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Old May 18th, 2011, 08:42 PM
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It's called taking responsibility for one's own actions. He cannot blame his actions on his wife and neither should you! HE is the one who stepped out of his vows. If one or the other person in a marriage is living in a (usually self-created) "hell on earth", they should take advantage of the legal procedure called DIVORCE.
No argument. We are in accord. I regret my comments were misleading.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 02:17 PM
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So Maria seems to have hired a divorce attorney, I think she may have even filed. Sad. No sympathy to Arnold, of course, but having seen the horrible stress divorce puts on kids...well lets just say the kids don't deserve it one bit. If there is any way Maria can forgive Arnold enough to at least keep the marriage together on paper, and to maintain a home for the children, she would be saving the children a ton of grief and pain. In a similar situation Mrs. Clinton was able to forgive Bill, although there was no pregnancy involved. The kids are innocent, their world is being torn apart in front of their eyes. Its the kind of hurt that harms a whole life.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 03:02 PM
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Those celebrity kids have either been brought up properly or not. If they have, no problem, they can always drive, or be driven, in their new Lambo's to see daddy with his newest bimbos. If not, they were doomed from the start. BTW, anybody see today's Luckowich? "I am back from the future to kick myself in the butt".

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Old May 19th, 2011, 05:22 PM
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[...]No sympathy to Arnold, of course, but having seen the horrible stress divorce puts on kids...well lets just say the kids don't deserve it one bit. If there is any way Maria can forgive Arnold enough to at least keep the marriage together on paper, and to maintain a home for the children, she would be saving the children a ton of grief and pain.[...]
I dunno, Kalalau. This is a subject with which I have first hand experience. The only thing worse for the kids than divorce is staying together for their sake in a loveless marriage fraught with a lack of respect and trust. It's a very poor example to set for the 2 younger children who still live at home and, more than likely, it would be a home filled with tension. I'm assuming the 2 older children are on their own but I could be wrong.

Something else to consider is that all the dirty laundry is being aired in the media for the 4 (now 5) children to see, hear and read. There's no keeping the down and dirty details from the kids.

The kids are the biggest losers and lose, no matter what. There's no way around it. It appears to me that Arnold didn't care. He thought of his p3n!$ before he thought of his family. And there's in-their-face evidence that dates back 13 years. His wife and his mistress were pregnant at exactly the same time and delivered within 5 days of each other. I'm amazed and disappointed that the maid continued to work in the household. Personally, I feel it's best to cut the collateral damage.

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Old May 19th, 2011, 08:26 PM
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Old May 19th, 2011, 08:36 PM
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Both matapule and uaifi got a good laugh from that one, Ron!
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Old May 20th, 2011, 12:57 PM
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heh heh, I'd not heard it before and wanted to claim it even tho it's got to be an oldie, only SO obvious. Here's where I got it from http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/...arzenegger-ii/

...and then I see this from just the other day http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/...chwarzenegger/ ...at least I'm in great company!
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I dunno, Kalalau. This is a subject with which I have first hand experience. The only thing worse for the kids than divorce is staying together for their sake in a loveless marriage fraught with a lack of respect and trust.
Yeah, I think you're onto something Tutu Sue. I'm just glad we have someone else leading California now.
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Old May 20th, 2011, 01:57 PM
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The only thing worse for the kids than divorce is staying together for their sake in a loveless marriage fraught with a lack of respect and trust.
A foundation is one thing, but a false sense of security is another. Children need that foundation to grow up okay. Whether that foundation is two parents or a single one, it is a foundation. But to base your family's foundation on one that isn't true will break a child.

I agree with you that a couple shouldn't stay together for the sake of the kids. They may feel secure but in the end when the marriage ends, the child will feel as if their entire childhood was a lie. It will have an emotional impact on the well-being of that person as they enter adulthood.

Children in failing marriages can be quite resiliant and understanding, but when they must face the reality that their childhood memories of a fun happy family was based on a lie, that realization can be quite devastating.

Even if that marriage resulted in hatred and anger in which that child must endure, that perspective will determine that child's view on life and society in general.

Better to end the marriage early and let the kids heal with more time to do so.

As for Arnold...Didn't Shriver know he was a porn star when he first came to America? That speaks volumes! Or did most of us simply forget?
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Old May 20th, 2011, 02:18 PM
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I have loved my step brothers and step sister for decades. They were the victims of a hateful divorce and they all were hurt by it. The older step brother has been an alcoholic since age 14, the other step brother lived in a childish fantasy world until an aneurism killed him at age 42, by which time he had become a Nazi, a real live Nazi, and he had been such a nice kid. The step sister, a gem of a human being, has probably gained and lost over 1500 pounds during her life. A family is a nurturing nest, its a welcoming warm refuge of love and safety for kids. Yes Arnold absolutely owed it to those kids to think of them before launching his love rocket. It may be that Maria cannot ever forgive him for his transgression, but if she could possibly bring herself to forgive him, or at least put on a good face for the benefit of the kids, she would be doing them a big favor.
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Old May 20th, 2011, 02:20 PM
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As for Arnold...Didn't Shriver know he was a porn star when he first came to America? That speaks volumes! Or did most of us simply forget?
I don't think I ever knew that...possibly because I never followed Arnold's career.
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Didn't Shriver know he was a porn star when he first came to America?
He was kinda in porn, but it was a 'short' career that didn't much 'staying power', thus not a star.
And shallow Maria didn't care about anything but his bod. Her friends asked what she saw in him prior to the marriage, "Havn't you seen his body?!".
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[...]Her friends asked what she saw in him prior to the marriage, "Havn't you seen his body?!".
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The Bible has a word for the kind of man who would father a child by a member of his household staff. And that word is "Abraham."
Apples and oranges.

Abraham conceived his eldest child (Ishmael) with his Egyptian slave (Hagar)..... but with the full knowledge and consent of his wife, Sarah. As a matter of fact, it was Sarah's idea to use Hagar as a surrogate as she thought (at the time) that she was too old to bear a child for her husband.

Ahh-nold, OTOH, kept the birth of his illegitimate child secret from Maria Shriver for 14 years.
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Old May 27th, 2011, 09:18 AM
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Apples and oranges.
Since you chose to leave off the attribution in my post:
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Since you chose to leave off the attribution in my post:I suggest you take your "argument" up with him.
There's nothing to argue about. I'm just stating facts.

Since you thought it was relevant to post this tweet in this forum, I responded in this forum.

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And perhaps grow a sense of humor.
Equating a philanderer (like Arnold) to any man who has to conceive a child with a surrogate because his wife is infertile,.... you find that funny?

Try telling that one to a couple who is experiencing that situation and see how many laughs you get.
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Interesting how often you equate the discussion of a celebrity's transgressions (or even discussion of the discussion) as being as criminal an act as the transgression itself.

But the bottom line, FM, is that I really don't give a whit whether or not you feel my posts live up to your particular moral standards, or personal b.s. meter, or whatever drives your sense of judgment.

Have all the arguments you like about it with yourself; your style of trolling for flames doesn't interest me.
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,.... you find that funny?
Yeah, I did! I find almost all the postings on HT funny if not absurd.......including yours truly!
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Arnold Schwarzenegger didn’t just bang his housekeepers all the time, while he was married to a woman apparently living in the same house. Arnold also had “CHP Dignitary Protection Services” officers deliver hot young club girls to the Hyatt in Sacramento where he lived while governatin’ and fornicatin’. This, according to political journals including the Daily Mail and National Enquirer, happened constantly. Some people just should not be allowed to have free time.

The Daily Mail reports that the California attorney general — who used to be Jerry Brown, but now Jerry Brown is the governator, and we are hoping his whoring days are over — is going to press charges against Arnold for using the bankrupt state’s money and employees and police to hide his liaisons.

‘On three different occasions after the governor arrived alone at the Hyatt regency, CHP Dignitary Protection Services arrived in their official vehicles – black Ford Crown Sedans – about one to two hours later with one or two young female adults.

‘They’d hurriedly escort the women through the service entrance on the second floor parking garage to the elevator that went to the governor’s private wing.

‘The women looked between 18 to 25 years old, blonde and scantily dressed in club wear.’



So there was quite a bit more than an isolated fling with a house keeper. No wonder Maria is furious. The guy was an utter jerk. And wouldn't it be fine to see him prosecuted for abusing state funds to escort his hospitality ladies about.
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Yeah, I did! I find almost all the postings on HT funny if not absurd.......including yours truly!
Actually, I feel rather silly now. I mean, I posted a tweet that was obviously a joke (well, obvious to most, considering its author's name), but FM topped me with a much more subtle form of humor.

Posting a tale from biblical times and referring to its details as "facts" - now THAT is real humor!
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Apples and oranges.

Abraham conceived his eldest child (Ishmael) with his Egyptian slave (Hagar)..... but with the full knowledge and consent of his wife, Sarah. As a matter of fact, it was Sarah's idea to use Hagar as a surrogate as she thought (at the time) that she was too old to bear a child for her husband.
Naw, it's quite obvious the writer was just covering for Abraham's philandering (It's a story, not history). Bananas in both cases.
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So there was quite a bit more than an isolated fling with a house keeper. No wonder Maria is furious. The guy was an utter jerk.
Like I said... and got utterly flamed for.
Boys tend to act like boys. It's a biological survival imperative.

That doesn't make us less 'jerks,' it shows we haven't evolved beyond our now-unnecessary biology. (i.e., we don't need more people on the planet!)
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But the bottom line, FM, is that I really don't give a whit whether or not you feel my posts live up to your particular moral standards, or personal b.s. meter, or whatever drives your sense of judgment.

Have all the arguments you like about it with yourself; your style of trolling for flames doesn't interest me.
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Actually, I feel rather silly now. I mean, I posted a tweet that was obviously a joke (well, obvious to most, considering its author's name), but FM topped me with a much more subtle form of humor.

Posting a tale from biblical times and referring to its details as "facts" - now THAT is real humor!
While someone works himself out of a self-inflicted tizzy,....

Ahhh-nold is reportedly being investigated by the California AG's office amid allegations that he may have used the state police force to cover-up his extramarital affairs while he was the governor. And (yawn!) another woman has come forth with stories about a steamy affair with Schwarzie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5WAT...layer_embedded

Me thinks Gigi Goyette is just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame that her showbiz career did not give her.
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Old May 27th, 2011, 07:31 PM
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"Jerk"...I do think it applies in this case. An isolated fling, even one or two, is one thing, but habitually is just wrong, it obviously endangers the marriage, it obviously will hurt the children who are about as innocent in this mess as its possible to be. It was reckless and cruel and selfish and childish. Yes men are wired to spread the DNA around, we know that, we accept that, its true of most males of most species, but we have our phase of sewing our wild oats, then we settle down and many of us become Fathers, a role that requires loving attentiveness to the growing flesh of our loins that relies upon us for very existence. I don't blame Maria for kicking the bum out. I always disagreed with Arnold politically but respected him as a human being (which you might have noticed, I never did regarding gw bush...like he could ever care) and these allegations of betrayal of his wife and the flesh of his loins are so bad I can't respect him as a human being, as a man, certainly not as a father. Shame, disgrace.
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