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    Lee Cataluna has an interesting take on a suit being filed by the ACLU on behalf of 2 Mainland residents who claimed they were automatically disqualified from competing for County jobs which required Hawai'i residence.

    As she points out, if Honolulu didn't have that law in black and white, would they still try to prevent out of towners from applying for jobs by other means? Would there be enough local candidates who qualified for some critical positions?

    Miulang
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

    Originally posted by Miulang
    Lee Cataluna has an interesting take on a suit being filed by the ACLU on behalf of 2 Mainland residents who claimed they were automatically disqualified from competing for County jobs which required Hawai'i residence.
    Miulang
    More Hawaii Xenophobia along with some element of racism.

    If Hawaii's state and county positions were truly made up of so called "Locals" you and Ms. Cataluna might have a point. Towns all across America exhibit "small town justice" and "take care of your own first" charateristics. Hawaii is no different.

    But in most of those small towns, the people in "connected" positions really do look like the people in the town.

    Hawaii's state workers are overrepresented by a certain race by 200 or 300%!! Are there 20% Part Hawaiians in State Government? Are there 30% Caucasians in State Government???? Are there 20% Filipinos in State Government? NOPE! Why do government workers look disproportionately like one immigrant race and not the others, not to mention Hawaiians.

    So who was this rule really meant to protect???? "Locals"?????

    How do you define "Local" again Muilang??

    Hmmmmmmmm...

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    • #3
      Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

      Here's your typical state worker:

      Female
      Works as a clerk or DOE school teacher
      Drives Honda Prelude or Acura Legend
      Lives in Pearl City
      Last name is Yamamoto (no relation to the Yamamoto's in Maui)
      Watches KHON evening news diligently
      Has Costco membership
      Ethnicity? Japanese, Chinese or Filipino
      Kids Education? Private school

      Male
      Works as a engineer for the Board of Water Supply
      Drives Toyota 4x4 with lift kit Ulua decal on back window
      Lives in Pearl City with his wife's parents
      Last name is Yamamoto and has a golf membership to Pearl Country Club
      Watches Wheel of Fortune after the KHON 2 evening news
      Has Marukai membership for the Miso Butterfish tubs
      Ethnicity? Pure Japanese but thinks he's Okinawan
      Kid's Education? Whatever Honey wants is good enough for him as long as they sell Zippy's chili fundraising tickets.

      To be a male state worker you gotta: Play golf, fish, hunt pig/Muflon/Erkles, gamble 6/5 sheets, buy $1000 of illegal fireworks from a co-worker's car trunk at lunchtime in the parking lot, be a coach for your kid's little league team, oh and the lastest male state worker thing to do...download pornographic material on a state-owned computer thinking that would look cool as your screensaver while you're spending 2-hours out on your 45-minute lunch break buying illegal fireworks or fresh Opelu from your co-worker's brother's white Igloo ice chest in HIS Toyota 4x4 pickup truck.

      To be a female state worker you gotta: Know how to do arts and crafts in the office breakroom, clip coupons for Long's drugs Wednesday sales, crack chewing gum while talking on the phone for hours while filing your nails without making too much noise with your Hawaiian heirloom gold bracelets, and organize a killer potluck after the kids Saturday Little League baseball game.

      If you cannot do that you're not gonna make a good state worker so you may as well not apply Oh yeah and if you don't know a safety check station that will give you the sticker to put on when you get home (despite that cracked left turn lens on your car)...sorry no can be one state worker.
      Life is what you make of it...so please read the instructions carefully.

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      • #4
        Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

        slightly OT, but...
        this reminds me of sumpin dat pisses me off:
        mainland based corporate chain restaurants (as well as other type businesses from da mainland) hiring kids, people, etc, FROM the mainland for their restaurants and bars here.
        Gawdayum it. ya gonna displace our small shops AND our workers too!?

        Hire local!

        (yea, i KNOW all the rebutts; too many lazy local keeds no like hana... no one qualified for that exact position except Johnny Feinsteen from Lompoc...)
        etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum, and so forth...
        Last edited by kimo55; February 6, 2006, 11:41 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

          There's a position at the Bishop Museum up for grabs with the exhibits Dept. requiring Computer/interactive repair. They're trying for locals but seems lots of mailanders are applying. Hmmm.
          Life is either an adventure... or you're not doing it right!!!

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          • #6
            Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

            Originally posted by craigwatanabe
            Here's your typical state worker:

            Male
            Works as a engineer for the Board of Water Supply
            Isn't the Board of Water Supply more along the lines of being at the county level as opposed to being at the state level?

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            • #7
              Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

              Originally posted by helen
              Isn't the Board of Water Supply more along the lines of being at the county level as opposed to being at the state level?
              Actually, the issue does get kind of clouded, especially when one of the Board of Water Supply’s spokesman is a former state legislator! (You media types know who I mean)

              We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

              — U.S. President Bill Clinton
              USA TODAY, page 2A
              11 March 1993

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              • #8
                Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                Originally posted by kamuelakea
                How do you define "Local" again Muilang??

                Hmmmmmmmm...
                Anyone BORN in Hawai'i and who has spent a portion of their life in Hawai'i I consider a local. I only posted that article as a point of curiosity. I don't necessarily support either side.

                What's happening is a lot of local families are telling their kids to come up here to school for more opportunities, and some highly educated local kids who studied at the UH or HPU or BYU are realizing that they will never be as successful as they could be financially unless they move up here, so the reason why a lot of those specialized jobs that require certain skill sets go unfilled is because Hawai'i either isn't producing the caliber of qualified applicants necessary or the really qualified candidates are leaving Hawai'i. Either way, it's sad that that "booming economy" of Hawai'i will probably only be sustained so long as there is a housing boom and the tourists keep arriving.

                Miulang
                "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                  My state worker friends tell me that the residency requirement puts a severe crimp in their hiring ability. For some technical positions there just aren't that many qualified applicants locally, especially not at the pay scale the state offers. Hey all you brain drain expat whiners, if you're so hot to come back home, then move back and grab some of them hard-to-fill state jobs.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                    Originally posted by craigwatanabe
                    Here's your typical state worker:

                    Female
                    Works as a clerk or DOE school teacher
                    Drives Honda Prelude or Acura Legend
                    Lives in Pearl City
                    Last name is Yamamoto (no relation to the Yamamoto's in Maui)
                    Watches KHON evening news diligently
                    Has Costco membership
                    Ethnicity? Japanese, Chinese or Filipino
                    Kids Education? Private school

                    Male
                    Works as a engineer for the Board of Water Supply
                    Drives Toyota 4x4 with lift kit Ulua decal on back window
                    Lives in Pearl City with his wife's parents
                    Last name is Yamamoto and has a golf membership to Pearl Country Club
                    Watches Wheel of Fortune after the KHON 2 evening news
                    Has Marukai membership for the Miso Butterfish tubs
                    Ethnicity? Pure Japanese but thinks he's Okinawan
                    Kid's Education? Whatever Honey wants is good enough for him as long as they sell Zippy's chili fundraising tickets.

                    To be a male state worker you gotta: Play golf, fish, hunt pig/Muflon/Erkles, gamble 6/5 sheets, buy $1000 of illegal fireworks from a co-worker's car trunk at lunchtime in the parking lot, be a coach for your kid's little league team, oh and the lastest male state worker thing to do...download pornographic material on a state-owned computer thinking that would look cool as your screensaver while you're spending 2-hours out on your 45-minute lunch break buying illegal fireworks or fresh Opelu from your co-worker's brother's white Igloo ice chest in HIS Toyota 4x4 pickup truck.

                    To be a female state worker you gotta: Know how to do arts and crafts in the office breakroom, clip coupons for Long's drugs Wednesday sales, crack chewing gum while talking on the phone for hours while filing your nails without making too much noise with your Hawaiian heirloom gold bracelets, and organize a killer potluck after the kids Saturday Little League baseball game.

                    If you cannot do that you're not gonna make a good state worker so you may as well not apply Oh yeah and if you don't know a safety check station that will give you the sticker to put on when you get home (despite that cracked left turn lens on your car)...sorry no can be one state worker.
                    Too Funny! You hit it right on the head.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                      Originally posted by Miulang
                      Anyone BORN in Hawai'i and who has spent a portion of their life in Hawai'i I consider a local.

                      Miulang
                      So just because I was born on Guam, I’m not local, even though I spent nearly my entire life here? And even though my parents were born and raised in the Islands? Auwe no ho‘i.

                      We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

                      — U.S. President Bill Clinton
                      USA TODAY, page 2A
                      11 March 1993

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                        Originally posted by TuNnL
                        So just because I was born on Guam, I’m not local, even though I spent nearly my entire life here? And even though my parents were born and raised in the Islands? Auwe no ho‘i.
                        I wondered that same thing. If the parents are (non-Hawaiian) immigrants, and have baby and the baby grows up here, then that child is "local" .... but, if a Hawaiian couple is living on the mainland and has a baby, then the family returns to Hawaii where the child grows up, that child is never going to be "local" even though he grows up in Hawaii with Hawaiian koko, Kamehamaha Schooling, Hawaiian Homes land and all??

                        I don't know about that!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                          Originally posted by SouthKona
                          I don't know about that!
                          Ahhh you should never admit that you "don't know about that" because that's an admission of lack of understanding. Technically you're saying that you don't have an understanding of the arguement and have conceded to your adversary.

                          Whenever I lecture my kids and they question me by saying, "Well I don't know about that" I quickly respond, "That's right you don't so listen to me"

                          Just a little tactic used in argumentation and debate to make your opponent concede defeat on a technicality. Hey you tell the officials, "Don't look at me he conceded...I win this round!"


                          Right Glen?
                          Life is what you make of it...so please read the instructions carefully.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                            Originally posted by craigwatanabe
                            Ahhh you should never admit that you "don't know about that" because that's an admission of lack of understanding. Technically you're saying that you don't have an understanding of the arguement and have conceded to your adversary.

                            Whenever I lecture my kids and they question me by saying, "Well I don't know about that" I quickly respond, "That's right you don't so listen to me"

                            Just a little tactic used in argumentation and debate to make your opponent concede defeat on a technicality. Hey you tell the officials, "Don't look at me he conceded...I win this round!"

                            Right Glen?
                            Oh, I don't know about that.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hiring out of state people for County jobs

                              Originally posted by Glen Miyashiro
                              Oh, I don't know about that.
                              Glen and I join the other 530,000 pages on Google who "don't know about that".

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