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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:34 PM
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The HP ENVY line get good marks, here's an example of a higher grade model from that line at a lower $ level (new) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hewlett-Pack...item4603c8a62b

What would be a better bang4buck consideration?
Does $1,400 mean it's THAT much better than my $600 HP DV7Z which has served well but is dying after less than 2 years?
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why don't you just go to the HP site to buy? then you get their guarantee/warranty? or go to a store? what is the attaction of buying from EBay? just curious - I've never made a purchase from them.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:34 PM
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why don't you just go to the HP site to buy? then you get their guarantee/warranty? or go to a store? what is the attaction of buying from EBay? just curious - I've never made a purchase from them.
Don't have a credit card, I'm looking at much more than just HP (many of which aren't in stores), I'm in Kaaawa and rarely get to go shopping, when I do I find other deals that I need to investigate via the net, I buy new and get the guarantee/warranty (I've never benefitted from either), I can get cheaper/safe deals online, and can pick it up at the PO one block away or delivered to the house. There are more places to buy online than just ebay, and most accept MOs/checks.

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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:56 PM
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why don't you just go to the HP site to buy? then you get their guarantee/warranty? or go to a store? what is the attaction of buying from EBay? just curious - I've never made a purchase from them.
I purchase from EBay frequently. All kinds of things including laptops. Their prices can be much less, but you need to shop around. Also, no sales tax......usually. The new computers from EBay come with a full factory warranty.

I have never had a bad experience with them.

For Ron, I avoid the higher end computers.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:34 PM
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A decent laptop should give an average of 5 good years, my HP is way under that, and has had minor issues/repairs re the power/tranny brick. Don't want to repeat that, but it has been overall what I wanted in design and features. I'd like to upgrade.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:04 PM
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I havn't needed more than one USB port so far, nor the 17" screen of my dying laptop, and I can probably find this unit for even less $ http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Toshiba-...item35bb79d721
I do want good DVD playing/copying capabilities and speakers. I guess there's no BluRay, which sux.
Can someone find negatives in this unit, or a better one in the same price range?
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Thanks to both of you for the answers! that helps me with more info for my next purchase.
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I havn't needed more than one USB port so far, nor the 17" screen of my dying laptop, and I can probably find this unit for even less $ http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Toshiba-...item35bb79d721
I do want good DVD playing/copying capabilities and speakers. I guess there's no BluRay, which sux.
Can someone find negatives in this unit, or a better one in the same price range?
The referenced Toshiba has a 13" screen. You pay a premium for that smaller screen. In general, The least expensive laptops (specification for specification) are those with 15.6" screens. For example, here is a Toshiba with the larger screen, better specifcations, and better operating system for $100 less (when you include shipping): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-Sate...item4603cdf4b9. The downside is that you only get 6 hrs battery time as opposed to 9 hrs with the smaller screen (but I have always found rated battery time as waaaaay optimistic!). Realize that most laptops are going to have an inferior speaker system. If you want quality sound it is better to purchase a good set of plug-in speakers.

Toshiba gets generally good reviews. However, when purchasing on EBay, I would enter in the specifications you are looking for on the left hand side search box and leave the manufacturer blank and see what turns up. Then do a sort in the upper right hand corner for "price + shipping" lowest first. I think you will get a better feeling for what makes the most sense for you.

Having said the above........I just purchased a new laptop for my daughter (HP). I bought it at Staples. Why? It was on sale as an in-store demo and came with a 5 year warranty backed by Staples. If she has any problems, she takes it back to Staples. If Staples can't fix it, they give her the money back or a new computer of equal specifications. Even with CA sales tax it was about the same price as one on EBay with only a one year warranty. It was a one time deal at Staples and I couldn't pass up the warranty offer.

So back to my original premise, give EBay strong consideration, but shop around before you purchase.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Thanx, mata, it seems pretty good. I know I'll have to conceed some options from my current HP no matter what I buy, but I'll keep that one on the list to further research.
I'll be posting more options, and hope to read some more replies of other units to compare.
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If you haven't looked at them yet, ASUS makes a nice laptop, in a variety of prices and configurations. Very Solid machines, have had mine for a couple of years, and the only thing I would change is the inter-graded video card, but I have a desktop for occasional gaming.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834220740

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System Type Notebook
OS Provided Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Service & Support 1 year warranty
Notebook typeMidsize ,
Budget
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Processor Intel Pentium T4400 / 2.2 GHz
Multi-Core Technology Dual-Core
Cache L2 cache - 1 MB
64-bit Computing Yes
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Max RAM Supported 4 GB
Technology DDR2 SDRAM
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Floppy Drive None
Hard Drive 320 GB HDD / 5400 rpm
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The specs on that ENVY you are interested in are pretty nice, I have to say. I guess what I was mainly getting at, is if you haven't considered ASUS, it may be worth looking into. These specs are pretty solid, and half the price of the HP http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/asus...-35035010.html

It should be worth noting too, I am NOT a fan of HP.
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Tat, I have heard good things about ASUS. In fact I asked the saleman at Staples what he owned, and he said ASUS. He went on to explain that he got a significant employee discount on it was the reason for hs selection. He said that HP are typical of inexpensive laptops like ASUS or Toshiba, no better and no worse. He said at that particular store, they tended to have the most complaints from DELL owners.

The ASUS you referenced seems to be a solid machine. My only comments are that it has an "old school" Pentium processor, the processor is a bit slower than the Toshiba I referenced, it has only 3Gb Ram as opposed to 8, and the Toshiba has W7 Prosfessional which is the upgraded operating system (but W7 Home Deluxe works fine too just less bells and whistles). I guess that is the reason for the price difference. As far as a processor is concerned, I prefer the newest and faster Core i5 or even better Core i7, the referenced Toshiba has an i5 processor.

Either way it is fun to talk computers, sort of like kicking tires on a new car purchase.
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I have only had bad luck from HP products. I will never buy another HP computer, printer or anything else.
My FIL has a dell that's been working for 10 years. My HPs expire in about 2..
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Tat, I have heard good things about ASUS. In fact I asked the saleman at Staples what he owned, and he said ASUS. He went on to explain that he got a significant employee discount on it was the reason for hs selection. He said that HP are typical of inexpensive laptops like ASUS or Toshiba, no better and no worse. He said at that particular store, they tended to have the most complaints from DELL owners.

The ASUS you referenced seems to be a solid machine. My only comments are that it has an "old school" Pentium processor, the processor is a bit slower than the Toshiba I referenced, it has only 3Gb Ram as opposed to 8, and the Toshiba has W7 Prosfessional which is the upgraded operating system (but W7 Home Deluxe works fine too just less bells and whistles). I guess that is the reason for the price difference. As far as a processor is concerned, I prefer the newest and faster Core i5 or even better Core i7, the referenced Toshiba has an i5 processor.

Either way it is fun to talk computers, sort of like kicking tires on a new car purchase.
Yeah, mine was an impulse buy before I headed over to the UK a couple years ago. Got a HELL of a deal on it, and it has out performed a couple of my newer/"better" laptops(one personal, one business). I had heard good things, but having owned one for a while, have been really impressed with it's stability, build, performance, and quality. My HP, and Toshiba have since took a dump, but the ASUS chugs right along, glitch free(knock on wood).
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I've developed a hindering vanity streak from owning one of the all-time sexiest laptops ever, my croaking HP DV7z. I wish all brands used this model's shell for whatever guts they choose to fill it with. I can't help but get disillusioned looking at a great unit that doesn't look cool. I got to get past it, I'm probably never going to equal in looks what I'm about to throw away. Function over form, function over form... but it's got great features too, like a fantastic keyboard, fine optics, my friends love the whole package, plus the Altec Lansing speakers can't be beat, just awesome. I need to take my time on this next buy, I don't want to blow it. Another problem is that one person's dog meat is another's filet mignon. The ASUS' get plenty bad raps, Dell has a bad rep that may have been overcome lately, HP can be hated, it get's to seem like a crap shoot. Toshiba, Lenovo, and Gateway tend to have good reviews as a standard, and there are newer brands like MSI that look to be making headway. ooooo, my head... I may try to have my DV7z repaired or just get another new cord/brick and see if that does the trick. $50-, what the hey? Might be all it is, again.

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May have found my happy medium http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7.../dp/B0062TURJC Pretty much what I have but on steroids.
Scroll down for interesting user reviews.

I see them on ebay for under $900 and in my preferred brushed metal, instead of black. They do tend to get hot, not good.

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I've decided to get another Toshiba model. They have improved the speaker system which was my only complaint about the one I have now. I probably going to buy it again from Best Buy or Office Depot as they seem to have a good price with free shipping. Its been interesting reading all your posts on this!
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Are you sure you want a laptop? My wife always wants laptops, and I can't understand why, since she always keeps hers on her desk. I always get desktops. I got an HP Pavilion desktop p7-1220 in February for a little over $600 from Amazon (no monitor included). Works great.
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I hate sitting at a desk, a laptop is way more satisfying, and I can think completely.

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May have found my happy medium http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7.../dp/B0062TURJC Pretty much what I have but on steroids.
Scroll down for interesting user reviews.

I see them on ebay for under $900 and in my preferred brushed metal, instead of black. They do tend to get hot, not good.

Opinions, please.
Ron, I am not a fan of 17" screen laptops. I had one once. They are not as portable as smaller screens, they weigh quite a bit more, the large screens are hard on those hinges (more leverage can create hinge failure), and those large screens use a lot more power than the smaller screens so your battery power is shorter lived. I think they are good if you are looking for a substitute for a desktop and leave them plugged in constantly, but if that is the case, just purchase a desktop, you get a lot more for your money.

As far as the color of the case, basic black is the least expensive and will never go out of style. I refuse to be a slave to fashion (one of the many reasons I don't sport tatoos).

Like you, I rarely use my computer at a desk, so a desktop does not make sense for me. We travel a lot and we always take our own laptops with us (fewer arguments if we each have our own). So, in my opinion, a 15.6" screen laptop makes the most sense to us and we get the most bang for our buck at that size.

However, YMMV.
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How do the specs stack up on the one I linked to, for the bang4buck aspects? It's got a lot going for it, I'd say.

I should prefer a 15"er but would hate to regret not having the 17. My research on my current DV7z showed they cured the running HP hinge problems with a real honker, and I hauled/mauled it around quite a bit in my backpack during it's first year of service with no probs. Not sure about the stability on other current models, tho. I can't see ever having a desk model for myself. When I buy another I need it to be all this one is and more. I love mine but it's as low as I'll go re build/parts/audio/visual quality, if a few hun more delivers all that and BluRay with the appropriate pixel rate, plus the extra cores + GBs/RAM beef and minus the humbugging problem I'm experiencing, then I'm in. I'm leaning to getting my current one in top shape, but also thinking I should pull the trigger for the upgrade in case this one bites the dust soon.
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If you want a Windows laptop with the looks and hardware of a MacBook, look no further than the Vizio laptops. Otherwise, yes ASUS makes good laptops as well. I'd stay away from HP....they don't put much into their consumer computer industry.
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