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    Interesting news about that wonderful venture capital company that screwed up your local phone service so well...now they want to take over the management of airports and other public facilities too. And with capital infusions from the oil-rich Arabs.

    The Washington buyout firm has raised $1.15 billion for an infrastructure fund that it will use to partner with federal, state and local governments in running vital public projects in the United States, including water and sewer systems, bridges, tunnels, highways and airports.

    From the long lines at Dulles International Airport to Capital Beltway traffic, Carlyle and other investment firms see themselves as part of the solution for governments facing declining tax revenues and a troubled municipal bond market that has left them unable to complete or repair billions of dollars in public works projects.

    Robert Dove, who is co-managing Carlyle Infrastructure Partners, says his team can run most airports, highways and water systems better than the public authorities and governments now doing the job, and make a profit for investors to boot.

    But transportation analysts say they expect opposition to the idea of government handing over key roads, ports and utilities to profit-driven private companies that do not have to disclose much about their businesses. The issue is also raising questions over who would be responsible for the security and safety of such projects.

    ...Carlyle's new fund allows big foreign investors to purchase America's infrastructure indirectly. Last summer Carlyle sold a 7.5 percent stake to the oil-rich emirate of Abu Dhabi for $1.35 billion. But Abu Dhabi has no say in Carlyle's day-to-day operations or investment decisions, Carlyle officials say.

    Carlyle is already under attack from the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, over its takeover of the Manor Care nursing-home chain, which SEIU has called a relentless pursuit of profit. James Bellessa, a utilities analyst with D.A. Davidson & Co. in Seattle, said Carlyle can expect similar opposition from unions and politicians if it starts buying the nation's infrastructure.
    Miulang
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    Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

    For the record, I think Carlyle owning HawTel is much better than when Verizon owned HawTel. For starters they've invested hundreds of millions of dollars in new infrastructure to support new HSI tiers and IPTV service. Neither improvements were on the radar when Verizon owned HawTel.

    A lot of the problems were the result of haphazard planning and implementation of the back office systems by Bearing Point. If the latter was not the case, Bearing Point would've never paid 52 million to satisfy claims by HawTel.
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    • #3
      Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

      Originally posted by Konaguy View Post
      For the record, I think Carlyle owning HawTel is much better than when Verizon owned HawTel. For starters they've invested hundreds of millions of dollars in new infrastructure to support new HSI tiers and IPTV service. Neither improvements were on the radar when Verizon owned HawTel.

      A lot of the problems were the result of haphazard planning and implementation of the back office systems by Bearing Point. If the latter was not the case, Bearing Point would've never paid 52 million to satisfy claims by HawTel.
      That's all well and good, but the fact still remains, all the billing issues, etc. that have occurred during the transition could 1) have been avoided if Carlyle had done its due diligence when selecting the contractor to handle the back end processes or 2) at the very least, should have stepped in much sooner to try to mitigate the issues and soothe ruffled consumer feathers. There's lots of ill will now directed at Hawaii Tel that could have been avoided totally if they had just kept their mindset on customer service instead of trying to squeeze as much profit out of this venture as possible,
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        Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

        Originally posted by Miulang View Post
        That's all well and good, but the fact still remains, all the billing issues, etc. that have occurred during the transition could 1) have been avoided if Carlyle had done its due diligence when selecting the contractor to handle the back end processes or 2) at the very least, should have stepped in much sooner to try to mitigate the issues and soothe ruffled consumer feathers. There's lots of ill will now directed at Hawaii Tel that could have been avoided totally if they had just kept their mindset on customer service instead of trying to squeeze as much profit out of this venture as possible,
        Verizon (and GTE before then) moved 80 back office systems to the mainland during the period of time that they owned HawTel. When Carlyle purchased HawTel, those systems had to be replicated from scratch here in Hawaii.

        In other words, it is unfair to totally blame Carlyle. Verizon and GTE should be equally to blame here. Especially if you assert that Carlyle was trying to squeeze more profit out of this venture. Both Verizon and GTE made huge profits here. But did very little to improve the infrastructure. In some instances they stripped infrastructure out (such as those 80 back office systems).
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          Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

          The bigger issue and concern that's greater than Hawaii Tel is the fact that this private company wants to take over control of America's infrastructure, promising to do a better job than the entities that currently run them.

          Because of who the principals are in this company (members of PNAC), having them control airports, seaports, highways, nursing homes, etc. is like how George Bush "outsourced" much of the war in Iraq to contractors like Halliburton and Blackwater...and we now know that the "profits" Halliburton made from this particular venture came at the expense of our troops.

          Miulang
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            Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

            Silly talk. Having a private company run public resources doesn't equate to 'handing over the keys', or losing control of those assets. As any proper contract will provide redress for any issues which may arise concerning improper operation, having such a contract versus 'no contract' government operation actually improves response to complaints - especially when financial/criminal penalties are possible.
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              Here's another interesting article about one of the founders of the Carlyle Group......seems that David Rubenstein purchased one of only 2 copies of the Magna Carta.....for 21.3 million dollars.....interesting reading....just sharing......



              http://www.scatoday.net/node/10706

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              • #8
                Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                Originally posted by salmoned View Post
                Silly talk. Having a private company run public resources doesn't equate to 'handing over the keys', or losing control of those assets. As any proper contract will provide redress for any issues which may arise concerning improper operation, having such a contract versus 'no contract' government operation actually improves response to complaints - especially when financial/criminal penalties are possible.
                Uh huh. And that's why Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater (among others) are under government scrutiny NOW, after being allowed to basically run things without any government oversight.
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                  Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                  So you want to blame the corporations for the failures of the government? At least the corporations CAN be scrutinized - who's placing the blame on the government officials who approved the contracts (assuming the contracts failed to provide for supervision and penalties for deficient performance)? It is natural to assume a corporate provider of services will strive to minimize costs (unless it's a 'cost plus' contract, in which case they will strive to maximize costs). Expecting anything else is unreasonable.
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                    Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                    Originally posted by salmoned View Post
                    So you want to blame the corporations for the failures of the government? At least the corporations CAN be scrutinized - who's placing the blame on the government officials who approved the contracts (assuming the contracts failed to provide for supervision and penalties for deficient performance)? It is natural to assume a corporate provider of services will strive to minimize costs (unless it's a 'cost plus' contract, in which case they will strive to maximize costs). Expecting anything else is unreasonable.
                    Privatization does not work in all areas, and one area is in their managing of the infrastructure where they have no accountability because they are not publicly held. If privately held companies could also be held to the same legal standards are publicly held ones (SOX rules) there might be a chance. But without transparency, these companies can literally get away with murder. Most government awarded contracts are cost plus and not fixed, so the price tag will go as high as the companies can get away without being caught.
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                      Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                      Originally posted by Miulang View Post
                      Privatization does not work in all areas, and one area is in their managing of the infrastructure where they have no accountability because they are not publicly held. If privately held companies could also be held to the same legal standards are publicly held ones (SOX rules) there might be a chance. But without transparency, these companies can literally get away with murder. Most government awarded contracts are cost plus and not fixed, so the price tag will go as high as the companies can get away without being caught.
                      - UNLESS, the odds of discovery and the size of penalty under the terms of the contract prohibits the company from violating it.

                      Private companies have no advantage over public companies concerning violations of a contract or of the law [SOX rules don't apply to private companies because there's no public interest in private company finances]. If any company, publicly owned or privately owned, violates the conditions of a contract with the government, it is subject to accountability for such violations (as provided for in the contract or as adjudicated by the courts).

                      On the other hand, when the government itself errs, there is little recourse (Example - Who's paying for destroying the CIA's torture tapes, or authorizing torture in the first place?). Where's the accountability for extraordinary renditions? When the executive breaks the law, who's gonna enforce it? Who's even gonna address it (compromise of National Security claims)?

                      I agree that privatization should not occur in some areas of government action - those areas where the two sides cannot agree on terms.
                      Last edited by salmoned; January 9, 2008, 10:50 AM. Reason: Left something out
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                      • #12
                        Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                        They do?! They already own our landline phone company on island and it's still a screwed-up mess in the billing dept. What a wonderful world it will be.....singing it, yes.
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                          Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                          Sounds as if they want to 'control' the world.
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                          • #14
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                            Lemme shoot from the hip and guess who all is highly invested and/or on the board of it. Bush Sr? Ted Turner? Kissinger? Rockefeller? Cyrus Vance?
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                              Re: Carlyle Group wants to own the world

                              Originally posted by Karen View Post
                              Lemme shoot from the hip and guess who all is highly invested and/or on the board of it. Bush Sr? Ted Turner? Kissinger? Rockefeller? Cyrus Vance?
                              How about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?
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