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    In a truly sweet act of "revenge", the Seminole tribe in Florida has bought most of the cafes, hotels and memorabilia of Hard Rock Cafe. The deal is worth close to $1 billion.

    So where did the Seminoles come up with that kind of scratch? Why, through their gaming operations, of course. The Seminoles were the first native tribe to start operating gambling casinos.

    The Seminoles were the first U.S. tribe to get into the gambling business in 1979. More recently, they had partnered with Hard Rock in successful hotel, gambling and entertainment complexes in Tampa and Hollywood in tourist-friendly Florida. They now have the ability to expand their gaming interests nationally by partnering with a well-known brand, experts said.

    The tribe also will acquire what is said to be the world's largest collection of rock memorabilia, some 70,000 pieces, including Jimi Hendrix's Flying V guitar, one of Madonna's bustiers, a pair of Elton John's high-heeled shoes and guitars formerly owned by Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton and Chuck Berry.

    The deal does not include Hard Rock's Las Vegas casino, however, which is owned by Morgans Hotel Group, or Morgans' rights to Hard Rock intellectual property in Australia, Brazil, Israel, Venezuela and many areas of the United States west of the Mississippi River, a Morgans official said.
    And if the US government allowed the kanaka maoli to open casinos on DHHL land (instead of prohibiting it in the Akaka Bill), my guess is they would earn enough so that maybe they could make tuition at KSBE free to any kid who was accepted and also have enough to subsidize Hawaiian cultural training in the public schools and do other things for the kanaka maoli without having to sell any more of their land to developers. What a concept.

    Miulang
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

    Originally posted by Miulang View Post
    And if the US government allowed the kanaka maoli to open casinos on DHHL land (instead of prohibiting it in the Akaka Bill), my guess is they would earn enough so that maybe they could make tuition at KSBE free to any kid who was accepted and also have enough to subsidize Hawaiian cultural training in the public schools and do other things for the kanaka maoli without having to sell any more of their land to developers. What a concept.

    Miulang
    Here's some confusion maybe you can help me clear up. The US govt interacts with each Indian tribe as a tribe and they live on reservation lands, essentially, a country within our country. Is DHHL land currently considered reservations? And are the Kanaka Maoli acting as a single, unified tribe? To me, it seems like there are several different groups each with their own notion of how to address past grievances. This makes it hard for the US govt to really settle the the historical past.

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      Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

      Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
      Here's some confusion maybe you can help me clear up. The US govt interacts with each Indian tribe as a tribe and they live on reservation lands, essentially, a country within our country. Is DHHL land currently considered reservations? And are the Kanaka Maoli acting as a single, unified tribe? To me, it seems like there are several different groups each with their own notion of how to address past grievances. This makes it hard for the US govt to really settle the the historical past.
      The Akaka Bill was supposed to be the way that the kanaka maoli could be federally recognized as a "tribe". But the bill has gotten so watered down that opponents say it's practically worthless. If passed, the Akaka Bill would give the kanaka maoli LESS than what most federally recognized tribes get. And you're right about the kanaka maoli not being able to get it together to unify as one single voice; this to me has always been their Achilles Heel.

      Miulang
      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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        Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

        I think ultimately, that would be the Rosetta stone to the plight of the Kanaka Maoli. They need to sit down, sort their differences out, and decide as a single, unified group on the issues they face. Everything else will fall into place after that.

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          Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

          Ive been saying for years that Kahoolawe should be turned in a las vegas for the Hawaiians, but then you also get the crime and gambling problems...
          But then again i'm also ignorant of politics.
          My suggestion is based on the fact that everyone goes to vegas. its cheaper to go to vegas then to go to big island.
          Aquaponics in Paradise !

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            Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

            I think your suggestion has plenty of merit. Let's say Kahoolawe is a reservation, Kanaka Maoli can run casinos there. Revenues generated can go towards their needs but a small cut can be used for creating law enforcement on the island to rein in crime and to beef up responsible gambling campaigns and counseling. It doesn't have to be so glitzy as Vegas, even if it just serves Hawaii's local population, it is a good thing because the money stays here.

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            • #7
              Hawai'i assests, Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

              Would that OHA not been emasculated, rendered a token, by the fallacioUS hawaiianness of the Waihee gang of " let's make a buck or two, exponential 10's of $ " Union (as in construction {hotels, piers, docks, roads, military bases, {not TSA, air traffic controllers, and the like} (courtesy U.S. Military training most likely)} banking}, not necessarily to include Ben Cayetano who (re Bishop Estate/HI Attorney General) was all that was good that came out of the Waihee administration of eight more happy years subjugation of Hawai'i... ...would that OHA not been revenue-raped by the Federal government perhaps by now Hawaiians would own all the hotels on the islands and could send packing the construction unions and the financial brothel of which construction unions (at least those pimping Hawai'i) are major contributors/directors.
              Last edited by waioli kai; December 8, 2006, 04:50 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

                a couple of things:

                •no ethnic/cultural group on this planet in today's world has a unified voice on a politically-logistical level regarding anything. To expect that of the Hawaiians is akin to holding a victim to a higher standard than anyone else, including its perp.

                •Kaho'olawe doesn't have a sustainable water table. That got bombed out by the Navy during the bulk of the 20th century. Casinos, reservations, and all sorts of nifty econ-dev ideas are still beholden to Maslow's hierarchy. In other words, got wai?

                pax

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                  Re: Native Tribe buys Hard Rock Cafe

                  Originally posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
                  a couple of things:

                  •no ethnic/cultural group on this planet in today's world has a unified voice on a politically-logistical level regarding anything. To expect that of the Hawaiians is akin to holding a victim to a higher standard than anyone else, including its perp.
                  Of course, in any ethnic/cultural/national group, there is no ONE unified voice, this isn't the Borg from Star Trek. But what I meant is that there needs to be one unified group(voice) that represents Kanaka Maoli. There may be difference in opinion amongst the Kanaka Maoli, but they need to agree and accept one representation. Just like the US govt. Not every single American agrees with how our govt acts domestically and internationally, but every American accepts our govt as the single representation of the USA. Come around election time, we throw out our ideas and candidates and vote. Not everyone gets their choice selected but after the election, everyone accepts the results and goes with it. With the Kanaka Maoli, it seems like not everyone accepts one group to represent them - OHA, Ka Lahui, Nation of Hawai'i, etc. So realistically, how do you effectively negotiate with the US govt on terms of reparation? And from the US govt point of view, which group do I settle with and is considered kosher amongst the Kanaka Maoli? It's like saying for example, I'm a contractor that came to your house to install a kitchen sink and a toilet. I botched it by putting the sink in your bathroom and the toilet in your kitchen. It is my fault and of course I need to address your grief. But say you came to me and said, just refund my money. Your mom shows up and say, no swap the two and consider that fixed. Then your dad comes around and says, no, swap the two and also refund the money. Who's recommendation do I take?


                  Originally posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
                  •Kaho'olawe doesn't have a sustainable water table. That got bombed out by the Navy during the bulk of the 20th century. Casinos, reservations, and all sorts of nifty econ-dev ideas are still beholden to Maslow's hierarchy. In other words, got wai?
                  Well, this might be going off tangent, but you can always use desalinization. The salt produced can be sold off as a product too.

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