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    With all the escalation of gesticulating from both the American side and the Iranian side the last few days, my guess is the next step will be the US will try to get the UN to step in with sanctions. Knowing, of course, that many in the Bush Administration have characterized the UN as being weak and ineffective, this will result in the US "having" to go into Iran to defeat the "bad" Iranians and establish democracy and freedom (hey, it's deja vu all over again! ) just like we're doing in Iraq.

    Hmmm...what will our excuse be? To keep the world from the threat of having Iran use a nuclear weapon on Israel (funny, we have 480 nuclear weapons in strategic locations in Europe, some pointed at Iran, so why shouldn't Iran want to protect itself from us?)

    There was an article today that said the Pentagon was updating its plans for war with Iran, except they said this was a "normal" thing to do. Hmmm again.

    Here's a story that was first published last October which hypothesizes about the real reasons why we declared war on Iraq (sorry guys, it wasn't to get rid of Saddam) and why we will be heading to Iran soon.

    When will we ever learn? And if we do decide to invade Iran, we're gonna get our asses really whupped because these guys are armed to the teeth. What did Saddam have? A few rusty missiles?

    Miulang

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    Miulang, your link to www.globalresearch.ca is much appreciated. William Clark has hit the target. I enjoy his quotes from a couple of centuries ago, they are no less true today.

    "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

    - James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
    Bush2's foreign policy promises continual warfare. At the least, we can only expect ever more errosion of freedom as a result.
    ... ... ...

    "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts."

    - Abraham Lincoln
    Real facts? Bush2 et. al conceal real facts and bring us rivers of lies. The people are not given the truth. The majority seems content with just being given something, so a pabulum of lies, deceptions and arrogance sweetened with a humor of their leaders' imbecility satisfies their conscience.
    ... ... ...

    "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."

    - Thomas Jefferson
    U.S. peoples are so well-fed with US misinformation that they confuse their being well-fed with being well-informed, so it would follow that they cannot be trusted with their own government. One can only wonder just how far wrong the Bush2 US government and economy must go, how much deserved domestic and international derision the U.S. must accrue before the U.S. peoples are attracted enough (away from their plethora of disatractions) to notice they must set things to rights.

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    • #3
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      On Wednesday, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) introduced a bill called "the Iran Freedom and Support Act of 2005, which codifies existing sanctions, controls and regulations in place against Iran; expands the list of entities that can be sanctioned under the Iran-Libya Sanction Act; and authorizes $10 million in assistance to pro-democracy groups opposed to the current Iranian regime..."

      "If signed into law, the bill would set in place standards that would make it more difficult for the government of Iran to have access to revenue and foreign investment that could be used to support terrorism and develop weapons of mass destruction. The legislation outlines that the sanctions the U.S. currently imposes shall remain in place until the president certifies that Iran "no longer poses a threat to the United States or its allies." ...

      The kicker part is we're butting our noses into this by giving the "freedom fighters" $10 million to try to kill off the Islamic regime. Well, I suppose if they can off the mullahs in power without our having to have troops sent there, that's better than having the troops (who thought after their tour in Iraq was over they could come home) shipped off to Iran.

      The part that pisses me off is that the $10 million will probably become a lot more than $10 million; in other words, it could become a bottomless pit with no accountability for where the money is going (again...remember the ghost security officers in Iraq?). In order to get those freedom fighters stirred up enough, we'd still have to send over "advisors" in the form of CIA or special forces to train the insurgents. And then we would have Vietnam and Iraq again.

      Except this time, the armies that would counter any attacks on Iran are more heavily fortified and would probably wipe those forces all over the map.

      Miulang

      http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/G...06CA91E17C.asp
      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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      • #4
        Re: The impending war with Iran

        So who is going to out-testosterone the other? the US or Iran?
        Iran has stated that it will come to the assistance of their Muslim friends in Syria, meaning they will fight the US or Israel or anyone else who tries to accuse Syria of creating unrest in Lebanon.

        And we've pulled out our Ambassador from Damascus for "strategic talks" in Washington, DC, all the while yelling at Syria to get out of Lebanon. In the meantime, Lebanon is accusing the Mossad of blowing up the ex-Premier.

        What I see happening is the Middle East blow up in the US and Europe's faces over the control of Middle East oil and the Muslim religion. Sad sad sad.

        Miulang
        "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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        • #5
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          According to Scott Ritter, a former Marine and a former member of the UNSCOM weapons inspection team, a plan to bomb Iran was submitted and approved by the President. The date of the aerial attack was scheduled for June, 2005.

          "...On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran’s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism. ..."

          In light of the report by Seymour Hersh last month and the admission by the White House that we have been flying drone spy planes over Iran for over a year, something like this would not surprise me in the least.

          Miulang
          "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Re: The impending war with Iran

            So if natural disasters like earthquakes (one happened yesterday that killed approximately 300 people) don't destroy Iran, then we might outsource an attack of Iran by having Israel do the aerial bombing.

            Here are comments by the Israeli Air Force Commander-in-Chief, who while he would not say that Israel would definitely bomb Iran, did say that the Israelis have to be prepared for anything.

            Hmmm. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in June.

            Miulang

            P.S. Israel has been privately pressing for the US to do something about the nuclear proliferation in Iran. They are saying if the US doesn't do something, they might have to aerial bomb the nuclear facilities themselves.
            Last edited by Miulang; February 22, 2005, 05:15 AM.
            "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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            • #7
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              On Feb. 21 in this thread, I reported that the Bush Administration had secretly approved plans to attack Iran on June 5. In the meantime, there has been much fist-shaking at Iran (being backed up by Russia) by Israel and the US.

              Now comes reports that last week, the Israeli inner cabinet has given initial approval for Israel to attack an Iranian nuclear plant.

              "...The plans have been discussed with American officials who are said to have indicated provisionally that they would not stand in Israel’s way if all international efforts to halt Iranian nuclear projects failed. ..."

              The Bush Administration stated about a month ago that either Israel or the US would be attacking Iran if Iran refused to shut down its nuclear plants.

              Hmmm...can Israel wait until June? What will Condi do now?

              Miulang
              "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Yes, it's about oil in Iran, too

                Another story about why if we attack Iran, it won't be because of WMD, terrorists or any other bogus reason we also gave for attacking Iraq. The real reason is to prevent Iran and the EU from destabilizing the American dollar by converting the currency for buying oil from petrodollars to the petroeuro bourse.
                If that ever happens, that means we will no longer control this commodity and therefore will sink off the world economic horizon faster than a lead balloon. Losing control of the petrodollar would cause us to have huge economic repercussions...a stock market crash, another Depression to equal the one in 1929...And as we sink, so do the fortunes of all our "friends" like Great Britain, Australia and the "new world", and the new powerhouses of China and India will rise into the sky.

                Miulang
                "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                • #9
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                  Please go to my blogg to check how i truly feel about this topic. http://www.hawaiistories.com/lynn/

                  today's post 3/24/05 Hooha! My Son Is Coming Home From Afganistan...

                  war over oil again? ssshhhh boom shheee boom, she nananananana kaboom!
                  Be AKAMAI ~ KOKUA Hawai`i!
                  Philippians 4:13 --- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The impending war with Iran

                    Here's a Kashimiri's opinion on the US and an impending attack (predicted for this June) on Iran. Will it be because of the nuclear capability that Iran swears is only for peaceful (i.e., power generation) uses, or for something more subversive, like the US attempt to keep Iran from selling its oil for petro eurodollars instead of U.S.-backed petrodollars and thus further diluting our influence and control over petroleum resources in the Middle East?

                    Interesting to note that this writer also says one of the downfalls of the US economy has been the outsourcing of manufacturing to other countries...as in, why our balance of trade and deficits have grown so much over the last few years.

                    "...The devaluation of the dollar was caused by the American economy shying away from manufacturing local products - except those of the military - by outsourcing the American jobs to the cheaper Third World countries and depending only on the general service sector, and by the huge cost of two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are still going on. Foreign investors started withdrawing their money from the shaky American market causing further devaluation of the dollar. ..."


                    Miulang
                    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Re: The impending war with Iran

                      Cindy Sheehan, a cofounder of the Gold Star Families for Peace, gave the following speech during a bring the troops home rally on April 4.

                      She reminds us that the US goverment is the main reason why Iran has nuclear capability today...that in the 1970's when Gerald Ford was President, he had Donald Rumsfeld as his Sec of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz as the chief arms control administrator and Dick Cheney was his Chief of Staff. Gerald Ford decided that Iran needed to build nuclear reactors, and companies like GE and Westinghouse stood to make beaucoup bux by providing the materials for building the reactors. The Shah of Iran was an American puppet. Unfortunately for the US, the citizens of Iran had other ideas about their government and forced the Shah and his cronies into exile.

                      So now we've come full circle; we want to get rid of the very same capability that we were so willing to offer to the Iranians when "our boy" was in power, now that they have their own government which has ideas about controlling its own oil resources.

                      Somehow, this picture seems oddly familiar.

                      Miulang
                      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                      • #12
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                        Another analysis of why the Bush Administration is so antsy to invade Iran. No, oil is not the only reason, but it appears to be one of the main ones, and also the fact that Iran controls a very strategic piece of water (the Straits of Hormuz) which if they decided to blockade it, would prevent oil (and even more importantly, natural gas) from being shipped out of the Persian Gulf area.

                        As the price of gasoline creeps up to the $3/gallon level (and you guys in Hawai'i will see that probably before the end of the year), and with drilling in ANWR (even if they started today) not expected to be productive for another 10 years, does the Bush Administration really have any other choice? They know the US economy will tank again if people have to choose between buying gas and buying anything other than the bare necessities.

                        Miulang
                        "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          Re: The impending war with Iran

                          Hey, now that our President is advocating for the US to build nuclear plants in order to become more energy self-sufficient, do you think he'll change his mind about allowing Iran to start up their nuclear plant?

                          If he doesn't, doesn't that show him to be rather hypocritical? As in "It's OK for us to have newqular plants because we won't ever use the byproducts for weapons of mass destruction but it's not OK for Iran or North Korea to have them because we all know that the only thing they want to do is build bombs"??

                          Miulang
                          "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            Re: The impending war with Iran

                            Let me see...in May, I wrote that some knowledgeable people were predicting that we or Israel would be attacking Iran around June 6. Well, here it is: June 19, and Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector, writes that we already are at war with Iran. Maybe not with boots on the ground, but apparently we've been flying drones and other spy planes over restricted airspace.

                            Hmmmm....this sounds vaguely familiar, except we haven't started bombing out key defense installations yet. But there IS a Presidential election going on in Iran, and apparently the White House doesn't like the fact that the whoever wins the runoff elections will not dramatically alter Iran's stance on its government or its nuclear program.

                            Also greasing the skids is George Bush, who criticized the elections on Friday and Condoleeeeeeeza, who went on TV today and said that the election results showed that Iran was out of step with democratic reforms in the Middle East. Ohmigawd! I hope there aren't going to be any top secret memoes leaked from the White House saying that we are advocating regime change in Iran, too!

                            Actually, Iran could get the US to back off by simply promising not to change their monetary system for selling oil from the petrodollar to the eurodollar. But of course, it won't. So of course, we have to figure out how to get rid of the Iranian government.

                            It'll be relatively easier for us to attack Iran now...Remember that clandestine trip that Rummy took to Azerbaijian not too long ago to talk with the dictator there? Well, methinks it was to pay that guy off for the use of his country as a staging area to attack Iran. Too bad we don't have enough troops available to stage a successful attack. But Rummy and Cheney believe that the high tech widgets that cost a couple of million bux apiece will be able to take the place of our soldiers. NOT. Can you say, d-r-a-f-t??? I think we should keep our noses out of Iran's business.

                            Miulang
                            Last edited by Miulang; June 19, 2005, 05:19 PM.
                            "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                            • #15
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                              And now the pissing match between Iran and George Bush begins. Tennis, anyone? I believe the "ball" is now in our (the US) court.

                              Miulang
                              "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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