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  • #16
    Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

    Oh Mel, I'm not slamming you. Can't you see that I AGREE with you about the malfeasance of your former Mayor? Can't you see that I symphathize with all the people who are being taxed senseless? I don't advocate raising taxes for the sake of raising taxes. But you give me a coherent plan to fix your sewers without increasing your sewer taxes and I'd agree with you on that, too.


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    • #17
      Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

      Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming have no income tax. Washington, as Miulang tells us, has made up for that loss in other ways. Texas isn't noted for its education and health care. Alaska, Wyoming and SD have tiny populations. Nevada gets the bulk of its income (I'm guessing) from taxes on casinos. Florida I don't know about; I can only guess it's got humongous room taxes on hotels to make up for the shortfall.

      Mel, we all feel squeezed by taxes, but do you really want us to be Texas, Wyoming or South Dakota?
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      • #18
        Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

        Originally posted by Miulang
        Can't you see that I symphathize with all the people who are being taxed senseless? I don't advocate raising taxes for the sake of raising taxes.
        You are advocating the rail tax (GE Tax Increase) which impacts everyone in Hawaii in some way or another.

        That coupled with the increased sewer fee (tax) on top of the taxes we already pay makes the cost of living more expensive. This is what you tax and spend liberals want? To make our cost of living more expensive?

        That seems to be the agenda. Build this, tax us more. Build that, tax us more. Even without building you liberals still want to levy more taxes upon the population.

        Enough is enough.

        Rail... do we need it? NO!
        Can we afford it? Definitely not!
        Will the city be able to maintain it? I seriously doubt it.

        Rail will only create another expensive boondoggle that Hawaii taxpayers cannot afford to live with.

        Stop the tax train....


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        • #19
          Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

          Originally posted by Linkmeister
          Mel, we all feel squeezed by taxes, but do you really want us to be Texas, Wyoming or South Dakota?
          What you tax and spend liberals want to do is squeeze even more taxes OUT of us! We should be entitled to keep most of the money we work for to pay for our personal expenses, needs and wants..... not piss it away to even more taxes that are being proposed by the liberal Democrats who run the bulk of the state government and much of the city and county of Honolulu.

          Keep our money in our own pockets is what we need. Not more money pissed away on rail transit that no one will use or bottles that no one is bothering to return.

          Enough is enough. Hawaii cannot afford another tax increase. Liberals have to learn how to stop raping our wallets.


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          • #20
            Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

            I think you're selective about which tax increases you are against, Mel. You already stated that if the GET was increased to support the 24 failing public schools, you wouldn't object to that. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't object to the increases in sewer taxes because without sewer pipes being repaired when they burst it creates a public health problem, and you can't go back to cesspools tanks because, frankly, the Feds would come after you after April 5. And if a sewer pipe burst in front of your house, would you want to pay for that out of your own pocket?

            If you had Bainum as Mayor instead of Hanneman, would he be making the same kinds of hard choices Mufi has had to make about funding only those things which were essential and not just "nice to have", which is what the Harris administration didn't do?

            Once the cost of gas tops $3/gallon for Hawai'i possibly later this year, will you continue to drive your car? When gas prices rise, the poorer people are the ones who suffer first. If they can't drive their cars because they can't afford the gas, how will they get to work? Do you really want your "booming economy" to tank? I was reading the Advertiser Letters to the Editor the other day and there were people complaining about bus service from Hawaii Kai (sometimes 2 hour waits for buses). If bus service is this bad now, what will the city do to encourage more public transportation usage?

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            • #21
              Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

              Or Lillian Hong, for that matter. Mel, would it be better to leave the roads as they are? If you were In Charge, what would you do to improve the traffic situation?

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              • #22
                Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                Originally posted by Miulang
                I think you're selective about which tax increases you are against, Mel. You already stated that if the GET was increased to support the 24 failing public schools, you wouldn't object to that.
                Where the fuck did I state that? I am against all and every new tax increase period. Don't you ever put words in my mouth!!!!!!

                It is so damn easy for you Miulang to advocate tax increases that you will never pay because you don't live here in Hawaii. I don't give a damn about the taxes you pay in Oregon or wherever it is you are from.

                All you tax and spend liberals know is to take away more, more, more, more and more away from personal incomes.

                No one's personal income suddenly inceases by 25% to pay for a damn train that only 8% of the population will use.

                Originally posted by Miulang
                I'm pretty sure you wouldn't object to the increases in sewer taxes because without sewer pipes being repaired when they burst it creates a public health problem, and you can't go back to cesspools tanks because, frankly, the Feds would come after you after April 5.
                And what makes you assume that I won't object to this??? I do. I will be complaining against this and placing 100% of the blame on the neglected sewers to the Harris administration which has driven the city to near bankruptcy. Now the current administration has to pay the piper, and well we all have to.

                SHIT HAPPENS and I hate it. Shit, sewers, taxes, liberals, Democrats.... their tax and spend policies, fiscal discipline are all the same... one big sewer pipe that our personal incomes are sinking into every year.

                Originally posted by Miulang
                If you had Bainum as Mayor instead of Hanneman, would he be making the same kinds of hard choices Mufi has had to make about funding only those things which were essential and not just "nice to have", which is what the Harris administration didn't do?
                What the hell makes you assume that I voted for Bainum? I supported neither of the mayoral candidates and turned in a blank ballot on that race because both of them advocated rail transit.

                Rail transit = more taxes raped out of taxpayer wallets.

                Liberals don't care about people's personal funds. All they want to do is take it away and fund big ticket "nice to have" projects like rail.

                Do we need it? NO

                Can we afford it? NO

                Can we maintain it? NO

                Originally posted by Miulang
                Once the cost of gas tops $3/gallon for Hawai'i possibly later this year, will you continue to drive your car?
                While I and the majority of motorists will continue to complain about the cost of a gallon of gas, the bottom line is that we will keep on driving our cars. Cars = convenience. Cars = independence. I paid for my car, keep it maintained, pay for the insurance, the high gas prices, the taxes... so I will continue using it until it is time for a new one or when I die, whichever comes first.

                America is a country built on the success of the automobile. We will not change.

                Those people who think the vast majority of people will abandon their vehicles in favor of mass transit are sickly delusional.

                Originally posted by Miulang
                Do you really want your "booming economy" to tank?
                Of course not. But you and the tax and spend liberals certainly want it by taking away personal income via more taxes from individuals and families to fund expensive public works projects such as rail will certainly contribute to our economy's decline. Business, especially small business cannot afford to take the continued hits by liberal Democrat policies... increased taxes, higher minimum wage laws, more mandates, fees, costs, etc.

                Hawaii's reputation as a bad place to do busienss and a tax hell is certain to continue when the GET is increased. Mark my words.
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                • #23
                  Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                  Originally posted by Glen Miyashiro
                  Or Lillian Hong, for that matter. Mel, would it be better to leave the roads as they are? If you were In Charge, what would you do to improve the traffic situation?
                  Lillian Hong had no mathematical chance of ever winning the mayor's race. Yes, I did vote for her in the primary, but that does not mean I would have voted for her in the general should she would have suddenly garnered a huge chunk of the vote and went up against either Mufi or Duke. She's always advocating better bus service. I suspect she would support rail and the onerous tax increases that would entail.

                  I am not in charge, so I don't have to answer your silly question.

                  It is the tax and spend liberals who are in charge and everyone who voted for them is responsible for the pain they will unleash upon the taxpayers.

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                  • #24
                    Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                    Originally posted by mel
                    Where the fuck did I state that? I am against all and every new tax increase period. Don't you ever put words in my mouth!!!!!!

                    It is so damn easy for you Miulang to advocate tax increases that you will never pay because you don't live here in Hawaii. I don't give a damn about the taxes you pay in Oregon or wherever it is you are from.

                    All you tax and spend liberals know is to take away more, more, more, more and more away from personal incomes.

                    No one's personal income suddenly inceases by 25% to pay for a damn train that only 8% of the population will use.

                    And what makes you assume that I won't object to this??? I do. I will be complaining against this and placing 100% of the blame on the neglected sewers to the Harris administration which has driven the city to near bankruptcy. Now the current administration has to pay the piper, and well we all have to.

                    SHIT HAPPENS and I hate it. Shit, sewers, taxes, liberals, Democrats.... their tax and spend policies, fiscal discipline are all the same... one big sewer pipe that our personal incomes are sinking into every year.

                    What the hell makes you assume that I voted for Bainum? I supported neither of the mayoral candidates and turned in a blank ballot on that race because both of them advocated rail transit.

                    Rail transit = more taxes raped out of taxpayer wallets.

                    Liberals don't care about people's personal funds. All they want to do is take it away and fund big ticket "nice to have" projects like rail.

                    Do we need it? NO

                    Can we afford it? NO

                    Can we maintain it? NO

                    While I and the majority of motorists will continue to complain about the cost of a gallon of gas, the bottom line is that we will keep on driving our cars. Cars = convenience. Cars = independence. I paid for my car, keep it maintained, pay for the insurance, the high gas prices, the taxes... so I will continue using it until it is time for a new one or when I die, whichever comes first.

                    America is a country built on the success of the automobile. We will not change.

                    Those people who think the vast majority of people will abandon their vehicles in favor of mass transit are sickly delusional.

                    Of course not. But you and the tax and spend liberals certainly want it by taking away personal income via more taxes from individuals and families to fund expensive public works projects such as rail will certainly contribute to our economy's decline. Business, especially small business cannot afford to take the continued hits by liberal Democrat policies... increased taxes, higher minimum wage laws, more mandates, fees, costs, etc.

                    Hawaii's reputation as a bad place to do busienss and a tax hell is certain to continue when the GET is increased. Mark my words.
                    Hanakokolele! Mel DA MODERATOR wen go use pilau kine words! Somebody like to give him one chill pill or something? When I move back to Hawaii in about 5 years, I'll be in the same boat you are in. So yes, I know what you're saying. But Mel, you have NEVER given anyone any alternatives to getting out of the current fix your city and county are in. All you do is complain.

                    People are getting tired of your complaining without giving alternatives (and not increasing taxes is NOT an alternative because the money's gotta come from somewhere to maintain even the current bus routes and your corroding sewer pipes). You REALLY would pay, out of your own pocket, to fix a broken sewer main if it burst in front of your house? Wow, you're way richer than I am.

                    What do you want your City and County government and the State Legislature to do? Do you want them all take pay cuts to help balance the budget? I honestly want to know if you do have alternatives to suggest. I and everyone else on the forum will listen if you JUST GIVE US SOME IDEAS on alternatives. Your mantra of "all taxes are evil" and "damned those Democrats and tax and and spend liberals" is wearing thin. Constantly griping about something without proposing something better to take its place turns more people off than just about anything else I know.

                    Miulang
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                    • #25
                      Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                      Originally posted by Miulang
                      Hanakokolele! Mel DA MODERATOR wen go use pilau kine words! Somebody like to give him one chill pill or something? When I move back to Hawaii in about 5 years, I'll be in the same boat you are in. So yes, I know what you're saying. But Mel, you have NEVER given anyone any alternatives to getting out of the current fix your city and county are in. All you do is complain.
                      I have every right to complain as much as you have every right to trumpet and praise your liberal tax and spend agenda. It is not my job to offer alternatives because I am not an elected official and therefore have no power to implement any solution.

                      I am working in my own way to keep taxes down. I don't have to elaborate.

                      As for the swearing, I hate it when someone like you accuses me of supporting a tax increase when I haven't come out and support any tax increase on this forum or anywhere. I haven't made much comment about educational issues here, if any.

                      I remember when HawaiiThreads was started, I thought there would be a built in parsing routine that would automatically delete swear words to #$^&*!$* symbols... I guess that option is not implemented. Ryan?????

                      Originally posted by Miulang
                      People are getting tired of your complaining without giving alternatives (and not increasing taxes is NOT an alternative because the money's gotta come from somewhere to maintain even the current bus routes and your corroding sewer pipes).
                      And I am sure people are sick and tired of your constant posts regarding WalMart, the Iraqi War, and your continual Bush bashing in the other topics. Everyone has a freaggin' agenda.

                      Mine is to keep personal income in our own pockets. You and the rest of the liberals will never ever understand that. All you want to do is take away. More, more, more, more, more money out of people's pockets.

                      Originally posted by Miulang
                      Your mantra of "all taxes are evil" and "damned those Democrats and tax and and spend liberals" is wearing thin.
                      Hey guess what? Am I holding a gun to your head forcing you to read my stuff? I don't think so. You can simply ignore my posts and not respond.

                      There are other topics which you can entertain yourself with instead of reading my posts.


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                      • #26
                        Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                        No Tax Hike For Light Rail

                        As posted to HawaiiReporter.com

                        Raising taxes for transit is bad news for Hawaii's economy. Residents already face the fourth-highest state and local government tax burden in the nation and this burden will only grow heavier if the state excise tax is raised to fund light rail. Perhaps even more harmful than the immediate impact of higher taxes is that by saddling taxpayers with the costs of constructing and maintaining a new government transportation boondoggle, the Legislature is setting taxpayers up for even heavier tax burdens into the future.
                        You can read the entire article at this link.

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                        Last edited by mel; March 10, 2005, 08:45 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                          Top 8 Myths About the Rail Planned For Honolulu

                          As posted to HawaiiReporter.com


                          * No rail line anywhere is doing anything to reduce traffic congestion

                          * We are the 56th largest urban area in the U.S. and a clear majority of those larger than us have no rail line.

                          * From 1980-2000 only one U.S. urban area of the 22 with a rail line increased the percentage of commuters using public transportation and that was San Diego with a minuscule rise from 3.3 percent to 3.4 percent.

                          * So-called "rapid transit" is slow averaging only 22.5 mph whereas uncongested HOTways operate at free-flowing highway speeds of 55-60 mph.

                          * In addition to federal funding, rail transit construction will need local funding of $2.1 billion whereas a HOTway would need only $300 million. That is the difference between a tax increase and no tax increase.

                          * Rail transit will need $57 million in increased operating costs versus only $10 million for the HOTway.

                          In short, judging from results, both nationally and locally, we should not be placing any faith in public transportation to help in relieving traffic congestion.

                          We must remember that only about 8 percent of Honolulu’s commuter traffic is by transit and trying to solve a 100 percent problem by focusing on the least important element of that problem is not too smart. To solve the traffic congestion problem you have to focus on the vast majority of it, which is the auto and truck traffic and the highways. That is where the action is.
                          The Alliance for Traffic Improvement advocates a HOT tollway.

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                          • #28
                            Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                            See, Mel? Now that you've given folks some facts, you've gained some credibility. That's all I was trying to get out of you. Maybe after reading what you posted above from the Hawaii Reporter, you'll get more people to agree with you! Besides, I'm the one who started this thread, so of course I have to read what's in it!

                            Miulang
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                            • #29
                              Re: New public transportation will raise taxes

                              I don't need another lecture.
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                              • #30
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                                Well, what do you know, an alternative! These Alliance for Traffic Improvement folks have a plan, which I assume Mel likes. I'll have to look into this HOTway idea of theirs.

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