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    It seems from the primary numbers that there were a ton of Republicans voting on the Democrat ticket (you can tell by the amount of blank votes for Dem senators and reps in GOP bastions like Kailua and Hawaii Kai). Does anyone have a lock on approximately how many Republicans didn't vote on their own ticket?

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    Re: Republican Crossover Votes

    Can’t give you that number, but I can say that even if Thielen got all of the Republican votes combined (Coffee, Beatty, Tataii, etc.) from the primary (24,704 votes), she would still need all of the Ed Case vote (107,115 votes) to beat Akaka. And then she would only win by about 1%.

    So even if she did get ALL of the crossover vote, she would still lose without attracting some Dems, Libertarians, etc. She has her work cut out for her if she truly means “I’m in it to win,” as she said today at her press conference.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

    — U.S. President Bill Clinton
    USA TODAY, page 2A
    11 March 1993

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    • #3
      Re: Republican Crossover Votes

      Guess I'll find out myself.... tomorrow when I'm bored I'll throw together a spreadsheet and include last election's numbers for perspective. It won't be exact, but it'll give at least part of the picture.

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      • #4
        Re: Republican Crossover Votes

        Thielen won't get all the crossover from Case. What Case didn't calculate in his call for crossover was that many Hawaiian Republicans would vote Democrat to support Akaka; hence, Kawananakoa's loss to Hogue (since those Hawaiian Republicans would probably have voted Kawananakoa in the House race if Akaka hadn't faced such a strong challenge). These voters would probably have gone back into the Republican column if Kawananakoa had run--which is why he was the GOP's first choice--but he didn't, so they won't.

        However, she may pick up some liberal Democrats who were sympathetic to Case's "rage against the machine" strategy, but couldn't reconcile themselves to his support for the Iraq war. Still, in all probability, Senator Akaka will be sworn in for a new term this January.
        Last edited by John Maple; September 26, 2006, 03:17 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: Republican Crossover Votes

          While I considered the possibility of pulling a (D) ballot to vote for Ed Case, in the end I stayed with the (R) ballot and voted for Jerry Coffee in the hope that maybe Charles Djou would have probably run.
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          • #6
            Re: Republican Crossover Votes

            He definitely would have run Mel, if given the choice. Unfortunately the only way to represent the Republicans was to be appointed. Hence his no compete clause declaration.

            We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

            — U.S. President Bill Clinton
            USA TODAY, page 2A
            11 March 1993

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            • #7
              Re: Republican Crossover Votes

              How do you know that for sure? I thought I heard Charles Djou state on KHNL's primary election night coverage that he was not interested in running for the seat. I agree though that the appointment of Rep. Thielen is indeed a "safe choice" given that she ran unopposed in her House district and has already been elected to that seat.
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              • #8
                Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                I was a crossover vote, trying to help Case beat Akaka.

                If Akaka was scared to debate with Case, why is that something that Dem voters admire???
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                • #9
                  Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                  Originally posted by timkona
                  I was a crossover vote, trying to help Case beat Akaka.

                  If Akaka was scared to debate with Case, why is that something that Dem voters admire???
                  Er, he did debate Case. How quickly you forget!
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                  • #10
                    Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                    If you call that a debate...

                    But Timkona's question is leading, anyway. I certainly didn't admire Akaka's reluctance to debate Case. For all its implications, though, I thought it was the most prudent, calculated, political decision. And frankly, I thought agreeing to the AARP event was a mistake. If they were going to stick to their guns that long, why make one exception so late?

                    The debate was either a disaster for Akaka or, at best, didn't help. As for its effect on crossover votes (the actual topic)? I think people who were willing to cross parties to help Case or oust Akaka had their minds made up pretty early. Either you can bring yourself to do it, or you can't, and I'm not sure many were pushed over the line either way.

                    I'm looking forward to Deep Thought's analysis.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                      Originally posted by Linkmeister
                      Er, he did debate Case. How quickly you forget!
                      But didn't he refuse to for a long time?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                        It would be interesting to post this poll:

                        -I voted for Akaka and it was a vote for Akaka.
                        -I voted for Akaka and it was a vote against Case.
                        -I voted for Case and it was a vote for Case.
                        -I voted for Case and it was a vote against Akaka.
                        -I voted for Hogue and it was a vote for Hogue.
                        -I voted for Hogue and it was a vote against Kawananakoa.
                        -I voted for Kawananakoa and it was a vote for Kawananakoa.
                        -I voted for Kawananakoa and it was a vote against Hogue.

                        (if there is a more concise way of posting this, I am not attached to the wording, just the jist).

                        pax

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                        • #13
                          Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                          I second that poll. Bring it on!

                          We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

                          — U.S. President Bill Clinton
                          USA TODAY, page 2A
                          11 March 1993

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                          • #14
                            communists, socialists, nonpartisans or queers Re: Republican Crossover Votes

                            Originally posted by Deep Thought
                            It seems from the primary numbers that there were a ton of Republicans voting on the Democrat ticket (you can tell by the amount of blank votes for Dem senators and reps in GOP bastions like Kailua and Hawaii Kai). Does anyone have a lock on approximately how many Republicans didn't vote on their own ticket?
                            That just goes to show that Republicans don't have much more to vote for in "The Primaries" of the U.S. State of Hawaii biennial elections extravaganza (aka, "Democracy") than do communists, socialists, nonpartisans or queers.
                            Last edited by waioli kai; September 26, 2006, 11:29 PM.

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