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  • #16
    Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

    Originally posted by buzz1941 View Post
    Notice that the maintenance guy, the moment he realizes what's happened, tries to reopen the elevator door but the elevator is already into its cycle.
    Notice that it he appears to give up and not go back to try and chase the thief.

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    • #17
      Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

      If you put up something like a wreath without securing it, expect some scum to steal it. The company can afford the 'huge' loss and the video now has them under duress, mission accomplished. But it would be nice to have the woman pilloried in the town square for a day or two. Do this for crimes and watch uncivility deminish significantly. Hello taggers!
      https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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      • #18
        Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

        Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
        [...]But it would be nice to have the woman pilloried in the town square for a day or two.[...]
        She's being cyber-pilloried on YouTube, in social media and in the news for longer than a day or 2! How humiliating. Karma, baby...

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        • #19
          Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

          Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
          Notice that it he appears to give up and not go back to try and chase the thief.
          Too late, he's on a different floor.
          Burl Burlingame
          "Art is never finished, only abandoned." -- Leonardo Da Vinci
          honoluluagonizer.com

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          • #20
            Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

            Compared to the bunch that recently stole tons of stuff while completely busted on camera and now facing charges, this wreath was nothing.
            https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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            • #21
              Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

              I haven't heard of anything new regarding the wreath, but even more info to come soon regarding the Toys R Us theft at Windward Mall.

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              • #22
                Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                Originally posted by bueller555 View Post
                I haven't heard of anything new regarding the wreath, but even more info to come soon regarding the Toys R Us theft at Windward Mall.
                Other than both occurring this holiday season, I don't think there's much in the way of similarity between both of these crimes.

                The Toys R Us case involves merchandise that was described as being worth more than a $1000, so we're talking about felony theft charges, not misdemeanors.

                The toy store was victimized by a group consisting of one male and 5 females. So this isn't a "spur of the moment" thing. They conspired and planned this out.

                You have to love the way the attorney puts his spin on the story.

                "They know they're going to have to turn themselves in so it says a lot about them," said Breiner. "They recognize they have a responsibility to the community, to themselves and more importantly to their children."
                Uhhh, they turned the stolen toys over to the attorney because they were caught red-handed on camera and were facing arrest. GMAB! It has nothing to do with them suddenly developing any sense of responsibility. Had they successfully evaded the cameras and gotten away with their misdeed, they would not have returned the goods.

                "Frankly they're single moms with kids," said Breiner. "If you look at what they took, nothing in here is for an adult, it's all for children basically under 10 years of age. That's no excuse. That's just the reality of it."
                "It's sad that this is what they felt compelled to do to meet the needs and the expectations of their children and their families," he said. "The public knows this is not an excuse it's merely a reflection on our times."
                Twice, this attorney says he's not making excuses for his prospective clients. And yet, that is exactly what he does.

                It will be up to Toys R Us to decide whether to press charges against this group. But if it is revealed that this same group has been involved with other thefts, one would hope that the toy store chain will pursue charges in order to put a stop to their wave of crime and to protect other merchants. At the very least, all the adults involved need to log in some community service. Single parent, unemployed,.... doesn't matter. There's no way they should get off scot-free for what they did.
                Last edited by Frankie's Market; December 26, 2011, 08:43 PM.
                This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.

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                • #23
                  Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                  The wreath was returned. From KHON's Facebook status update:

                  "A wreath taken from a Kapahulu office building was returned over the weekend.The theft was caught on camera the elevator at the Prudential Locations Building.Prudential said it would not file a police report.The wreath was returned to a security guard along with a written apology.Prudential has not yet decided if it will re-hang the wreath.
                  Source: www.khon2.com
                  Published: 2011-12-27 07:52:00 GMT"

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                  • #24
                    Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                    Originally posted by tutusue View Post
                    returned over the weekend
                    Before or after Christmas? (IOW, before they were done with it?)

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                    • #25
                      Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                      Maybe the ghosts of Christmas past visited all of these people and they each had their own epiphanies?


                      Originally posted by tutusue View Post
                      The wreath was returned. From KHON's Facebook status update:

                      "A wreath taken from a Kapahulu office building was returned over the weekend.The theft was caught on camera the elevator at the Prudential Locations Building.Prudential said it would not file a police report.The wreath was returned to a security guard along with a written apology.Prudential has not yet decided if it will re-hang the wreath.
                      Source: www.khon2.com
                      Published: 2011-12-27 07:52:00 GMT"

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                      • #26
                        Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                        Originally posted by bueller555 View Post
                        Maybe the ghosts of Christmas past visited all of these people and they each had their own epiphanies?
                        Thread drift possibly but...
                        And don't we all at this time of year? Yikes!
                        Life is either an adventure... or you're not doing it right!!!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                          Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
                          If she's entitled to the wreath, then all is good and distributing the video was a mistake. If she's not entitled to it, then her body language is all the more galling. She certainly seems to think she's entitled.

                          But the news reports indicate that she wasn't entitled to it.

                          I agree with FM. I think she decided previously to take it. There's no obvious hesitation or decision process on her part. She goes for it.

                          I am not shocked at all about the lady's casual, smug attitude regarding this theft.


                          She has probably stolen things before....and probably in a similar manner.


                          Repeated behavior becomes natural.



                          Also, when you steal something...thieves say the best way is to be 100% relaxed and confident.

                          That way, your body language will not give yourself away to others that you are in fact, committing a crime.


                          Just like how those people at Toys R Us strolled out the door...calm, relaxed, smiling.

                          If I had walked by, I would have assumed they bought the items.



                          If you see someone running, looking nervous, scared....now THAT's going to attract attention.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                            Originally posted by pumpkinboy View Post
                            If I had walked by, I would have assumed they bought the items.
                            Even at 3am?
                            https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                            • #29
                              Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                              Earlier, I said that the Toys R Us theft has little in relation to the Xmas Wreath incident. But I couldn't help but make some comments to the latest revelations re: the toy thieves.

                              Toys R Us thieves linked to TV theft at Walmart

                              Recall local attorney Myles Breiner's involvement in the case. Breiner, imagining himself as some kind of legal savior for these poor, disadvantaged criminals, had this to say when 4 of the 6 shoplifters turned themselves in.

                              24 items in all.

                              "We think that covers everything," said Breiner.
                              Nope. HPD claims that 20 more items are still missing from the store's inventory, some of which are indentifiable on the security camera footage.

                              Mr. Breiner, it appears that your clients are holding out on you. Not a good way to plead a lesser sentence in court, huh?

                              Breiner is helping the group pro bono.
                              You're representing this shoplifting ring "pro bono?" LOL!!! Now that your clients are being linked to another major theft, I'll wager that deep down inside, you're regretting your decision to represent these crooks.

                              Did you make the pro bono offer for the publicity? Well, the publicity you'll be getting will be mostly negative for yourself, representing defendants who will generate little to no sympathy from the general public.

                              When asked what he thinks should happen to his clients, Breiner replied: "They should be treated fairly. They returned the items. The items that were stolen were all for children. All the items were wrapped as gift packages."
                              The items were stolen for the children? LOL! Since when is it the norm to give a young child a 40" flat-screen TV as a Xmas gift?

                              Face it, Mr. Breiner. Nobody in their right mind will buy into your sob story about those chronic shoplifters stealing in order to give Xmas gifts to their kids. Anyone with half a brain knows they were planning to fence the merchandise.

                              Breiner says the group is hoping for no jail time, just probation and or community service.

                              "I don't think jail is appropriate under these circumstances, especially if they're single mothers then you're going to have children that are going to become the custody of Child Protective Services," said Breiner.
                              Are you kidding me??? Until those single mothers are able to straighten out their act, putting their children under the care of CPS is probably the best thing for those kids. Sorry to break the news to ya, Mr. Breiner. But this is one case where the public will not shed a single tear for a parent losing custody of their child to CPS.

                              I just love it when self-aggrandizing attorneys get their comeuppance.
                              This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Christmas Wreath Thief

                                Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                                Did you make the pro bono offer for the publicity? Well, the publicity you'll be getting will be mostly negative for yourself, representing defendants who will generate little to no sympathy from the general public.
                                The question is what market is he intending to target?
                                Last edited by helen; December 30, 2011, 09:51 PM. Reason: fixing the quote tag

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