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amagab
August 4th, 2008, 05:08 PM
We have quite a big patio that currently is covered with an outside carpet. It has withstood rain and sun for many many years. Well, it's actually quite ugly and I want to put down a wood floor. We have engineered Mahogany in our living room and I've seen many pictures with houses that have wood floors on their patio.

This is the thing: We live on the mountain in Kaneohe so the weather can take a beating on ones house. About 1/3 of the patio gets hit by sunlight sometime during the day and about 1/5 gets rain on it whenever it rains, which is quite often in Kaneohe.

What type of wood should I go with? Are there special weather proofed woods?

Does any other member here have wood on their outside patio? What are your suggestions?

Thanks!

kani-lehua
August 4th, 2008, 05:22 PM
what about some sort of decking type material or slate? some other type of natural stone?

amagab
August 4th, 2008, 05:26 PM
what about some sort of decking type material or slate? some other type of natural stone?

Thanks for your response. We have considered stone but we wanted something softer than natural stone. Wood is both beautiful and the softest material (to my knowledge) other than carpet.

leashlaws
August 4th, 2008, 06:17 PM
We had a wooden deck when we first moved in. It was trashed as we live in Iolaka'a valley in Kaneohe and wood was the last thing we wanted to replace with. We ended up with Eon which is a great synthetic that replicates wood quite nicely and we don't have to worry about falling through in years to come!:)

amagab
August 4th, 2008, 06:31 PM
We had a wooden deck when we first moved in. It was trashed as we live in Iolaka'a valley in Kaneohe and wood was the last thing we wanted to replace with. We ended up with Eon which is a great synthetic that replicates wood quite nicely and we don't have to worry about falling through in years to come!:)

I've never heard of Eon so I'll check it out. We don't have to worry about falling through because our patio has a concrete foundation.

amagab
August 4th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Btw, what's the pricing on Eon. We have a deck that is entirely in wood that is falling apart and will need a replacement. I see that Eon makes more than just flooring.

localmoco
August 5th, 2008, 09:30 AM
Also consider Trex decking. It's a composite material made of wood and plastic fibers that is much more durable than natural wood. It comes in a variety of styles with wood grain finish, etc. Most of the local lumber yards carry it.

amagab
August 5th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Thanks, I'll check it out. I'm a little hesitant to use synthetic materials. I like the natural look and feel. For example, I prefer wood floor to laminate, wood fencing to vinyl fencing, etc. I'm always open to suggestions though so I'll take a look.

Thanks again!

leashlaws
August 5th, 2008, 09:46 AM
My eon looks very much like wood I considered Trex but liked the look of eon better - I've a friend who has Trex don't really like the look of the deck.
I don't remember how much it cost we got it through Wayne's Lumber in Kaneohe. This was about 3 or 4 years ago, it has held up well and looks
great and does not get real slippery when wet.

kani-lehua
August 5th, 2008, 09:55 AM
for me, i wouldn't even consider wood for the patio due to the rain. the sun? well, that may not be a problem. maybe you could "waterproof" by using thompson's water seal? you'd probably have to sand and reseal over the years.

Da Rolling Eye
August 5th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Thanks, I'll check it out. I'm a little hesitant to use synthetic materials. I like the natural look and feel. For example, I prefer wood floor to laminate, wood fencing to vinyl fencing, etc. I'm always open to suggestions though so I'll take a look.

Thanks again!

Unless you can extend your roof or weatherproof the patio, I'd suggest looking into composite, stone, ceramic or even sheet vinyl. Btw, the vinyl also comes in "planks" for that wood floor look. Something we're considering as we have an active child and dogs. :D

Although you say only a small portion of the patio is exposed either to rain or sunshine, that small portion is going to experience damage and it will ruin the look of the entire floor. I've seen flooring as you would like in expensive beachside homes and I gotta say they were not pretty. Mind you the damage was limited to only small portions of the patios, but there was degraded finishes, discoloration or fading, cracking and warping, shrinkage, bug damage, water damage, dry rot, on and on. The owners simply couldn't keep up with the maintainence.

There is no ideal wood for your planned application. Also, you can't just plop down a wood floor over a concrete slab. You have to also consider air circulation between the wood flooring and the concrete or use a moisture guard of some type over the concrete. If you have the resources and time to keep up with maintainence, then the sky's the limit. :)

kani-lehua
August 5th, 2008, 04:41 PM
sounds like one would have to invest a lot of time, money and maintenance.

we live a block from the beach and corrosion is a problem. while that might not directly apply to amagab's situation, one must consider the elements. we could/would never install wood in our patio for that reason and because of the sand and dogs. the entire house including the patio is tiled.

Da Rolling Eye
August 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
We used to live across from The Valley of The Temples and installed outdoor redwood decking. Thompson's and all, it still turned grey and got totally weathered. I'd hate to see someone spend big bucks on beautiful wood flooring only to have a few small weathered areas make the rest look like crap. :p

Up here in the central area, we bought 2 wood park benches, polyurethaned the wood and both fell apart inside a year and a half. Wood just turned black and rotted away. I kept the iron sides in hopes of finding composite bench slats. I've seen them around, just don't know who sells them nor have I looked. Eh, one of these days. Way too much other stuff with priority right now. :D

kani-lehua
August 5th, 2008, 06:21 PM
come to think of it, we thompson water sealed our redwood gates and they are all weathered as well. i was thinking just the other day to paint the darn things. eh, i dunno? some people like a weathered look for their fences/gates.

amagab
August 13th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Yes, redwood is what our current deck is made out of and although it looks like crap now it's been holding up for almost 30 years. Redwood rocks!!! Too bad it's so expensive and hard to get.

If we had no kids I would use a lot more natural stone but our kids run around too much and hit hear noggin quite often so I'd like something softer.

alohatim
August 14th, 2008, 09:40 PM
I had a very nice deck made of ipe. Ipe is very hard and durable. Our deck was finished with Australian Tree Oil. I loved that because it was very easy to touch up. Whenever an area looked weathered, you just wipe some more on with a rag. I would not recommend Sikkens for any area that gets sun. You will be sanding and refinishing all the time.

kani-lehua
November 17th, 2008, 10:54 AM
a friend came over and sanded all the redwood fencing (removed the thompson's water seal) and applied man o'war spar varnish by mccloskkey. looks beautiful and required severa coats. however, it costs app. 50 bucks per gallon.

LikaNui
November 17th, 2008, 11:18 AM
a friend came over and sanded all the redwood fencing (removed the thompson's water seal) and applied man o'war spar varnish by mccloskkey. looks beautiful and required severa coats. however, it costs app. 50 bucks per gallon. And it'll be a real handful to maintain, especially here in the tropics. Plan on lots of sanding and revarnishing each year.
Next time around, build up 8 to 10 base coats with Interlux's "Jet Speed" varnish (you can put on multiple coats each day), then just do a couple of finish coats using the Man O'War or similar, for the added UV protection. Then it's easier next time to just do a light sanding and another finish coat or two. And it's a lot cheaper, too!
And when you're done there... wanna come varnish my boat? :p

kani-lehua
November 17th, 2008, 11:53 AM
shoots! didn't know about the "jet speed" varnish.

um, no thanks. i can't get over the smell of that stuff:p. sure does linger awhile. even the dogs were sneezing. i'm still procrastinating and haven't finished painting the window sills on the inside of the house along with other touchups. and, there's still the hollow tile wall in the paito that isn't finished.
auwe!

amagab
November 17th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Man, I still haven't decided what to do but it's getting to be high time. I want something nice and natural but still gentle to walk on. It's a highly trafficked area.

Composite 2992
November 17th, 2008, 12:59 PM
As mentioned, wood is out of the question if rotting is a concern.

Here's the Trex website for reference: http://www.trex.com/

A home in Manoa had Trex decking installed. I haven't seen it since the construction but it handled like wood. The exception is that it's not as stiff as wood and requires more support.

Also, depending on how the patio is in relation to the doorway, you might have to demolish the existing slab. Otherwise the deck will be higher than the interior floor and that's not good at all.

Other than a synthetic or composite, the only option is stone or other masonry. Fungus and other microbes love eating up wood. And if left unprotected or allowed to remain moist, almost any kind of wood will be returned to nature in a fairly short period of time.

LikaNui
November 17th, 2008, 01:16 PM
Here's the Trex website for reference: http://www.trex.com/ I've used Trex extensively in the past, so I second that suggestion. I always found the best prices through Honsador Lumber.

amagab
November 17th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll go check it out. Where is Honsador Lumber located?

turtlegirl
November 17th, 2008, 01:48 PM
And when you're done there... wanna come varnish my boat? :p

Hahaha! Me & the BF will varnish your boat...at the sandbar!!
:D
Seriously, "will trade boat chores for sandbar trips!"

....or for good talkstory and a 6 pack...

tutusue
November 17th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll go check it out. Where is Honsador Lumber located?
Google is your friend (http://www.google.com/search?q=honsador%2Blumber&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)!

LikaNui
November 17th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Hahaha! Me & the BF will varnish your boat...at the sandbar!! :D Seriously, "will trade boat chores for sandbar trips!" Oh sure, you make that offer on a really rainy day with the wind honking at around 25 knots and the ocean stirred up like a washing machine. :p

escondido100
November 17th, 2008, 06:14 PM
the very best deck coating product is by sikkens http://www.nam.sikkens.com/product.cfm?product_id=41&product_category=deck we have used it extensively on high end homes here in kona with very good results. available at I.C.I. paints stores and maybe a few other places. we have used it on all kinds of wood including the brazilian ironwood. it is expensive though about 80 dollars a gallon if i recall.