. said no to direct talks and said that we can resume the 6 nation talks with them.

This is called a strong-arm tactic to get our attention. Read a little more.

I meant Democratic People's Republic of Korea, secondly strong arm tactic yes now isn't that the same thing as a political attack hmmm... where did you go to school again...

[chriscollado]

I meant Democratic People's Republic of Korea, secondly strong arm tactic yes now isn't that the same thing as a political attack hmmm... where did you go to school again...

Oooooo.. You got me there.. yep you one-upped me..

What the hell are you babbling about? Political attack? I spent my entire career in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst and my AOR (Area of Responsibility) was the far East. So anything you want to say.... I'm game. I have plenty of knowledge on the region.

I obviously attended a better school than you. I know how to end my questions. If you are going to try and attack my intelligence you'd better be squared away in your delivery.

[Miulang]

Well, we've activated our missile system in Alaska (the one that has had about 50% success in previous testing) and the one at Barking Sands on Kauai ("just in case") and we've got this Naval exercise going on around the waters of Guam, and there's a Communist Chinese delegation observing the maneuvers. I guess we're in a pissing match with North Korea.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

I'm Baacckk! :D Pau work.

With all the technology America has...

"If" North Korea launches (their missiles) dead or alive ~ we'll shoot it down over their Coastline. :eek:

"Particle Beamed Weapons" ;)

Nuff said.

Auntie Lynn :)

[Miulang]

Well, the tests that have been done thus far on that missile system (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2566843.stm) have been less than spectacular. I think the odds of our being able to intercept a missile from North Korea before it hits US soil is significantly less than 100%.

Miulang

[pzarquon]

With all the technology America has... "If" North Korea launches (their missiles) dead or alive ~ we'll shoot it down over their Coastline.Have we ever successfully tested our missile defense/intercept systems (http://www.kirschfoundation.com/care/nuc_develop.html)? I mean, we've knocked one or two out, but if I recall correctly, many were severelyhandicapped tests -- we knew where and when the launch occurred, and in some tests, the target was broadcasting its location, or even flying at significantly reduced speeds. And we still missed a lot of the time.

There are a variety of ways to discourage N. Korea's test plans... but if they go ahead and launch, actually sabotaging the test (or, more likely, just trying but failing an intercept) will probably make a bigger mess than the one we'd have with just a splashdown. Even countries that don't like N. Korea would probably take issue with such direct action.

Not that such objections have stopped us before...

[1stwahine]

Hmmmm...only MI knows and those behind the scenes? ;)

I hope and pray it does work 100%.

I have faith in our United States of America!

I'm hungry for Fried Mandoo? :p

"Hang Yang" here I come!!!

Auntie Lynn :D

[helen]

Speaking for myself I don't see a problem with North Korea test firing a missle that they built. And so far they seem to be doing the right thing, as far as notify to the rest of the world that they are going to do it. As long as the flight doesn't attempt to hit somebody else's plane, ship or piece of real estate.

[1stwahine]

Wow! I just read this now in The StarBulletin.com.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/21/news/story07.html
"Japanese ship to participate in U.S. missile test off Kauai!"

"Today, the San Diego-based cruiser USS Shiloh will fire a Standard Missile 3 and try to intercept a drone missile midcourse in its flight northeast of Kauai fired from the facility.

It will be the eighth attempt at a missile intercept. Six of the previous seven flight tests had been successful with missiles fired from the Pearl Harbor-based cruiser USS Lake Erie."

However, the article also states "As part of the U.S. anti-ballistic missile shield, two Navy Aegis warships -- similar to the Lake Erie and the Shiloh -- are now patrolling the water near North Korea."

Unfortunately, they do not pocess the same interceptor missiles being tested on Kauai. :(

Auntie Lynn

[Miulang]

Wow! I just read this now in The StarBulletin.com.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/21/news/story07.html
"Japanese ship to participate in U.S. missile test off Kauai!"
They had to reschedule the test off Kauai for tomorrow, Tita. A small private boat got in the way of the firing range today.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

They had to reschedule the test off Kauai for tomorrow, Tita. A small private boat got in the way of the firing range today.

Miulang

Tita Miulang, I know I shouldn't be laughing but I am.

A small Private Boat? :confused:

Hala! We in trouble!!!!! :eek:

NOT. :p

Auntie Lynn :D

[helen]

However, the article also states "As part of the U.S. anti-ballistic missile shield, two Navy Aegis warships -- similar to the Lake Erie and the Shiloh -- are now patrolling the water near North Korea."

Unfortunately, they do not pocess the same interceptor missiles being tested on Kauai. :(
The way I read the article is that the job of those two ships is not to intercept the missile in flight but rather track the progress of the missile's flight.

A small Private Boat? :confused:

Hala! We in trouble!!!!! :eek:

Nope, it's the concept of range safety. The last thing someone needs is pieces of stuff from missiles colliding in mid-air to boats below that is not supposed to be there.

[Miulang]

I think we're mostly relying on the missiles that are siloed in Alaska to provide the protection. (We also have some silos in California). But the system has never been fully tested, and what tests there have been of the dummy missiles, they haven't been very accurate.

Miulang

[1stwahine]

They had to reschedule the test off Kauai for tomorrow, Tita. A small private boat got in the way of the firing range today.

Miulang

They (USA) practiced. The target was hit on the nose!

Yipeeeeeee! :D

More please! Practice makes Perrrrfect!


Auntie Lynn

[pzarquon]

CNN story here (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/06/23/navy.ustest/index.html) on the Kauai test, which involved the cooperation of a Japanese warship. Says that sea-based intercept system tests have succeeded seven out of eight times... compared to the five-out-of-ten record of land-based systems. So perhaps it's not as bad as I thought. Though at this point, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley says only that the $11 billion system has "some limited operational capability."

The U.S. test was scheduled long before all this brouhaha with North Korea, but it's lovely timing nonetheless. "Don't you dare conduct missle tests, Pyongyang," Uncle Sam says. "Now, everybody, check this out!"

I still think the possibility that we could knock down a N. Korean test missile doesn't mean that actually doing so (or trying to do so) would be the best response.

All countries, the U.S. included, test their military capabilities all the time. Our tests span oceans and involve several allies. But another country taking direct action to disrupt such tests (drills, wargames, etc.) would probably be interpreted as an unequivocably hostile act... and grounds for a response, which would prompt another response...

[helen]

Says that sea-based intercept system tests have succeeded seven out of eight times... compared to the five-out-of-ten record of land-based systems.
I think the land based interceptors were some time ago. So whatever pitfalls they experince they put to use in these series of test.

Besides the sea based interceptors were meant to protect Navy warships against missile attacks, not for the Navy warships to go against missiles that are aimed at far away targets. As an example a Navy ship with this system couldn't be deployed off the coast of Washington state to protect against missiles aimed at cities in the State of Iowa, whose flight path is coming from the North Pole.

[manoasurfer123]

Looks like they launched possibly 4 missles today...(2 for sure were reported in this article)

anyone think it's ironic that it's our independence day as well as the lift off of the space shuttle?

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

[Miulang]

Looks like they launched possibly 4 missles today...(2 for sure were reported in this article)

anyone think it's ironic that it's our independence day as well as the lift off of the space shuttle?

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea
Update: Apparently they DID attempt to launch that long-range Taepodong-2 (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060704/D8ILE1PG2.html) missile but it failed 30-40 seconds after liftoff. Here's a list of the North Korean missile arsenal (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060704/D8ILDASG2.html)...they got missiles for Japan, S. Korea and the US. :eek:

It'll be interesting to see what Japan does in light of the latest test of the Taepodong.

Miulang

P.S. as with the timing of the recorded exhortations of Osama bin Ladin, there is no such thing as a "coincidence". This is all being carefully choreographed to exploit each ideology's attempt to flex its muscles.

[SusieMisajon]

It seems that Kim has a sense of humour.

[timkona]

failed 30-40 seconds after liftoff

Remember when the funding for "Star Wars" was cut off. Congress stated they could no longer pay for it. The leftist media celebrated the failed Reagan idea.

Did you ever wonder if the reason funding was cut is because the system was finished?

Then the Korean missile blows up in 40 seconds.......... :rolleyes:

Those with a misunderstanding of technology will never believe how far things have truly come.

[pzarquon]

It seems that Kim has a sense of humour.I hope footage of the failed launch surfaces, and the world finds the missle exploded into a cascade of red, white and blue... or maybe formed a happy face or something.

[nachodaddy]

Uh.....thought you might wanna know where that missile was headed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10390199

You can kinda be assured that the testing off of Kauai recently should prevent this from ever hitting land.

Still scary.

[manoasurfer123]

We hearing it on the news...

So many people of Korean descent here... sad they would go after us.

However, it was just aimed at us... and you see what happened...

bachi...when backfire! no mess w/ us! :eek:

maybe they were thinking they can send their military trash to the waters off Hawaii...

I mean our own military did :eek:

[nachodaddy]

There is no such thing as "coincidence" just good intel.

The recent activity off the Hawaiian coast should help you see that.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-06-21-voa56.cfm

Plus, a AEGIS equipped Japanese destroyer, the Kirishima, was standing by.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Japan_To_Bring_Aegis_Missile_Defense_Warship_Home_ Amid_North_Korean_Crisis_999.html

Coincidence???

Sleep well tonight. Someone thinks you are worth protecting.

[MadAzza]

We hearing it on the news...

So many people of Korean descent here... sad they would go after us.

Since when does the Kim Jong-il care about *any* Koreans — North, South or elsewhere?

And if Hawaii had no people of Korean ancestry, would an attack by North Korea be OK, then?

What's really sad is that the people of North Korea have to live under that megalomaniac.

[U'ilani]

Thank goodness his missile technology is so old (http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060707/3/2mty8.html)!

[1stwahine]

In today's StarBulletin http://starbulletin.com/2006/07/07/news/story02.html
"Report: N. Korea targeted Hawaii"

"North Korea targeted waters near Hawaii when it fired a long-range missile this week, according to a Japanese newspaper report that isle military officials immediately downplayed."

"The U.S. Pacific Command could not verify the report," said Navy Capt. Jeff Alderson, spokesman for the Commander in Chief of the Pacific. "The U.S. Pacific Command continues to pay attention to the situation."

I slept good last night...I know somebody is watching over us! ;)

Auntie Lynn :D

[Mahi Waina]

If the missile hits the south coast of Maui, then it's pau Hana.

Anywhere, and we're in deep Kim-chee.

[timkona]

Hawaii is rife with pacifists, liberals, and anti-military feelings. Here in South Kona, it's practically a religion.

If I was a brutal, crazed dictator, I can think of no better place to aim my weapons for practice.

[Nalu]

Hawaii is rife with pacifists, liberals, and anti-military feelings. Here in South Kona, it's practically a religion.

If I was a brutal, crazed dictator, I can think of no better place to aim my weapons for practice.

Another idiotic statement :rolleyes:

Hawai'i is a target because of the very presence of the US Military here, not inspite of it.

[Miulang]

I find it rather odd that the White House has reversed its usual "let's hit them before they hit us" strategy with regard to North Korea. Everywhere else, we've looked for excuses to attack the other country if they pulled something like this (and often if they did less than test firing ICBMs). Could it be that North Korea has nothing to exploit (like oil) that we need? Is that why we're resorting to diplomacy and working with the UN Security Council this time? :rolleyes: And since China and Russia (2 of the more powerful members of the UN Security Council) refuse to talk about economic sanctions against North Korea, what is the next diplomatic move?

Miulang

[Nalu]

I find it rather odd that the White House has reversed its usual "let's hit them before they hit us" strategy with regard to North Korea. Everywhere else, we've looked for excuses to attack the other country if they pulled something like this (and often if they did less than test firing ICBMs). Could it be that North Korea has nothing to exploit (like oil) that we need? Is that why we're resorting to diplomacy and working with the UN Security Council this time? :rolleyes: And since China and Russia (2 of the more powerful members of the UN Security Council) refuse to talk about economic sanctions against North Korea, what is the next diplomatic move?

Miulang


I believe the Bush administration's cautiousness with North Korea may have something to do with Kim Jong Il being the loose cannon that he is, and the fact that Millions of South Koreans are within artillery range of the DPRK. I do believe that the war with Iraq had something to do with oil (Saddam's decision to use the Euro for Oil trading instead of the dollar) but North Korea is an entirely different entity because any conflict with the DPRK will have a tremendous affect on South Korea.

[sinjin]

I found this enlightening:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm

[Adri]

I find it rather odd that the White House has reversed its usual "let's hit them before they hit us" strategy with regard to North Korea. Everywhere else, we've looked for excuses to attack the other country if they pulled something like this (and often if they did less than test firing ICBMs). Could it be that North Korea has nothing to exploit (like oil) that we need? Is that why we're resorting to diplomacy and working with the UN Security Council this time? :rolleyes: And since China and Russia (2 of the more powerful members of the UN Security Council) refuse to talk about economic sanctions against North Korea, what is the next diplomatic move?

Miulang

I suspect that the US administration has boxed itself in with its actions in Iraq. Our military is stretched and I think we'd be in real trouble if we faced heavy military action in North Korea as well as the middle east. Also, if we attack another country without first being directly attacked (especially preemptively and especially after Iraq), I think we'd have no one standing beside us in the world community. Politically, we'd look pretty much like unstable, insane warmongerers and most other countries would worry or speculate about who we'd attack next or whether we're going to attack them next. So we have to try harder with diplomacy now than we might have before the current military action in Iraq. I also think there's increasing speculation that we only attack countries we think Don't have weapons of mass destruction (thus the impetus for Iran to develop some in a hurry). I'm not saying that last one is factually correct, just that I've seen a fair amount of speculation over it.

I know most are saying that the North Korea missile tests were a failure but I wonder if it's true. Some small part of me wonders if 1) they never intended to hit land, because if they did that would be a pretty irrevocable step towards war; and 2) if they're lulling us into thinking they're not as prepared as they might be. and even if they missiles did not perform as one might expect in actual use, the tests probably gave the North Korean military and scientists info on how to make it better (for them).