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Pomai
December 1st, 2006, 08:04 AM
Are you the type to save everything you've acquired in life, leaving your home (and workspace if given the opportunity) cluttered from wall to wall, floor to roof? Nothing is thrown away, whether it's Aunt Peggy's old sewing machine, broken fishing poles, an empty plastic sour cream container or a roll of asbestos tape you used while you were an astronaut on the Apollo space program back in the 1960's.

Or do you have good storage management skills, knowing when and how to get rid of stuff. Your home (and/or office) is neat and organized, with just the bare essentials. When that storage shed out back begins to fill up, the signs go up around the neighborhood for your latest garage sale - or it's off to the local Salvation Army.

My mother is notorious for keeping just about EVERYTHING. Drives us nuts. She'll even wash and save that white styrofoam container from yesterday's plate lunch. Ack! Thankfully my aunt keeps her in check and tosses things in the rubbish when she's not looking. lol

As a condo dweller, I know all-to-well the importance of being a minimalist. It just can't be any other way with such a limited living space. I'm so lucky my girlfriend's a minimalist. She even tells ME what to throw away. The only thing I have to nag her on is her pile of SHOES. What's with you ladies and shoes? Why do you need so many? Imelda or what?

Not to say pack rats are necessarily slobs. You can be an ORGANIZED pack rat, with boxes piled in well-labeled modular stacks. Or you could be a sloppy minimalist (pretty tough to do), with that screwdriver you used to fix the garbage disposer last week still sitting next to the microwave (put it away!).

Use this thread also to discuss your methods of storage management. Plastic drawer storage bins? Used paper ream boxes from the office (modular!)? Storage facility? Garage sales? Give to charity?

Or just rant on the subject.

blueyecicle
December 1st, 2006, 08:10 AM
What's the matter with a bit of sloppiness. I don't mean tons of it but a bit.
I cannot ever seem to get my sewing room organized but it's not dirty. Just a bit messy. It's my quirkiness. :D

1stwahine
December 1st, 2006, 08:24 AM
Guilty as CHARGED!:o I'm a Pack RAT!:eek:

I used to be meticulous. Used to be. Sadly, I am not today. I don't know when I started to become insanely messy. But I am. I try my best to clean and keep things tidy but I never get things done. My children come every once in awhile to general clean and throw away ukipila stuffs but then I "collect" unnecessary things again....even moa than before. It's HORRORS!

What I did to make things seem "normal" to the unsuspecting eye is to throw everything in my spare room.heheheh OMG!!! Nobody but me can enter the Room of Doom!:p

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Auntie Lynn

Bard
December 1st, 2006, 08:24 AM
My wife and I both used to be pack rats. Then one day we started looking around at all the junk we'd acquired and thought... why do we have all this junk?! :) It's started going away since then.

The thought of (potentially) having to transport it all to Hawai`i has further spurred my efforts...

The fact that we somehow keep renting/buying smaller and smaller apartments and houses hasn't hurt anything either. ;)

AbsolutChaos
December 1st, 2006, 08:48 AM
Definitely a pack rat! Despite my best intentions, I think the pack rat gene runs in my family, so I don't know if I can escape it. :p

I go thru a familiar cycle: I store crap everywhere, then a couple of times a year I grow disgusted with myself and get rid of some stuff, but then my zeal to turn over a new leaf goes away, and the cycle continues.

:o

oceanpacific
December 1st, 2006, 09:31 AM
Pack rat to the max. It appears to be hereditary.

My treasures include: over a thousand video tapes (VHS, Hi-8, mini-DV) - even after a program, movie, UH game, etc. has been transferred to DVD, the original is filed away as a future back-up; cassette tapes also filed away after contents have been re-created on CD-R; UH sports game programs (got most of the Fabulous Five home programs); UH media guides (football, basketball, volleyball, baseball); concert programs; vinyl records (45 rpm, EPs, LPs, 78 rpm); 8-track tapes; musical instruments (guitars, amplifiers); computer peripherals (monitors, printers), books/magazines (Playboy from the '70s and '80s); audio components (amps, receivers, speakers, cassette tape decks, graphic equalizers, turntables, VCRs, CD players/recorders).

It reflects my early life when we didn't have many creature comforts in life. I remember gifts being carefully opened and the "nicer" wrapping paper (foil-type) and ribbons "saved" for later re-use. Even today, I don't rip open presents like my kids do although I toss the wrapping.

As the stash increased, I "solved" it by re-modeling the house and increasing the living area by 150%. A lot of it could be considered "organized chaos." :eek:

My home has also served as storage for my siblings. My sister once stashed three beds (box springs, mattresses, bed frames) while her new home was under construction, then forgot about them and bought new beds. I made her give them away as her stuff was taking up valuable space meant for "my junque."

blueyecicle
December 1st, 2006, 10:55 AM
Not a Pack rat at all! I would throw every everything if my husband wasn't picky about it. I don't hang on to anything.
I do have 2 boxes of fabric but I throw it away if I have it more than 6 months.

Leo Lakio
December 1st, 2006, 11:19 AM
Pack rat, sharing a 1BR condo with another pack rat. I suffered collection-itis for far too long, but I think the disease is losing its grip.

After looking at a lot of places, before we bought the condo we had been renting, it hit me that this was all the space we were going to have for the next several years. If I wanted to still acquire (space-eaters like books, DVDs, CDs, instruments), I needed to purge.

Much of the past couple years, I've been getting rid of stuff. Not as fast as I think I should, but methodically. First to go was eight large boxes of books. Next was an entire file-cabinet full of assorted papers, clippings, articles, etc. Then, several years' worth of mostly-unread music (and music industry) magazines.

The AF, however, is late in coming to the same realization. She still hasn't purged much, but I can see her doing the preparatory sorting that leads to it. And we've reached the point where we can actually tell there's been progress. Having a small rebuild of a bedroom closet helped move things along.

blueyecicle
December 1st, 2006, 11:47 AM
My hubby is totally a pack rat and when we moved I MADE and I mean FORCED him to throw out this HUGE box of torn open electrical cords and cables and old wires and what not.....that was 2 years ago! 1/2 of them did not work and the cables made the TV fuzzy...And another box of 6 used broken VCRs and 2 CRacked TVs. Plus 2...yes 2!! 8 track players and 4 stereos! with wood on them still!!

So the other day I wanted to him to wire my kitchen with cable...

His response you ask?

"I would if you had not MADE me throw away my big box of cables"! So I aksed him why we could not go buy a new cable....
"Because I am NOT paying for new cabels when I had a box of perfectly good ones I could have stripped and re-wired when we moved!"

MEN! I went and bought new cable today.
This is my Pack Rat!

Pua'i Mana'o
December 1st, 2006, 12:12 PM
this is a contentious issue for my family during the holidays. My mother ~lives~ to give us 8-10 little mementos to commemorate whatever the current fascination is. I keep one, make sure she sees it displayed, then toss it all into the goodwill bin. Walk into her house, and beware of tripping over carpet gnomes. ;)

We keep books and family pictures. I am a big believer in albums but dislike the poor utility of a scrapbook (all that space and volume and fun of putting it together, but in the end it holds <20 pictures, wtf??).

I learned to decrap my kitchen a few years ago, and now only have pots/pans/cookware that we actually use. One blender, one rice pot, and one microwave. No funky single-function appliances for us. Two sets of dishes: the melanine collection (all matching, thank you Longs for your sale all those years ago) and the good dishes™ (thank you Liberty House) which are also the dishes we use for microwaving. Having clean counter and tabletops does wonders for a peaceful mind! Everything has its place, and everthing gets put away.

My kids collect clothes, sports equipment and cds. My husband has his tool shed. And I am the gal who watched Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and thought "ooooooh, no clutter!"

Hope
December 1st, 2006, 12:28 PM
Highly minimalistic! The older I get, the less I wish to be surrounded by "stuff". It gives me a headache to look at it all, so I've been getting rid of things in leaps and bounds. It's quite a "freeing" experience!

After losing three family members in the past three years, I came to a very serious realization, "stuff" means nothing. People are everything! 'Tis much more pleasing to experience things, rather than to "own" them. I don't want to be "responsible" for all dat "stuff" any more. If I want to see beauty, I'll go see it, and happily leave it where I saw it, carrying the memory with me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/sweethopie/Santaeatincookie.gif

tutusue
December 1st, 2006, 01:32 PM
I live in 400 sq. ft.!!! What more can I say!

When my dad passed a few years ago and my mom was moved to a nursing home, the family home in SoCal was sold. I was asked what contents I wanted. I had no room for anything but I really wanted the memories...the framed career photos in my dad's den, the scrapbooks, and what seems like thousands of loose family photos. It wasn't long before 5 big boxes arrived on my door step! Oh lordy! I eventually condensed everything down to 2 boxes. One I keep at home and one is in a storage locker. I sift thru the one at home as time permits. This task cannot be accomplished in a speedy manner. Each photo can take many minutes of remembering, laughing, crying and sorting. The career photos now hang in my office...the perfect place for them. I left pukas for more.

My laptop computer is probably my biggest aid in keeping stuff to a minimum. It's my file cabinet, address book, Calendar, sound system, music storage. And it's a bookshelf for recipes! The trunk of my car helps, too. That's where I keep my shoes so I'll have them handy whether I'm in Makaha or town!

I keep a storage locker in Kapolei. It's the 'spare room'!

Leo Lakio
December 1st, 2006, 01:36 PM
Can anyone with an off-site storage area truly deny their pack-rat-ness?

Pomai
December 1st, 2006, 01:49 PM
I live in 400 sq. ft.!!! What more can I say!Ever wish you could just purge everything and turn your 400 sq. ft. space into that clean and simple tropical hotel room you see in all the tv and magazine ads? Live life more like a hotel guest than a permanent resident that eventuallly collects way too much stuff for that space.

My renovation project forced me to bite the bullet and purge our 700 sq. ft. condo. Now our place is back to looking more like an elegant, clean and simple hotel room than aunty Momi and her 5 kids' house. lol

tutusue
December 1st, 2006, 02:19 PM
Can anyone with an off-site storage area truly deny their pack-rat-ness?
Actually, I can!!! Christmas decorations, the obligatory 10 years of boxes of tax stuff (both personal and business...each year the oldest ones get shredded), luggage, mainland clothes.

When I lived at the Plaza Hawaii Kai, I had a 2 bedroom condo and a storage locker in the basement. No need for an outside facility then. But, 400 sq. ft. is really, really small. In my situation the key is to not outgrow the storage locker! :D

I bet you wish you could just purge everything and turn your 400 sq. ft. space into that clean and simple tropical hotel room you see in all the tv and magazine ads. Live life more like a hotel guest than a permanent resident that eventuallly collects way too much stuff for that space.[...]
That's my goal! I've started to purge everything I possibly can. That will eventually include all the furniture. The Treasure Box thrift shop in Makaha and the Waianae library are my beneficiaries! There are some things that will never fit into such a small space but they need to be kept. Hence, the storage locker. But, for my living space, yah, the little grass shack shouldn't look disheveled. The tropical aesthetics need to prevail. I'm going to scale back on the kitchen, which is just one wall in the living room anyway, by eliminating the stove and replacing it with a 2 burner cooktop and a small convection/microwave oven. Evoking the feeling of a perpetual vacation is mandatory! :D

Glen Miyashiro
December 1st, 2006, 02:21 PM
I remember I bought a book on how to de-clutter your house a while ago. I think it's in one of the boxes in the 2nd-to-the-bottom stack in the closet. I could get it out, but I'd have to remove about a dozen bankers boxes of books to get to it.

What was the question? :rolleyes:

tikiyaki
December 1st, 2006, 06:17 PM
Ever wish you could just purge everything and turn your 400 sq. ft. space into that clean and simple tropical hotel room you see in all the tv and magazine ads? Live life more like a hotel guest than a permanent resident that eventuallly collects way too much stuff for that space.

My renovation project forced me to bite the bullet and purge our 700 sq. ft. condo. Now our place is back to looking more like an elegant, clean and simple hotel room than aunty Momi and her 5 kids' house. lol

Po Po...great thread !

Being a Mid Century Modern design geek, I LOVE minimalism, the Japanese have it wired....the problem, I just can't achieve it. Stuff, piles up, I don't put it away. I get lazy. One thing I learned from other Mid Century Modern design geeks who have model looking homes is, designate one room for the clutter, and keep the rest of the house looking clean and minimal.

I struggle with this clutter thing. Having a recording studio is especially tough to keep minimal...wires, microphones, guitars, CD's etc.... I envy people who can do it.

I would really love to part with alot of my stuff, but it's so hard to do.
For instance...CD's....I started putting them onto a hard drive, in hopes of selling them....still haven't done it all yet....

I really want to purge to the point of almost nothing, but, I LIKE my 6 guitars....they all get different sounds...what's a guy to do ?

My desk is a mess right now ... thanx for reminding me what a slob I am :(

Serenity
December 1st, 2006, 06:26 PM
Guilty as CHARGED!:o I'm a Pack RAT!:eek:
Auntie Lynn

Me too. I have been married to my hubby for so long, that I still have him, & have not thrown him away, yet. :D LOL.

Got2HaVKaYaNoW
December 1st, 2006, 06:29 PM
Not to say pack rats are necessarily slobs. You can be an ORGANIZED pack rat, with boxes piled in well-labeled modular stacks. Or you could be a sloppy minimalist (pretty tough to do), with that screwdriver you used to fix the garbage disposer last week still sitting next to the microwave (put it away!).

Or just rant on the subject.


I call myself the organized mess specialist. :D

alohaz,

KaYa T.

EastCoastTropics
December 2nd, 2006, 04:14 AM
Great thread!!


Highly minimalistic! The older I get, the less I wish to be surrounded by "stuff".

Same here!! Even with a brand new leather sectional sofa and a bathroom with a custom shower, jacuzzi tub and imported sink fixtures, my in laws home is sooooo cluttered! Every time I go there I feel claustrophobic! :D

I've always had very good storage management skills! Living in a small home I've learned to organize and throw out what I don't need without any guilt....I'm always donating to the Salvation Army and have put many of my attic items up on eBay.

When we decided to put our small home on the market, one of the things that our Realtor told us was to get rid of all our clutter so that potential buyers can visualize their belongings in our space. Realtor went around our home and pointed out every piece of furniture that should be removed. So we rented a Pod from pods.com and stored our stuffs. One day we're sitting in the livingroom watching the tele and I turned to DH and said that I really like having no clutter. We agreed then that when we bought our new home that we would go for the uncluttered look. We're in our new home now....since June and although our basement is packed, it's organized and everything is in plastic bins. This helps for the "living" space to be free of clutter! Since we've moved I've been reading a few books on Feng Shui and really like that concept. I try to incorporate Feng Shui into my home. :D

GeckoGeek
December 2nd, 2006, 12:32 PM
Clutter (and I'll bet my clutter is worse then anyone else's :p )



I would really love to part with alot of my stuff, but it's so hard to do. For instance...CD's....I started putting them onto a hard drive, in hopes of selling them....still haven't done it all yet....

Procrastination and clutter go hand in hand. You (and I) have got the clutter because we're both procrastinators. Both problems have to be addressed together.

tikiyaki
December 2nd, 2006, 07:56 PM
Clutter (and I'll bet my clutter is worse then anyone else's :p )




Procrastination and clutter go hand in hand. You (and I) have got the clutter because we're both procrastinators. Both problems have to be addressed together.


Yes, you are correct. Also, I get overwhelmed by things....when there is a big pile of stuff, it freaks me out, and I get really intimidated by it. The key is getting the discipline to nip it at the bud...like Pomai says, use a screwdriver, put it away when you're done...this is a big thing for me.

That being said...my clutter issues aren't that bad....here's a pic of my living room....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/tikiyaki/entry.jpg

It looks like this most of the time...pretty minimal, but my office and studio are messier. So I keep the clutter at bay pretty well, in many areas of the house.

tutusue
December 2nd, 2006, 09:58 PM
[...]Also, I get overwhelmed by things....when there is a big pile of stuff, it freaks me out, and I get really intimidated by it. [...]
When my home or office is cluttered it makes my brain cluttered. Seriously!

That being said...my clutter issues aren't that bad....here's a pic of my living room....[...]
Great chair. Where's the iPod dock located? :D

GeckoGeek
December 3rd, 2006, 12:06 AM
That being said...my clutter issues aren't that bad....here's a pic of my living room....

Looks minimalist to me. Any less and the place would look vacant.

tikiyaki
December 3rd, 2006, 04:51 AM
When my home or office is cluttered it makes my brain cluttered. Seriously!

Great chair. Where's the iPod dock located? :D

Yes, brain, emotions, life, it ALL feels cluttered....Messy place = messy life.

No iPod dock. I STILL have never hooked up the speakers to it yet. Even after reuphostering the chair and replacing the old speakers with my newer ones from my car. I'm moving, so, I'm committing myself to hooking them up in the new place.


Looks minimalist to me. Any less and the place would look vacant.

Thanx, near vacancy is what I was striving for ;)

Almost everything in my house looks like that, but you know, places like bedrooms and offices just fight it all the time. I guess I'm not that much of a pack rat, but I have my moments.

mel
December 3rd, 2006, 06:12 AM
My treasures include: over a thousand video tapes (VHS, Hi-8, mini-DV) - even after a program, movie, UH game, etc. has been transferred to DVD, the original is filed away as a future back-up; cassette tapes also filed away after contents have been re-created on CD-R; UH sports game programs (got most of the Fabulous Five home programs); UH media guides (football, basketball, volleyball, baseball); concert programs; vinyl records (45 rpm, EPs, LPs, 78 rpm); 8-track tapes; musical instruments (guitars, amplifiers); computer peripherals (monitors, printers), books/magazines (Playboy from the '70s and '80s); audio components (amps, receivers, speakers, cassette tape decks, graphic equalizers, turntables, VCRs, CD players/recorders).

It's very hard for me not to be a pack rat, though I continually try to shed stuff that I don't use. However because I love music and movies so much, I keep on buying more CDs and DVDs and add to the collection of vinyl, cassette, old VHS and Beta tapes that I already have. Many of the albums that I now have on CD, I also have on either tape or record album. Surely in the years I have gotten rid of some of my vinyl including a lot of 45 rpm singles. But I still have plenty in my apartment as well as back at my folks place on the Big Island. I mean I never moved everything I own out of my parents' house... and I've been out of there for what... more than 25 years I think.

The fact that home made CD RW and DVD discs probably all suffer from "CD Rot" (meaning that the data don't last forever), I constantly find myself creating a backup for the backups now. I want stuff like my photographs and MP3 music to last forever, especially those AAC tracks that I buy from the iTunes music store. I find myself constantly backing those up to more CDs or now even another external hard drive (I have 5 external drives and will probably get more). My digital photos are important to me that I need to back them up in case the hard drive they are on fails.

I am slowly trying to get rid of the surplus Macintosh computers that I was collecting at one time. Anyone interested in acquiring a free Macintosh Plus, Mac SE or Power Computing Mac clone in working condition??? All work just fine and I can throw in a bunch peripheral hardware and software discs in with them.

On several occasions I have sadly taken other Macs to the recycling places, most recently at the UH when they had a computer and electronics recycling day in late October.

I have all kinds of other junk that I need to get rid of too.

i-hungry
December 3rd, 2006, 11:53 AM
I'm tempted to ask for a mac hand-me-down. But that would only worsen my pack rat habits.

mel
December 3rd, 2006, 12:05 PM
Well I have 3 old Macs up for grabs at this thread:

http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthread.php?p=120397

Give in to your pack rat urges.

Serenity
December 3rd, 2006, 03:05 PM
Yes, you are correct. Also, I get overwhelmed by things....when there is a big pile of stuff, it freaks me out, and I get really intimidated by it. The key is getting the discipline to nip it at the bud...like Pomai says, use a screwdriver, put it away when you're done...this is a big thing for me.

That being said...my clutter issues aren't that bad....here's a pic of my living room....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/tikiyaki/entry.jpg

It looks like this most of the time...pretty minimal, but my office and studio are messier. So I keep the clutter at bay pretty well, in many areas of the house.

Dang!!. I would like to have that for my living room!!.

Ever think about giving it up? :p j/k lol.

Any way, It's a really nice living room. Good job in keeping it clean. :)

adrian
December 3rd, 2006, 04:04 PM
You can say I'm a pack rat. I have mostly all of the product packaging that came with my first self-built computer three years ago - along with other things. The only bad thing about it, is that I can't organize to save my life! Yeah, I can do it on a small area, but I usually just throw mostly everything else in any space I don't use everyday. If I use it atleast once a week (or within the last month) then its still either on the floor, on a once clean table, or crammed into what available space I see fit to put to grab at a later date.

The only thing minimalist in my room, is my computer desktops.

craigwatanabe
December 4th, 2006, 09:45 AM
I pack minimally:D

Hey Radio Shack sold a stainless steel belt clip with a velcro back 10-years ago. I bought it so I could clip my scanner to my belt. Ten years later that task never happened and I kept that clip in a box that travelled to three homes in that time period.

This year when I got my Razr, the plastic sheath had no way of being clipped to anything so I rummaged thru an old box and found that stainless steel clip and Gorilla Glued it to the case and now I have my belt clipped Razr cell phone.

Yeah I knew that thing was gonna come in handy one of these days.:rolleyes:

Lei K
December 4th, 2006, 11:27 AM
Minimalist here. Clutter drives me mad!

My poor keiki, I'm always having them go through their toys every 4 months or so. They have two toy boxes, one each, and they can't have more than the toy box can hold comfortably. Toys not used anymore, charity time.

My boys room, as seen from the hallway. Middle son peeking at the camera from his bed. :D

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l277/Leilaniokaaina/0017.jpg

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a 4 year old and 7 year old to keep their room clean. My Mom expected it outa me and I'm a neat freak. haha. Both of my older boys love to vacumn and clean so far.