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Old April 27th, 2009, 05:19 PM
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Default Where Did All The Nice People Go?

Seriously!!! What's going on around this forum lately? It seems like most of the nice folks are consistantly being run off or badgered into a lurkers' existence because of a handful of mean, bitter s.o.b.'s who nitpick and naysay, criticize and attack, and generally bring their negativity and aggression/intimidation to so many threads. This site is way less interesting because of these 'children'.

Enough, I say!! Nice people unite!! Don't be scared off! Come back!!
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Old April 27th, 2009, 06:26 PM
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It happens from time to time, TG. You get some nasty back-and-forth between folks that spills from thread to thread (and I'm guilty of it as well), but either it cools down after a time, or after people decide the "ignore" function can help them relax, or if a troll (no names stated or implied here) decides to move on, or if admin has to step in and take action.

Some of the folks to which you refer have left altogether, others lurk - just as you noted. Just keep posting in your own way, and if folks find something meaningful to add, they probably will. But it's nice of you to encourage them to return! (The old-time HT-ers would say that you earned a green chiclet.)
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Old April 27th, 2009, 06:31 PM
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most of the nice people on this planet are not online
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Old April 27th, 2009, 06:32 PM
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See, TG? It worked! You got Mike.
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Old April 27th, 2009, 06:47 PM
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Just when you think all is going well, a mean-spirited thread like this one goes up!
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Old April 27th, 2009, 07:20 PM
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meh, its just the web...
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Old April 27th, 2009, 07:24 PM
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Heya TG! Sorry for "bailing" on you folks.

If I would hazard a guess, I'd say Twitter is one reason why some people are disappearing from HT. I wasn't scared away from HT, but rather Twitter was more attractive (addictive).

People on Twitter tend to be nicer because you choose who you socialize with. You listen only to the people you want to listen to. You can block specific people from reading your Tweets. I think HT has an ignore feature, which is easy enough to use, except it's off by default; while its virtual counterpart on Twitter is on by default. Small little details like that can make a big difference. I'm not saying HT should have ignores on by default (it'd be a bad idea), but perhaps people should ignore more often.

Another reason why people are nicer on Twitter is they end up meeting each other face to face, sooner or later (facilitating spontaneous meetups is one of Twitter's strengths). It's amazing how civil people are when there's the possibility of getting punched in the face. Not to mention the fear of your personal reputation being tarnished.

And finally, the 140 character limit helps supress flaming. I mean flaming is alive and well on Twitter, but the less you say, the less there is for people to flame you about. You could have an excellently written 3 page post on something, but the forums trolls will be all over your one poorly worded sentence. And forum trolls LOVE to hear their own voice. A 140 character limit takes the fun out of it.

I'm not saying Twitter is better than HT. Forums are still the best place to have an in depth discussion about something. It's just Twitter is more addictive and fun, at least at the moment. Before Twitter, I would read/post to threads which were just mildly interesting, just to have something to do. Now I lurk mostly, and post only on threads which catch my eye.

Of course I can't speak for everyone who's become less active on HT.
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MJ, feel free to add me to your twitter if you like!
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I assume you're "tattrat" on Twitter? I'm MyopicJoe :_)
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Old April 27th, 2009, 07:33 PM
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you have assumed correctly!
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It happens from time to time, TG. You get some nasty back-and-forth between folks that spills from thread to thread (and I'm guilty of it as well), but either it cools down after a time, or after people decide the "ignore" function can help them relax, or if a troll (no names stated or implied here) decides to move on, or if admin has to step in and take action.
I've recently given some free, round-trip (for now) tickets from HT to beautiful Timeoutsville, Tenn., and won't hesitate to issue more fabulous HT vacations if it comes to that. I agree these rashes of ill temper come 'round every so often, but they -- like most rashes -- eventually pass.

As with most of these threads, I'd rather folks talk about what they want to talk about, instead of talking about the site (and what we should be talking about). So the floor is yours... have at it. Let's get back to some top-notch talkstory.
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Old April 27th, 2009, 08:35 PM
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Default oh, no, please don't close my 'nice' thread!

....that's not fair! You CLOSED it! It was only up for a few hours! Why would anyone close a thread that's an invitation to all the nice people? For anyone interested, I'm talking about this - Where'd all the Nice People Go. Perhaps someone has been a little hasty with the thread closures? Am I being closed just because I was posting about the HT site? Anyways, please don't censor the nice people.

No! Dont be mean! We all put up with a certain amount of meanness and annoyance in our day to day lives - so why on earth would anyone dish this $h!t out online once they're cozy at home at their computers? Do they kick their dogs too!? Just sorta kidding, but I'm not the only person who feels this way, i'm sure. But I didn't get a chance to find out...I was closed.

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Old April 27th, 2009, 08:53 PM
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You're not being censored. After all, this thread is still here, and I think both your point and mine have been clearly made and will be archived in perpetuity. But as I've said, there's no need to set aside a thread just to cheer or complain about how nice or how mean HawaiiThreads is. (We've been there before.) If the usefulness of HawaiiThreads is important to you, I encourage you to help make things better by participating in threads about the topics you're interested in. Want better conversations? Start one!

Discussing the site itself is a circular exercise at best. If you want to provide feedback on the way HawaiiThreads is run, the best way is to contact me or any moderator directly.

Nonetheless, if anyone has thoughts on "nice people," I'll reopen this thread for now.
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Old April 27th, 2009, 09:28 PM
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Start one? Yeah. Its always just a matter of time before its overrun by snarkiness and attacks, at least it seems so lately. Come back, nice people!! Don't just read...post!

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hmmm, I wonder why this subject has been visited before.....
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Old April 27th, 2009, 10:32 PM
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It's perfectly normal for people to come and go from forums like this. Some move away from Hawaii, some find interests other than the internet or other interests on the internet (as in the Twitter comment earlier), some just get bored, some find other hobbies or get involved in sports, some have increased duties at work... there's a large number of reasons some people may not be around, and most of those reasons have nothing to do with snarkiness or attacks.
In my own case, I'd like to think that I'm one of the "nice people" (at least my cat thinks so ) but I'm currently taking some courses to get an advanced degree, so my time here has been limited.
I used to be moderator of some forums similar to this, and I created a section called The Sandbox. I'd move any snarky and attacking posts to The Sandbox, and the combatants could duke it out there, where no one else would have to read them.
In any event, there's a very low number of snarks and attacks here on HT, especially compared to snarks/attacks/flame wars that used to happen in other places on the internet.
If there's folks here whose posts bother you, just use the Ignore function. Easy.
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The snark attacks here are really REALLY mild. In fact they're just baby snarks.

Kinda cute sometimes, just watch your fingers.
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The snark attacks here are really REALLY mild. In fact they're just baby snarks.[...]
Yep...for the most part, snarkettes! Nuthin' in comparison to...oh, never mind. I've seen snarkoramarellathons in panavision and technicolor!
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Yep...for the most part, snarkettes! Nuthin' in comparison to...oh, never mind. I've seen snarkoramarellathons in panavision and technicolor!
You've been to alt.slack? Church of the Subgenius (all hail Bob!)?
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Just when you think all is going well, a mean-spirited thread like this one goes up!
Ya made me laugh with that comment, darn ya!
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You've been to alt.slack? Church of the Subgenius (all hail Bob!)?
Not alt.slack but a few other alt's!!!
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Old April 28th, 2009, 12:11 AM
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I'd like to think that I'm one of the "nice people" (at least my cat thinks so ) but I'm currently taking some courses to get an advanced degree
An advanced degree in "nice"? Cool. Online or in person?
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I quit posting so much because it seems like no one ever responds to what I post- like I stop a thread dead in its tracks. So I figure I must not be very interesting or there are secret threads I don't know about. Or everyone is just laughing at me to everyone else. That's always been a secret fear of mine.

Also- I'm not doing anything spectactularly entertaining at the moment. But I can start a thread on it, so we can get out of the iffy thread...
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Hi Yer Hun,
Please be cool there are lots of Really nice people on here from all parts of our world. Different shapes, sizes, races and colour of skin. Lots of opinions ( to me that is what a forum is about )
Hang on in here,,,,, Please ? If I haven't responded to you, then maybe I haven't anything interesting to say.
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I quit posting so much because it seems like no one ever responds to what I post- like I stop a thread dead in its tracks.
Speaking as someone who has generated over 50 threads in this forum with no responses I don't see 0 response threads as a bad thing. Please keep in mind that the index listings has a thread read count. Look at that entry to see if anyone is reading the thread.
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SurlyGirly, I used to feel the same way about my Boating Photos thread not getting many responses. Until someone pointed out how many views the thread had, that is. Point is that just because folks don't reply doesn't mean they don't enjoy it.
I belong to another group and there's one person who replies to every single message even though their replies almost never contain anything worth reading. That's much worse! Now I don't read anything that person writes.
But back to snarkism.
For those interested in snarks, check out Super Snarks at http://www.castlecraft.com/super_snark.htm . (Yeah, they're sailboats.)
The was also a 1917 Navy ship named Snark ( http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...sh-s/snark.htm ).
And remember that Snark was the name of Jack London's sailboat ( http://www.jacklondons.net/snark.html ) and that his boat was named Snark because of Lewis Caroll's poem "The Hunting of the Snark." (Yes, the same man who wrote Alice In Wonderland.) His Snark poem "describes with infinite humor the impossible voyage of an improbable crew to find an inconceivable creature".
And that last sentence pretty much sounds like the purpose of HT.
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