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  • #16
    Re: Toilet preps

    And it seems that your hints make the assumation that one is living in a rural area, where it's not a problem to dig up your own yard to either stockpile your stuff or make a hole to store the waste.

    However if you live in an urban setting and in a highrise, there is really no way to dig holes in an non-existant yard.

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    • #17
      Re: Toilet preps

      Originally posted by SusieMisajon
      [...]Ordinary toilet paper is cheap, available, and light. Buy some, now, and your only problem will be how to store the stuff.
      And therein lies the problem. Exactly how does one stock up, be it TP, food or otherwise, for 18 months when one lives in 400 sq. ft. with no extraneous, on site storage, no garage and no storage facility closer than 25 minutes away...without turning the place into a small Hasegawa's General Store? Inquiring minds wanna know. Really.

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      • #18
        Re: Toilet preps

        Originally posted by helen
        And it seems that your hints make the assumation that one is living in a rural area, where it's not a problem to dig up your own yard to either stockpile your stuff or make a hole to store the waste.

        However if you live in an urban setting and in a highrise, there is really no way to dig holes in an non-existant yard.
        That's the problem...and many people don't live anywhere other than in high-rises. It's a difficult thing to plan for, especially if water can't be counted on. The solution for my own family is the Campa-Potty, and lots and lots of water containers.

        There is, of course, the real old-fashioned way....just chucking it out the window.
        http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
        http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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        • #19
          Re: Toilet preps

          Originally posted by tutusue
          And therein lies the problem. Exactly how does one stock up, be it TP, food or otherwise, for 18 months when one lives in 400 sq. ft. with no extraneous, on site storage, no garage and no storage facility closer than 25 minutes away...without turning the place into a small Hasegawa's General Store? Inquiring minds wanna know. Really.
          Not to mention the $$$ of stocking up. And time. And energy.

          Tha's a hard one. Lemme make a start....under the bed, behind the couch, on the books behind the books or instead of the books, on top of the bed (think canopy), against the wall, under the table, on the floor, hung from the ceiling and the walls, in concentrated form, in the closet, in the cupboards, in the car, instead of furniture, stacked up high, put the kids in one room, and use the other one, sleep on the couch, and use the bedroom, move to a bigger place, do without stuff, under the table, instead of the table, in the tub, on the lanai....

          It IS horrible...and that's just the preps. My own kids think I'm lolo, and don't want to know. My house DOES look like the old Waialua Store. I'm becoming a recluse...I let NOBODY upstairs, where most of the preps are. I lie. I had a chimney stovepipe fire, recently, and refused to let the firemen upstairs...they had to get a ladder, and go up from the outside. Boy, were they MAD at me....buy, hey, NO WAY were they seeing my stock!

          Okay...maybe I stay a bit lolo...but rather lolo, than right. I tell the kids, If BF doesn't come, they can tease me forever...das okay wid me!
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          http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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          • #20
            Re: Susie's Practical Preps

            The last threat of a dock strike a few years ago (which got settled before anyone went on strike) I picked up a package of bulk toilet paper which lasted a few months (according to what I posted back then that bulk pack of 36 rolls lasted 3-1/2 months). I sort of remember it was a slight issue for me to store that many rolls in my place.

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            • #21
              Re: Susie's Practical Preps

              Maybe just starting somewhere, anywhere, no matter how small, is a start.

              The thing is, being that the government says they won't be around, to help...the more people prep, and practice being self-sufficient, the less hungry, panicked, and looting there will be.

              Anywhere is a start...cause if you're sick, or afraid to get that way, or stuck indoors during 'social distancing'....if you've got food and water and some basics, you can 'hunker down', and try to keep out of harms' way.
              http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
              http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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              • #22
                Re: Toilet preps

                Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                That's the problem...and many people don't live anywhere other than in high-rises. It's a difficult thing to plan for, especially if water can't be counted on. The solution for my own family is the Campa-Potty, and lots and lots of water containers.
                Tell you what you do what's important for you, we do what's important for us.

                There is, of course, the real old-fashioned way....just chucking it out the window.
                I was going to ask what's your background. Like are you a doctor, or health care professional? Did a stint on Civil Defense or some other disaster relief type of planning? But this last comment of yours is really not practical.

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                • #23
                  Re: Susie's Practical Preps

                  Originally posted by helen
                  The last threat of a dock strike a few years ago (which got settled before anyone went on strike) I picked up a package of bulk toilet paper which lasted a few months (according to what I posted back then that bulk pack of 36 rolls lasted 3-1/2 months). I sort of remember it was a slight issue for me to store that many rolls in my place.
                  The wholed damned thing is unimaginable.

                  Especially in today's world, with it's 'just in time' delivery system.

                  But I trust the WHO, the UN's World Health Orginization...and they're very concerned. After all, this wouldn't be the first time, that something such as this has passed through. It's just the first time that humans have been so used to supermarkets and modern conveniences.
                  http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
                  http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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                  • #24
                    Re: Toilet preps

                    Originally posted by helen
                    Tell you what you do what's important for you, we do what's important for us.




                    I was going to ask what's your background. Like are you a doctor, or health care professional? Did a stint on Civil Defense or some other disaster relief type of planning? But this last comment of yours is really not practical.
                    That's true, but when you remember the mess that was Katrina.....

                    My background? I'm a Mom.

                    The whole idea of this thread is for everyone to think about and discuss options before, rather than during.
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                    http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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                    • #25
                      Re: Toilet preps

                      Originally posted by helen
                      Was Hawaii cutoff from outside contact for 18 months back in 1918?

                      I grant you if such a situation were to happen I can understand life would be tough but the flow of goods to Hawaii would continue. There will shortages yes but a total cutoff, I don't think so.
                      During the pandemic of the Spanish Flu, nobody realized what was happening, for the most part. It was called the 'Spanish' flu, because Spain was about the only country without a news blackout, all others had blocked news, due to WW1, which was happening, at the time.

                      In the US, one of the few cities that was open about the flu was San Francisco...and they had fewer problems, because of this. San Francisco made a mistake, beween the second and third waves: They rang the 'all clear' bells too soon. People came out, celebrating, and restarted their lives...a few week later, the third wave hit, killing many.

                      It is estimated that as much as 40%of the workforce could be out, during various stages of a pandemic...too sick or too afraid to go to work. In parts of Canada, laws are being drafted to try and force medical personnel to work throughout a pandemic. Nobody is actully too sure, about the supply chain. Would YOU go to work? If there's enforced quarantine, this may become a moot point.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Toilet preps

                        Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                        My own kids think I'm lolo, and don't want to know. My house DOES look like the old Waialua Store. I'm becoming a recluse...I let NOBODY upstairs, where most of the preps are. I lie. I had a chimney stovepipe fire, recently, and refused to let the firemen upstairs...they had to get a ladder, and go up from the outside. Boy, were they MAD at me....buy, hey, NO WAY were they seeing my stock!

                        Okay...maybe I stay a bit lolo...but rather lolo, than right.
                        You'd rather be lolo than right... hmm.

                        Does anyone else find it strange being force-fed disaster preparedness doomsday scenarios by a self-described "recluse"?
                        Last edited by Palolo Joe; May 29, 2006, 12:16 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Susie's Practical Preps

                          There's also something, in certain places in the world, called 'the flying toilet'. Do your business on a sheet of newspaper, wrap it into a plastic bag, and throw it as far as you can. For realz!

                          I think that American truckers have a solution, too...or at least for shishi....they pee into a bottle (hopefully, it's plastic), and chuck it out the window...saves them the bother of stopping at a truckstop, and losing time.
                          http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
                          http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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                          • #28
                            Re: Susie's Practical Preps

                            I've avoided this thread for the most part....

                            I lived through the aftermath of Mt. St. Helens... my wifes family lived through Kalapana...and many lost there houses.

                            It is the way... the way it is...

                            I don't think OVER stocking the common needs is the answer.

                            I think the standards that are set forth in the phone book are sufficient.

                            (Besides...what happens if your dislocated from your place such as the katrina victims were... are you going to pack around 800 lbs worth of food?)

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                            • #29
                              Re: Susie's Practical Preps

                              Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                              That's true, but when you remember the mess that was Katrina.....
                              You mean the aftermath of a hurricane? I remember the aftermath of Iwa in 1982. Rolling blackouts on Oahu for weeks. Even then there were a couple of day long blackouts in 1983 because of that.

                              And then there is the aftermath of Iniki on Kauai in 1992. I wasn't there but still the memory of those who lived thru it still remember it.
                              Last edited by helen; May 29, 2006, 12:37 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Toilet preps

                                Originally posted by Palolo Joe
                                Does anyone else find it strange being force-fed disaster preparedness doomsday scenarios by a self-described "recluse"?
                                Sort of but I don't consider her posts as being force-fed. However I do get the impression that the tone of the message seems like we don't know what we doing and somehow that the either the Hawaii based readers of HawaiiThreads or residents of the State of Hawaii are more like grasshoppers who live day to day instead of ants who stockpile stuff for when the time comes. I would say for the most part people here are a mixture of both styles.

                                Considering that hurricane season starts here in a few days it wouldn't hurt to discuss various things relating to that. For example I remember during the warning of Iniki they said you should place masking tape on your windows, during last year hurricane season that hint is no longer valid, why. I have no idea.

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