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1stwahine
December 17th, 2004, 09:31 PM
:( Just found out that Wisteria and K.C. Drive INN will be closing for good. Two of my favorite places to eat out. Mini Garden on the corner of Hotel Street and Smith Street will be closing but will be opening up somewhere else, site still unknown. Our family restaurant was also closed three months ago after years in business too. Local establishments closing left and right. Reason, it costs to much to stay in business. Sewer,Grease trap,Health Dept. certifications and fees, fees for everything and anything. Then theres the rent,utilities,rubbish, etc. etc. I was sad that we had to close and upset at my mom for selling the business. Today, I am happy and understand the reasons why. The money made from the sale paid all the outstanding bills and then some. We don't worry about other things, only on ourselves and our family. Yes, I know why local restaurants are closing firsthand! Sure gonna miss that Pork Tofu from Wisteria and the Waffle Hot Dogs from K.C. Drive Inn.

1stwahine

kimo55
December 17th, 2004, 09:43 PM
:( Just found out that Wisteria and K.C. Drive INN will be closing for good.

Our family restaurant was also closed three months ago 1stwahine


If true, so sad! too often we see the demise of what once spelled Hawaii for us. Too soon, our island will resemble the mainland and more's the pity.


(btw; what was your restaurant?)

1stwahine
December 17th, 2004, 09:59 PM
If true, so sad! too often we see the demise of what once spelled Hawaii for us. Too soon, our island will resemble the mainland and more's the pity.


(btw; what was your restaurant?)

Aloha Kimo! Our restaurant was Benny's Restaurant where Robert Caz came daily to eat! I make the best Fried Chicken,Beef Stew and Chop Steak. KHON2 Malolo Morales featured our restaurant when my kids were in Iraq.

1stwahine

Miulang
December 18th, 2004, 06:45 AM
It is sad that a lot of the little local places are being forced to close down. Institutions like the Wisteria and KC Drive Inn and Benny's can't be replaced by the chains that are so pervasive everywhere. Just another sign of the "WM'ing" of Honolulu! Pretty soon the only good grinds you're going to be able to find is the food you cook for yourself at home. :(

Miulang

kimo55
December 18th, 2004, 06:56 AM
It is sad that a lot of the little local places are being forced to close down. Institutions like the Wisteria and KC Drive Inn and Benny's can't be replaced by the chains that are so pervasive everywhere. Just another sign of the "WM'ing" of Honolulu! Pretty soon the only good grinds you're going to be able to find is the food you cook for yourself at home. :(

Miulang


It's another sign, also that Hawaii is the most anti small business state in amerika.

mel
December 18th, 2004, 09:59 AM
It's another sign, also that Hawaii is the most anti small business state in amerika.

We all lament about the passing of many small eateries and local establishments yet every year the same tired old "tax and spend" liberals get voted into the legislature. The 40 year stranglehold of the Democrats are to blame in part for the high taxes, overregulation and eventual closure of many of these places. Small businesses simply cannot keep up with the ever draining expenses that Hawaii's burdensome business climate has put upon the businesses in this state.

We had our chance to change this in November. But what happened? All the liberals came out and voted more "tax and spend" Democrats back into the legislature. This is definitely not a way to create a more business friendly state, because mark my words, these liberals are going to propose even more regulations and tax increases this coming session.

:(

Linkmeister
December 18th, 2004, 10:35 AM
Oh, I don't know. I kinda like knowing that the dishwater isn't recycled into the water glasses, and the grease traps are cleaned so there aren't rat colonies in the kitchen.

pzarquon
December 18th, 2004, 12:18 PM
I miss the good ol' days as much as anyone, but c'mon, it ain't always the mean guv'ment and those damn liberals. Hell, in most of the recent "old time place closing" stories I can recall, the reason is simple and perfectly understandable: the "old time" owners want to retire, and no one in their family can or wants to take over.

Wisteria, the old Columbia Inn, Kelly's Coffee Shop (I think), Arakawa's General Store... they weren't "put" out of business. Their founders also wanted some well-earned rest, and the money from the sale of the property (if not the business) was the icing on the cake.

Heck, half the charm of places like these are the people behind them. Even if the name lived on under new management, who knows if it would've been the same? Fact is, most of the folks in subsequent generations are pursuing opportunities and fields that weren't available to their entrepreneurial, life-by-the-seat-of-their-pants parents.

They worked hard at running the family restaurant, with nary a day off, to send their kids to college and have a better life... so it's not entirely a tragedy that their kids don't plan to stick around and work the fryers when they finally retire.

I like Wisteria, and it's my daughter's favorite restaurant in town. Despite the funky smell from the meeting rooms and the occasional scurryiing bug, it had a warmth and charm that you can't buy. I'll miss it, and will definitely make a last trip there before they're gone for good.

By the way, I think Mini Garden in Chinatown is moving down to S. King Street in Moiliili, near where Jimbo's and the old King's Bakery are located.

sheik yerfani
December 18th, 2004, 02:42 PM
A place that I enjoyed eating and drinking has been gone for sometime now. That was the PCT, Pearl City Tavern. Good food and a nice bar as well. By the way, I was told that Jimmey Bufffet is opening a Maragarita Bar in Waikiki. Hope so. The Cheeseburger Waikiki in the old Sizzler location looks nice and when I go by on The Bus it is always full. This surprises me, because I thought the location was poor.

1stwahine
December 18th, 2004, 03:44 PM
:D Benny's may be closed but I'm still cooking as ever. This morning I donated a Roast Turkey to my church who will be feeding the Elderly and Disabled in Ewa. Right now I'm eating Kalua Pig and Cabbage,Loco(not Moco), and Chicken Longrice w/Shitake Mushrooms. On the stove I'm boiling ham hocks for Port.Bean Soup! Yeah, it might be only my 80 yr. old MAMA,my other half and me...but we have a lot of former customers,friends and family that seems to come buy just to see whats cooking and kaukau for FREE theses days! We are truly blessed!

Dear Linkmeister, We didn't have any qualms about keeping the place up-to-standards. Infact, I'm a fanatic when it comes to cleaniness. I was referring to the fees upon fees for everything and anything. I would have loved continuing the business but now I enjoy the non hectic daily schedule that we have. Plus the fact that ill health has taken over.Happy Holidays to you and your family!GOD BLESS AMERICA!

1stwahine!

mel
December 18th, 2004, 06:48 PM
I miss the good ol' days as much as anyone, but c'mon, it ain't always the mean guv'ment and those damn liberals. Hell, in most of the recent "old time place closing" stories I can recall, the reason is simple and perfectly understandable: the "old time" owners want to retire, and no one in their family can or wants to take over.

While most of these places did close because the owners retired, wanted to sell, had no one younger to take over the business, in the overall scheme of things the cost of doing business has escalated very much over the years and decades that some of these businesses have been around.

A lot of these businesses and many more (90% of Hawaii is small business) have had to put up with general excise taxes, transient accomodations taxes, escalating unemployment and workers comp costs, numerous fees and licenses required by government, and a whole lot more. The mandatory prepaid health plan requirement placed upon all employers and businesses is a major cost to doing business in Hawaii. We are the only state in the union that has such a socialistic law. It is supposed to be a benefit, not a right. This costs businesses money.

Now we have the beverage recycling tax and in this coming session the threat of a county sales tax looms large on the horizon.

Hawaii is still not a good place to do business. A reversal in tax and regulation policy/laws will be a positive sign that Hawaii is ready to be a good place to do business. Otherwise our well deserved, ill-begotten reputation as a bad place to do business will continue.

1stwahine
December 18th, 2004, 09:34 PM
Hawaii is still not a good place to do business. A reversal in tax and regulation policy/laws will be a positive sign that Hawaii is ready to be a good place to do business. Otherwise our well deserved, ill-begotten reputation as a bad place to do business will continue. Aloha Mel! EXACTO MUNDO BRADDAH! You said it!

1stwahine

craigwatanabe
December 18th, 2004, 10:48 PM
applause!!!

kimo55
December 31st, 2004, 12:43 PM
I like knowing the dishwater isn't recycled into the water glasses, and the grease traps are cleaned so there aren't rat colonies in the kitchen.



make no mistake.
small one-off restaurants have no monopoly on this.
this kinda junk will and does happen with national coroporate chain eateries as much as with local shops.

kimo55
December 31st, 2004, 01:01 PM
While most of these places did close because the owners retired, wanted to sell, had no one younger to take over the business, in the overall scheme of things the cost of doing business has escalated very much over the years and decades that some of these businesses have been around.



Went into the Wisteria yesterday to get a little video footage of the last day. before the wrecking ball decimates it and another 35 story condo building blocks out more of our view of the mtns and sky...

Grabbed a few souvenirs... mementos. Imagine; they were using the same cool paper placemats they bought from a company in 1966.

talked with a few employees:
Why you guys closing down?

three things:
The rising cost of doing business in Hawaii.
The downturn of business. It got too slow to continue.
Owner wants to retire.

Now, my perspective is, IF... this island were not being over-run to such a degree by mainland/multinational corporate chain restaurants and fast food joints,
AND... if the overtaxing and over regulation of businesses, and high expense and anti small business sentiment the city and state have here... were NOT in place...
maybe, just possibly, the owners would have delayed the retirement, and also, others would have seen it a more conducive setting to continue the Wisteria tradition...

Kalihiboy
January 1st, 2005, 12:40 AM
Went into the Wisteria yesterday to get a little video footage of the last day. before the wrecking ball decimates it and another 35 story condo building blocks out more of our view of the mtns and sky...

talked with a few employees:
Why you guys closing down?

three things:
The rising cost of doing business in Hawaii.
The downturn of business. It got too slow to continue.
Owner wants to retire. Well of course its much more expensive to run a business now than it was during the 1970's based on taxes and wages alone. As much as I despise most of American capitalism and its greed, taxes and wages should increase
because everything around us, in general costs more so you have to in turn raise it.

I can understand the owners want to retire they have had these establishments running in the family for 30-50 years and people simply get burnt out. If I had the money I would love to keep them all in business to carry on traditions as I hate to see all these condos and mainland companies and fast food restaurants being built everywhere. However, alot of your mainland fast food places are owned individually as franchises like your McDonald's, Subway's, etc. So in theory the businesses are employing locals and owned by local people so that is a good thing.

Kenny's Burger House closed and a new McDonalds was built in its place and that place is almost always crowded especially weekday afternoons when school lets out. But I miss playing the videogames at Kenny's and there seems to be less places to sit down and eat at this new McDonald's.

Hopefully Kenny's Restaurant will stick around for years to come, but you never know.

Does anyone know when KC Drive Inn shuts their doors for good? I would like to get a ono ono shake before my chances for it melts away literally.

KalihiBoy

kimo55
January 1st, 2005, 06:59 AM
Well of course its much more expensive to run a business now than it was during the 1970's based on taxes and wages alone. As much as I despise most of American capitalism and its greed, taxes and wages should increase because everything around us, in general costs more so you have to in turn raise it.



well, of course there is MUCH more to it than that. Don't do any more research in this area, because you will probably receive a shock to your fragile system that you may not survive.


KalihiBoy wrote:

mainland fast food places are owned individually as franchises like your McDonald's, Subway's, etc. So in theory the businesses are employing locals and owned by local people so that is a good thing.



here's a new perspective, apparently not entertained in some corners:
I believe the world would be a better place if these selfsame employees were busy at a local company rather than the low wage insecure position they have now in a fastfood joint that took the place of a fully local establishment.


The thin perspective and non arguement that mcdonald, walmart, whoever, employs dozens of people has, thru the history of the subject, always fallen flat the moment anyone puts their mind to the full implications of the over run condition of our island by Corporate america.


there are always those that see fastfood joints and large mainland stores supplanting previous local food and general merchandise companies as a good thing. How? The "it creates jobs" saying being parroted by nonthinkers wanting only their nationally advertised name brands, greazy burgers and synthetic shakes don't see there were jobs in place before, for these people. and mainland companies come here and poof; there goes the neighborhood.




Kenny's Burger House closed and a new McDonalds was built in its place and that place is almost always crowded especially weekday afternoons when school lets out.



yeaaa... sooo... this is a good thing in some eyes? I say nope.
sad state of affairs; children are being taught to be raised on crrraaap. and it seems to be all o.k.
not from where I stand.

Just aside from the universally known fact that McD and their ilk provide no worthwhile sustenance good for any body, I am against them in principle; they help the descruction of a landmark building; the Haleiwa theatre.





Does anyone know when KC Drive Inn shuts their doors for good? I would like to get a ono ono shake before my chances for it melts away literally.



IF.. you were already, on an occasional basis, going in to K.C for their shakes that are supposedly held in favor by you, and not wait until the last minute, maybe places like KC and other local establishments would remain alive. And their employees would remain, well, employed, and to me that's a good thing. Some others, for some reasons beyond my comprehension, see this as a bad thing And some would rather see places like this destroyed and another McDonalds open up there, which I view as a very bad thing, but, for some unfathomless reason, again, others see as a good thing.

One major complaint some of the employees at Wisteria mentioned was, and I am paraphrasing; "once people heard Wysteria was closing, they swarmed in. the bad news created business. where were they before? Where was their allegiance before the news of iminent demise?"


probably at mcdonalds. and that is not a good thing.





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1stwahine
January 1st, 2005, 07:48 AM
One major complaint some of the employees at Wisteria mentioned was, and I am paraphrasing; "once people heard Wysteria was closing, they swarmed in. the bad news created business. where were they before? Where was their allegiance before the news of iminent demise?"

probably at mcdonalds. and that is not a good thing. Yeah, where were they? MacDonalds,Jack-In-The Box,BurgerKing...old timers as well as their younger generation still have the recipes. Hopefully, there will be a new era when the people will want LOCAL KINE KAUKAU again, and we'll see places opening up left and right...ahhh, but that is only a personal thought!

Kalihiboy
January 1st, 2005, 08:18 PM
well, of course there is MUCH more to it than that. Don't do any more research in this area, because you will probably receive a shock to your fragile system that you may not survive. Witty comeback. I'll take your economics degree that you have to heart and like a sponge sink in all the info. As you said I probably need all the help I can get since I dont know anything about economics. But you do, so thanks.

here's a new perspective, apparently not entertained in some corners: I believe the world would be a better place if these selfsame employees were busy at a local company rather than the low wage insecure position they have now in a fastfood joint that took the place of a fully local establishment. I agree with your statements 110%, I'm not sure why we are having a argument then?

The thin perspective and non arguement that mcdonald, walmart, whoever, employs dozens of people has, thru the history of the subject, always fallen flat the moment anyone puts their mind to the full implications of the over run condition of our island by Corporate america.

I have read alot of your posts, but it seems obvious you havent read any of mine because I have been anti-Walmart in all of my posts since I registered here.


there are always those that see fastfood joints and large mainland stores supplanting previous local food and general merchandise companies as a good thing. How? The "it creates jobs" saying being parroted by nonthinkers wanting only their nationally advertised name brands, greazy burgers and synthetic shakes don't see there were jobs in place before, for these people. and mainland companies come here and poof; there goes the neighborhood. I hate to say it but alot of the places that closed dont serve the most healthiest items either. But they gave us a more varied menu with more healthier things on the menu I'll give you that.

I still eat at places like Diners in Kalihi, the Fort Street Mall Macy's, Grace's,
Maple Garden and dozens of other places before I select a typical mainland fast food joint.


yeaaa... sooo... this is a good thing in some eyes? I say nope.
sad state of affairs; children are being taught to be raised on crrraaap. and it seems to be all o.k. not from where I stand.
They eat there because its fast and cheap food, convenient and the advertisements are all over the place, not too mention one located just about every 3rd mile it seems on this island. My nephew comes home from school and shows me the McDonalds coupons he received for having good grades and behavior at school from his teachers. Of course none of this justifies or makes it a good thing or right to eat there. I'm just saying its a popular place it seems and sad to think that McDonalds rakes in alot more cash than Kennys Burger House probably ever did.


Just aside from the universally known fact that McD and their ilk provide no worthwhile sustenance good for any body, I am against them in principle; they help the descruction of a landmark building; the Haleiwa theatre.
I agree its wrong for McDonalds, Walmart, etc. to take over a landmark building like that. I hope the Cinerama can re-open one day instead of the auto parts store it now occupys.


IF.. you were already, on an occasional basis, going in to K.C for their shakes that are supposedly held in favor by you, and not wait until the last minute, maybe places like KC and other local establishments would remain alive. And their employees would remain, well, employed, and to me that's a good thing. Some others, for some reasons beyond my comprehension, see this as a bad thing And some would rather see places like this destroyed and another McDonalds open up there, which I view as a very bad thing, but, for some unfathomless reason, again, others see as a good thing.
For the record I used to eat there all the time, perhaps too much, so I scaled back, I'm at fault I guess as much as anyone else for not going there as much as I used to since I have more options and such. Blame all of us then for its closing, not just myself.


One major complaint some of the employees at Wisteria mentioned was, and I am paraphrasing; "once people heard Wysteria was closing, they swarmed in. the bad news created business. where were they before? Where was their allegiance before the news of iminent demise?"
That happens alot people forget about a regular place they used to frequent and when they find out it is closing they flock in droves for the last time. I think the Cinerama had a spike in ticket sales during its final week or so too.

KalihiBoy

1stwahine
January 1st, 2005, 08:37 PM
:D EH, HAPPY NEW YEARS BROS! It's 2005...GOD BLESS EVERYONE AND THEIR FAMILY, GOD BLESS AMERICA!

kimo55
January 2nd, 2005, 09:19 AM
I'll take your economics degree that you have to heart and like a sink sponge huh! You ARE far removed from reality.
A degree mill or an institute of book learnin' (which is very insulated and separated from the actual world of commerce) has absolutely no connection, influence or relevancy to my stance on this subject. Which is, of course, based on decades of direct experience.

(....a sponge in the sink? What da...)


I have read alot of your posts, but it seems obvious you havent read any of mine because I have been anti-Walmart in all of my posts since I registered here. KalihiBoy Hey, what am I, a professional kalihiboy groupie?!

Earn your own fan club.
Or go buy one.

I don't have the time.

"I read your posts, so you should read mine!"

sheesh!

get over yerself.


They eat there because its fast and cheap food, convenient and the advertisements are all over the place, not too mention one located just about every 3rd mile it seems on this island. My nephew comes home from school and shows me the McDonalds coupons he received for having good grades and behavior at school from his teachers. Eh. enuff with the "daily life in a fastfood joint" minutiae. This is starting to resemble yer own reality tv blog!

kimo55
January 2nd, 2005, 11:44 AM
For the record I used to eat there all the time, perhaps too much, so I scaled back...

KalihiBoy


hey, Wisteria!
The reason you guys are closing down, is:
Your customers ate there TOO MUCH!
then, they had to scale back!

Kalihiboy
January 2nd, 2005, 08:31 PM
huh! You ARE far removed from reality.

(....a sponge in the sink? What da...)

....Sorry, I was saying I'll take your information and like a sponge take it all in.

Hey, what am I, a professional kalihiboy groupie?!
Earn your own fan club. Or go buy one.

.....Maybe I should join your fan club.

I don't have the time.

....I'm not the one who has over 750 posts.

"I read your posts, so you should read mine!"

....My point is dont assume that I like all of those mainland companies like Walmart, McDonalds and such, because I dont. And please dont take my words and twist them around acting as if they are my quotes which they are not.

sheesh!

....Bless You!

get over yerself.

....Take your own advice.

Eh. enuff with the "daily life in a fastfood joint" minutiae. This is starting to resemble yer own reality tv blog!

....Did I see you doing standup at Sharkey's awhile back?

KalihiBoy

kimo55
January 2nd, 2005, 08:33 PM
Did I see you doing standup at Sharkey's awhile back?

KalihiBoy


he can't afford me.