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Old March 30th, 2008, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: Aloha Air files bankruptcy, again

I checked Go's website. The fare there was still $49 which was raised from the $39 about a month or so ago.
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Old March 30th, 2008, 08:36 PM
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Too late.

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Old March 30th, 2008, 09:15 PM
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as per the FAQ section in HSB you need to book your air miles by 3/31 or you will lose them forever.

ps i stand corrected about go fare increase... it was not today but earlier...
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Old March 30th, 2008, 11:28 PM
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It seems so sudden and harsh, but I guess that's how shutdowns go. I very rarely flew Aloha, but this will obviously have repercussions throughout the state. Note that Hawaiian Airlines is boosting capacity and opening up standby to Aloha ticketholders for a few days and holding $49 fares for a little while.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 12:38 AM
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hi this is sansei and i have my cousin and her husband who worked for aloha and since they have two kid's,i feel for them now that they wont be working and i wondered how they'll support both of their kid's? I hope they'll bounce back which mean's aloha and that my cousin and her husband will get to keep their job's so I Thought to share this with everyone.

well thank's for your time
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Old March 31st, 2008, 12:46 AM
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hi this is sansei and i have my cousin and her husband who worked for aloha and since they have two kid's,i feel for them now e
Wow, I was upset that my quick trip to see the lava flowing was inconvenienced by the shutdown of Aloha airlines and over the fact that I spent at least an hour trying to rebook it at a discounted $49 on Hawaiian but kept coming up with a rate of $109 online and couldn't get a live person on the phone so I decided to just book a new flight with Go! and deal with it all later. But when you put it this way, my little inconvenience was nothing! My best to your relatives and all who are unemployed due to the shutdown.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 03:47 AM
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"Go" doesn't deserve to be in business here. They're the reason why Aloha is shutting down its passenger service and why some of my friends could be unemployed.

I'd rather not go than go with Go.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 04:12 AM
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Well the latent issue here is the Merrie Monarch festival coming up and all the Aloha Airlines ticket holders that will have to rebook.

As of 11pm tonight 3/30 my wife was able to rebook my boy's flight from Honolulu to Hilo and back on Hawaiian. He is flying in from San Diego to Honolulu for his pre-deployment leave in mid April. We had him booked on Aloha Airlines a week ago because we had a crapload of frequent flyer miles that are now pretty much worthless. The round trip airfare for the mid April flight was $129.

Can you imagine if Aloha had ceased operations on this past Friday? It would have stranded a lot of students on spring break.

The really important issue now is if there is pending litigation that can cause Go to cease operations because of their tactics when entering the local market here, will there only be Hawaiian?

With Aloha's fragile finances (having been bancrupt before) it could have been anything that could have brought them down. If it wasn't go! it could have been something equally devastating. Imagine if it were something else such as a Pan Am Lockerbie disaster/lawsuits and no third airline to respond. It would have been all Hawaiian with no competition.

Suddenly once again HSF is looking pretty nice around now as an alternative.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 10:33 AM
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Well the latent issue here is the Merrie Monarch festival coming up and all the Aloha Airlines ticket holders that will have to rebook.

As of 11pm tonight 3/30 my wife was able to rebook my boy's flight from Honolulu to Hilo and back on Hawaiian. He is flying in from San Diego to Honolulu for his pre-deployment leave in mid April. We had him booked on Aloha Airlines a week ago because we had a crapload of frequent flyer miles that are now pretty much worthless. The round trip airfare for the mid April flight was $129.

Can you imagine if Aloha had ceased operations on this past Friday? It would have stranded a lot of students on spring break.

The really important issue now is if there is pending litigation that can cause Go to cease operations because of their tactics when entering the local market here, will there only be Hawaiian?

With Aloha's fragile finances (having been bancrupt before) it could have been anything that could have brought them down. If it wasn't go! it could have been something equally devastating. Imagine if it were something else such as a Pan Am Lockerbie disaster/lawsuits and no third airline to respond. It would have been all Hawaiian with no competition.

Suddenly once again HSF is looking pretty nice around now as an alternative.
Don't forget Island Air. I think this is actually a huge opportunity for this airline to gain market share locally and grow.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Some of Island Air's planes are still flying Aloha's old colors. And yes, this is a good opportunity for Island Air to gradually expand.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 12:24 PM
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Some of Island Air's planes are still flying Aloha's old colors. And yes, this is a good opportunity for Island Air to gradually expand.
This is where I attribute Aloha's poor management skills. Instead of spinning off Island Air back in what, 2003, they should have gotten rid of their 737-200s. Kept the Island Air division as interisland, even grow it's fleet a little.

I also don't quite understand how the gov't can stick it's hand in this because Aloha is completely private and never reports any of their numbers. And why did Banmiller get to stay onboard after the last bankruptcy? Most companies that undergo bankruptcies eject their leadership for new ones. Didn't that happen with Dunkerly and Hawaiian? And Hawaiian took a turn in the right direction after their bankruptcy.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 12:33 PM
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go! Knocks down a giant with its huge fleet of five airplanes? i think not..its always easier to blame someone else.....go is probably part of the equation but like so many things in this state its the business environment that takes its toll on most businesses that fail......and if the competitor is giving you fits dont blame the competitor ....look within and be dynamic.......time to change and change is not welcome here.......so the dinosaurs die.
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for those of you with credit cards through first hawaiian bank that partnered with aloha airlines mileage program, please read this: http://fhb.com/info-alohaairawards.h...a_AirAirAwards you will be upgraded to their priority awards card. my only question is, will they honor accrued mileage or will you have to start all over again?

craig: could you have rebooked with united?
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Old March 31st, 2008, 02:45 PM
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1900 employees let go as Aloha airlines shuts down!
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Old March 31st, 2008, 03:59 PM
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for those of you with credit cards through first hawaiian bank that partnered with aloha airlines mileage program, please read this: http://fhb.com/info-alohaairawards.h...a_AirAirAwards you will be upgraded to their priority awards card. my only question is, will they honor accrued mileage or will you have to start all over again?

craig: could you have rebooked with united?

The San Diego flight was thru another airliner. It was the Honolulu to Hilo leg that we had to rebook.

I'm concerned at the abruptness of the stopping of service without any notice to ticket holders as well as employees. That to me will probably have an effect on the management practices of Aloha and this morning's bid by Lingle to have the bancruptcy court judge to reconsider their ruling on Aloha.

Howard Dicus on channel Nine this morning gave what I consider a fairly well balanced look at why Aloha was denied to file for reorganization. Yes go! had something to do with it but also banks that are also in the mortgage lending business were less willing to support the best prospective buyers for Aloha Airlines. Basically Aloha had no buyers that could do a better job than Aloha itself. To sum it up, it was the economy that killed Aloha thru bad lending practices. go! was a convenient scapegoat to blame their woes on because they did have a part in their demise however I don't think it was to be blamed entirely.
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I had to book a flight to Kona for the end of April for work just now and it took me almost 15 minutes to get to the payment section on the Hawaiian Airlines website!

My boss had issues putting in her Hawaiian Miles (due to marriage/name change) and tried calling the 800 number. She gave up after a while and will do it later because I can imagine they're getting inundated with Aloha's customers.
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I thought Republican candidate Ted Hong's blame game op-ed here
about Aloha Airlines closure was a bunch of hogwash. He blames the Democrat controlled legislature and Hawaii’s poor business climate for Aloha demise. He also tries to tie in that this shutdown is another example Hawaii won’t avoid the US Mainland recession. What a bunch of scare tactics. Aloha’s demise was due to predatory airfares by Go/Mesa Airlines and high fuel costs. Which were exacerbated by fuel guzzling aircraft Aloha currently employs. Neither can be pinned upon the Democrat controlled legislature or Hawaii’s poor business climate.
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I am kind of wondering of the following:
  1. Aloha merging with either Hawaiian or go!?
  2. Do go! attempt to buy Aloha early on before setting up shop here in Hawaii?
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Does anyone know when Aloha's last flight touches or touched down? Are their any remaining aircraft on the West Coast deadheading back to Honolulu? Have we, in fact, seen our last Aloha bird in the sky?
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Old March 31st, 2008, 09:31 PM
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Court has decided no intervention is needed. I actually think Ted Hong's piece has some merit. It's not just go! or rising fuel prices or poor management at Aloha that did it in. It's the harsh business climate Hawaii is well known for. Practically everything is union here. The GET tax is a tax with amplification since it taxes the same at all levels. Activism and NIMBYs are in overdrive.

By the way, am I the only one here who thinks Banmiller is a jerk on simply just dropping the bomb with little time for people to react and prepare? So much for family within Aloha. As CEO he knew when the call was being made. And if you want a refund, they tell you to take it up with bankruptcy court. What is his severance package? Because Aloha is private, we may never know. More reason I don't support throwing public money into this basket case.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 09:38 PM
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Does anyone know when Aloha's last flight touches or touched down? Are their any remaining aircraft on the West Coast deadheading back to Honolulu? Have we, in fact, seen our last Aloha bird in the sky?
I think it's a flight from Maui that gets in to Honolulu at or around 10pm tonight.

I think all of the returning mainland flights should have landed by now.
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From KHNL News8:



AQ 477 received a water salute at the Oakland Airport.

Gotta admit, that got me kinda teary eyed.
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Default Re: Aloha Air files bankruptcy, again

I stopped briefly at the end of Lagoon Drive to watch a few Aloha Airlines departures and arrivals. Takeoffs were all from the mauka runways, sadlly... I was hoping to see one last takeoff from the reef runway. But, I did see the "Funbird" come in for a landing. One of its last.



I actually saw it take off again as I was driving home, at around 6:06 p.m. I'm wondering if it will be the last jet to come back to Honolulu. Considering the paint scheme was unveiled to invoke nostalgia for the airline's golden years, it would be somewhat fitting.
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Inefficient planes combined with rising fuel costs are a bad problem.
Union labor prices don't help either. Is go! union?
Bad management is obvious, especially not upgrading the planes.

Businesses come and go. Nothing is permanent. As for the employees, it's a shame. But perhaps we should put a positive spin on it, similar to the way folks celebrated on Molokai after soundly defeating MRP.
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I feel for the employees.

I would feel more for the company if it wasn't a privately-held monolith. Perhaps if I owned its stock like I do with HA, I would think differently. That said, I will always have my memories of AQ, along with the luggage tags that I will keep for old time's sake, and my gold mastercard (which has neither a balance or any miles racked).
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