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    The Feds, evidently worried about people melting pennies and nickles to extract the metals from them, have just issued a ruling that will prevent people from profitting from the melting down of the coins.

    Anyone caught melting coins and reselling the metal could be subject to jail time and hefty fines.

    Soaring metals prices mean that the value of the metal in pennies and nickels exceeds the face value of the coins. Based on current metals prices, the value of the metal in a nickel is now 6.99 cents, while the penny's metal is worth 1.12 cents, according to the U.S. Mint.

    ...Under the new rules, it is illegal to melt pennies and nickels. It is also illegal to export the coins for melting. Travelers may legally carry up to $5 in 1- and 5-cent coins out of the USA or ship $100 of the coins abroad "for legitimate coinage and numismatic purposes."

    Violators could spend up to five years in prison and pay as much as $10,000 in fines. Plus, the government will confiscate any coins or metal used in melting schemes.

    The rules are similar to those enacted in the 1960s and 1970s, when metals prices also rose, the Mint said. Ongoing regulations make it illegal to alter coins with an intent to commit fraud. Before today's new regulations, it was not illegal to melt coins.

    Metals prices have skyrocketed worldwide in recent years in response to rising demand, particularly in rapidly growing China and India. Prices for zinc, which accounts for nearly all of the metal in the penny, have risen 134% this year, according to the London Metal Exchange. Even accounting for a recent decline, the price of copper is up 50% since the start of 2006. Nickels are produced from 75% copper and 25% nickel.
    Miulang
    Last edited by Miulang; December 14, 2006, 11:23 AM.
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    They should just choose another cheap metal to make the penny or otherwise get rid of it. Currently, it costs more than a penny to make a penny.

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    • #3
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      Plastic pennies. That's the ticket.

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      • #4
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        What's a penny? We use shells as currency (and wear grass skirts, and live in grass huts), remember?

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          Does this affect those machines that smash pennies to make souvenirs? It's not melting, but it does take a penny out of circulation.

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Palolo Joe View Post
            What's a penny? We use shells as currency (and wear grass skirts, and live in grass huts), remember?
            Shells? Eh out here on the Big Island we still using rocks...hot outta da oven yet.

            But seriously now we've upgraded to shells just last month!

            Pennies as most of us know is really a copper-plated zinc slug and I believe the last solid copper penny was made in 1982. It's not so much the metal that makes a penny worth more than 1-cent, it's the labor to get it there.
            Life is what you make of it...so please read the instructions carefully.

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              Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
              Does this affect those machines that smash pennies to make souvenirs? It's not melting, but it does take a penny out of circulation.
              Those are still legal.

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                Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                Pennies as most of us know is really a copper-plated zinc slug and I believe the last solid copper penny was made in 1982. It's not so much the metal that makes a penny worth more than 1-cent, it's the labor to get it there.
                Have to disagree, it's the price of the metal that's making the production of penny a money losing proposition. Labor is a component but it's the increasing price of metals that is the bigger headache. Growing mass consumption of metals by other countries have raised the price for metals tremendously. Why would thieves target copper wiring for street lights if that wasn't the case?

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                  Re: Melting coins ruled illegal

                  Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
                  Does this affect those machines that smash pennies to make souvenirs? It's not melting, but it does take a penny out of circulation.
                  No, apparently smashing (stretching pennies) is not considered illegal.
                  You're not changing the physical composition of the penny (i.e. separating out its component parts), just altering its shape. And there aren't too many pennies that get squished, compared to how many could be melted down.

                  Miulang
                  "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                    Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                    Have to disagree, it's the price of the metal that's making the production of penny a money losing proposition. Labor is a component but it's the increasing price of metals that is the bigger headache. Growing mass consumption of metals by other countries have raised the price for metals tremendously. Why would thieves target copper wiring for street lights if that wasn't the case?
                    copper wire is mostly copper with some tin for strength. Pennies on the other hand is almost 100% zinc with a thin copper plating. The cost for zinc is relatively cheap.

                    Labor cost is the single most expensive component of any business or service, ask any business owner.

                    Now other coins that use other metals such as silver can be a problem. I do agree though that the use of either paper currency or coins will have to diminish as cost soar and the use of smart cards to replace them will become apparent once it becomes economical and secure.
                    Life is what you make of it...so please read the instructions carefully.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Melting coins ruled illegal

                      Skyrocketing metals prices are behind the increase, the U.S. Mint said in a letter to members of Congress last week.

                      http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-0...nny-usat_x.htm

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                      • #12
                        Re: Melting coins ruled illegal

                        Copper melts at 1981 degrees F. You need special melting kilns or other high temperature means to do it ( $500 and up ). The smaller ones may hold maybe 500 coins and take an hour per batch, on 50 cents an hour. It is possible to melt them one by one with a propane torch but it takes a minute or two per coin and at 12% profit per coin you might make 5 cents an hour and that is assuming you didn't buy the propane tank. Why bother when you could make more by moving to Mexico and working in a sweat shop.

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                          Re: Melting coins ruled illegal

                          Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                          No, apparently smashing (stretching pennies) is not considered illegal.
                          You're not changing the physical composition of the penny (i.e. separating out its component parts), just altering its shape. And there aren't too many pennies that get squished, compared to how many could be melted down.

                          Miulang
                          Putting pennies on railroad tracks is always a fun and easy way to squish them.

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                            Re: Melting coins ruled illegal

                            Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                            Skyrocketing metals prices are behind the increase, the U.S. Mint said in a letter to members of Congress last week.

                            http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-0...nny-usat_x.htm
                            That's just the excuse for higher wages...we all know it's a conspriacy
                            Life is what you make of it...so please read the instructions carefully.

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                              Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                              That's just the excuse for higher wages...we all know it's a conspriacy
                              Bet it be a fun job. "What do you do for a living?" "I make money." "Don't we all try to?" "No, really."


                              How about making paper denominations for coins? It would be an all paper form of currency. Smart cards are great but I doubt currency will ever go away completely since many of us don't trust big-brother keeping track of our electronic transactions.

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