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  • #16
    Re: Horrible commercial

    Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
    OK I'll bite.

    "the invasion of the infamous Mouse, now the legal creator and owner of a traditional chant"

    How can Disney(?) be the creator of a traditional chant? If they copyrighted an existing chant, that is egregious.

    Not sure of that mouse quote. I suggest emailing ilio and querying. Enter into a discussion with them. Might be good.

    The patent and trademark office is largely ignorant of this, apparently new to many people, concept: cultural intellectual property rights.
    (altho they should be the first to recognize it.)
    They allowed someone to register:
    Ku and Lono Enterprises.
    So, again, we see the american machine isn't lacking in the egregious department.


    But thanks for sharing your perspective. It is good to see how others feel about this. helps in the elucidation of our... (ahem...) cause, as it were.
    Last edited by kimo55; April 12, 2005, 10:20 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Horrible commercial

      Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
      ...and I still think all this sucks the fun out of life some how no matter who is doing it.

      Hawaii, ... it's just another place, diminished possibly by a people looking to capitalize on their ancestry or taking themselves so seriously by trying to keep others from doing so. I see these efforts as ultimately damaging Hawaii’s reputation.
      well, ok, sound logical, but from an american's point of view. Not from someone raised for may decades here. Not to an islander. Not to many kama'aina. Just be ready for some native Pacific islanders to say, "well, that's a mainland point of view; that we take ourselves too seriously by trying to stop the runaway commercialisation of Polynesian culture. And maybe we aren't happy with seeing our culture become a big goofy fun colorful carefree escape land that you can unload at and on, then return to your un-fun existence. (figuratively and literally)
      And native Hawaiians are in no way "capitalising on their ancestry". They are protecting it. No sarcasm and no offense meant, but this is really a mainlander's way of looking at it.
      Spin or no spin, I just haveta share from my experience and the mana'o shared with me; so many people here don't like the direction this junk has been going.
      Maybe they want Hawaii to develop a different "reputation".
      Last edited by kimo55; April 12, 2005, 11:03 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Horrible commercial

        Originally posted by kimo55
        But thanks for sharing your perspective. It is good to see how others feel about this. helps in the elucidation of our... (ahem...) cause, as it were.
        No problem. Any time you want an honest haole opinion you know where to go...come, I should say. I'll try to turn that pie in the face into lemonade, to mix a metaphor

        My farm - Kona Mist Coffee

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        • #19
          Re: Horrible commercial

          Originally posted by kimo55
          ...
          Maybe they want Hawaii to develop a different "reputation".
          I think maybe you need to take that up with the kama'aina that depend on tourism.

          My farm - Kona Mist Coffee

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          • #20
            Re: Horrible commercial

            sorry, helen or admin, for not taking this to the other subject thread.

            http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=4731
            (which morphed into a chinatown thread!)

            don't know how to move it...

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            • #21
              Re: Horrible commercial

              Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
              I think maybe you need to take that up with the kama'aina that depend on tourism.

              well, you see, that's a sticky wicket.
              just as sovereignty, there are no cut and dried answers.
              and the dependence of the islands on the military, too.
              necessary... well... evils, if you will. (not necessary in other's minds) How to balance all the needs. where to draw the line.
              That's what more public discussion can maybe come to. A better understanding of what Hawaii is and needs.
              and NOT from the Hawaii Tourist Authority and chamber of commerce only.

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              • #22
                Re: Horrible commercial

                I have got to say, this forum is soooo much better than Konaweb (even though they don't use member ratings)

                This thread would have been deleted yesterday, there, for being too negative.

                My farm - Kona Mist Coffee

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                • #23
                  Re: Horrible commercial

                  Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
                  I have got to say, this forum is soooo much better than Konaweb

                  oh yea, KonaBob!

                  fun videos. cool site.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Horrible commercial

                    Originally posted by kimo55
                    sorry, helen or admin, for not taking this to the other subject thread.

                    http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?t=4731
                    (which morphed into a chinatown thread!)

                    don't know how to move it...
                    With the exception of the admin (at least to my knowledge) no one can move threads to other forums (I suspect Mel can but only within the Hawaii Media forum).

                    I PM Ryan eariler this evening about this situation and suggested to move responses #48 and later to some other forum in HawaiiThreads.

                    In the meantime I would suggest that either you or DaveNSoKona create a new thread in "Melting Pot" and continue the discussion there, sooner or later the ones here will be moved to that new thread. Let's keep this topic back to "Horrible Commericals".

                    Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
                    This thread would have been deleted yesterday, there, for being too negative.
                    Deleted no. Moved to another thread on another forum in HawaiiThreads is it's future. Let's face it one, two, maybe three off-topic post to a thread is not going to kill a thread, but fourteen in a row?
                    Last edited by helen; April 13, 2005, 12:07 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Horrible commercial

                      Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
                      I have got to say, this forum is soooo much better than Konaweb (even though they don't use member ratings) This thread would have been deleted yesterday, there, for being too negative.
                      And even this site is tame by comparison to others... Which tells ya I had to tame it down some to be allowed membership in this asylum...

                      e.g.; here's a standard typical exchange on another board I frequent:


                      ----


                      "Re: New Members
                      « Reply #1245 on: 04/12/2005 at 13:07:03 »

                      on 04/12/2005 at 10:30:40, **** wrote:

                      I just want to say hello to all the new people. Now go DIE.

                      *******

                      I'm an administrator of this board so I feel it is my duty to say that that was very funny.

                      And welcome to all you new meat. We are all very nice but that doesn't mean that you get to avoid the extremely malicious and bloody initiation. Who's first?"

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                      • #26
                        Re: Horrible commercial

                        Originally posted by DaveNSoKona
                        No problem. Any time you want an honest haole opinion you know where to go...come, I should say. I'll try to turn that pie in the face into lemonade, to mix a metaphor
                        More properly "one haole opinion". I'm unreliable when it comes to the having the typical "haole" or "mainlander" opinion. Btw I own the rights to "haole opinion". Pay up.
                        “First we fought the preliminary round for the k***s and now we’re gonna fight the main event for the n*****s."
                        http://hollywoodbitchslap.com/review...=416&printer=1

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