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turtlegirl
July 27th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Hi! We finally got our garden going! The plants are mostly turning out nice and strong. We tried 3 times to grow veggies since we moved in here in May, and the first two gardens died pretty quickly. So, we learned from a few mistakes. But this one must live!!

We planted several types of peppers and tomatos, Maui onions, eggplants, artichokes, 3 types of lettuce, spinach, turnips, carrots, lemongrass, and green onions. And papayas.

Now there's flowers on the tomato plants, and a teeny tiny tomato!

Which has turned me into an overprotective parent. :eek:

Now I'm worried that bugs will eat it before I get to!

What can I do to proactively protect my plant? This is my first vegetable garden. I don't know what to look for, as far as symptoms of problems. Or bugs. Or birds.

Anyone have any tips to share about how to help your garden plants, especially things related to gardening in Hawaii?

Ron Whitfield
July 27th, 2008, 05:37 PM
For the 'spreader' veggies like tomatoes, try the up-side-down style that can now be found en-mass on a google search. I tried it last year with limited success.
The Navy has another cool way to grow aboard ships, with the stalk growing up inside vertical PVC piping with 1/4" holes drilled for the 'arms' to poke out, and this allowed for close planting and easy pickin's.
These methods should work for many different types of vine veggies.
Bon appetite!

turtlegirl
July 28th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Snail!! Tonight I found a giant snail with a pretty shell. Is that good or bad?

Adri
July 28th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Snail bad. Snail will eat your tender shoots and leaves and buds. Was it an african snail?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achatina_fulica

Try Bug-Geta to get rid of the snails or, if you no like, then just pick up the snails and snail eggs and dispose of them :)

lavagal
July 28th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Snails, particularly the African variety, are my personal garden demons! We use Corey's Slug Bait in the powdery formula. The thing is, we have a lot, thanks to lots of leaves on the ground and lots of shrubbery. When we do a slug and snail genocide, the yard stinks and you've got flies for a while. After a day in the sun it's best to sweep up the dried-up suckahs so you can enjoy your yard again!

Amati
July 28th, 2008, 09:42 PM
This non-pesticide method is kind of gross, but it works.

Take an empty large can (like a coffee can), dig a hole and bury it up to the rim in the garden, near where the snails and slugs are a problem. Then pour in a few generous inches of beer. Real beer (not watery light beer). During the night, the snails and slugs are attracted to the beer and enter into the can and drown.

Now for the gross part, in the morning the can has a little circus of drowned or drowning critters. You have to pull out the can and empty the contents, and then repeat it again with fresh beer.

I used to do it every day in my orchid house. It works, but takes a strong stomach.

turtlegirl
July 29th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Ewwww. It was an African snail. I should've tossed it 3 yards down when I had the chance.

lavagal
July 29th, 2008, 10:46 AM
we use tuna cans with beer in them. less beer, which to me, is an important factor. haha.

Amati
July 30th, 2008, 08:06 PM
we use tuna cans with beer in them. less beer, which to me, is an important factor. haha.
I never tried a small can, because I had thought that the snails would be able to crawl out. Guess a drunk snail will drown in 1" of beer, regardless of the size of the can? Sort of like a drunk passed out in a gutter with 1" of water can drown? :eek:

kani-lehua
July 31st, 2008, 03:39 PM
there are many organic and/or natural products out there, too. if you are going to go this route, it takes a lot of vigilance for pest control and soil amendment/fertilizers.

i've had success with these: baby bells, tomatoes (beefsteaks), green onions, lettuce, oregano and mint. of course there's the MANGOES and GUAVAS that i don't eat.

relatively good success with: jalapeno peppers, two different cukes, asian eggplants and basil.

little success: bananas

no success: different types of herbs.

trying again: papayas, habanero and banana peppers.


and, do try the beer for the snails. it does work. my neighbor across the street as a different idea on controlling them: when found, toss them into the street. ick. no matter the method you choose, it's nasty.

StinkyTheGrump
January 13th, 2009, 03:03 PM
I've had good luck with -
cherry tomatoes
beefsteak tomatoes
genoa basil
sweet basil
thyme
oregano
cuban oregano
rosemary
parsley
guava
habanero peppers

bad luck with -
pineapple
hawaiian peppers (keep getting eaten)
bell peppers

We don't really do much other than water the garden when needed, put chicken wire cages over the tomato plants to keep off the birds, and stake the basil plants so they don't fall over.

snowbird
January 13th, 2009, 03:54 PM
bad luck with -
pineapple
hawaiian peppers (keep getting eaten)
bell peppers

Hi there. What happened with your pineapples? Did you buy plants or try start from the top of ones you ate? I buy them to eat, cut off tops and root them. Still waiting to get blossoms and fruits.

Also, sorry, what are Hawaiian peppers? Hot peppers? Thank you for your help.

barb

StinkyTheGrump
January 13th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Actually the bad luck with the pineapples is really just my lack of patience. We've had the same pineapple that we planted about 8 months ago and it still never has born fruit. Are they supposed to take that long?? The Hawaiian chili peppers are hot peppers that I unfortunately have not had a chance to taste yet. Some buggah eats em before I ever get a chance.

SusieMisajon
January 13th, 2009, 11:12 PM
Two words. "Ruth Stout"

Barry
January 13th, 2009, 11:52 PM
I used to rent an apt off McCulley on many of my visits to Oahu. I worked there for a few months at a time and have several friends who live there.

They tell me that the heavy rains have washed a lot of the pesticides from the golf course and other green areas into the canal. Of course, I used to cross the bridge there every day, look down at the canoe club and then carry on for my breakfast to the International market.

I am informed that the fishermen I used to see trying their luck in the canal have now moved on as it has become dead.
Will somebody tell me it has improved ?

snowbird
January 15th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Actually the bad luck with the pineapples is really just my lack of patience. We've had the same pineapple that we planted about 8 months ago and it still never has born fruit. Are they supposed to take that long?? The Hawaiian chili peppers are hot peppers that I unfortunately have not had a chance to taste yet. Some buggah eats em before I ever get a chance.
Oh, yeah... I thought it took at least two years to get the fruits.... But I do believe some of my plants may be older than that! I have lots of patience. but No fruits... I bought another one, at Home Depot, with a baby fruit on it, til my mom (with Alzheimer's) picked it before it was ready.... Drat!

Hot peppers, no way. Can't eat anything hotter than Jalapenos.

Susie, I know who Ruth Stout is, and stupidly eBayed her book! Dummy me, what was I thinking? Now I'll have to go get it again. She is revered!

turtlegirl
January 17th, 2009, 11:49 AM
Here's something nifty - my backyard has 5 random tomato plants growing stronger than the ones I planted on purpose. I'm guessing that the birds are eating some tomatoes, and, um, dropping seeds in the yard. :p

Anybody have any luck growing lettuce? I can get 3 types going for about a month, but they always go to seed, and then you can't eat them anymore.

Also, my bell peppers only grow to the size of a ping pong ball. What's up with those?

Hey, Snowbird, didn't you mention you had tips for growing papayas?

Ron Whitfield
January 17th, 2009, 12:38 PM
That's how it always seems to go with tomato plants, the more you try to help them the more they crap out. Ignore them and you'll have more tomatos than you can handle.

Composite 2992
January 18th, 2009, 10:27 AM
Actually the bad luck with the pineapples is really just my lack of patience. We've had the same pineapple that we planted about 8 months ago and it still never has born fruit.

From my days at Dole, I recall that pineapples usually take up to two years to bear fruit.

snowbird
January 18th, 2009, 09:43 PM
Anybody have any luck growing lettuce? I can get 3 types going for about a month, but they always go to seed, and then you can't eat them anymore.

Also, my bell peppers only grow to the size of a ping pong ball. What's up with those?

Hey, Snowbird, didn't you mention you had tips for growing papayas?
Turtlegirl, I can give you lots of advice on what not to do. First, I always seem to plant the lettuce too late in the season, (lazy) and it "bolts" too fast. Needs the coolest weather possible. No hot hot sun.

Last season I let my man put in the plants from Home Depot. He did a good quick job, all looked pretty, but everything was growing like miniature Bonsai. I dug em out after the end of season, and those pretty peppers had been rootbound... he never shook off the perlite potting mix squares that they grew into inside their pots, and feathered out the roots, so the plants could grow strong and big. They had been starving for nutrients. Same thing happened to the eggplant and tomatoes. Tiny little Bonsai fruit... so cute. So sad. Not going to be so lazy, come this next summer.

On papayas... mine are in pots. No fruit yet, but the key is to not overwater these, even though I really want to... touchy buggahs, and too dry, too wet makes them not flower or fruit. Be sure you have the male female ratio needed to set the pollination in motion. My Hawaiian plants came three in a container, except the Babaco type. That one self-pollinates. Wish me luck. the guy down the block has tons of papaya! I'm so jealous, need to make friends, eh?

Good luck with the lettuce and all. I finally have success with the winter veg, so far, so good. If you get bugs, I'll tell you my secret organic trick. I'm terrified of tomato worms, eww! SB

spookrepitus
January 25th, 2009, 04:35 PM
For snails, I strongly suggest using the beer trick instead of snail bait, especially if you have pets. Snail bait is also very effective at killing dogs:eek:

carolyn

Arriflexer
May 3rd, 2010, 12:10 AM
Male / female papaya...??? is there a way to tell before they get too big and or before the flower... whether it is male or female. I let a really healthy one grow and grow and it looks great but it turns out to be male.
Would love to know.

surlygirly
May 3rd, 2010, 03:31 AM
Anyone got anything good for keeping out rabbits other than a fence? We spent 14 hours last Sunday tilling up our front flower bed and now have Petunias, a rosebush, and a hydrangea plant- along with the now nicely trimmed back shrubbery that was already there. But I'm afraid those rabbits will eat all of my petunias. Any special tricks?

Also, I know that acidic soil will turn a pink hydrangea blue. Does anyone know how I can raise the pH of the soil to keep my plant pink?

Menehune Man
May 3rd, 2010, 12:44 PM
Took this of my wife at her garden (Ala Wai C-6) this morning!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3352/4575906309_14683bfe23.jpg

Flickr set (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69891231@N00/sets/72157623986246152/) will add more later...

craigwatanabe
May 3rd, 2010, 04:50 PM
copper sulphate around your tomatos will deter snails. I've tried using pennies with great results. Set up a ring of pennies around the perimeter of the base of your tomato plant. Snails touch the copper and develop an electrical charge and back off. The copper and the snail's mucus form a sort of battery effect just like copper sulphate.

turtlegirl
May 19th, 2010, 11:43 PM
EW! I have these wierd looking cocoons (?) all around my yard! They look like very small beige pinecones. What is it!?!

craigwatanabe
May 20th, 2010, 07:31 AM
EW! I have these wierd looking cocoons (?) all around my yard! They look like very small beige pinecones. What is it!?!

moths. They kinda flap around while hanging onto things like window sills, rafters, whatever yeah?

I smash them before they hatch.

turtlegirl
May 20th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Eeeewwwwwwwwwww!!! I gave them a dose of raid. Gross!! Moths? Is there any benefit to having 50 moths hatch in my backyard?

craigwatanabe
May 20th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Eeeewwwwwwwwwww!!! I gave them a dose of raid. Gross!! Moths? Is there any benefit to having 50 moths hatch in my backyard?

Nope. Kill em all. I use a small propane torch and toast the bastards.